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Well there isnt anywhere else relevant and I just wanted to comment on MarketMaker (CMC's trading platform) and its upgraded version 5.3
Like its predecessor its got a huge print on the PC system but is stable enough in itself. Memory hog alert! and not just RAM or pagefile altho definitely those but at a very low system resource level. I have found this seems to give other applications issues - or arent I supposed to have 15 windows open in my default layout?
It takes a veritable age to start up too even with my dual core processor. It wasnt quite so bad in the previous version and is kind of annoying.
Some new features in the order placing are most welcome however. OCO's are much easier to place. I havent experimented with If Dones yet, but the whole layout is more intuitive around the new order window.
Prices can now display in Fade, Flash or neither, depending on how attension seeking you want price movements to be. And charts now can be set to use bid or offer.
There are a few more graphs properties available, I particularly enjoy pottering with the Point and Figure, but theres also Kagi, Renko , Three Line Break, and Heikin-Ashi with scale types of Linear, Log, and Reference.
Indicators are abundant, ADX, ATR , DMI, CMO, RSI, TRIX, Pivot Points, etc etc
SuperTrend was there before but is a useful trailing stop type indicator. I hadnt noticed Ichimoku before either so will surely spend some time with that cloudy magic now.
I've also discovered (again most of them may have been there before) drawing tools that include Fib Retracement, Fib Fan, Fib Arc, Gann Arc , Gann Lines , along with Speed lines AND Andrews pitchfork. Wow I dont need to do the calculations anymore.
So all in all some of the major limitations have been fixed except for the lack of a trailing stop mechanism.
One day maybe.
Steve
22-01-2007, 07:17 AM
Peat, what are your 'running costs' associated with MarketMaker?
nothing...
one must have an open account with CMC (min NZ1000) but there are no data feed charges or anything like that.(except for ASX quotes where the ASX charges so CMC obviously must recoup)
but I pretty much only trade forex where u pay thru the spread. so no running costs for me.
Steve
22-01-2007, 06:24 PM
You memtion that it is a bit of a drain on your system. What are the specs of your cpu?
As with most computing issues its not the CPU thats the issue, but memory or RAM. I have a gig of RAM and it uses 3/4 or more of that - which is quite unbelievable but thats how it is.
Even that wouldnt be too bad normally but as I said running it seems to make other applications fail with random error messages due to low system resources. Even in my experience as a computer engineer this is unusual, but I can live with it by not multitasking so much or shutting down MM if I need to. But I can run IE7 as well so it doesnt completely turn the computer into a 1 operation machine.
So yeh you will need a good chunk of memory to run this programme. but memory is cheap these days , imo everyone should have a gig.
Steve
23-01-2007, 09:34 AM
One final question, what made you decide to move to CMC? What makes them preferable to your previous broker? (if you had a previous one).
Thanks in advance
Steve
I had blown my previous a/c [xx(][xx(][xx(] with GFT based in CHicago and it was a huge hassle transferring money to them so when I regrouped I looked for a local broker. And after using CMC for over 6 months now I have had no problems with them.
Steve
23-01-2007, 12:50 PM
Thanks Peat, you have been very helpful
Hi peat,
this is probably an irrelevant question to you since you trade forex, but do you know how to create a volume bar chart and the on-balance volume indicator?
XC
no sorry , I cant say I do.
I had a quick look on some stock charts but couldnt see them. I just use findata for looking at vol graphs.
Theres an update to this platform from last weekend. Quite a new style of interface. I'm just checking it out now. Worth a look.
http://update.marketmaker.co.uk/html/cfd/charting/Charting_Glossary.pdf
Peat
Interested to know if its still a power hungry beast
rgds - arco
yes its still a memory hog tho possibly not quite as bad
I could live with that tho if it did something extra , memory is pretty cheap these days.
but its largely the same beast with just a different style of interface.
There are a few new indicators tho see that link for the list.
Hi, is anyone having trouble loading up the US indices? The S&P500 just isn't loading on my system.
The SPX500 loaded ok for me just now
Dazza
07-11-2008, 06:10 PM
peat i am wondering for ur Fx trades. what paper work do u do to show ur accountant when u are filing your tax returns?
just a comment on MarketMaker....
it runs a lot better now that I have 4 GIG of really fast ram :p
(which only cost $100)
belgarion
18-01-2009, 08:12 AM
Hi peat,
One gig of RAM for a dual-core PC; i.e. a modern one; is quite low. If you're running Vista (another memory hog) then 1 gig is way too low. I'd suggest the ROI with at least another gig would be significant.
