Asshat award to MVT

[Gryffyn]

Brazilian shot eight times by UK police, ITV report


17.08.05 1.00pm


LONDON - The fate of a Brazilian electrician shot dead by British police was sealed the moment he was wrongly identified in a bungled surveillance operation as a possible suicide bomber, British Television programme ITV News said.

ITV News obtained what it said were secret documents and photographs from the shooting on July 22 of Jean Charles de Menezes, killed the day after four would-be bombers failed in attacks on London's transport system.

CCTV footage and eyewitness accounts cited by ITV News showed that the Brazilian was not wearing a padded jacket and walked calmly through the underground station barriers -- contrary to initial reports that he was running and had a bulky jacket that could have concealed a bomb.

Firearms officers had been given clearance to kill de Menezes but, as they sped towards the underground railway station, he apparently seemed completely unaware that he was being tailed, ITV News said.

According to witness accounts and statements made by police officers involved, de Menezes boarded the train and was restrained by a surveillance officer before he was shot eight times.

ITV News said there was a catastrophic failure in the surveillance operation when officers wrongly believed de Menezes could have been one of the failed bombers.

The failed July 21 attacks came two weeks after four British Muslim suicide bombers killed 52 people in attacks on three London trains and a bus.

Police declined to comment on the ITV report while the mistaken killing is still being investigated.

[Gryffyn]

While most posters reserved judgement and expressed sympathy MVT again showed his bias, lack of empathy and all-round ass-hat'dness.

[Packersoldkidney]

But surely he's guilty because they shot him?

I hope this doesn't mean those nice policemen will be in trouble: unthinkable! They should be given bravery awards, after what they've been through!

[donner]

Would I get an award if I shot MVT? I know you all want to.

[duncan macgregor]

I have a degree of sympathy for the police in this case having myself been indoctrinated with the bull**** from Queen and country.
I did however fire to miss, then went through all sorts of self incriminations about letting the side down, and all that guff. I thank my god that i was brought up with a brain that rejected the crap that was thrust upon me at that time in the past. It is very easy to point the finger, but the people that murdered this poor man are victims like i was. TO The people that scoff and sneer allow me to show you some of the other methods of killing people that we were taught it will make great entertainment for the ignorant masses. To MVT you are all bulldust allow me to introduce myself sometime to show you where you are wrong . Your old Buddy MACDUNK

[Gryffyn]

Dunc et al. I'm reserving judegment on the shooters for the time being. If it turns out they were grossly misinformed and ordered to do what they did, then I have some sympathy for them. One has to consider the situation and their position afterall.

If on the otherhand it turns out to be a case of gung-ho hard-arrest and extremely poor decision making then I hope that they are duly dealt with.

At the end of the day an innocent - and probably blameless - man lost his life. Best to hope for now is that the cops learn something.

The alternative is to be an asshat like MVT. Liberal with the truth, a coward, and hopeless with facts.

[duncan macgregor]

GRYFFYN, I hear what you say gryf we are all innocents some more brainwashed than others. Incidentely we will never learn unless we fight against it Macdunk

[Gryffyn]

Yes, yes, and yes :-)

[Capitalist]

Is it not an honour to have a dedicated thread - no matter what? We have had C9, me, Duncan, Rocking, now MTV. What was it Oscar Wilde said about being talked about? ;)

[duncan macgregor]

CAP. Bring it round cap please and shoot me dead but never allow my ego to surpass my humanity. i am deeply ashamed of where i have been i make excuses of what was expected of me like thousands in my position but then i missed the whole bloody lot beat their champion in a boxing ring then told to be one of them or back inside. My mind boggles i only vote the bastards out. macdunk

[duncan macgregor]

ROCKING, No worries mate a quick smack on the ear will make you understand right from wrong.Keep it coming i like your wit. macdunk

[dingdong]

It is unfortunate that the Franco-Prussian major doesn't recognise this great honour. Or what his doctor looks like. Or which tablets to take after lunch. Or which cavity to attach the colostomy bag.

[Gryffyn]

quote:Originally posted by Capitalist

Is it not an honour to have a dedicated thread - no matter what? We have had C9, me, Duncan, Rocking, now MTV. What was it Oscar Wilde said about being talked about? ;)

Simple answer, no.

[Gryffyn]

Some of yours may well fall into that category but this most ass-suradly does not.

[Longtack]

Anyone remember Blair Peach - the NZ'er who was beaten to death by London's finest a couple of decades ago? I hope Justice isn't holding her breath on this one.

[Gryffyn]

Strange, the major doesn't seem to have shown up to collect his award.

[Placebo]

What if we were to upgrade it to a military parade with artillery salute and formation flypast? Would that entice you, Major?

[duncan macgregor]

ROCKING, I dont like to show my ignorance to ABDAB but do camels eat pens?. macdunk

[Halebop]

That's gotta hurt! The pen truly is mightier than the... dung?

[dingdong]

I have not used that pen again.

[Halebop]

quote:Originally posted by Abdab

I have not used that pen again.


Go on! Who can resist a <s>slimey</s> shiney pen when they find it on the ground?

[dingdong]

It was a gold and onyx fountain pen and therefore pretty worthless.

[dingdong]

O Rocking I am indeed unworthy. The prophets, deities, trolls and schizophrenics that frequent this site are far more worthy than I.

[Halebop]

quote:Originally posted by Abdab

It was a gold and onyx fountain pen and therefore pretty worthless.


So Onyx isn't worth it's weight in gold then? Or it is and is that the problem?

[Halebop]

I'm a prophetic troll deified by schizophrenics.

[dingdong]

quote:Originally posted by Halebop

I'm a prophetic troll deified by schizophrenics.


I am therefore most unworthy of thou, O Hale of the Marys.

[Halebop]

quote:Originally posted by Abdab

I am therefore most unworthy of thou, O Hale of the Marys.


Thank you. I graciously accept your obeisance in a manner befitting my station. Which is to say Drunkenly and greedily, with a liberal serving of narcism and just a little lechery to boot.

[Halebop]

But here we have steered away from the seriousness of the occassion: The Asshat Awards. Is this a nomination or a prize giving? I only attend prize givings. No free stuff beyond a carafe of water at nominations.

[dingdong]

quote:Originally posted by Halebop

[quote]Thank you. I graciously accept your obeisance in a manner befitting my station. Which is to say Drunkenly and greedily, with a liberal serving of narcism and just a little lechery to boot.


It is a worthy honour to fuel your ego, O Hale of the Stones. May I unworthily suggest the venue for the Asshat award prizegiving be at MVT's rest home.

[Capitalist]

You know, this forum is one of the best reads on the internet, especially the OT board.

The personalities are all pretty smart, funny, and diverse, which you don't get in very many places.

[duncan macgregor]

Cap get real, Do camels **** pens or not that is the question. macdunk

[rmbbrave]

MTV is uniquely qualified to get any award for stupidity.

Mistake 1 - Believing hook line and sinker the propaganda that governments spew forth trying to cover their fat arsses.


quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

Item: de M's family, state de M has been in England for 3 years and "that he understood English well'. They also allege, incomprehensibly, that he was "intelligent".
Item: One or 2 days after the 2nd wave of suicide bombings, de M leaves a building under police surveillance for connections to the terrorists. Very strangely, given that its mid-summer and 25 to 30 degrees celsius, he's wearing a thick padded overcoat. (Of the type that suicide bombers in Israel wear with an explosives belt).He is hailed by the Police and ordered to stop. (Remember he is alleged to understand English and to be intelligent). Instead he ignores the Police and bolts. Instead of bolting into a loo and locking the door, or into a maze of alleyways or into a bushy park, he bolts onto a crowded underground train, a suicide bomber's target.
Item: Understandably he is then shot in the head by the Police before he can detonate his suicide bomb. Shooting in the head prevents dying
reflex twitches to detonate bombs.

I consider he is supremely well qualified for the Darwin Award, by removing himself from the human gene pool he has raised the IQ and gene level of the remaining people.
Rather than his relatives being rewarded by a grant of several hundred thousand pounds for breeding such a supreme idiot they should be fined several hundred thousand pounds, have their tubes tied and their testes snipped.





