Is Belg- - - nuts?

[whatsup]

With all of Belg--- rantings of the last year I have to ask the question "Is Belg--- nuts"? all of the mindless left wing postings that he has posted on this board he has to be viewing the world through rose(red) coloured glasses . He would have to be a greenie of sorts but isnt really, greenies are "watermelions ,Green on the outside but Red on the inside"

[Capitalist]

:D:D Take the US. No matter how well the economy is doing, some hardcore asshats will remain in denial because they WANT that country to fail.That economy is poised for a tremendous boom, which will make a lot of people wealthy. Also they are not open to arguments posited in good faith. Stupid is as stupid does.

Surpises me how some of these semi-sentient creatures manage to stay on their hind legs for longer than 10 minutes actually.

[Parkey]

What was it that Winston Churchill, or somebody else, said about being mad if you are not a socialist when you are young, but being madder if you remain a socialist when you grow older. May maturity prevail!

[stolwyk]

Yes, a good idea, attack the person rather than their position.

Gerry

[Gofish.]

From what I've seem Belg knows the value of a dollar as well as most, and has accumulated a few.
There are plenty of crazy inconsistencies in the world and I don't mind having some of them pointed out, even if I don't agree with the conclusions. Nothing like a bit of stirring to stimulate discussion....

[GB]

You make a good point - but 72 virgins is a heck of an incentive -

[Capitalist]

quote:Originally posted by stolwyk

Yes, a good idea, attack the person rather than their position.

Gerry


Yes, the ideas ARE the person - one cannot separate them. On the other hand it is pointless to get into arguments with concrete-bound irrationalists. Let one of the Marxists he loves get in here, and the next thing you know you've got no cash, and websites like this one will be shut down due to "hate speech" legislation. Remember who tried to get Matrix run off.

[Capitalist]

OK. A man straps on explosives; detonates them; goes to Heaven and gets 72 virgins as I understand.

What does a woman get when she does the same thing? 72 WHAT ? Anything?

Can anyone enlighten me?

[GB]

i think the woman just gets blown apart -

[GB]

Looking at some of them arab blokes i believe it could be a cry for help-albeit an extreme one - i mean you can imagine her dispair - she cleans -cooks etc all day and he sits there dreaming of the 72 virgins - you cant blame her really - makes for an explosive situation

[Capitalist]

Is it any wonder Muslim terrorists are so quick to commit suicide?

Let's see now . . . No beer, no bars,no television, no football, no golf, no burgers, no crayfish.You can't shave, your wife can't shave. The women have to wear baggy dresses and veils at all times. Your bride is picked by someone else. Then they tell you that when you die it all gets better!

Is there a mystery here?

And are Palestinian suicide bombers going to drive Jews into the sea? I don't think so. Their bombers can't drive a suicide car without blowing their own ass up before they get where they're going, and their "leaders" are just as asswitted.

[belgarion]

LOL ... The following story just about sums up my reaction to my detractors ... http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/03362/255283.stm

THE KING says thanks Bel.. had a happy ending over nothing so what has this got to with making money on the NZX. :)[8D]

Watching from Australia THE KING

[belgarion]

Quite simple your majestry ... watch the NZD/USD or AUD/USD cross and then head for the east ... :)[8D]

[whatsup]

Having been out to WORK all day and had tea so have sat down to the tube to see the results of my postings GREAT job guys/guysess -good point GB but what the arabs /mussies didnt tell all about the 72 virgins was that they are all over 80 years old and having waited that long are dead keen for a good time hence they like males that go off with a bang !!!

[GB]

Imagine if the pack of cards was the ones issued by the pentagon - lol-

[belgarion]

Seems I am in better company than I thought ...

A Foreign Policy Harmful to Business, Unilateralism imperils global economic stability, says Yale's Jeffrey Garten (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_41/b3803085.htm)

Jeffrey E. Garten is dean of the Yale School of Management and an Economic Viewpoint columnist for Business Week. He served on the staffs of Secretaries of State Henry Kissinger and Cyrus Vance and was an officer in the 82nd Airborne Division and the U.S. Special Forces. Garten was an investment banker from 1979 to 1992. He was Undersecretary of Commerce for International Trade in the first Clinton Administration.

