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mikescott
05-06-2004, 06:34 PM
This be most bad reading I be seeing of companies they try to take monies off investors for themselves. This Jenny Ruth she be saying that this issue be costing $2.31 millions to raise $25 millions. This be meaning investors in fund they be left with 91 cents when they put $1.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If only $20 millions be raised which be underwriting amounts by ASB, then investors they be left with 88 cents when they put in $1.00. How this type of things be permission from government to be happening?

Jenny Ruth: In at the deep end for spa pool investors

04.06.2004
COMMENT
The BBQ Factory chain of stores doesn't look like too bad as a business, although profitability is a bit of an up and down affair.

Continuation of its growth is heavily dependent on sales of spa pools continuing to grow as fast as they have in the past few years.

Even with these qualifiers investors could be forgiven for wishing they could invest directly in BBQ Factory, rather than in the management company acquiring it, StoreFund.

This fund is offering investors extremely high issue costs and high continuing management fees coupled with the prospect of continuing demand for fresh capital or of being heavily diluted while at the same time the company pays out all its earnings in dividends.

StoreFund is aiming to raise $25 million plus another $5 million in over-subscriptions. If it manages to raise the full amount, the issue is estimated to cost $2.31 million, or 7.7 cents out of every $1 investors put in.

You only have to look at the issue costs of other recent floats to think this is excessive.

Take Just Water International, which estimated its $8.25 million capital raising would cost up to $500,000. Or Colville Equities whose up to $75 million issue is expected to cost $1.5 million. Or Pumpkin Patch which is aiming to raise between $97.2 million and $133.4 million at a cost to the company of $1.335 million (other float beneficiaries will pay the balance of costs expected to total $2.7 million).

The StoreFund prospectus breaks the costs down into $775,000 to its lead manager, ASB Securities, and brokerage costs, a further $325,000 to ASB in exchange for underwriting the issue to $20 million and $290,000 in accounting, auditing and legal fees.

On top of these costs, the future manager, North Head Management, is claiming $150,000 as a "consultancy fee", and a further $770,000 is to go on "NZX fees, prospectus printing and sundry costs".

StoreFund is paying $21.188 million for the BBQ Factory, $16.188 million from the float proceeds and $5 million in borrowings. $13.65 million of the purchase price will be goodwill and other intangibles.

That will mean that on June 30, when the BBQ purchase is completed, StoreFund's net tangible assets per share will be only 47 cents.

Assuming the float is successful, investors will then be up for fees of 1.75 per cent of the funds market value less any cash and, if the fund earns more than 12 per cent a year before tax, North Head will take 20 per cent of the excess.

In the year ending June 2005, this adds up to the fact that while the BBQ Factory is projected to post $3.685 million in earnings before interest, tax and amortisation (Ebita), StoreFund's Ebita over the same period will be just $2.755. In other words, $930,000 before interest, amortisation and tax disappears into the North Head structure.

While the management company has one large concrete investment prospect, as with any managed fund proposition, it is very much a case of asking investors to trust the manager.

The trio behind North Head are Wayne Walden, former managing director of the Farmers Deka retail business and present chairman of Maori Television among other directorships; Garry Bluett, who was Farmers' chief financial officer; and Leigh Davis of Jump Capital, previously with Fay Richwhite.

The BBQ Factory is owned by Roger Richwhite, brother of Fay Richwhite principal David Richwhite.

Walden says the family connection didn't play any part in StoreFund deciding to buy the BBQ Fa

Lawso
06-06-2004, 09:59 AM
Jenny Ruth is one of the best commentators around - a loss to The Independent and a gain for NZ Herald . She doesn't pontificate but gives a rational presentation of thf facts and figures and leaves room for sensible readers to come to their own conclusions.

I wouldn't have minded investing directly in BBQ Factory if given the opportunity but won't go near this MM StoreFund.

willy_wonker
06-06-2004, 05:24 PM
Why would you guys want to invest in BBQ factory? Where is the growth?

Willy wonders and scratches head.

Gryffyn
21-06-2004, 09:06 AM
Sunday Star times didn't like Storefront much either. Fees, fees and damned fees.

mikescott
21-06-2004, 10:49 PM
Full page advertisements no less by the company and ASB in the front most expensive sections of the newspapers! I wonder how much they cost and how desparate Storefund and ASB are getting!

One thing for sure - no need to wonder who's paying for those advertisements - the naive investors sucked in by the 10% yield and the full page advertisements.

These boys sure know how to spend!

floyd
30-06-2004, 05:47 PM
storefront not listing tomorrow..... maybe wont list at all?

zyreon
30-06-2004, 08:25 PM
minder they be trying to have the wool be over their eyes, that be the investors peril

they be having better luck in DFG and canwest, profits a plenty there be in them.

mikescott
30-06-2004, 08:57 PM
This must be unprecedented!