Most modern PCs are capabale of taking 4 gig but with 2 gig the next thing to look at is your disk subsystem.
One disk is basically not enough and exposes you to quite a bit of risk. With 12 or more windows open, and apps like MM which run constantly whether you're in the MM windows or not (not to mention the increasing numbers of windows services/background services/deamons running, your single disk becomes a major bottleneck at boot time and whenever these backgroud fire scheduled/housekeeping processes. The risk element is that a single disk failure and you're out for days trying to recover everything.
When I buy a new PC I buy a cheap RAID card and two extra disks. $50 card and $200 for the disks. I then set the two disks up as RAID 1 config. RAID 1 is mirroring which means that each of the two disks has the same data so that if one fails the system keeps running giving you time to replace the failed disk. (A two disk RAID 1 set coming up in windows as a single 'drive'.)
You also get a performance boost as when reading from the RAID 1 two disk set, the RAID controller can read from either disk which gives you a doubling in read performance. Most disk access is reading. I re-install the OS and the software I use regularly on the new RAID 1 set. Even without redeploying the disk that came with the new PC a RAID 1 two disk set (2 x read performance, very slightly slower write performance) you'll find the PC runs much faster.
With the disk that comes with the new PC you configure it to hold 'temporary data'. Re-configure windows/linux/whatever so that the pagefile, browser cache, %temp%, patches, porn library, seldom used software, etc gets written to the non-raided drive. If you have a 'back-up' plan you can also place data which you can live without for a day or two on this drive.
The net effect is that you'll have a disk subsystem at a very low price that screams along and provides much higher levels of resiliance. The down side is that it costs a bit more to set up and consumes a bit more power.
When it comes to upgrading the PC you can simply move the RAID card and disks to the new PC. Now you'll have 4 disks. Two disks in a RAID 1 mirror set and two temp disks. You can turn the two temp disks into another RAID 1 mirror set if you wish. I generally don't as one is usually enough.
Eventually, say after 5 years, you'll find the two disks in the RAID 1 set are slower than the newer disks. Newer PC disks have more onboard cache, better firmware, higher bus speeds, etc.
You can, depending on the RAID card, simply pull out one old slow disk, put in a newer fast one, reboot the PC, the RAID card will rebuild the new disk to be a mirror of the other, then replace the old disk and repeat. Hey presto. The two disk drives in the RAID 1 mirror set are brand new and you get two older disks to play with. RAID cards are generally very reliable as they have few moving parts. Vendors are also providing upgrade paths for them now too so that in the event of failure; or more likely to take advantage of motherboard improvements (e.g. faster bus); you can simply replace the card. (If you're doing this tho I'd re-new the disks attached to the RAID card at the same time.)
My home PC is set up as above. My work PC has been renewed twice in the last 8 years and still uses the drive that came with the first PC and a drive that came with second. And the RAID card has been upgraded once and the two disks in the RAID set renewed when one of them failed. Result? Six years without a system failure and a very quick PC for all that time! (BTW, my work PC runs VM Ware as the host OS with my windows 'PC' being a guest OS that runs as a virtualised PC. PC has 4 gig of RAM and is quite happy hosting up to 8 windows/linux images depending on what I prototyping or playing with at the time.)
What to do with old disks or a broken disk? Throw them away? BUT NOT BEFORE YOU PUT A SCREWDRIVER THROUGH THEM. If you don't - the data on the drive can be recovered and you could be exposed. Don't throw them in the bin. Most PC shops have re-cycling programs. Just drop them in next time you're there.
disclaimer: appologies to fellow techies for some of the termonology; e.g. RAID 1 mirror set; but I thought it best to be as clear as possible for those who don't work in the industry.
absolut-advance
18-01-2009, 08:40 AM
Hi peat,
One gig of RAM for a dual-core PC; i.e. a modern one; is quite low. If you're running Vista (another memory hog) then 1 gig is way too low. I'd suggest the ROI with at least another gig would be significant.
Most modern PCs are capabale of taking 4 gig but with 2 gig the next thing to look at is your disk subsystem.
