Another Hamas leader killed- revenge on the cards

[Benlamnz]

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/18/1082226615690.html

Our Jewish mates done it again. Now the world will hold its breath and wait for another Madrid style revenge.

From an investor's point of view this sucks. Just when the US and Japan are showing some life and kicking out of the recession doldrum, now more security threats. I expect all the airlines and airports to drop on monday. My beloved MAP is in a predicament where it owns Rome and Sydney Kingsford Smith- prime target for sabotage due to their respective Prime Ministers- Belusconi- fit to run a soccer club but an embarassment as a statesman; and Deputy Sheriff Howard 's collective stupuidy to kiss George Bush's behind all the way to Iraq. AIA holders should breath a collective sigh cos Helen Clark, for all her other failings, steer NZ clear of this mess.

[bongo66]

Excellent news. It has made my day.

[Krustytheclown]

I admire decisive Israeli (pinpoint) action targeting the killers of school children on buses.
These low life militants wont fight scumbag to soldier-they choose easy kills.
Rid the world of these Fundamentalist scumbags.
They mark themselves with crosshairs!!

Here, here to the gunships!!

GREGOR.

They are being very humane They could have taken out a lot more armed terorists at the hate parade after the death of this leader who promoted terorism. They could have let the helicopters loose on the parade.

[Major von Tempsky]

Well done the Israelis!
The only democracy in the Middle East - yes Israeli Arabs (those living in Israel) have the vote and their political party in Parliament even formed part of one coailition government.

As was said this guy Rantissi was well known for his gloating face on TV after the latest suicide bombing atrocities killing babies, women and children, innocent civilians.

An interesting thought is that the barbarian Palestinians may be running out of firepower - a month since Yassin copped it and no effective reply. The new wall must be doing its stuff. It's interesting that similar walls/boundaries provided effective solutions in Cyprus (the Green Line) and in Belfast.

[Placebo]

Well I don't know anything about Cyprus but I'd suggest the Peace Line in Belfast was anything but useful. All it did was provide a physical marker of a division that existed previously. And most of the worst IRA atrocities happened well after it was set up (Enniskillen, Omagh, Armagh).

Interesting you'd bring N Ireland into it though. If the Palestinians looked at Ulster they might be encouraged to keep fighting -- it's proof that terrorism is an effective form of diplomacy. It took about 80 years (longer if you count the origins through the 19th Century) for bombings and terrorism to get the Irish Republicans to the negotiating table, and any sort of role in power sharing in N Ireland. Israel was only established in 1946, and the current intifada only goes back to 2001. In the IRA's case it took a change of Government (to Labour in 97) for a significant change to occur. Even so, the situation now (most convicted terrorists released, IRA in a near-permanent ceasefire, weapons surrendering negotiations proceeding, power sharing in combined house of representatives) would have been unthinkable 20 years ago.

Obviously N Ireland never had the same impact on geo-politics as Israel has, but who's to say what the political landscape will be like in 20 years time. There will be a lot of battle fatigue by then.

[craic]

I must be just about as far right as you can get without falling off the edge but I have never been happy with the way the Jews treat the Palestinians. They stole their land and drove them into refugee camps and continue to treat them like animals, sorry I meant vermin. For those who live inside Israel, the situation is not much better. They are bullied and dispossessed of their land and property whenever it suits the Israelis. The position of the US in this matter is based, not on the view of the American people as a whole but rather on the strength of the Jewish voting block in US politics.

Placebo, you seem to ignore the fact that there were two sides in the Ulster dispute. I know, I was there. I am a Catholic Republican from Dublin,My uncle was one of the leaders in 1916 and 22 and went on to be a founding father of the Irish Labour Party as well as a senator and General Sec. of the Irish Transport and general Workers Union. I spent three years in the Royal Ulster Rifles. Irish catholics in Ulster protested against perceived repression and were attacked at Buntollet and Londonderry. At that stage the IRA was was an ineffectual/intellectual group, concerned with language culture and the like
Sorry to say I have broken the pledge I made to myself to keep away from topics that are not directly related to shares.

[J. Holmes]

Those who suggest that this killing is lawful and acceptable should take a reality check. Labelling the Palestinians as murderers and baby killers etc is only looking at one side of the story. Would it then be acceptable if Sharon was killed while driving from his home?