Mistake 2 - Pretending to be an authority on things he knows nothing about.



quote:Originally posted by rmbbrave



MTV's brilliant analysis of democracy in the Middle East.

Don't forget MTV recently said Chomsky wasn't qualified to talk about politics only linguistics.

Let's hope the "qualified econonist" knows more about economics than he does about politics.

[quote]quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

Yeah, you left wing ratbags are going to be flailing even more futilely once a majority Shia government is elected and steadily takes over completely the security function in Iraq.
Leaves Syria in an interesting position: to the north democratic secular EU membership approaching Turkey, to the northwest sort of democratic Lebanon secular/christian/moderate Islam but run as an occupied Syrian colony by huge Syrian military occupying forces (anyone ever heard any of the lefties on this board protest against the Syrian occupying forces in Lebanon? No. But the UN protests once a year and is ignored). To the east Shia/Kurdish dominated fledgling
democracy Iraq. To the south democratic Western leaning Israel; also to the south democratic Western leaning Jordan.
Leaves foaming at the mouth left wing socialist Syria sort of isolated a bit doesn't it? Maybe it's all a grand conspiracy against Syria, you could try that tack. Democracy will be a dangerous contagion once it gets loose in the Middle East, they could all topple like dominoes, Saudi Arabia, Syria, uncle Tom Cobbley and all.


It seems your knowledge of the "fledgling democracy" in Iraq is as bad as your knowledge of democracy in the Middle East.

Iraq is not a "fledgling democracy". It is an American occupied territory on the verge of civil war. Freedomhouse rates Lebanon as "not free", Jordan as "partly free" but you reckon they are bo

[Halebop]

Oh come now RMBB! Demeaning MVT's character and intellect presents little in the way of sport or fairness. The serious questions pertain to pens and dung and deifying (which is not to be confused with dieting, especially at my table).

If this thread is for nominations then I nominate myself on two grounds:

(1) All news is good news
(2) I'd like to own a hat that looked like an @rse. That would be funny.
(2a Subsection i) A head that looked like an @rse would also be funny but only on someone else.

If this thread is for a prize giving then I demand a recount! Failure to satisfy will result in litigation! ...or another glass of that fine port, whichever is closest.

[duncan macgregor]

C-MON you guys loosen up MVT is a nice enough fellow its just that i have no bloody time for him. [That is Macdunk being nice as always]. macdunk

[Capitalist]

quote:Originally posted by rocking


quote:Originally posted by Capitalist

You know, this forum is one of the best reads on the internet, especially the OT board.

The personalities are all pretty smart, funny, and diverse, which you don't get in very many places.


That's not you, Cap? Please deny it.


Ha! Thanks for the compliment - I will take it as such, anyway ;).

Agree with Halebop and Duncan - lighten up! Mr Brave seems to have an unhappy regard for the opinions of anonymous internet chat room participants. Who cares what any of us think? No-one with any sense.

Every one of us is just echoing within our own silos, and 99% realise that.

[Capitalist]

Que? I have never cared what others here think of me - if I did I would have left long ago - or been banned :D:D:D But I will not tolerate sexual harrassment, and neither will Admin.

[dingdong]

Perhaps The Almighty One meant Abdadmin.

[donner]

Vagina.

[icehot]

So sad. So so sad. Turning a tragedy into a farce.

[duncan macgregor]

RMBBRAVE, MISTAKE 4 your statement on hornophobia is wrong. Any hornophobiac has a very limited edition brain. How dare you liken this person with my old mate ROCKING who obviousely has a brain [somewhere]and luvs animals. The question is now raised on the ability of hornophobiacs to think straight which raises the question of my mate rocky defending his IQ. Helping out as always macdunk

[donner]

Labia

[Longtack]

Jeezuz - Donger you can be a vulgar creep.

[donner]

Majora and Minora. However, lets be balanced with this discussion.

Penis. Testicles.

Who among you feels harrassed?

[donner]

quote:Originally posted by rocking

Loose lips sink..

.. major .. incorporations.




Precisely. Look at the poor chap from Boeing. A director if I recall correctly. Ensnared by a cold, ruthless, calculating vixen who used sex as a tool to entrap in order to secure promotion, salary increase and job security. Yet when the boss men found out, no, when it became public, he lost his shirt and she ditched him. Reading an article on that in one of the American papers at the time, which painted her up as Machiavellian. She had even had people fired on spurious sexual harassment charges before. He was painted up as having misused his position of authority to encourage things.

Didn't bring down the corporation but brought down the stock price on the day as well as him.

But one wonders, just who was the victim.

[donner]

Hooters.

[Major von Tempsky]

How's it going in the sandpit kiddies?
Don't get too dirty you may have to go out later.

[Gryffyn]

Look the major showed up to collect his assward. following the news MVT, feeling even a little bit stupid or sorry about your commentes yet?

[Major von Tempsky]

Hmmm, by my records a short pithy reply by MvT increased the readership count on this strand by about 20% - from its previous 743. That's a lot more than can be attributed to any other contributor. Roll up here for the Major's endorsement and vastly increase your readership levels.
If this strand is mainly/solely about de Menezes then the answers are self evident as I have already pointed out on the Lange strand to the more attentive readers with more catholic interests.
To recap briefly I was using only the publicly available information available the day after the shooting. At that time the information was (a) de Menezes emerged from a building being watched by the police because of associations with the bombers (b) he refused to stop when hailed by the police and ran away (c) he was wearing a heavy padded overcoat of the type worn in Gaza to conceal a suicide bomb belt on a hot day (d) he threw himself/tripped (there were 2 different versions at the time) onto a packed underground train. (e) police then shot him through the head to prevent him detonating a device - shooting through the head stops reflex actions.
There are 3 more things you should consider (1) an employee of the investigation has been sacked for selectively leaking selective tidbits....which may or may not be accurate or balanced (2) the Report has not yet come out. (3) the hyena's chorus is conveniently assuming that everything that has emerged since Day 1 is true(?) and that everyone should have known it on Day 1. Not so.
Naturally I'm sorry that an innocent man has been shot but I'm holding my fire until I see the Report. My inclination is still to believe that police reports are true until proved otherwise rather than the tenor here which would have one believe that all police reports are automatically untrue, or at least highly suspicious. Nonsense. How can you have a functioning democracy if everyone is automatically anti police. Don't forget to credit the police/security forces for stopping the Al Qaeda planned nerve gas attack (remember the high casualty sarin gas attack in Japan?) on Parliament and the underground before you burst into another tirade of anti-police abuse.

[Gryffyn]

quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

Hmmm, by my records a short pithy reply by MvT increased the readership count on this strand by about 20% - from its previous 743. That's a lot more than can be attributed to any other contributor. Roll up here for the Major's endorsement and vastly increase your readership levels.
If this strand is mainly/solely about de Menezes then the answers are self evident as I have already pointed out on the Lange strand to the more attentive readers with more catholic interests.
To recap briefly I was using only the publicly available information available the day after the shooting. At that time the information was (a) de Menezes emerged from a building being watched by the police because of associations with the bombers (b) he refused to stop when hailed by the police and ran away (c) he was wearing a heavy padded overcoat of the type worn in Gaza to conceal a suicide bomb belt on a hot day (d) he threw himself/tripped (there were 2 different versions at the time) onto a packed underground train. (e) police then shot him through the head to prevent him detonating a device - shooting through the head stops reflex actions.
There are 3 more things you should consider (1) an employee of the investigation has been sacked for selectively leaking selective tidbits....which may or may not be accurate or balanced (2) the Report has not yet come out. (3) the hyena's chorus is conveniently assuming that everything that has emerged since Day 1 is true(?) and that everyone should have known it on Day 1. Not so.
Naturally I'm sorry that an innocent man has been shot but I'm holding my fire until I see the Report. My inclination is still to believe that police reports are true until proved otherwise rather than the tenor here which would have one believe that all police reports are automatically untrue, or at least highly suspicious. Nonsense. How can you have a functioning democracy if everyone is automatically anti police. Don't forget to credit the police/security forces for stopping the Al Qaeda planned nerve gas attack (remember the high casualty sarin gas attack in Japan?) on Parliament and the underground before you burst into another tirade of anti-police abuse.