One disk is basically not enough and exposes you to quite a bit of risk. With 12 or more windows open, and apps like MM which run constantly whether you're in the MM windows or not (not to mention the increasing numbers of windows services/background services/deamons running, your single disk becomes a major bottleneck at boot time and whenever these backgroud fire scheduled/housekeeping processes. The risk element is that a single disk failure and you're out for days trying to recover everything.
When I buy a new PC I buy a cheap RAID card and two extra disks. $50 card and $200 for the disks. I then set the two disks up as RAID 1 config. RAID 1 is mirroring which means that each of the two disks has the same data so that if one fails the system keeps running giving you time to replace the failed disk. (A two disk RAID 1 set coming up in windows as a single 'drive'.)
You also get a performance boost as when reading from the RAID 1 two disk set, the RAID controller can read from either disk which gives you a doubling in read performance. Most disk access is reading. I re-install the OS and the software I use regularly on the new RAID 1 set. Even without redeploying the disk that came with the new PC a RAID 1 two disk set (2 x read performance, very slightly slower write performance) you'll find the PC runs much faster.
With the disk that comes with the new PC you configure it to hold 'temporary data'. Re-configure windows/linux/whatever so that the pagefile, browser cache, %temp%, patches, porn library, seldom used software, etc gets written to the non-raided drive. If you have a 'back-up' plan you can also place data which you can live without for a day or two on this drive.
The net effect is that you'll have a disk subsystem at a very low price that screams along and provides much higher levels of resiliance. The down side is that it costs a bit more to set up and consumes a bit more power.
When it comes to upgrading the PC you can simply move the RAID card and disks to the new PC. Now you'll have 4 disks. Two disks in a RAID 1 mirror set and two temp disks. You can turn the two temp disks into another RAID 1 mirror set if you wish. I generally don't as one is usually enough.
Eventually, say after 5 years, you'll find the two disks in the RAID 1 set are slower than the newer disks. Newer PC disks have more onboard cache, better firmware, higher bus speeds, etc.
You can, depending on the RAID card, simply pull out one old slow disk, put in a newer fast one, reboot the PC, the RAID card will rebuild the new disk to be a mirror of the other, then replace the old disk and repeat. Hey presto. The two disk drives in the RAID 1 mirror set are brand new and you get two older disks to play with. RAID cards are generally very reliable as they have few moving parts. Vendors are also providing upgrade paths for them now too so that in the event of failure; or more likely to take advantage of motherboard improvements (e.g. faster bus); you can simply replace the card. (If you're doing this tho I'd re-new the disks attached to the RAID card at the same time.)
My home PC is set up as above. My work PC has been renewed twice in the last 8 years and still uses the drive that came with the first PC and a drive that came with second. And the RAID card has been upgraded once and the two disks in the RAID set renewed when one of them failed. Result? Six years without a system failure and a very quick PC for all that time! (BTW, my work PC runs VM Ware as the host OS with my windows 'PC' being a guest OS that runs as a virtualised PC. PC has 4 gig of RAM and is quite happy hosting up to 8 windows/linux images depending on what I prototyping or playing with at the time.)
What to do with old disks or a broken disk? Throw them away? BUT NOT BEFORE YOU PUT A SCREWDRIVER THROUGH THEM. If you don't - the data on the drive can be recovered and you could be exposed. Don't throw them in the bin. Most PC shops have re-cycling programs. Just drop them in next time you're there.
disclaimer: appologies to fellow techies for some of the termonology; e.g. RAID 1 mirror set; but I thought it best to be as clear as possible for those who don't work in the industry.
Thank you for this very good post Belgarion I found it very informative and useful, I intend to set up my Desktop system as above.
AA
no matter how much ram you have Marketmaker is still a pig tho.... a raid setup wont solve that.
even with 4 gig I find if I load MM first other applications crap out when I start them. eg Outlook cant locate pst file I mean WTF? But as soon as you close MM suddenly it can find the pst lol... So I open MM as the last programme I intend to use and that seems to work better.... And yes it also helps if you dont open heaps of charts simultaneousy so I set up a few different layouts which I can change to
belgarion
19-01-2009, 06:09 AM
peat, Can you list the specs of your pc including all h/w and software (and whether its 32bit or 64bit software) that you run? Also how big is your page file. MM's a hog but I don't remeber it being that bad. Ta.
peat, Can you list the specs of your pc including all h/w and software
no
:rolleyes: dont need tech support belg thanks...
belgarion
19-01-2009, 12:12 PM
No problem.