Craic's post is right on the money. Their land has been stolen and they have been driven to live in squaler in refugee camps, even their most basic everyday movements have been limited beyond belief to allow a few Israelis in illegal settlements to live. Every single civil right that we take for granted has been denied. So they fight back. They have no (or very little) conventional weapons to fight "legitimately" or "solider to soldier" as referred to by Gregoroius so they strap explosives to themselves. While not condoning the killing of innocent civilians one must understand that this is arises from absolute frustration by anyone to take their cause seriously. Israel has the US in their back pocket and as long as the world denys the existence of this problem (and where it has its genesis) there will never be peace.

Those who are not prepared to die for a cause are not fit to live - MLK.

Think about both sides of the story before taking the side of CNN.

[belgarion]

The Israeli occupying forces (IOF) violently confronted with the demonstrations that erupted after the extrajudicial execution of Hamas leader Dr. Abdel Aziz Al Rantisi, shooting three children and wounding them, two of them critically. (http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0404/S00191.htm) Sorry, I must have missed something ... Exactly who are the terrorists again?

cantab said ... "I think one or two others need to get a reality check, these guys are terrorists, if you can't capture them you kill them, it's as simple as that" ... Funny thing cantab ... I apply the same red-necked, faith-based decision making to Bush and his merry band of terrorists although I think killing them is far to good for them. BTW ... Bush is rapidly approaching the same 'body count' that Saddam was supposed to have inflicted on the Iraqi people ... mind you, Bush is doing far better as he's doing it in less time ... at the current rate, Bush should surpass Saddam by the end of the year. That's pretty good going considering his 'less than startling' intellect. Makes you proud to be an American!

craic, excellent post. I glad we can agree on something.

[Capitalist]

L'Chaim! Am Yisrael chai!

God Bless our troops and God Bless America.

Listen to "Karma Police" by Radiohead and look at the lovely graphics here http://www.serenitysjournal.com

When the only peace the enemy says it will accept is the removal of Israel of the map. They will have to be careful that Israel does not remove Palestine from the map. Because rather than surrender if it becomes necessary Israel will go to the extreme of wiping several Arab nieghbours of the map as well even if it means they wipe out there own population as well. Remeber it is more effective to kill one chief than one hundred indians.

[HarryFlashman]

Next time someone goes on about the Israelis "stealing" land from the Palestinians, please remember Israel was set up by the UN ... the same UN all appeasers and Axis of Weasel fans believe so strongly in because it is a useless talking shop that provides a comforting alternative to taking effective action.

The formation of Israel was accelerated by those well-known Fascist oppressors Sweden and Denmark whilst the US and UK were pondering what to do.

The UN (incl the two above named Fascist warmongers) were quite keen to take action after the second world war during which those with little knowledge of history may be surprised to hear a deranged Austrian watercolourist managed to cause the deaths of about 20m people incl 6m Jews.

Hamas have as their declared aim the desire to go one better than Hitler and exterminate the Jews. You lefties have some strange heroes.

As for the permanent removal of another gloating Hamas nutter (and a doctor too - strange Hypocratic oath these pschos must swear) all I can say is FAN BLOODY TASTIC. Hamas were previously vowing death and destruction to Israel and they still are - spot the difference. All I can see is their leaders are now quaking in their bunkers like that courageous Mr Arafat.

Here's to the next targetted assassination. I support Israel's right to defend itself by taking out these vermin and look forward to reading about more of them.

Cheers
Harry

[Krustytheclown]

Those who are apologists for the evil Hamas, Hisbollah, Al Quaeda, and other houses of terror must study their stated "Holy tasks".

All such groups have vowed the total destruction of Isreal (western interests in general)-no compromise! The killing of Jews is talked of with passion.

These groups and their predecessors have continually taken sly potshots at Jews/Isrealis for the last 150 years- in recent history.

When all surrounding countries launched/threatened (1967 and 1973) all out war with Isreal (to destroy all Jews/Isreal) these terror groups piled into the effort only to have their collective butts kicked!!!

A Nations foremost task is to protect its citizens-that includes 1 million Arab Isrealis!