Never anti police. Judgement reserved. You are the one who rushes to post crap based on the first utterence of authority. Now you are back tracking but everyone has read your drivel so good luck.

Straw man arguements again. Arguing against things that no-one has ever said. Anti police??? Where? Didn't sound that sorry about an innocent mans life a few posts back. Loser but well-done for taking the assard again.

[Halebop]

MVT your excuses and posturing bear no relationship to the original offending post. I can't remember any anti police sentiment. I can remember thinking you were out of line. I suggest you quit while you've only attracted a single lampooning thread.

[Placebo]

For those of you who have just joined us, here is the original post in all its glory: Note the lack of attribution, that all the statements are rendered as fact, not this information had been alleged by police. Hook line and sinker, eh major [:o)]


quote:Item: de M's family, state de M has been in England for 3 years and "that he understood English well'. They also allege, incomprehensibly, that he was "intelligent".
Item: One or 2 days after the 2nd wave of suicide bombings, de M leaves a building under police surveillance for connections to the terrorists. Very strangely, given that its mid-summer and 25 to 30 degrees celsius, he's wearing a thick padded overcoat. (Of the type that suicide bombers in Israel wear with an explosives belt).He is hailed by the Police and ordered to stop. (Remember he is alleged to understand English and to be intelligent). Instead he ignores the Police and bolts. Instead of bolting into a loo and locking the door, or into a maze of alleyways or into a bushy park, he bolts onto a crowded underground train, a suicide bomber's target.
Item: Understandably he is then shot in the head by the Police before he can detonate his suicide bomb. Shooting in the head prevents dying
reflex twitches to detonate bombs.

I consider he is supremely well qualified for the Darwin Award, by removing himself from the human gene pool he has raised the IQ and gene level of the remaining people.
Rather than his relatives being rewarded by a grant of several hundred thousand pounds for breeding such a supreme idiot they should be fined several hundred thousand pounds, have their tubes tied and their testes snipped.


From day 1 this story stank. Shot 7 times IN THE HEAD at close range while being restrained AND on a packed train. Trigger-happy gung-ho coppers out for revenge. Even Steven Wallace got a fairer deal than this poor bloke.

[rmbbrave]

Do you trust the police?

Do you trust the govt.?

Do you trust the state?

Do you trust the IRD?

All stupid questions. All of these organisations are merely collects of individuals.

Better questions would be...

How much do you trust Michael XXXXX (a friend of mine who became a copper)?

How much do you trust Helen Clark?

How much do you trust Gina XXXXX ( a friend of mine who works for MFAT)?

How much do you trust Brian XXXXX ( a dikkhead at the IRD who fukked up and nearly cost me $5000 when I was a student)?

In my case the answer to all these questions is :

About as much as I trust the average person, ie, not much. Except for Brian who I don't trust at all.

Wait it gets worse! Organisations have a tendency to protect their members, especially against outsiders, so that even a poor decision made by an inexperienced individual is difficult for an outsider to overturn.

When asked "Do you trust (organization)?" think of an individual within that organzation and ask yourself how much do you trust him/her.

[Gryffyn]

MVTs MO:

Post a bunch of postering crap. Frequently factually challenged.

Wait for responses of all natures, reasoned and unreasoned.

Put up straw man arguements and attempt to refute points that haven't been made or distort those that have.

Fail to support original position and look like the lying turd he is.

Collect asshat award.

[marcer]

Don't worry Gryff...

When the "independent" inquiry (probably similar to the Hutton inquiry which whitewashed Blair and Iraq) is released, MVT will have some wonderful "unbiased and objective" evidence to point out how wrong we all are, and how right he is.

It's pretty ironic really, as I'm sure MVT found a few of the NZ Labour party inquiries that cleared various ministers pretty fishy...

...and yet I am reasonably sure he will not doubt one bit an inquiry that exonerates the British police in this case.

As I mentioned in another thread, perhaps he is a direct descendant of the Von Tempsky of the NZ Land Wars era. The attitude and manner seems pretty similar according to most of the history books I've read.

[Gryffyn]

Even if it came out that nearly everything originally posted by the asshat MVT was true - and it's fairly certain that isn't likely - then his sheer callous disregard for an innocent life and the family are just beyond belief.

[HarryFlashman]

Noone here has mentioned the explanation I heard for the brainy Brazilian's mad dash for freedom ... he was an overstayer with a visa that was 2 yrs out of date. Clearly not keen to return to Rio. In the circumstances I think I might have risked deportation rather than be repeatedly shot through the head.

Selective leaking of information and misinformation is a regrettable fact of life today and even more regrettable is the fact that so many apparently well-educated people rush to believe the worst about the police and others who are trying to defend them against vicious, unprincipled and psychopathic extremists.

I am very sorry for the brainy Brazilian but he contributed to his own demise. I also feel sorry for the police who had to take a life-or-death decision in split seconds, without the time for weeks of hand-wringing deliberation, unaided by action replays, and then face the wrath of the leftist anti-police rabble.

As for the Hutton enquiry - wasn't it clearly proven that the professor bloke was driven to suicide by the pressure put on him by the bloated, slimy and repulsive BBC journalist who was so keen to distort and embroider his evidence?

Major - as you say your comments were based on the facts as known at the time. The fact that the lefty propaganda mill has been given some grist by leaked info is unfortunate but let's wait to see all the facts.

Cheers
Col Harry Flashman (Retired) _

[Gryffyn]

quote:Originally posted by HarryFlashman

Noone here has mentioned the explanation I heard for the brainy Brazilian's mad dash for freedom ... he was an overstayer with a visa that was 2 yrs out of date. Clearly not keen to return to Rio. In the circumstances I think I might have risked deportation rather than be repeatedly shot through the head.

Selective leaking of information and misinformation is a regrettable fact of life today and even more regrettable is the fact that so many apparently well-educated people rush to believe the worst about the police and others who are trying to defend them against vicious, unprincipled and psychopathic extremists.

I am very sorry for the brainy Brazilian but he contributed to his own demise. I also feel sorry for the police who had to take a life-or-death decision in split seconds, without the time for weeks of hand-wringing deliberation, unaided by action replays, and then face the wrath of the leftist anti-police rabble.

As for the Hutton enquiry - wasn't it clearly proven that the professor bloke was driven to suicide by the pressure put on him by the bloated, slimy and repulsive BBC journalist who was so keen to distort and embroider his evidence?

Major - as you say your comments were based on the facts as known at the time. The fact that the lefty propaganda mill has been given some grist by leaked info is unfortunate but let's wait to see all the facts.

Cheers
Col Harry Flashman (Retired) _

You say lets wait to hear the facts but are already accepting the first version out and making fun of an innocent dead man. Nice.

The latest info has come from the Times - very conservative, and recent criticism of the handling and released info from Portillo - an arch-conservative. The looney left doesn't need any help if the authorities keep acting like this.

Good to see Flashman outing himself and lining up for an Asshat award though. Keep em coming.

[duncan macgregor]

What most people fail to comprehend is the level of lies and propaganda that we in all innocence take on as fact. Mvt is at one end beleiving most of the propaganda, with me at the other, probabely equally as wrong, beleiving its all crap. Why the difference is our upbringing, or perhaps it might be that i have seen first hand and been involved in these situations, and MVT has not. Its like reds under the bed, or weapons of mass destruction, or first men on the moon. Makes me think oh yea. When you see at first hand the lies that get told, it makes you think twice about jumping to conclusions. MVT only says what he thinks right or wrong, i do in similar fashion, its our background experience that seperate our thinking. Keep the posts coming MVT strong views are keeping us all thinking. macdunk

[donner]

quote:Originally posted by Gryffyn


quote:Originally posted by HarryFlashman

Noone here has mentioned the explanation I heard for the brainy Brazilian's mad dash for freedom ... he was an overstayer with a visa that was 2 yrs out of date. Clearly not keen to return to Rio. In the circumstances I think I might have risked deportation rather than be repeatedly shot through the head.