Only one group has the experience, the knowledge, the perspective, and the clear self-interest to provide some countervailing influence to the dangerous ways that Washington is throwing around American military power--and that is the nation's top business leaders.

Seems you twig supporters can only garner support from red-necks and neo-nazis ....

[srotherh]

Cap
Reckon you are suited to it
A walking time bomb with bloody short fuse
How Do ya fancy 72 Choir boys

Happy New year to all;)

[wsheridan]

quote:Originally posted by belgarion

LOL ... The following story just about sums up my reaction to my detractors ... http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/03362/255283.stm


This reminds me of my goldfish Humphrey ... who travelled the world with me in a similar way!

Ok... so there 4 Humphreys along the way ..... but mister we could use a guy like Hubert Humphrey again.... didn't need no welfare state..... every body pulled their weight .... guys like you we had it made ..... Those Were The Days.

(if you are confused about this post ... consult a forum about All in the Family)

[Capitalist]

There is truth to Oscar Wilde’s maxim: “There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.” The fact that some of us have so profoundly entered the Zeitgeist here is something that needs to be celebrated. Quite seriously - ya gotta laugh - I do :D[:p]

[wsheridan]

cheers Belg. Cap



Just proved a point to a coupla mates lookin for the oz cricket scores online.

There is always someone looking for something online and usually you can tell what it is[}:)];);).

[whatsup]

Whats the betting that Belg---, 1/ Reads karl Marx each night before bed (just to make sure that his misses is asleep), 2/ he plays soccer for a over 40's group -men mostly (which would be like dancing with you sister)???

[whatsup]

Com on Belg--- I bet you do play soccer???

[Capitalist]

On a more serious note ~ the mind boggles doesn't it? The left claims tolerance and open-mindness as their hallmark, and yet their actions and words are steeped in malice,revealing just the complete opposite. Let's face facts, many liberals are completely divorced from reality, preferring instead some cozy, utopian fantasy that can never come true. And this is the crux of it because they know that utopia will never come true, and their bitterness with this fact just festers and metastasizes into an all out malignancy.

And ya gotta love how they fling the "fascist" label at anyone who dares to disagree with them ~ it is never accurately applied. Indeed, the collectivist and the fascist have much in common!

[belgarion]

Played soccer from age 7-11 then switched to rugby. had a trial for auck u19 at half-back. stopped playing rugby at 22 after letter from ARU said that i had better take a break after being knocked unconscious twice in 4 games. switched to triathons. did 1 auckland iron man, over 10 half ironmans and numerous standard short course and sprints. best ssc time 2:03. did a few marathons too. best time 2:28. decided 20-30 hours training per week was a bit daft, so tailed down on the triathlons and become a surf life saver. have sailed competitively since i was 11. went to europe where i got lazy and just played golf and squash and some occasional fencing. still play golf and sail.

Are you looking for a date whatsup? [xx(] ... [}:)]

[stolwyk]

There is nothing wrong with playing soccer. I originally came from Holland and rugby is not in big demand over there.

And there is of course far more money being spent on good soccer players. Soccer is the major sport in many European and other countries.

I suppose it has all to do with what one is used to,

Gerry

[whatsup]

Well done Belg---, good sporting record (if its true {from a socialist point of view }if you know what I mean -rose coloured glasses et al) how about the misses & Karl Marx???? does she sleep with a smile on her face if you know what I mean - the trueth please!!!!

[belgarion]

All true WU. Haven't read Marx since I was at Uni and it was a required text. With regards, mrs belgarion ... I couldn't possibly comment on a public forum without her okay [:I]

[whatsup]

Belg---, Mrs speaking you can tell the truth to all (the truth mind you )you have my permisson and blessing - just this once if you know what I mean!!!!

[matrix]

Sad, isn't it when posters deduce from Belgarion wasting his time over the Christams and New Year holidays trawling the internet to feed his obsession with Bush and anti-Americanism that they suspect his home life is in tatters?

Don't believe me? Check his postings over the holiday period!