Isreal has my support for it self defence.

Disc-Not Jewish.

GREGOR.

[Capitalist]

A "joke"

The Prime Minister of Israel, Ariel Sharon, sits down with Mahmoud Abbas at the beginning of negotiations to resolve the conflict. Ariel Sharon requests that he be allowed to begin with a story, to which Abbas agrees.

Sharon begins his story:

"Years before the Israelites came to the Promised Land and settled here, Moses led them for 40 years through the desert. The Israelites began complaining that they were thirsty and, lo and behold, a miracle occurred and a stream appeared before them. They drank their fill and then decided to take advantage of the stream to do some bathing - including Moses.

When Moses came out of the water, he found that all his clothing was missing. 'Who took my clothes?' Moses asked those around him.

'It was the Palestinians,' replied the Israelites..."

"Wait a minute," objected Abbas immediately, "there were no Palestinians during the time of Moses!"

"And on that note," replied Ariel Sharon, "let's begin our negotiations."

[skinny]

Ah very droll.

But as someone with a side-interest in early movements of peoples through the world & their genetic markers I am obliged to point out that they are all sons of Abraham, mores the pity.

[boring]

I still think a grand opportunity was lost with the beak-down of the Clinton-brokered peace plan between Arafat and Barak. Barak ceded sovereignty of East-Jerusalem & Temple Mount but Arafat rejected plan because it did not address the right of return of Palestinian refugees back into Israeli land. Barak lost power because the Isrealis no longer believed that agreement with Palestinians would ever be reached and voted in a hardliner. And now we have this mess.

B4 you foreign affairs "experts" crucify me for glossing over a complex issue rather simplistically, my point is "can there ever be brokered peace when there is such generational inbred hatred between parties and contrasting demands with no middle ground ?" Probably not and conflict is inevitable ... unless the stakes are so high that both parties face annihilation and are forced back in to the negotiating table. That that's why the Hamas etc scare the hell out of me, not sure they respect or appreciate the consequences.

Where is the coalition of the willing to take out these terrorists that are threatening & terrorising Israel This might lead to peace an attack by the coalition of the willing after say a 90 day Deadline to stop their terrorist actions. Remember the Iraq war was to prevent Terrorism, So was afghanistan so why are they not lining up against Palestine. So Belgarion must have been right the Iraq war was about Oil.

Boring The Popes proposal for Jerusalem of make it a seperate country controlled internationally with international police etc would in MO make a start in defusing some of the bickering.

[Krustytheclown]

One mans terri.........yeah yeah yeah -very old Palestinian saying...

The incident a few years back when a "mother" in Gaza pushed her 6 year old daughter in front of a moving Israeli tank- "the Tank solder killed my daughter"!!!- yeah, yeah-hogwash!!

Those "Mothers and Fathers" that take their children into violent/hostile protests (protesters cajoling into the air semi' and automatic weapons) are irresponsible no-goods!!! They are to blame if their kid is next to a militant gunman and they cop a misjudged Isreali bullet. Its these same poor kids that are brow beaten in strapping on explosive vests to become "Homocide bombers"-then sent forth to the nearest pizza bar or school bus!!
These tactics are what you liberals support??-sick!!

Fact: Israeli defence force does not target ordinary citizens presenting no threat.

GREGOR.

[J. Holmes]

Gregor - I am pleased that you have inside knowledge of the Israeli defence force tactics and can solemnly swear that the Israelis do not kill innocent civilians. Absolute rubbish.

Let me stress that I am not a raving leftie but as long as the world ignores this issue the middle-east situation will never stabilise. Israelis branding the Palestinians as terrorists is a classic example of the pot calling the kettle black. Using unconventional warfare does not make you a terrorist.

I do not support Bin Liner or Al Qaeda (or any of its various forms) - the issue here is Palestine. Either way, I don't think any of us will see peace in our lifetimes on this issue. If only both sides had been given rugby balls instead of half of the worlds heavy ordinance

[miner]

Umm who was it? during WW2 that got there land etc taken put in camps had walls build around them to then have a road put through the middle of it so they could wait all day while a few used it(Warsaw Ghetto)etc etc???.