A company takes money in from the public on the basis of a public listing tomorrow - but without any explanations and without advising those investors (fools the better description) what's happening with their money, issues a statement saying that the float has been deferred.

Sounds like the underwriters (being ASB) are trying to weasel their way out of the underwriting after being lumped with a lot of stock. If the NZX allows this to happen, then the NZX is history from a credibility point of view. [xx(]

MeNoBatty
01-07-2004, 08:18 AM
Word on the street is that ASB have ended up with most of the stock.

CAM
01-07-2004, 10:37 AM
Well I guess they have found out that Mum and Dad have been shafted too many times and weren't about to be done again.

From a marketing point of view I would have thought it would have been easier to sell (hype)it to Joe Public during or leading up to BBQ season (summer) as opposed to trying to sell it in the depths of winter.

I guess ASB don't want 20 million shares. I wonder why? (tongue in cheek)

whiteheron
01-07-2004, 01:57 PM
Until IPO promoters learn that they can not squeeze every cent (and then some) out of potential investors then we will continue to see IPO failures
I believe that NZ investors in the main are somewhat more savvy than they have been in the past
To be successful promotors MUST leave some upside for investors or they will be doomed to fail
IPOs must stack up a bit more favourably than already listed shares where there are many opportunities and many excellent companies. Why would investors take on the extra risk of an IPO unless they are fairly assured of some extra reward??????????
When reviewing Prospectuses/Investment statements be vary wary if the promoters are exiting completely and watch the small print for the (hidden) ongoing benefits that the promoters will get at the expense of the new shareholders

mikescott
01-07-2004, 09:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by whiteheron

Until IPO promoters learn that they can not squeeze every cent (and then some) out of potential investors then we will continue to see IPO failures
I believe that NZ investors in the main are somewhat more savvy than they have been in the past
To be successful promotors MUST leave some upside for investors or they will be doomed to fail
IPOs must stack up a bit more favourably than already listed shares where there are many opportunities and many excellent companies. Why would investors take on the extra risk of an IPO unless they are fairly assured of some extra reward??????????
When reviewing Prospectuses/Investment statements be vary wary if the promoters are exiting completely and watch the small print for the (hidden) ongoing benefits that the promoters will get at the expense of the new shareholders


Strictly not correct. Have a look at ALH, JB Hi-Fi, Freightways, Promina and Pacific Brands as examples of promotors selling out and new investors making good money. In fact, fantastic money! :D:D:D

mikescott
02-07-2004, 08:31 AM
And judging by this morning's NZ Herald's article, ASB Bank will be running specials on spa pools, gas heaters and of course, BBQs very soon in its branches!:D:D:D

Soon you will be able to decide whether you want interest on your deposits or would you rather have a BBQ? ;)

lambton
02-07-2004, 07:02 PM
Deals off. ASB are buying the asset. I understand the ASB senior manager in charge of this rip is contemplating living without a bonus this year.
ASB are buying the asset directly. Who's stumpping up the $$$?
Not the Bank I bet.

jlebed
02-07-2004, 07:09 PM
Minder

Many a true word spoken in jest!

ASB Bank to Acquire the BBQ Factory
http://www.nzx.com/market/market_announcements/reg_announcements?id=102206

StoreFund Cancels Float
http://www.nzx.com/market/market_announcements/reg_announcements?id=102196

mikescott
03-07-2004, 09:00 AM
Good outcome for small investors sucked into putting money into StoreFund - they get their monies back. Big sigh of relief! :D

Good outcome for North Head Management - looks like they got a very nice settlement from ASB Bank for walking away from the management contract. They were spotted at the Occidental crying into their champagne - lots of tears of joy. [:p][:p][:p]

Outcome for ASB Bank? No IPO, no fees but lots of expenses and costs, bad publicity, loss of credibility and lots of egg all over the face. [xx(]

But ASB can still make this work well. Here's Minder looking forward to shopping at the numerous ASB bank branches for BBQs, Spa Pools and gas heaters when ASB launch its new business. :D:D:D:D:D

whatsup
03-07-2004, 11:18 AM
Just for the record who were/are the employees at the ASB who santioned/suggested/concieved this float/IPO so that we can steer clear of any of their future IPO"s/reccomendations!!!!? To the winners go the spoils ,the the vanquished the embarrasment/humilitation!

willy_wonker
03-07-2004, 02:16 PM
Thats what you get for dealing with a discount broker that doesnt give advice. You get what you pay for.