Marketmaker plays havoc with my Sinclair ZX Spectrum......... unable to play Pac-man at the same time
http://htomc.dns2go.com/anim/anim/pacman3.gif
dumbass
19-01-2009, 03:12 PM
just scored this beauty off trade me.
put it straight in the pool room.
http://hankandwillie.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/old-computer-image.jpg
belgarion
19-01-2009, 03:47 PM
Marketmaker plays havoc with my Sinclair ZX Spectrum......... unable to play Pac-man at the same time
LOL ... I didn't know you were that old Arco! :D ... But not as old me who remembers programming Market Maker 0.1 on a ZX81 ... ;)
belgarion
19-01-2009, 03:49 PM
just scored this beauty off trade me.
put it straight in the pool room.
http://hankandwillie.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/old-computer-image.jpg
Auckland Uni used to have something slightly more modern ... and they used it to heat the entire building ...
MM thread becomes the joke thread :o
(not that surprising tho)
Anyone checked to see if it will work on this
http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t373/T373925A.jpg (http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t373/T373925A.jpg)
Thumpa
19-01-2009, 09:06 PM
Marketmaker plays havoc with my Sinclair ZX Spectrum......... unable to play Pac-man at the same time
http://htomc.dns2go.com/anim/anim/pacman3.gif
I upgraded the 16k memory to 48k on my speccy. I can play Jet-Set Willy now......
http://www.cmcmarkets.com.au/en/content/open_an_account/special_offer.jsp
"No Loss Trade Day, only available with new accounts, allows you to develop your trading technique by placing real trades on the TIQ Aussie 200, using our Marketmaker® trading platform, with a safety net. If you’re a first-time CFD trader, or you want time to practise, your No Loss Trade Day is the one day you can relax and dedicate yourself to learning.
When you’re on the money, you keep it all. If the market moves against you, we’ll wear the loss.
This limited, two-CFD exposure, on the TIQ Aussie 200 and on your chosen No Loss Trade Day only, will give you valuable experience for real-life trading. It’s a great way to build confidence."
A bit too good to be true?
using the triangle function to create winged creatures....
anybody managed to upgrade successfully tonight?
I restarted the app to do so and cant connect to update anymore.... :(
BRICKY
27-08-2009, 09:04 PM
I had a go but no luck either
TTrader
27-08-2009, 10:50 PM
Just trying here now it has gone through fine... anyone else having problems still?
CMC have just offered MarketMaker as a web application. No install required.
Checking it out I am well impressed. Really aesthetic, responsive and pretty much fully functional.
CMC have just offered MarketMaker as a web application. No install required.
Checking it out I am well impressed. Really aesthetic, responsive and pretty much fully functional.
have you compared it to IG Markets offering (also web based).
nope I havent CG but the Oanda platform is web based and I use that....
I havent done an indepth analysis of the web side of MarketMaker but theres not really any need to as it is obviously a port , in that the interface is similar. But it may alleviate some issues for people as it doesnt appear to be as hungry for memory via the browser.
Mainly just letting people know there is another option now.
Market Maker now incorporates its own TA tools
I'm just starting to look at it today but it looks awesome !
it will identify and draw wedges triangles and channels and plot targets for them
it will identify head and shoulders and double and triple top/bottoms
it will identify about 50 different candle patterns.
it will go and search on any of the instuments and report back what its found
or you can apply it to your own instruments looking for partic patterns or candles.
I know others have provided pattern recognition software including Steve Nison and I went to some seminar a couple of years back and they wanted thousands for the software plus they charged for their proprietary data feed.
CMC have added this for free !
it didnt find the wedge that EWI mentioned on Aug 8th re the SP500 that worked brilliantly though so it doesnt replace the human skill factor completely but it looks very educational if nothing else. I will post some pictures later one after I calm down a bit heh
Silverlight
01-09-2010, 11:54 AM
Hey Peat, are you quite good with marketmaker?
One thing with the software i have never enjoyed is trying to save shapes, lines, markers etc on the graphs, esp. when looking across hundreds of instruments.
When ever i change to another chart it wipes all the added information.
Got any tips/ hints.
do you make different layouts (groups of charts) and then save them ?
when you save a layout it will retain your drawings when you re-open it.
I have various layouts with a number of charts in each for different times of the day eg when the NZ mkt is open or not.
that way I dont need to have too many charts open at once but I can swap around amongst them easily.
Manage the layouts with the Layout Manager and set your default one there.
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