And what did they do ?,fight back as anyone would but with small arms explosives etc as they had no tanks plans etc,resistance(fredom) fighters(or as we say now terrorists?,hell no I hear them cry,ok so then the Palistinians are resisance fredom fighters?,hell no I hear them cry).

So when they put Palistinians in a walled in ghetto thats ok and they should not fight back? and just except slowly getting wiped out?.

Now before someone jumps down my throat I am NOT saying the two situations are exactly the same but that some of the tactics being used are,and they didnt work then so they won't work now(ANY people put in this situation WILL fight back,we all would).

If you swaped things over and Israel was the one walled in in a ghetto again there would be a world outcry,sad how what happened to one race is now being used against another,history repeats yet again.

[Placebo]

Miner I agree with most of what u say. Then again, it's hard making a case against a people with a 2000-year-old persecution complex;)


quote:Fact: Israeli defence force does not target ordinary citizens presenting no threat.

I can't imagine a more ridiculous statement. This is the army that shells apartment blocks indiscriminately, having justified the action because the town is a "nest of vipers".

There are no good guys here -- it is a very dirty war which NZ is now in the midst of with the passport scam. NZ isn't insulated from this stuff any more. Need further proof the world is now a village?

[miner]

Hi Placebo watched a program a while ago in which Israelis said that they are the aggressor.

What happened to them in the past will NEVER happen again,so the best form of defence is attack.

[miner]

aspex they made up that handy word"antisemetic"(oop's if spelt wrong) for people like you.

Good way to shut people up though who dont aggree with what they are doing.

[willy_wonker]

quote:Originally posted by J. Holmes

If only both sides had been given rugby balls instead of half of the worlds heavy ordinance


I have a funny feeling that there are powerful allied forces that wants the conflict between Isreal and Palistine to continue and never end. The motives and the politics behind the scene are far more evil than the surface appearance.

[belgarion]

quote:Originally posted by Placebo


There are no good guys here -- it is a very dirty war which NZ is now in the midst of with the passport scam. NZ isn't insulated from this stuff any more. Need further proof the world is now a village?


Seems the world is very much a village and the village idiots are in charge ...

Israel to target Hamas in exile

Following this weekend's killing of the Hamas leader, Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi, the Israeli Government plans to resume targeting enemies living in countries beyond its control, according to reports from the Israeli cabinet. (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082357118446.html)

... personally, I'll be pretty pissed off if they export their 'killing fields' to NZ!

[Capitalist]

Holocaust Remembrance Day

Today 19 April, Jews commemorate Holocaust Day (Yom HaShoah) in Israel.

At 10.00AM this morning, the whole country stood still to observe two minutes silence and remember those who perished in the Holocaust.Today, we commemorate those who were murdered because they were Jewish. And we realize that today, over fifty years later, there are still Jews being murdered for the same reason.

[Krustytheclown]

Spare me!!
I give up!!

Go off and cuddle you poor misunderstood HAMAS and HISBOLLAH -Islamic fundamentalist -Sharia law imposing mates!
They deserve you admirers.

GREGOR.

[belgarion]

Holocaust Remembrance Day 2006

Today 19 April, Iraqis commemorate Holocaust Day in Iraq.

At 10.00AM this morning, the whole country stood still to observe two minutes silence and remember those who perished in the American Invasion. Today, we commemorate those who were murdered because they were Arab. And we realize that today, over five years later, there are still Arab being murdered for the same reason ... Arab have something that industrialised countries do not ... Cheap Oil.

[Krustytheclown]

I support everyones right to put accros their own views. I would defend your right!

Some of the Isreali population actively protests the actions of their own Defence Force -who I agree are sometimes seen as over vigorous in their dealings with Palestinian militants/leadership of such groups.

The Isreali population are free to do such protests.

If the liberals amoung this group attempted to protest in the face of Hamas -for instance,(as Isreali protest in front of its own security force) about the bombing of Jewish school buses- "you would not be alive today!!!"

You may be liberal-just remember Terrorists aint.

GREGOR.

[boring]

Aspex you said:

"Mind you local police fired THREE shots into a man-----
-----the last one at least as he was retiring from them."