The rest of us are spending time with family on holidays and getting on with our lives, and Belgie is in a dark room trawling the internet for rubbish.

Sad ...shakes my head ....very very very sad. [xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(]

[Gryffyn]

Belg - that's a very impressive tri record you have there. Endurance training gives you lots of time to think doesn't it. What was your ironman time/splits. One day I may pysche myself up to train for one of those. Well done dude.

[matrix]

quote:Originally posted by Gryffyn

Belg - that's a very impressive tri record you have there. Endurance training gives you lots of time to think doesn't it. What was your ironman time/splits. One day I may pysche myself up to train for one of those. Well done dude.


Yes, like Wow! And to think that I only climbed Mt Everest twice and ran the New York Marathon 6 times. :D:D:D:D

[belgarion]

Gryffyn, time was around 10:45 from memory as I wasn't going to do it but I was training with a guy who was. When some idiot driver knocked him down and broke his collar bone, I stepped in. Take my advice, don't do it! Its basically very, very boring as you spend most of your time alone and the feild is so spread out you don't really see anyone else except at transition. (Mind you, the feeling when you start the run where walking, or even just standing up, is as hard as running because you are so knackered, so you just keep on running is kinda cool.) I thought it would be kinda cool to say, "I've done an ironman". Now I look back on the hours and hours of training and wish I'd been socialising (and having sex) rather than training, working and sleeping, not drinking and not socialising much. (Mind you some girls were very keen to help me shave my legs ;)). Stick to the short stuff. Or you want real respect from endurance athletes, the Coast to Coast in one day. Geez, those guys and gals are tough! (And you get some great scenery.)

[srotherh]

Matrix

quote:Yes, like Wow! And to think that I only climbed Mt Everest twice and ran the New York Marathon 6 times.


Please get help!!!!!!!!!
How can anyone love you when you hate yourself.
Your replies such as this prove you are a mess.

[Lawso]

Is Belg nuts? No!

But he could be a mixed-up Ian Bolger, Nigel Boar, Brian Lego, Nora Bilge - or Belgian!

No offence, Nora

Love from Oswal.

[Lawso]

Nice one, aspex.

[instinct2004]

you guys are a laugh ive just read through this posting start to finish what a crackup do u guys actually make any money lol , anyway you really think iraq is going to get any better after we're gone DOUGHT IT , like the old story of the scorpion and the turtle down by the river sorpion says to the turtle hey mate how about a lift to the other side of the river turtle turns and says yea right you'll sting me when we get half way across and ill drown , scorpion says no i wont cause ill drown to , so the turlte says far enough good point jump on , so there swimming along and sure enough the scorpion stings the turtle , well the turtle turns his head and says WHY now we are both going to die , the scorpion smile and says BECAUSE ITS IN MY NATURE

[matrix]

Instinct2004 - good one! :D:D:D:D:D

Tragedy ....when you lose control and you have no soul ...it's tragedy!

Tragedy ....when you lose all feeling and you have no soul ...it's tragedy!

Kinda sums up this forum will be like with just the pimpled-faced bespectacled punters posting their university thesis, eh? ;)

[matrix]

quote:Originally posted by aspex

Well it certainly seems to be the matrix nature


SHHHHHHHHHHHHH...Aspex ...you don't want people to know that you wear thick black glasses (made in North Korea) and are still fighting pimples (with sour cream and Waiwera mineral water)! [xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(]

[instinct2004]

lol you obviously have alot of time on your hands matrix , and id say you dont have a women cause your only on here to ***** and moan as i can see lol

[Gryffyn]

Wow, intstict has been here for just 8 posts and is picking things up fast - or is it perhaps another alias for an existing punter? Welcome regardless.

[instinct2004]

lol no alias here just like taking the mickey lol and i can take as much as i can give thanks for the welcome

[matrix]

quote:Originally posted by instinct2004

lol no alias here just like taking the mickey lol and i can take as much as i can give thanks for the welcome


Yes, welcome aboard.