Selective leaking of information and misinformation is a regrettable fact of life today and even more regrettable is the fact that so many apparently well-educated people rush to believe the worst about the police and others who are trying to defend them against vicious, unprincipled and psychopathic extremists.

I am very sorry for the brainy Brazilian but he contributed to his own demise. I also feel sorry for the police who had to take a life-or-death decision in split seconds, without the time for weeks of hand-wringing deliberation, unaided by action replays, and then face the wrath of the leftist anti-police rabble.

As for the Hutton enquiry - wasn't it clearly proven that the professor bloke was driven to suicide by the pressure put on him by the bloated, slimy and repulsive BBC journalist who was so keen to distort and embroider his evidence?

Major - as you say your comments were based on the facts as known at the time. The fact that the lefty propaganda mill has been given some grist by leaked info is unfortunate but let's wait to see all the facts.

Cheers
Col Harry Flashman (Retired) _

You say lets wait to hear the facts but are already accepting the first version out and making fun of an innocent dead man. Nice.

The latest info has come from the Times - very conservative, and recent criticism of the handling and released info from Portillo - an arch-conservative. The looney left doesn't need any help if the authorities keep acting like this.

Good to see Flashman outing himself and lining up for an Asshat award though. Keep em coming.


Gryff, Hazza is none other than Capitalist. The one who coined the phrase. Hence the support. Only she's too gutless to post under her real name anymore. But lo and behold if you sexually harrass her.
Bwahahahaha.

*****! Vagina! Labia!

[HarryFlashman]

Donner

I can assure you I am NOT Capitalist .. not that I am especially (or at all) insulted by your claim. There are still a few right-thinking and right-leaning people posting on this site and managing to ignore the rantings of Belg and his ilk.

As regards the Brazilian - I am not jumping to conclusions just pointing out that the poor sod did have a reason to flee when challenged by the cops. His death is a tragedy and I am really sickened by the fact it has been seized upon as an opportunity to beat up on the police who have a tough enough job.

I have no faith in The Times which gets more and more like a more expensive version of The Sun as the years go by.

And as for Portillo ... the fact that he is now an ex-politicoian doesn't make him any more credible.

Cheers
Hazza

[Gryffyn]

Harry F man, my point was that if you're not jumnping to conclusions (good) then why are you repeating the in-question statements that he fled? One report has it that this is not so. I'm also waiting for more info.
You may be right about some aspects of beat-up but at the same time we require high standards from the people we pay to protect us and if it seems that a hard arrest policy is in operation and possibly badlt managed then we have a right and a duty to demand clear and open answers over an innocent death.

[Gryffyn]

yes

[Gryffyn]

He'll be back.

[duncan macgregor]

MVT at least you dont come back like a spoilt brat like some of your fans. It is normal to be wrong sometimes. iI i think long and hard I might think of being wrong myself about something. Give me a hard time when i get it wrong, but say what you think when you think it.
Look forward to combat in the future perhaps one day we might both get it wrong at the same time. macdunk

[duncan macgregor]

One finger or two ROCKY ONE. macdunk

[duncan macgregor]

Us old timers it was always two now a days it seems one suffices. Where do you stand on this Rock SHOW YOUR AGE MAN. macdunk

[rmbbrave]

MTV is uniquely qualified to get any award for stupidity.

Mistake 1 - Believing hook line and sinker the propaganda that governments spew forth trying to cover their fat arsses.


quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

Item: de M's family, state de M has been in England for 3 years and "that he understood English well'. They also allege, incomprehensibly, that he was "intelligent".
Item: One or 2 days after the 2nd wave of suicide bombings, de M leaves a building under police surveillance for connections to the terrorists. Very strangely, given that its mid-summer and 25 to 30 degrees celsius, he's wearing a thick padded overcoat. (Of the type that suicide bombers in Israel wear with an explosives belt).He is hailed by the Police and ordered to stop. (Remember he is alleged to understand English and to be intelligent). Instead he ignores the Police and bolts. Instead of bolting into a loo and locking the door, or into a maze of alleyways or into a bushy park, he bolts onto a crowded underground train, a suicide bomber's target.
Item: Understandably he is then shot in the head by the Police before he can detonate his suicide bomb. Shooting in the head prevents dying
reflex twitches to detonate bombs.

I consider he is supremely well qualified for the Darwin Award, by removing himself from the human gene pool he has raised the IQ and gene level of the remaining people.
Rather than his relatives being rewarded by a grant of several hundred thousand pounds for breeding such a supreme idiot they should be fined several hundred thousand pounds, have their tubes tied and their testes snipped.





Mistake 2 - Pretending to be an authority on things he knows nothing about.



quote:Originally posted by rmbbrave



MTV's brilliant analysis of democracy in the Middle East.

Don't forget MTV recently said Chomsky wasn't qualified to talk about politics only linguistics.

Let's hope the "qualified econonist" knows more about economics than he does about politics.

[quote]quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

Yeah, you left wing ratbags are going to be flailing even more futilely once a majority Shia government is elected and steadily takes over completely the security function in Iraq.
Leaves Syria in an interesting position: to the north democratic secular EU membership approaching Turkey, to the northwest sort of democratic Lebanon secular/christian/moderate Islam but run as an occupied Syrian colony by huge Syrian military occupying forces (anyone ever heard any of the lefties on this board protest against the Syrian occupying forces in Lebanon? No. But the UN protests once a year and is ignored). To the east Shia/Kurdish dominated fledgling
democracy Iraq. To the south democratic Western leaning Israel; also to the south democratic Western leaning Jordan.
Leaves foaming at the mouth left wing socialist Syria sort of isolated a bit doesn't it? Maybe it's all a grand conspiracy against Syria, you could try that tack. Democracy will be a dangerous contagion once it gets loose in the Middle East, they could all topple like dominoes, Saudi Arabia, Syria, uncle Tom Cobbley and all.


It seems your knowledge of the "fledgling democracy" in Iraq is as bad as your knowledge of democracy in the Middle East.

Iraq is not a "fledgling democracy". It is an American occupied territory on the verge of civil war. Freedomhouse rates Lebanon as "not free", Jordan as "partly free" but you reckon they are bo

[duncan macgregor]

I take it you dont like the major then. macdunk

[Major von Tempsky]

Get a life MBBRAVE (you'll need to be after Saturday) I can't be bothered reading all your left wing dribble but one item caught my eye which is fairly typical of your shallow and superficial analysis.
Nowhere did I say that the weekly TV audience for rugby in Japan was 70 million, you put those words in my mouth which is typical of the left wing approach.
What I said, if you care to read what people actually say, was that there was a TV audience for the yearly rugby final in Japan which was a piece of info that appeared in the Press last year.
Enjoy National's 6% lead. It would something like 90% plus over the wayout lefties like yourself.
I have more interesting things to do than bandy words with a moron like you e.g. investing the $221,000 cheque I received today.
No, I'm not interested in donating it to George Galloway, Nandor Tanczos, Tariana Turia.

[rmbbrave]

quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky


Nowhere did I say that the weekly TV audience for rugby in Japan was 70 million, you put those words in my mouth which is typical of the left wing approach.



That's quite right for a change MTV. What you said was 70 million people watch one match, on one day...

"70 million people in Japan watch the Japanese rugby final on TV."

... which makes you the Moron.

[rmbbrave]

quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

Get a life MBBRAVE (you'll need to be after Saturday) I can't be bothered reading all your left wing dribble but one item caught my eye which is fairly typical of your shallow and superficial analysis.
Nowhere did I say that the weekly TV audience for rugby in Japan was 70 million, you put those words in my mouth which is typical of the left wing approach.
What I said, if you care to read what people actually say, was that there was a TV audience for the yearly rugby final in Japan which was a piece of info that appeared in the Press last year.
Enjoy National's 6% lead. It would something like 90% plus over the wayout lefties like yourself.
I have more interesting things to do than bandy words with a moron like you e.g. investing the $221,000 cheque I received today.
No, I'm not interested in donating it to George Galloway, Nandor Tanczos, Tariana Turia.



I personally don't care who wins this election - it will make very little difference to my life. In fact I have a bet on both Clark and Brash at odds such that whoever wins I make money.