Eye witness says: "He kept advancing on them. That's what I was really freaking out about. I heard the pop; he kept advancing. I heard another pop and he kept advancing. After the third pop he walked backwards and stumbled down."

Another local resident told the Herald police shouted at the man to "Put down the knife, put down the knife".
She then heard them yell "Stop, stop, stop" before the shots were fired. "He was going for one of them [police officers]." She said the man was two to three metres away from the officer when he was shot.

Wait until the results of any investigation/inquiry b4 you jump to your conclusions. You sound like you have already pre-determined foul play b4 all the facts have come to light. Typical of your sort.

[miner]

Aspex sorry wasnt trying to say you are anti-semetic just that anyone who voices an opinion that questions what they do gets that label slaped on them,which tends to shut them up or keep them quiet in the first place.

[dinosaur]

Looks like the Israeli's are not the only ones killing leaders, but it's funny how you won't find the lefties like Keith whatshisname jumping up and down over it(or the media).

Back in February a former Chechen President was killed when his car was hit by a blast in Qatar. His son was also in the car. At the time the Russians were suspected of being involved in that.

Just like the US, the Russians have thier own Iraq in Chechnya,
but it's hard to find in the media a telly of the number of civilians or Russian troops killed in the fighting.

a recent extract from the NZ Herald
"MOSCOW - Russian troops have killed four Chechen rebels linked to guerrilla leader Shamil Basayev near Chechnya this weekend, capping a week-long crackdown on separatists in the turbulent Caucasus region.

The leader of Arab fighters in Muslim Chechnya, Saudi-born Abu al-Waleed al-Ghamdi with close links to Basayev, was among those killed there in recent days, his brother said on Sunday.

More than 10 rebels, including Wahhabi militants, were killed in planned "special operations" by Russian troops in the mountainous region last week, news agencies reported. Wahhabism is a strict Islamic sect dominant in Saudi Arabia."

[Capitalist]

Hamas have put a want ad in leading newspapers :D

http://www.67valiant.com/images/hamas-ad.jpg

[Nightmare]

quote:Originally posted by aspex

greg,
So overnight the Israeli soldiers shot four protesters dead-----

----for throwing stones at their armoured vehicles,

WOW!

Mind you local police fired THREE shots into a man-----

-----the last one at least as he was retiring from them.


Maybe there are thugs on the side of Might everywhere.

BTW Do not read Might as right or Right:(


Anyone who pulls weapons on cops and members of the public - shoot the bastards dead.

Freaking liberal lily heart hypocrites like Aspex - didn't read anything from you when cops are killed on the job.

[Capitalist]

From The Rott

Memo

This is an automated reply from the Bull**** Detector at The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler.

In order to prevent another thread being hijacked, and to send your message to the appropriate department for response (FOAD, GAZE, Go Away Gordon, or The Bus To Rachel Corrie’s Tomb Is Leaving - Be Sure You’re Under It), kindly reply to the following questions:


Are you aware that the Disputed Territories never belonged to the “Palestinians” and only came into Israeli possession as a result of the 1967 six day war in which Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon all massed forces at Israel’s border in order to “push the Jews into the sea”. The Arabs lost and Israel took control of the land. Do you agree that if the Koranimals don’t want to lose territory to Israel, then they shouldn’t start wars? Do you agree that there is justice that Israel, who as far back as 1948 has always sought peace with her far larger neighbors, should live in prosperity - making the desert bloom - while the residents of 19 adjacent Arab countries who are blessed with far more land as well as oil wealth live in their own feces?

Did you know that the “Palestinians” could have had their own country as far back as 1948 had they accepted the UN sponsored partition plan which gave Israel AND the Palestinians a countries of their own on land which Jews had lived on for thousands of years before Mohammed ever had a wet dream about virgins? The Arabs rejected the UN offer and went to war with the infant Israeli nation. The Arabs lost and have been whining about it ever since. Do you agree this is like a murderer who kills his parents and asks for special treatment since he is now an orphan?


Can you tell us ANY Arab country which offers Jews the right to be citizens, vote, own property, businesses, be a part of the government or have ANY of the rights which Israeli Arabs enjoy? Any Arab country which gives those rights to Christians? How about to other Arabs? Wouldn’t you just LOVE to be a citizen of Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iran, or Syria?