The forum can always do with another pimpled-faced thick-spectacled faceless nerd. [^][^][^][^]

[instinct2004]

lol matrix you'll have to do better than that and i wish i did have pimples cause at least then i'd be young again as for the thick rim glass i havent been able to find a pair so if u dont mind could i borrow yours lol

[matrix]

quote:Originally posted by instinct2004

lol matrix you'll have to do better than that and i wish i did have pimples cause at least then i'd be young again as for the thick rim glass i havent been able to find a pair so if u dont mind could i borrow yours lol


Lies will get you everywhere ....good boy! You are a fast learner from Belgie. :D:D:D

[Capitalist]

Good Lord---people are actually moving in to this site to hate Matrix! Heh. Matrix is great!

[instinct2004]

omg you people are funny ive never laughed so much and i though learning the market was going to be boring so matrix whats your picks for the year

[Burgerbun]

instinct2004

he doesnt have any picks

didnt enter the comp

all his winners seem to be in hindsight

with comment like.....


Matrix is very happy:D:D:D:D:D

Guess why?[^][^][^][^][^]



One hell of a laugh
BTW...if you just tuned in recently, his old name was "Sniper"

All the same tricks, but very recognisable

Sniper conveniently went the same way as Matrix will...
Poof
and with that he was never heard of again...however

The idiots here do make the site very entertaining...as you are finding out:)

[matrix]

Love it when C9 gets more and more flustered .....[:p][:p][:p]

How's the POT pricking your ears? I hear that your favourite brokers are recommending that you should double up on Intaz and Pacific Biotech.

Told you to stop smoking POT ....;)

How's the blodd pressure? We are concerned ....NOT! :D:D:D:D

[matrix]

quote:Originally posted by aspex

cap,
No I do not hate matrix.
I do have an opinion about him/her and it does not involve hatred.
I actually think he is quite funny in a droll sort of way but do have difficulty understanding the motive of keeping at it for so long.
Verdict: It is becoming a bit boring but I am always tempted to keep the berley bag full and hung over the side.[:I]


Good boy, Aspex - you may actually learn something one of these days rather than sheepishly reading things on the internet and then, thinking that they provide the answers.

I LOVE it when you guys more and more flustered .......good blood circulation, see? :D:D:D

[whatsup]

Belg---, you are getting worse each day , could you please post on this board some thing dreadful /bad/ evil about your socialist friends who mismanage the countries they control Nth Korea, Rhodesia, Noprth Vietnam ,China etc.Im sure with your dredging skills youl come up with something for us to read, there must be soo much out there in cyberspace for you to post. Never forger "The left is a lie" Truth is all about consistency.

[belgarion]

Whatsup, Hmmm...

I follow the US closely because they are still the biggest economy in the world. I also follow Europe because they are the second biggest. I follow emerging markets because they often have phenominal growth rates.

Countary to your view that Im a leftie, I am not as far as markets are concerned. I am concerned about truth and justice. I am concerned about rogue states that upset the global economy. Rogue states like N. Korea, Rhodesia, etc. have little baring on the markets in general unless they are oil producers. Rogue states like the US however have s significant baring.

Have you not been reading the financial news? Have you not been keeping up with the concern that just about every economist and businessman has with the falling US dollar?

Might I remind you that the problem, forseen by anyone keeping an eye open, was created by a group you like to call the 'right'. In fact, the US govt footprint on the US economy is now larger than almost every other govt the US has ever had. Such a footprint is usually associated with 'left' govts. By your definition, that the 'left is a lie', I guess you are right ... Bush & Co are liars after all ... they pretend to be on the 'right' but the reality is that they are actually on the 'left' ... (Think about it a bit before jerking your knee. ;))

[whatsup]

Belg---, If only I could believe you , Chardonnay socialist are always the worst kind, "Run with the hares and hunt with the hounds" Never forget "The left is a lie "

[whatsup]

aspex ,I suppose that pros-tition doesnt exist in the socialist world, do they give it away, come on only the truth will do please . Never forget The left is a lie.

[Capitalist]

The polarization of liberal and conservative has created a huge rift, a great divide. A lot of the respective comments are intended to create a response, in a way that makes people start paying attention to something. And judging by the fact this thread has run to 4 pages, it is a successful tactic;)

No-one with half decent self-esteem cares what people they don't know from Adam's housecat think of them anyway.