I have said before a number of times that I never vote for the Govt. and that I believe a regular change of Govt. is best for democracy.

I personally predict a National win because they have better bribes and United future and NZ first have said they will back the big party with the most votes.

[Gryffyn]

Don't worry RMB - facts and MVt live in different universes.

[rmbbrave]

Mistake - 7

Prostrate

http://www.knom.org/july2001/prostrate.jpg

Prostate

http://www.liv.ac.uk/researchintelligence/issue21/images/prostate.jpg

[Halebop]

I think the guy in the 1st image has passed out from the pain in his prostate. Either that or god really does have a sense of humour.

[rocket science fiction]

i thought testicle was spelt testickle:D

[Capitalist]

Pleased you admit you are a male dude. After all you tried to convince me you were a woman for long enough :D:D:D

You never fooled me though.

[duncan macgregor]

I thought that in this politicaly correct era you could shout from the rooftops to being a bit of both.

[Capitalist]

It's called a metrosexual Dunk. A male who is young, rich,lives in the city, and spends a lot of money on himself.

None of which applies to my stalker.

PS Except for the male part. Ask him how he pretended to be a woman to GB. :D:D:D

[Major von Tempsky]

Oh no, even worse news than the election, Rocking is back.
But perhaps October 1 will offer some good news on the political front.
50 seats each and there will be a lot of left wing politicians having to hastily eat their words.
Can't really see anything from Gryffyn or MBBrave that is worth a reply.
What amazes me is the fringe of left wing lunatics, Belge, MBBrave, Gryffyn,....that haunt an investment forum of all places. Their proportion of the population of the political spectrum of ShareTrader must be about .0001% yet they still persist.
Did they lose their way to the ravingleftwingloonies.discussionforum.com
website?

[rmbbrave]

Poor MTV,

Still living in a one dimensional world of left and right political philosopy - at least that would explain why your thought processes are full of holes and why your conclusions are so often wrong.

The Nolan Chart, which purports to render obsolete the simple left vs. right political taxonomy by separating the issues of economic freedom and social freedom, was suggested in the 1970's. It has 2 dimensions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart

I think it is time for you to try thinking in 2 dimensions. When you have mastered that you can move beyond Nolan and try thinking in 3 dimensions like the rest of us - but that is for the distant future.

[Major von Tempsky]

Get a life Bravey.
I went out and bought a Brother HL2700CN colour laser printer for my home PC yesterday, installed it and got it going beautifully. Next broadband so I can watch French TV and then a mobile that will let me do internet.
And I'm enjoying the only plus side of a possible socialist re-election in NZ, falling share prices. When to buy? Perhaps on or after 3 October after the specials are counted. Or when a Green cabinet minister is named.
Drink some more sake you raddled old piss-bag.

[rocket science fiction]

hey MvT in NZ, who cares what printer yu got? next yull be telling us what kind of car yu got;)

are your shares falling? get sum SMM now cos in october they be being higher:D

[rmbbrave]

quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

Get a life Bravey.
I went out and bought a Brother HL2700CN colour laser printer for my home PC yesterday, installed it and got it going beautifully. Next broadband so I can watch French TV and then a mobile that will let me do internet.
And I'm enjoying the only plus side of a possible socialist re-election in NZ, falling share prices. When to buy? Perhaps on or after 3 October after the specials are counted. Or when a Green cabinet minister is named.
Drink some more sake you raddled old piss-bag.


Hands Up!

Does anyone want to hear MTV's-printer-buying story?

It appears that MTV is not content with playing loose and fast with the facts he is trying to bore us to death with computer-hardware-shopping stories too.

If it is a shopping story you crave then please read my golf-club-buying story.

Warning: It is not that interesting but it is far better than MTV's printer-buying story.

A couple of months ago I was riding my mountain bike on my way to begin the ascent of a mountain near my house and I noticed a second hand golf club shop selling a full set of clubs for 1600 yen (NZ$20). Now I didn't get where I am today by passing up bargins like that so I bought a set. Unfortunately there was no bag.

Today was "big" rubbish day in the centre of Fukuoka. ["Big" rubbish are things like furniture, TVs etc]. And what did I spy with my little eye amongst the "big" rubbish?

A golf bag in perfect condition.

So I grabbed that too.

Now I have got a great bag and a nice set of clubs, worth $200, for a tenth of the price.

Now that's a decent shopping story!

MTV, please spare us your boring printer-shopping stories. They serve only to show how pathetic your life must be if you are turned on by buying a printer.

[Gryffyn]

Strange - I'm sure I've read MVT congratulating himself on how much money he's made recently, the big cheques he's received yadda yadda yadda. And for the last 6 years we have had a socialist govt! Now suddenly he predicts that same govts re-election is going to be the cause of falling share prices? Asshat.

[Placebo]

Major, please come up and accept your award (cue applause)

http://jesda.spilky.com/asshat.jpg

[rocket science fiction]

i may be mistaken but thats not an ass

[craic]

According to my tomcat, it's not a proper pu ssy either.

[Placebo]

Okay, how about:

http://images.urbandictionary.com/view/icon/6628.jpg

http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/images/smilies/asshat.gif

[duncan macgregor]

Like a pack of husky dogs some of you people . You can barge through them, kick them out the way but dont fall over for christ sake, they will be on to you. How you can have bitter little fights like this and gang up against the perceived weak one is what chooks in the farm yard do. I might have a bit of fun and come round and kick your chookhouse for a laugh if you are not carefull, just to listen to you lot squack. Shallow little lives some of you must have.
macdunk

[Halebop]

I'm still waiting for my nomination! All news is good news MVT!

I'd just like to point out though, that the Asshat pictured above is actually an @rse wearing a hat, and not a hat that looks like an @rse. When I get mine I'd like it to be an @rse looking hat.

...and besides, I'm too beautiful to look like an @rse wearing a hat!

[Major von Tempsky]

Its the tall poppy syndrome.
Actually $221,000 is not a big cheque, (nor did I say it was - check my post to see if I said it was a big cheque anywhere - Happy?, that's MBBrave inventing things he wants me to have said again just like he invents quotes for George W Bush that he would have liked him to say). Its a relatively small cheque :-)
Have fun grovelling around in the rubbish dump for an el cheapo MBBrave,
it suits you. You must have a fairly smelly collection of accoutrements.
Why would another Labour government be further left wing than the last one?
Three obvious reasons.
1)The Greens would be inside the Cabinet. They weren't last term.
2)Labour will be beholden to the Maori Party for support.
3) Having exhausted the supply of relatively moderate policy last term they now have to dig further down, hence we have capital gains tax on overseas investments coming up (not that that worries me personally, I only invest in NZ :-) and a number of things that were buried for the election will be resurfacing e.g. unrestricted public access to farms etc. Just a short hop to compulsory saving. They have already frozen funding to non government schools at the level it was several years ago despite inflation and parents paying a lot more tax, supposedly for education amongst other things.

[rmbbrave]

quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

Its the tall poppy syndrome.
Actually $221,000 is not a big cheque, (nor did I say it was - check my post to see if I said it was a big cheque anywhere - Happy?, that's MBBrave inventing things he wants me to have said again just like he invents quotes for George W Bush that he would have liked him to say). Its a relatively small cheque :-)


You seem to be suffering from paranoid delusions.

I haven't made any comments about your cheque - check my posts. I can't recall inventing quotes for Bush either.

Inventing facts and figures is your speciality. Projecting your own behaviours on to others is not a good sign either.

[Gryffyn]

I think I said big cheque. Didn't attribute it to mvt - my adjective. I don't need to work but I consider 200k a big cheque - happy to admit it.

[Gryffyn]

Of course mvt confirms his ASSHAT status by big-noting with the 200k is nothing line. You gotta laugh at the poor pathetic little man. Even big Dunc is feeling a mite sorry for hime these days.

Taken such a big-shot a while to get broadband hasn't it.

[rmbbrave]

quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

Its the tall poppy syndrome.



You're not a "tall poppy".

Judging by the amount of simple mistakes you make, I don't think you can claim to be much taller than a short daisy.