Since as many Jews (approximately 850,000) were kicked out of Arab countries as were Arabs who left present day Israel (despite being literally begged to stay), why should Arabs be permitted to return to Israel if Jews aren’t allowed to set foot in Arab countries? Can you explain why Arabs can worship freely in Israel but Jews would certainly be hung from street lamps after having their intestines devoured by an Arab mob if they so much as entered an Arab country?


Israel resettled and absorbed all of the Jews from Arab countries who wished to become Israelis. Why haven’t any Arab countries offered to resettle Arabs who were displaced from Israel, leaving them to rot for 60 years in squalid refugee camps? And why are those refugee camps still there? Could it be that the billions of dollars that the UNWRA has sent there goes to terrorist groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, El Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, or Hezbollah? How did Yassir Arafat achieve his $300 million in wealth? Why aren’t these funds distributed for humanitarian use?


Did you know that the Arabs in the disputed territories (conquered by Israel in the 1967 war which was started by Arabs) and who are not Israelis already have two countries right now? And that they are called Egypt and Jordan?


If your complaint is about the security fence which Israel is finally building in the Disputed Territories, are you aware that it is built solely to keep the “brave” Arab terrorists out so that they can no longer self detonate on busses, in dining halls or pizzerias and kill Jewish grandmothers and schoolchildren? Why are the Arabs so brave when they target unarmed civilians but even when they outnumber their opponents they get their sandy asses kicked all the way to Mecca when they are faced with Jewish soldiers? Why do Arab soldiers make the French look like super heroes?


Please explain why you are so concerned about Arabs, who possess 99% of the land in this region and are in control of the world’s greatest natural resource,

[Sharpie]

Agree with nightmare.

Good on the cop. There is enough pressure on frontline Police to perform their duty as it is. Before a cop pulls the trigger they have to think about the fact that they will be stood down while an investigation is carried out and be persecuted by the media and uninformed members of the public for the duration of this investigation and longer.

With all that in mind I think they must have had a good reason to shoot.

As for there being 3 shots. Police shoot to incapacitate and there is nothing more dangerous than a wounded animal.

[Placebo]

So, Cap, from that diatribe I take it you won't be out marching against the Foreshore legislation?

The arguments about who was there first and who has committed the lesser of 2 evils is, to me, beside the point. If you wanted to, you could argue that it was the Israelis who were there first. But then, Moses led them to the promised land, where they kicked out somebody else.

The key question is how to resolve what's happening now. A lot of heat and not much light comes out of these discussions (having read most of them... whew!). I expect if anyone had the solution, they would be sitting at Kofi Annan's right hand about now. Anyone for a career in diplomacy.

And just a comment on the latest police shooting, as said above, let's wait till all the facts are out. Another Stephen Wallace? The lesson from that is that you can hold all the inquiries you like but people will still seek to vilify you for doing your job.

All I can say is I wouldn't want to be a police officer faced with that situation.

[whatsup]

Placebo, Why for your sake(or for nobodies sake )do you have to bring up that DIP STICK Stephen Wallace's name, he would be here now (still smashing shop windows with a golf club ) if he were not such a DIP STICK -hero that he was. Between P and the Golf club he wasnt tooooooo clever was he , dissagree with that and it will really show your colours.

[Placebo]

I'm fairly relaxed about the whole Stephen Wallace thing. Just pointing out there are similarities. Particularly the 3 shots. This guy ain't dead tho.

[whatsup]

My above posting was said In My Humble Opinion, Thank you.

[Krustytheclown]

Keep in mind you hug a Hamas/criminal folk- It takes what it takes to stop a lethal threat!!
Be it in the legal democracy of Isreal or NZ! (Or even the Isreali safety barrier against further neighbourly aggression-disputed territory). Good item Cap!!

Anyone remember Aramoana- David Gray (criminal citizen/cop killing scum) He collected 17 shots before finally collapsing!!
Three shots is very restrained!

Interesting to see a small group here in the Keith Locke fan club! I suppose you lot (K. L fans) want to free Aaac medd TERROR Zawee as well??
NOT ME!!!

GREGOR.

[Capitalist]

:D:D:D

Next time you are on radio Greg, if someone asks you about the fall in NOG, I graciously suggest some replies...