"A word to the wise ain't necessary; it's the stupid ones who need the advice."--Bill Cosby

[Burgerbun]

quote:Originally posted by whatsup

aspex ,I suppose that pros-tition doesnt exist in the socialist world, do they give it away, come on only the truth will do please . Never forget The left is a lie.


hahahaha

nice one whatsup

...I heard they used to bind feet and drink peach juice in the good ol days.

:D:D:D

[whatsup]

Belg---, after your latest out pouring of socialist BS on the Iraq page I for one think its time you applied for a real job( If that is at all possible) while you have some financial logic your Socialist brain washing must have been at a early stage in your formative years , Lets NOW fact reality "The left is a lie" Liberal=socialism=left=lie=bludger. The US may not be perfect but its sure better than your socialist friends . What really baffles me is this HOW does the US, possible the greatest nation on earth produce such ido-s for presidents I think that the last particially exceptable President was------? Lincoln!!!

Whatsup Just remember the right is a even bigger lie. It is right wingers that vote idio-s in to the US presidency because they don't realise they are bigoted idio-s themselves

[whatsup]

Is Belg--- nuts? A) yes he has to be by all the drivle that he/she continues to post.

[whatsup]

Is Belg--- nuts? , YES he really must be (see other postings re Iraq etc )if he can prove that Arabs DIED in gas chambers during WW2 in Germany killed by the Nazi's which is now commonly known as the Holocaust then I may reconsider and debate that he/she MAY be sain !( although he may/most probably will deny that such a event ever happened) typical of the thaughts of a lefty, Remember "The left is a lie". Belg----, the Holocaust has a period in European history no other.

[Elise]

<yawn>

[whatsup]

You have to ask the question constantly "Is Belg--- nuts" when were being constantly blasted by his/her Anti US BS on the Anti US posting site ,Why do we have to put up with this Bull S*it constantly beats me ,every one knows what Crap it is and the sad thing for Belg--- is that it wont make a jot of difference to the final outcome in Iraq.

[zyreon]

in today's southland times there is a letter to the editor slagging Brash, moaning on about how brash wants to give higher income earners tax cuts, the person that wrote the letter is obviously a socialist idiotic moron. He obviously failed to understand that retards who leech off the benefit create very little if any value, where as people who earn 500k+ tend to be the ones who create our finer companies on the stock exchange.Thats why flat tax rate is good, it rewards people for earning higher incomes (creating more value). I'm tempted to write a letter in response, pointing out how he is an idiot and misses the point.

Incidentally whatsup, you should slap belg with a glove and challenge him to a duel.

[Nightmare]

Whatsup ....he's not nuts. Belgarion is the one on the right ......:D:D:D:D

http://bushspeaks.com/img/bush_cheney_naked.jpg

[Major von Tempsky]

Is Belg nuts?

No, he may be just uneducated and of dull, normal intelligence.
A University education is no proof of (a) intelligence (b) education.
In my day pol sci was counted the easiest degree and it was said that one could get a pol sci degree by cutting out bits from the papers and mags, pasting them to A4 sheets, handing them in as assignments and after 3 years you would have a pol sci degree, or even less if you came from a politically correct minority.
Helen Clark has a pol sci degree.

I would however like to ask Belg whether he has a pass in Econ 101?

Other bits of evidence....I notice he was asking about "technical analysis", you know, the chicken entrails reading business where you feed in some past prices, ignore fundamental analysis of p/e and gross yields and nta ratios, the state and projections of the economy, and come up with statements about where the price is going to go because the graph looks like, say part of an incomplete "head and shoulders".

How he can completely disregard the evidence of the sustained good performance of free economies and the bad performance of socialist economies (read Nth Korea, Cuba) beats me.

His latest one to the effect that government intervention in the economy is reserved for socialist governments and therefore the Bush administration "is a lie". Qu'est ce que, que c'est que, que c'est que, que ca?

So Alan Greenspan is a socialist, Hitler was a socialist, Keynes was a socialist.....