[Placebo]

quote:Like a pack of husky dogs some of you people . You can barge through them, kick them out the way but dont fall over for christ sake, they will be on to you. How you can have bitter little fights like this and gang up against the perceived weak one is what chooks in the farm yard do. I might have a bit of fun and come round and kick your chookhouse for a laugh if you are not carefull, just to listen to you lot squack. Shallow little lives some of you must have

Just to explain, Dunk, this is what's known in polite society as "humour". As a Scotsman you may not understand, so if I may be patronising for a moment further, I'll post this for your benefit:

Noun 1. humour - a characteristic (habitual or relatively temporary) state of feeling; "whether he praised or cursed me depended on his temper at the time"; "he was in a bad humor"

humour - a message whose ingenuity or verbal skill or incongruity has the power to evoke laughter

Further to the above: Wasn't sure if an "asshat" was an ass (i.e. quadruped beast of burden) wearing a hat, or an a*rse wearing a hat, so thought I'd post both, just to be safe. Unable to find a hat shaped like an ass, or an a*rse for that matter, though did find a definition of an "asshat" being "a person with their head stuck up their own ass, i.e. so they are wearing their ass as a hat."

Sorry in advance Macdunk, sure you've taken offence (again). Poor sensitive soul. PS: Don't watch the "unofficial history of NZ" on telly, you might think it's real :D

[duncan macgregor]

Get your point placebo you dont have to explain. Where i come from we never take offence we only smack them in the mouth during the sweet talk, and buy them a beer, then forget it. Much more complex society here, but still prefer our way better. Dont whatever you do read the history of the MACGREGOR clan it even upsets me.
Still your pal macdunk

[Placebo]

Thanks MacDunk no need to read up on the Clan, I know everything I need to about the dastardly MacGregors from reading Beatrix Potter to the kids.;)

[Gryffyn]

quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

Its the tall poppy syndrome.
Actually $221,000 is not a big cheque, (nor did I say it was - check my post to see if I said it was a big cheque anywhere - Happy?, that's MBBrave inventing things he wants me to have said again just like he invents quotes for George W Bush that he would have liked him to say). Its a relatively small cheque :-)


The post reads better if you have Peter Gabriel's "Big Time" playing rather loudly in the backgound...

[Gryffyn]

"Big Time"

I'm on my way I'm making it, Huh!
I've got to make it show yeah, Hey!
So much larger than life
I'm gonna watch it growing
Hey hey hey heyyyyyyy

The place where I come from is a small town
They think so small, they use small words
But not me, I'm smarter than that,
I worked it out
I'll be stretching my mouth to let those big words come right out
I've had enough, I'm getting out
to the city, the big big city
I'll be a big noise with all the big boys, so much stuff I will own
And I will pray to a big god, as I kneel in the big church

Big Time, I'm on my way I'm making it, big time, oh yes
Big time, I've got to make it show yeah, big time
Big time, so much larger than life
Big time, I'm gonna watch it growing, big time
Ho ohh ohh, oh oh, ho ohh ohh, oh ohhh

My parties have all the big names and I greet them with the whitest smile
Tell them how my life is one big adventure and always they're amazed When I show them 'round my house to my bed
I had it made like a mountain rage with a snow white pillow for my big fat head
And my heaven will be a big heaven,
and I will walk through the front door

Big Time, I'm on my way i'm making it, big time, Huh!
Big time, I've got to make it show yeah, big time
Big time, so much larger than life
Big time, I'm gonna watch it growing, big time
Big time, my car is getting bigger Big time, my house is getting bigger
Big time, my eyes are getting bigger
and my mouuuth
Big time, my dinner's getting bigger
Big time, and my bank account
Big time, look at my circumstance
Big time, and the bulge in my big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big, hi there

[Gryffyn]

quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky
The difference is I got rich and retired early by adapting Buffett to the NZX.
Eat that.

vivats,

le Commandant.


...Big time, my eyes are getting bigger
and my mouuuth

...

[duncan macgregor]

MVT, Good on ya mate. One whole month ten posts 11 including this one on your own hate thread, all running you over except me of course, without a reply. Most of them think that you are a proper rear end, that requires deflating,but i think you might be play acting. I think when you take someone else to be a complete and utter fool, be carefull that they are not doing the same thing. Tell me Major are you taking the piss out of the lower traders, or are you for real?. Dont reply in french i never speak to the unwashed. Did you see that on the tele the quickest way to get a frenchman out the bath is put water in it . Worse than the poms yuck.
your old pal macdunk

[Tom Hall]

quote:Originally posted by duncan macgregor

MVT, Good on ya mate. One whole month ten posts 11 including this one on your own hate thread, all running you over except me of course, without a reply. Most of them think that you are a proper rear end, that requires deflating,but i think you might be play acting. I think when you take someone else to be a complete and utter fool, be carefull that they are not doing the same thing. Tell me Major are you taking the piss out of the lower traders, or are you for real?. Dont reply in french i never speak to the unwashed. Did you see that on the tele the quickest way to get a frenchman out the bath is put water in it . Worse than the poms yuck.
your old pal macdunk
And for his next trick, Mcddunk is going to persuade muslims to eat pork.

[duncan macgregor]

Tom, If you had been born into a muslim home you wouldnt eat it either. Its all in the brainwashing. macdunk

[Major von Tempsky]

Its an honour to be abused by the raving looney left, the uncultured, the ignorant and the unsuccessful. If I wasn't I would be worried.
A moments reflection gives rise to the thought that most investors are centre right leaning - they wish to protect their investments and a lifetime's work and accumulation from the unsuccessful and confiscatory left.
Hence posters attacking MvT on Sharetrader, are ....somewhat atypical. They don't represent the great mass of the silent majority of Sharetrader readers and posters. At times they may seem to be the most vocal and active posters but its all smoke and mirrors.
I'll take the win.

[Halebop]

quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

Its an honour to be abused by the raving looney left, the uncultured, the ignorant and the unsuccessful. If I wasn't I would be worried.
A moments reflection gives rise to the thought that most investors are centre right leaning - they wish to protect their investments and a lifetime's work and accumulation from the unsuccessful and confiscatory left.
Hence posters attacking MvT on Sharetrader, are ....somewhat atypical. They don't represent the great mass of the silent majority of Sharetrader readers and posters. At times they may seem to be the most vocal and active posters but its all smoke and mirrors.
I'll take the win.

There was me thinking your comments about the Brazilian man were just insensitive, naive and more than a little stupid. All this time I was just being looney leftist, uncultered, ignorant and unsuccessful? Perhaps I should start referring to myself in third person? Between yourself and "The Donald" it seems the hallmark of highly successful, cultured, insightful, right thinking people.

[Gryffyn]

:-)

[rmbbrave]

Mistake - 8


quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

And curiouser and curiouser. The media report that it was not a heart attack as first suspected. What's he been up to? Popping party pills? Partying with Nandor Tanczos?


Speaking ill of the dead, while not exactly a mistake, is certainly not nice - especially when you do make a mistake in the cause of death.

Is MTV an American? Shoot first and ask questions later - just like the "friendly neighbourhood bobbies" who executed the Brazilian in the tube.

[rmbbrave]

Mistake 9


quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

The Philippines (over 82 million people) own travel advertising claims it is the world's second largest English speaking country.


Have you learnt nothing from your mistake over the support of the execution of the Brazilian "terrorist" on the tube.

Never believe Govt. propaganda MTV.

Here is a web site listing English speakers by country.

http://alt-usage-english.org/Distribution_English_speakers.shtml

Top English (including English Creoles) speaking countries

USA 253m
England 57m
Nigeria 47m
Phillip 36m
India 30m

Top English (not including English Creoles) speaking countries

USA 253m
England 57m
Phillip 36m
India 30m
Pakista 15m
Nigeria 14m

Either way England is still the 2nd biggest English speaking country.

[rmbbrave]

Mistake 10


quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky


When the EU has no internal borders, free trade, a European Parliament, a European Budget, a Defence force, a European Court, a European currency (apart from the UK and one other)


You are utterly useless MTV.

There are 25 European Union Member States.