"I blame The Jew."
"Bush Knew."
"It's all about the oiiiilllll!"
"Conspiracy theorists, can you spare me a dime?"
"This is a joke, right? You never know with The Jew. His myth-making powers are stong, and he is nothing if not persuasive."
"Can I start the bombing yet?"

Heh....hmmmm.....[B)]

[stormrose]

Given the "outpouring of revenge" after Yassin was killed, I'm not picking much will happen now. More a continuation of the same old.
The Israelis reckon the incidence of terror in the non-palestinian territories is decreasing. Partly the "chopping off the heads", hitting high profile targets, and building walls.

There's a difference between protesting and fighting. Stone throwing is not protesting; stone throwing is assault with a weapon aka combat. The Israelis are very restrained here, esp. since they have more accurate, smaller, and lethal lead-based "rocks" in 30+ round clips to "throw" back.

Cap: I agree with the theme of your posting, though it contains a few minor errors of fact. So minor they don't bother mentioning since they change little. (mind you, what's history but fable agreed upon)

Bush's comments about Israel's actions have strained USA relations further with other middle-easten countries. Maybe it's a "so-what?" call by Bush. At least it provides a news smoke screen for some of the messier (but necessary) things the coalition are doing to stabilise Iraq.

I pity the copper/s that fired the shots into that knife wielding dude. Officers who kill, or seriously injure, others end up traumatised and often leave the force. I wonder if such officers could sue the person they shot (or their estate) for loss of earning potential or something.

The police dude on TV's comment made me chuckle though. Paraphrased: "The officers involved will be SUBJECTED TO counselling." Heh.

[Nightmare]

Where's that scumbag Aspex today? No comment from him on the killing of school children incinerated in the Basra bomb blast.

Hell reserves a special place for scumbag hypocrites like him.

[marcer]

Hmmmmm, no one here seems to want to mention the fact that a lot of the land Israel has expanded into since its inception, coincidentally (of course) has the main water sources for that area of the middle east.

Yep hatred on both sides. My call is that terrorism will eventually work for the Palestinians, although the $6 billion or so in aid the US gives Israel every year, could make it a pretty long drawn out affair.

I believe the Pali's have had a pretty raw deal, and while not agreeing with Hamas etc tactics, I do see that they are perhaps the only ones that may get a result. I wonder what a passive resistance approach (ala Gandhi) would achieve???

Regards Marcer

Marcer before palestinians get what they want the abolition of Israel. There will be a nuclear desert in the Middle East. And if that is the only one we will be lucky. Have a read of On The Beach by Neville Shute. He also wrote What Happened To The Corbetts in 1938 that described life in London area of Britain in early 1940 to a "T"

[belgarion]

Marcer,

The Palestinians would get their way far, far faster if they changed their 'terrorist' tactics so they 'terrorised' the decision makers rather than the voting public. "Huh?", I hear you say!

The decision makers are the wealthy behind the govt. If the various palestinian groups actually started bombing strategic productive assets of those people and companies, they would find a compromise deal appears on the table real fast.

Q. Who'd want to be insuring the factory of a person or company that is on the 'hit list'.
A. Nobody.

Q. What person or company wants to carry out business without any insurance?
A. Nobody.

Q. Who wants to do significant business with a person or company when the supply of that person or company's goods might prove to be far from reliable?
A. Nobody.

It's a very simple tactic and most of these assets are 'soft' targets. Penalities are less if you ensure nobody is killed so you'll get more recruits. Also, a nice big fire makes for lots of TV so you'll still get the TV coverage. Also, you can make your case internationally when your 'hit list's assets are in foriegn countries. The important thing is not to kill anyone as this allows the extremists to take radical actions based on public outrage. (I've never really noticed the public being outraged when a multi-millionaire simply becomes a millionaire. In fact, they generally derive much perverse pleasure from it. ;))

A strategic change in tactics and this war of attrition would be over in no time. (Hope those idiots in Basra take note of this strategy! :()

[skinny]

:D:D Erm, its unlikely the idiots in Basra are reading this message board to take notice of your strategy. I mean its excellent of course but I doubt there is even any internet access :D:D

[mikescott]

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