And just to nail my colours to the mast, I am instinctively and philosophically an anarchist - I would point you to the recent Economist article which discusses how well the economy of Somalia is doing....

And, yes, I played soccer for University.
And I deeply deplore ironman and marathons - they're for morons. Tennis and badminton are the things. We've just thrashed the holy **** out of the Aussies at badminton in a series of tests - yet again. What other sport can boast that apart from scrabble?

[Capitalist]

You surprise me Tempsky-- I would have pegged you as religious right. BTW anarchy as a political concept is a naive floating abstraction. You've been spending too long at Mises.org ..Je n'y crois pas à ces conneries!

PS If you are an anarchist that is a great improvement in your premises. I recall you advocating nanny state interventions such as gambling/fat taxes in the past ;)

[belgarion]

MVT ..

No, he may be just uneducated and of dull, normal intelligence.

Nope. Both educated, well travelled, well above average intelligence. Dull? Depends on your investment horizons I guess.

A University education is no proof of (a) intelligence (b) education.

Ya got that right! The best question to any situation begins with a "Why ..." ... Asking questions rather than regudgitating answers is the key. People who read 'news' without asking why are never going to be "smart". It takes balls and self-confidence to ask difficult questions ... It takes even more balls and intelligence to weather the abuse and succeed in the face of it.

I would however like to ask Belg whether he has a pass in Econ 101?

Yes. And other Econ papers at stage 2 and 3 as well.

His latest one to the effect that government intervention in the economy is reserved for socialist governments and therefore the Bush administration "is a lie". Qu'est ce que, que c'est que, que c'est que, que ca?

Huh? Where did I say that? If you are referring to my comment that the Repukicans tout themselves as the 'low-tax, free-market, non-interventionists' then I stand by that because the Repukes are becoming the 'spend, spend, spend" party that they claim they are not. If you don't believe this check out the US Govt deficit ... That deficit could be given back as Tax Cuts !!!!

My view on Govt is that it should be a "gatekeeper" with very long investment horizons. See the thread on ShareTrader, Tragedy of the Common:Investor Parents will get it (http://www.sharetrader.co.nz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19386), and please read the initial link I posted so that you understand the initial quandry, Tragedy Made Simple.


Hitler was a socialist, Keynes was a socialist

I think if you check out most literature on the subject you will find they had significant 'socialist' leanings. Greenspan? He just an economist ... many say inhuman ... me? ... undecided.

And just to nail my colours to the mast, I am instinctively and philosophically an anarchist

So am I !!! But for an anarchistic society to work it requires near perfect education, information and compromise and similar short and long term goals amoungst the members of that society. I live in today's world. I have to be pragmatic and choose which battles to fight and win. America's foray into Iraq will be one. They will 'lose'. I want to be on the winning side and I can wait for that. Are America's actions consistant with that of an anarchist? I think not! Their actions are 'imperial' and for that reason I am sticking to my code of ethics, weathering the abuse, and playing the long term game. Like Vietnam, I will come out right. Being right is more important to me than being popular!

And, yes, I played soccer for University. And I deeply deplore ironman and marathons - they're for morons.

MVT I do not care that you played soccer and you should not care what sports I played. Are you embarrassed that you played soccer? You shouldn't be! Its a great game and one that I still play from time to time and still take an interest in after 10 years in Europe. Same for badminton, tennis, scrabble, etc.

Why even bring this up? Any person who gets to the top of their chosen feild deserves recognition and credit. Why? Because it takes dedication, commitment, skill and plenty of bloody hard work. I admire these traits in everyone.

I notice he was asking about "technical analysis", you know, the chicken entrails reading business where you feed in some past prices, ignore fundamental analysis of p/e and gross yields and nta ratios, the state and projections of the economy, and come up with statements about where the price is going to go because the graph looks like, say part of an incomplete "head and shoulders".

Berkshire-Hathaway ... It's leader, in the real sense of the word, uses TA too. Are they wrong? Empirical evidence, like 20% growth per year, would say otherise. Buffet picks based on fundimentals. I try to too. However,

[zyreon]

that defence deserves an applaud. even if views are in some respects contrary, at least they're based (or held out to be) on what appears to be deep thought.

and as for technical analysis, technically P/E would tend to lean t'ward TA as it is MARKET PRICE/earnings.