See... http://europa.eu.int/abc/governments/index_en.htm

...And 13 countries of the European Union do not use the euro. Namely, Denmark, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and the ten member states that joined the Union on 1 May 2004; Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia.

See... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurozone

Give up before you embarrass yourself even more.

[belgarion]

You been keeping up MVT? The lastest ...

London police 'faked evidence' on shot Brazilian: report (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060129/ts_afp/britainattacksbrazilpolice)

and

Tube shooting police log 'was doctored' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/30/nmenez30.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/01/30/ixnewstop.html)

[belgarion]

Tennis is a game that has demonstrated, repeatedly, that race very little do with the winners and socio-economics has much to do with the winners ... And yet this is what MVT reduced it too ...


quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky


I've nothing against Baghdatis, he can't help his looks....huge ears and a profile like a Neanderthal - huge brow ridge and the most receding forehead I've ever seen, its a smooth continuation of the top of his head. From the side he looks like an artists rendition of a fossil ape-man come to light. Photos should be confined to full on frontals below head height.
But enough of that....I'm fascinated by human evolution but that's another story.


and ...


quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

Nice one Lawso, I thought I was going to be accused of "racism" which is what gets parrotted at anything these days whether it has anything to do with race or is another variable altogether. And I was going to reply that as Baghdatis is European and so am I, well NZ European anyway, then that was a non sequitur. I suppose I could have been accused of "speciesism" i.e. homo sapiens anti Neanderthal prejudice...
Yes, his girlfriend ain't bad, nice sheer cliff face forehead meeting the top of her skull at a 90 degree angle, French no doubt. She looked quite modern and attractive.
But Federer, my wife immediately exclaimed "What a good looking man!" and of course she has high standards in this area....


No, MVT, you don't sound like a Nazi. Not one bit ;)

[Placebo]

quote:Top English (not including English Creoles) speaking countries

USA 253m
England 57m
Phillip 36m
India 30m
Pakista 15m
Nigeria 14m

Either way England is still the 2nd biggest English speaking country.


This is a very odd list. There are 20m Australians, how come they not on the list? I know it's barely recognisable but they do speak a form of English...

[rmbbrave]

Fair enough Placebo.

But MTV (swallowing Govt. propaganda hook line and sinker) was claiming the Phillipines was the 2nd biggest English speaking country in the world.

Oz popping in at 5 on the "not including creoles list" won't make any difference.

[rmbbrave]

quote:Originally posted by belgarion

You been keeping up MVT? The lastest ...

London police 'faked evidence' on shot Brazilian: report (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060129/ts_afp/britainattacksbrazilpolice)

and

Tube shooting police log 'was doctored' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/30/nmenez30.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/01/30/ixnewstop.html)


Thanks for posting this Belg.

I meant to but forgot. Keep hammering in those nails!

[belgarion]

Police accused of altering Tube shooting evidence (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10369158)

Hell MVT, Bliar just got his suspension of habeas corpus (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=habeas%20corpus) through ... Now, they can simply arrest him and beat him senseless for 90 days ... Alas no such law at that time .... so instead they murdered him. Bliar's doing a great job [xx(]

[rmbbrave]

Mistake 11


quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

Dear old stick-in-the-mud monocultural simple minded Kiwis.
Offer them something sophisticated and better and they insist on the rubbish dump.
How do explain the Kiwi's and Aussies who have settled in Nouméa? How do you explain the Kiwis and Aussies who have settled in Europe?
Queensland is for the also-rans, those without imagination who never look at a world map, read overseas newspapers and mags (by overseas I mean outside NZ and Oz). Is Queensland the only place in the world with sunshine? Open your eyes to an amazingly big and diverse and exciting world where Aussie Rules and League are unheard of and a meal is more than fish and chips and VB.
One complains justly of Americans who are unaware of anywhere outside the US. Now there's another breed who are unaware of anything outside NZ and Oz. Their idea of social climbing is to go from Wainuiomata to Porirua to Redfern. Sad, really.

[rmbbrave]

Mistake - 12


quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

Her Majesty's democratic Opposition is a concept totally foreign to them just as in Africa the only African language word for opposition is "enemy" and enemies are always killed.

I'm amazed they let you graduate.

There is no "African language".

You remind me a little of Ali G. One of his famous quotes is : "Is Africa a member of da UN?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_G.

Only a little because there is one crucial difference - Ali G only pretends to be stupid for comic effect.

[rmbbrave]

Mistake - 13


quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

Noumea ha[s] the longest coral reef in the world (no, not Great Barrier reef)

Ignorance is the only excuse.



Do you deliberatly litter your rantings with mistakes just to give me something to do in my spring holidays?

Checking MTV's ravings for mistakes is rapidly becoming my new hobby. I have just spent the last half hour reading all about coral reefs -most interesting it was too.

It took all of 5 minutes to discover that MTV's latest claim that "Noumea ha[s] the longest coral reef in the world" is garbage as per usual.

From Wikipedia...

"The Great Barrier Reef is the world's largest coral reef. The reef is located off the coast of Queensland in north-east Australia. It stretches over 2000 kilometres in length and can be seen from space."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrier_Reef

From worldwildlife.org...

Fish diversity is high in the New Caledonia Barrier Reef ecoregion. At least 1,000 species have been documented on this reef, which is the second longest barrier reef in the world (after Australia's Great Barrier Reef), reaching a length of over 900 miles (1,500 km).

http://www.worldwildlife.org/wildworld/profiles/g200/g221.html

On to the list it goes along with the "African Language" one.

[Placebo]

quote:cheese eating surrender monkey

:D:D:D:D

[Halebop]

I like cheese.

[rmbbrave]

Bill wrote

"his african language comment was badly written"

Harry Flashman doesn't concur Bill look what he wrote about MTV's writing skills...

"I agree entirely with the views you so eloquently express..."

Beggars belief doesn't it.

Furthermore Bill,

I'm not sure you're doing MTV any favours trying to put words into his mouth...

"he was simply stating that africa as a continent has a universal definition of the word opposition and that would be enemy. Anybody care to argue that point? African democracies???"

...as there are quite a few African democracies.

Freedom House rates the following as free:

Mali
Ghana
Benin
Sao Tome and Principe
Mauritius
Botswana
Namibia
South Africa

It rates even more as partly free.

Check out Freedom House's cool map of them.

http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=16&year=2005

[Heavy Metal]

quote:Originally posted by Gryffyn

He's been shown to be an idiot before so no surprises there HM.


Wow - the only poster to have a devoted idiot's page. A worthy idiot indeed.

[belgarion]

HM, you give yourself away. Surely you can my find my "idiot" page ;)

[barnsley bill]

quote:Originally posted by belgarion

HM, you give yourself away. Surely you can my find my "idiot" page ;)


your modesty is overwhelming.... Belg has many threads dedicated to his idiot status.
Be proud my sad little friend, stop selling yourself short:D

[Heavy Metal]

I don't consider the pages dedicated to Belg as 'idiot' pages. Loony leftist Bush hating pages perhaps, but not idiot pages. This thread on the other hand, has glaring examples of supreme idiocy. Well done that man, a truly worthy effort.

[rmbbrave]

Mistake - 14

What MTV believes -

"If u had referred to it as the 3rd Indo-Pakistani War everyone would have immediately known what you were talking about.
Pervez Musharraf seized power in a military coup...hardly democratic. The Joint Intelligence Services allied with Muslim extremists usually have more influence in Pakistan than Musharraf.
You could take any war and refer to it in the native tongue of one of the combatants instead of its English name and hardly anyone would know what you were talking about. Obfuscation to the point of stupidity."

The truth -

The Kargil War was fought in May and June 1999 when Nawaz Sharif was the elected Prime Minister.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nawaz_Sharif

His rule came to an abrupt end following the overthrow of his government by the General Pervez Musharraf-led military coup in 1999 months after the Kargil War.

The Kargil War was the FOURTH war between India and Pakistan not the third.

[Pennywise]

:D:D:Dyou guys make out like you are so intelligent and well read...when the fact is...

all you do is google and look up wiki and regurge like pelicans.

a monkey could be taught to do the same.

you both are looking pretty pompus right now RMB (Tom A.N.A.L Hall included)

[Gryffyn]

But surely that is still one up an asshat who looks things up and then still gets them wrong! Never mind one who has so little empathy with others and one big notes while his shares plumet!

The origin of this thread was about the asshat's attitude to the tragic mendes killing - it still stands!

[rmbbrave]

quote:Originally posted by Pennywise

:D:D:Dyou guys make out like you are so intelligent and well read...when the fact is...

all you do is google and look up wiki and regurge like pelicans.



Quite true.

But MTV doesn't even bother with research!

Instead he makes ridiculous statements that a few minutes of simple "research" can prove wrong.

[Pennywise]

:D well at least you admit it

[Gryffyn]

and actually PW - some of things are just out of my head like the Perigo disproval - I only needed to go to the web to find something that MVT couldn't just gainsay even though he was the one alleging having "researched" the topic :-)

[Tom Hall]

quote:Originally posted by Pennywise

:D:D:Dyou guys make out like you are so intelligent and well read...when the fact is...

all you do is google and look up wiki and regurge like pelicans.

a monkey could be taught to do the same.

you both are looking pretty pompus right now RMB (Tom A.N.A.L Hall included)
Up until today I thought the mark of intelligence was a willingness to learn new information and to change your thoughts to fit in with the new facts that you'd learnt but now the scales have fallen from my eyes real intelligence is measured not by a willingness to learn but by a willingness to reject additional knowledge and by an enthusiasm to admire ignorance that agrees with your own. I guess that does make me look pretty pompous.
And a monkey could be taught to do the same? Wow! I'd like to see that monkey! Its certainly not like Major Von Tempsky or pennywise, who cannot be taught.

[Pennywise]

"up until today"...

well Tom, there is hope for you yet, to break free of the shackles of being raised in Timaru:D

if you would only pull harder on that carrot stuck in your ass

[rmbbrave]

Mistake - 15

What MTV believes -

"One day long after we are all dead it may have warmed up sufficiently for vineyards to flourish again in England and the Vikings to plant potatoes in southern Greenland, just like the old days a few centuries ago.
What a terrifying prospect."

The truth -

There are already plenty of vineyards in Southern England. I've lived on one (with a couple of Swedish girls). Craic has admired them (the vineyards not the girls).

And ....

"Mr. Egede started Greenland's first commercial potato farm in 1999 and it remains the largest potato farm in Greenland."

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/articleArchive/jul2006/globalwarminggreenland.php

[rmbbrave]

Mistake 16

Racist statements the Nazis would have been proud of...


quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

Child bashing has always been a favourite sport the whole Maori family has indulged in with enthusiasm.

[rmbbrave]

Mistake 17

Citing articles 6 years out of date in a farcical attempt to convince of of his ability to analyse CURRENT EVENTS.


quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/english/200103/15/eng20010315_65068.html
"Fiji's New PM Sworn in, Wants Fresh Elections
Fiji's new Prime Minister Ratu Tevita Momoedonu was sworn in Wednesday and said he would advise President Ratu Josefa Iloilo to dissolve parliament and hold fresh elections.

Radio Fiji reported that Momoedonu was sworn in at a ceremony near Lautoka, a west coast sugar town.

Momoeduonu was the minister for labor and industrial relations in the country's interim government installed after Fiji's last year's coup and headed by acting Prime Minister Laisenia Qarase.

He is also a member of Fiji's Labor Party, the fijilive.com website said.

In an interview with Radio Fiji, Momoedonu said he would advise President Ratu Josefa Iloilo on Thursday to dissolve parliament and hold fresh elections

He proposed the fresh elections to be held "sometime in August. "

"Now that I've been appointed the prime minister, one of the task that I would like to see is to send this country back to normal," he said."

Strange, what's comical about normality and new election? Just what I would have thought Fiji needed...
Left wingers have such weird interpretations of events...

[rmbbrave]

Mistake - 8


quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

And curiouser and curiouser. The media report that it was not a heart attack as first suspected. What's he been up to? Popping party pills? Partying with Nandor Tanczos?


Speaking ill of the dead, while not exactly a mistake, is certainly not nice - especially when you do make a mistake in the cause of death.

Is MTV an American? Shoot first and ask questions later - just like the "friendly neighbourhood bobbies" who executed the Brazilian in the tube.

Update on Mistake - 8

Rod Donald killed by 'very rare' complication
NZPA | Monday, 12 February 2007

Greens co-leader Rod Donald was killed by a "very rare" complication of a common food bug, a heart infection following a bout of illness due to campylobacter, according to the Christchurch coroner, Richard McElrea.

The MP was known to have been ill for several days before his death on November 6, 2005, suffering stomach cramps, diarrhoea and vomiting. He had told people he had food poisoning.

Today, Mr McElrea said he had decided not to hold an inquest into the death, as Mr Donald's immediate family was not seeking one, and Mr Donald "contracted campylobacter jejuni from an unknown and probably unknowable source".

http://www.stuff.co.nz/3959550a10.html

[rmbbrave]

Mistake 18


quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

... and I'll call you Uncle Tom (if u have a passing acquaintance with Mark Twain's work)...


'Uncle Tom's Cabin' was written by Harriet Beecher Stowe.

[belgarion]

The oh so condescending nature of the MVT post; the simple, to the point statement of fact by RM Brave.... Just beautiful; poetry almost .. :D

[minimoke]

Finally some closure on this event: From today’s news:
“The Metropolitan police force in London has been found guilty of endangering the public by shooting an innocent man suspected of being a terrorist.
27-year-old Brazilian electrician Jean Charles de Menezes was shot dead on a tube train in July 2005 - the day after a failed bombing campaign on the city's transport network.
The police force has been fined more than $470,000 and ordered to pay costs of just over a million dollars.
The jury added a caveat to their verdict, stating the officer in charge, Cressida Dick, was not to be held personally responsible for the incident.

Police chief Sir Ian Blair says he will not quit his job just because of events on a single day in extraordinary circumstances.”

[rmbbrave]

Thousands dead, trillions of dollars squandered all because the Bush administation bellieved what it wanted to.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7075501.stm

A US TV network has revealed the name of "Curveball" - an Iraqi man whose information was central to the US government's argument to invade Iraq.
The CBS show 60 Minutes identifies him as Iraqi defector Rafid Ahmed Alwan.

The programme says he arrived in a German refugee centre in 1999 where he lied to win asylum and was not the chemical expert he said he was.

His claims of mobile bio-weapons labs in Saddam Hussein's Iraq were backed until well after the 2003 invasion.

'Playing the system'

The CBS 60 Minutes programme airs on Sunday but material released on its web site says Curveball was "not only a liar, but also a thief and a poor student instead of the chemical engineering whiz he claimed to be".

It also says it assumes Mr Alwan is now living in Germany under a different name.

The programme says he claimed to be a star chemical engineer at a plant that made mobile biological weapons in Djerf al-Nadaf.

However, its investigation showed he received only low marks in chemical engineering at university and was the subject of an arrest warrant for alleged theft from a TV production company he worked for in Baghdad.

The programme also includes footage of his wedding in 1993 in the Iraqi capital.

It quotes former CIA senior official Tyler Drumheller as saying: "It was a guy trying to get his green card essentially, in Germany, and playing the system for what it was worth."

German intelligence agents warned the US in a letter that there was no way to verify Mr Alwan's claims.

However, his information was used in a speech by then Secretary of State Colin Powell at the UN to back military action in Iraq.

The 60 Minutes report says the information was passed on by then CIA director George Tenet, who denies ever seeing the German intelligence letter.

The programme says Mr Alwan's story unravelled once CIA agents finally confronted him with evidence contradicting his claims.

Back in November 2005, Col Lawrence Wilkerson, the chief of staff to Mr Powell, told the BBC's Carolyn Quinn he was aware the Germans had said that they had told the CIA of the unreliability.

"And then you begin to speculate, you begin to wonder was this intelligence spun; was it politicised; was it cherry-picked; did in fact the American people get fooled?," Col Wilkerson said.

A presidential intelligence commission into the matter found that Curveball was a liar and an alcoholic.

[Placebo]

Hmmm, pity you can't `un-invade' a country...