*creaps back into cave to study fundamentals of investment paper*

[Nightmare]

No, he's not nuts.

Just obsessed and here's a good example - fancy posing for a photo like this with his good mate, Willy Wonker, sothat they can post a picture of Bush & Cheney heads on their bodies.

How's the hands, Belgarion?

http://bushspeaks.com/img/bush_cheney_naked.jpg

[Awryly]

A question, Belgarion. Do you want the Americans to lose? Or do you want the Iraqis to win? And, in each case, what do you think 'winning' and 'losing' might mean?

Awryly it will be a disaster either way.

[belgarion]

I don't think I could have put it better than Enigma .... except to use the present tense. :(

[stormrose]

So pick your disaster.

[Major von Tempsky]

By reasons of force majeure it is difficult to be an anarchist in practice except at a personal level.
I detest all forms of authority, unelected, elected and political correctness. Anarchism requires a well educated, civilised and intelligent population to function so unfortunately life is full of compromises. Occasionally there is a fortunate happening, e.g. the halving of the number of Chch City Councillors, a bout of deregulation, the effective non functioning of the Somali government, a hung Parliament, the sacking of Rome....
Perhaps in 200 years with an improvement in education, a return to freethinking over PC, timely psychiatric intervention for those with ambitions in politics, the establishment of one global completely free market....

Cap, I'm against gambling as it wastes money which could be invested on the Stock Exchange ;)
And as for a fat food tax I believe it is warranted on aesthetic grounds alone....let alone health grounds.

With a properly educated, civilised and intelligent population gambling would not exist and a fat food tax would be unnecessary. So would both local and central government.

Now, please tell me that the International Baccalaureate is being introduced instead of the present rubbish.....

Of course it does give rise to occasional Fascist thoughts as a way of speeding up progress.... what if people needed a licence to have children so only intelligent well adjusted parents existed...what if pre natal brain scans allowed one to pick which foetuses could be used for stem cell research...
The advent of practical anarchy would be immeasurably accelerated....

And Belg, didn't the last phase of theoretical Communism see a withering away of the State.....

[Capitalist]

Cap, I'm against gambling as it wastes money which could be invested on the Stock Exchange ;)
And as for a fat food tax I believe it is warranted on aesthetic grounds alone....let alone health grounds.

Tempsky, if you don't believe persons have sovereignty over their own lives, money, and bodies, then you are not a libertarian, let alone an anarchist. C'est une blague ou quoi? Tu me prends la tête! Sors de là!

PS Even if every member of society was totally rational, society still could not function in a state of anarchy. The need for objective laws and for an arbiter to deal with disagreements between honest men necessitates the establishment of a government.

[belgarion]

Cap,

Govts don't need to exist permanently ... why shouldn't they just exist just on an "issue by issue basis"? Sure, I acknowledge that the "issue based" govt would need to be appointed by some 'near permanent' body (obviously elected over various terms), but that 'near permanent' govt could be very small indeed ... say 20 individuals costing the taxpayer next to nothing. [}:)]

[Capitalist]

Absolutely it could be 20 people.You need a government to protect individual rights, including property rights, and to protect the citizenry against the initiation of force. Libertarianism states this is the only legitimate role of government.We need the protection of civil law for society to prosper.Without government society is at the mercy of any gang of thugs who come along. Anarchism is a call for disorder and injustice, hiding behind a facade of the promotion of freedom.

[stormrose]

Locke puts forward a good case for the necessity of govt.

It's based on practical realities...no dogma truly works when taken to the extremes, there's always compromises to be made in the name of practicality.

von Tempsky: You may be interested in Stephen Pascale's book: Surfing the edge of chaos. It's business focused, but looks at adaption by mixing stability and anarchy at the edges.
Oh btw: I'm against a fat tax. I fit into the category of "Morbidly Obese", yet I'm very well educated an civilised :-). Despite the education there's still "My Choice" - either by commission or ommision.

[belgarion]

quote:Originally posted by Capitalist

Anarchism is a call for disorder and injustice, hiding behind a facade of the promotion of freedom.


Populist propoganda laid out by Govt 'classes' looking to protect the status quo. No, anarchy is the foundation of any democracy. However, in practical terms it'll only work in very small societies. That said, I live in hope. :)

[GB]

Anarchism is a call for disorder and injustice , hidden behind a facade of the promotion of freedom- libertarianism only works when every member of society believes in the same freedoms and protection of them - sad but true it is a pipe dream - a noble one but never attainable across the board -to force your views of libertarianism upon other disaffects you from your original scheme to have ones thoughts and beliefs remain ones own - if a particular way of living is above all the rest then it would be accepted by the masses - the minority interest groups are always the most vocal- a form of religiosity taints any individual or cause that believes their way is the best way - noble but a pipe dream

[stormrose]

> is above all the rest then it would be accepted by the masses
Not true. Never discount the stupidity of large groups of people.
In computer science there's a branch of search called "Genetic Searches" these show convergence around local optima. Local optima are not necessarily the global optimin. Society is no different in its convergence around local optima.
Putting it another way, sometimes you've got to go backwards to go forwards. For example: NZ went through a lot of pain in the '80s. The reforms took the country backwards, but enabled it to go further forward.
Yep - pipe dreams...this is reality man. **** I can't just kill random people :-)

[Major von Tempsky]

Cap, you failed to completely analyse the situation. Did it not cross your mind that I might be a schizophrenic.....
I would have to agree with Belg (Ooh, aah, ooh, the pain....)
What about the Quaker Church which has no authoritarian base, anyone may stand up and speak, yet all are bound to behave by Christian principles i.e. a practical anarchy that functions without disorder and crime. I would note however that I am a Quaker descendant but not a Quaker....
What about societies of bees and ants etc, pure anarchy but functioning as civilisations.
What about, say the Student's Association at a freethinking university, there are countless examples of successful anarchies. My one regret is news reports which lump anarchists and socialists together in for example protests against globalisation. Socialism is the antithesis of anarchy and anarchy must enfold free trade. On the other hand globalisation which implies the stamping out of alternative cultures such as the beautiful and musical French language and imposes the Warehouse on Kerikeri and McDonalds in Paris is greatly to be regretted.

[whatsup]

Is Belg--- nuts? I would have to say a BIG YES from the way that he continueling is trying (unsuccessfully I might say) to stir up anti American crap . For C-rist sake Belg--- get a job and believe me when I say that NO ONE BUT NO ONE believes you (or is your name really John Minto another person who views his world through rose coloured glasses ,who has no creditibility by his action of a selective morality stance)

[mikescott]

Aspex,

Kiss my a r s e.

[whatsup]

Beig---, has to a NUTS to keep up his/her tirade of BULL S-IT on a financial site <GET A LIFE BELG___< GO SOMEWHERE ELSE TO POST YOUR ANTI US CRA-

[Capitalist]

Well it's all part of the diversity of this site whatsup. Just don't read threads that you know are going to annoy you. Or grab your popcorn, the choice is yours ;)

[whatsup]

By the present tone of Belg---, postings re David Hicks & the continueing ravings of Iraq, Belg--- is and will always be NUTS , Belg--- PLEEEEEEASE go back under your rock , the war in Iraq is over ,result is that YOOOOOOU LOST, FREEEEEDOM WON!!! as we all know "The left is a lie"...

[bongo66]

Isnt the left and looniness inextricably linked?

My answer is a well considered YES!!

The right is affirmative the left is just plain wrong, Bongo

[whatsup]

Earlier this year I asked the question on this site "Is Belg--- nuts"? ,and from the crap that he/she/it keeps on posting I would definately have to say that he is ,-whats say you all?

[k1w1]

This is not about a share, so take your juvenile drivel somewhere else please.

[mikescott]

Whatsup, Belgarion is one big loser in his sorry existence. Leave him to it, please. He has been successfully exited into the other forum and does not annoy this forum anymore.

[whatsup]

Im hoping that the administrator will shift this post to the other site ,but sad to say he/she is taking his/her time, comeon administrator please change to the other site!!!!