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Lego_Man
28-08-2009, 03:03 PM
Yes, the Ted Kennedy hero worship is sickening.

shasta
01-09-2009, 11:26 AM
Yes, the Ted Kennedy hero worship is sickening.

Don't ya just hate it when rich ****ers (already in financial trouble), still have the financial resource to litigate anyone who dare opposes them?

Scumbag/****er of the day, Mark Hotchin :mad:

Hanover goes to court over teenager's $697

Hanover Finance and its part-owner Mark Hotchin are taking a small investor to the High Court over $697.96 owed to the man's teenage daughter.

Michael Fallows lodged a claim with the Disputes Tribunal in Tauranga, saying the company misled his family by lying in its prospectus.
Hanover is opposing the tribunal's authority to hear the claim.

Mr Fallows told the tribunal he put $500 on term deposit with Hanover in 2007 for his 14-year-old daughter Katie.

"Had I known that the information in this prospectus was incorrect and misleading, I would never have made the investment."

The investment was due to mature in January 2012. Mr Fallows, of Te Puke, is claiming the principal plus interest at 8.35 per cent.

The Disputes Tribunal is to hear his claim in Tauranga on September 14.
But Hanover has filed actions in the High Court against Mr Fallows and the tribunal, saying the latter does not have jurisdiction to decide the matter.

The company also says it cannot pay the money because of a moratorium agreed with investors.

The High Court at Auckland is to look at Hanover's application over Mr Fallows' case tomorrow.

The date follows a series of letters written to the tribunal during July and August by Hanover's legal compliance manager, Angela MacDonald.
She said that under the Securities Act, only the High Court could consider allegations of a misleading prospectus.

The issue of the tribunal's jurisdiction should be dealt with at a separate hearing.

Ms MacDonald said that without active control and management, the tribunal's September 14 hearing would be "a circus".

Hanover also says Mr Fallows' claim is part of a campaign by Mark Cooper, a property developer it has been battling in the courts.

In an affidavit, Mr Hotchin said Mr Cooper was "driving and controlling" the claim.

"I expect that Mr Cooper is actively soliciting other investors to issue further Disputes Tribunal claims," he said. "I believe his involvement is an abuse of the process of the tribunal."

Mr Fallows has told the tribunal that documentary evidence provided by Mr Cooper would show that Hanover misled investors by not disclosing related-party loans and loans with no mortgage security it made between 2001 and 2007.

In a letter to the tribunal this week, Mr Cooper said Hanover was trying to "cloud the issues" by bringing his dispute with it into the matter.
He had agreed to help Mr Fallows, but was involved only as a witness.

He said the Disputes Tribunal had the authority to adjudicate over "loss caused by misleading advertising or misleading statements made by someone selling goods or services ... ".

Hanover and Mr Cooper are embroiled in legal actions relating to California condominium developments. Hanover says it is owed about $30 million.

Mr Cooper's luxury holiday home on Waiheke Island was sold in a mortgagee sale this year.

A spokeswoman for Hanover said the finance company would not be making any comment.

Mr Fallows could not be contacted yesterday.

Dr_Who
01-09-2009, 12:02 PM
Is not is money, it is the poor depositors money they are using.

craic
01-09-2009, 04:34 PM
Problem is Hannover cannot have a legal representative in the Disputes Tribunal. Some years ago I put a very minor parking ding in a car from Auckland. Owner was amenable but his Insurance Co claimed the earth for damages done in an earlier crash. I filed an limiting application in the Napier Disputes Tribunal. They had to accept my $100 offer or come to Napier to argue the claim. They took the $100. I hope the high court backs this guy.

fungus pudding
01-09-2009, 04:57 PM
Problem is Hannover cannot have a legal representative in the Disputes Tribunal. Some years ago I put a very minor parking ding in a car from Auckland. Owner was amenable but his Insurance Co claimed the earth for damages done in an earlier crash. I filed an limiting application in the Napier Disputes Tribunal. They had to accept my $100 offer or come to Napier to argue the claim. They took the $100. I hope the high court backs this guy.

The insurance co. can't have been in a winning situation anyway. The Disputes Tribunal often hear defence and other evidence etc by telephone.

dartMonkey
01-09-2009, 05:46 PM
Here's all I could find on High Court fees (towards the bottom)
http://www.justice.govt.nz/publications/global-publications/r/review-of-civil-court-fees/high-court
and it would seem that Hanover/Hotchin have spent more on High Court fees than they would have by simply paying the debt ...
and that's not taking account of the Lawyers bill ...

Steve
01-09-2009, 08:05 PM
They MUST be seen to undertake all possible steps to recover the depositors money. To hell with the cost, it's a matter of principle! :rolleyes:

Placebo
02-09-2009, 12:11 PM
Joseph Ogle, pleaded guilty to double murder. Today's scumbag of the day.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2824359/Red-flag-before-Porirua-murders

shasta
04-09-2009, 04:36 PM
Joseph Ogle, pleaded guilty to double murder. Today's scumbag of the day.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2824359/Red-flag-before-Porirua-murders

I found this small article, but this scumbag needs outing...

Four years isn't enough for what he did, over a long period

He should be made to do the full 9 years, in general population...

It's called Karma ;)

Capill's parole hearing adjourned

Parole hearing for Graham Capill, serving nine year sentence for sexually abusing girls, adjourned because psychologist ill


The parole hearing for Graham Capill has been further adjourned.

The former police prosecutor and leader of the Christian Heritage Party is four years into his nine year sentence for sexually abusing girls.

At his last hearing the Parole Board requested the Department of Corrections psychologist and a psychologist commissioned by Capill attend the next hearing so they can be cross-examined on their respective reports. However, the board has had to postpone the hearing as Capill's psychologist cannot attend due to illness.

The hearing will now take place at the end of the month.

STRAT
04-09-2009, 06:41 PM
They MUST be seen to undertake all possible steps to recover the depositors money. To hell with the cost, it's a matter of principle! :rolleyes:And a matter of precedent I would have thought. They would be left wide open to more claims. You can rest assured Hanover will do their absolute best to beat this guy to a pulp.

shasta
04-09-2009, 10:55 PM
And a matter of precedent I would have thought. They would be left wide open to more claims. You can rest assured Hanover will do their absolute best to beat this guy to a pulp.

Weren't you an executive in Bluechip? :D

Placebo
07-09-2009, 11:46 AM
As yet un-named, but the bloke with the bodies under the floor of his Christchurch house is likely to be a candidate this week.

Wonder when the suppression will be lifted

shasta
07-09-2009, 12:37 PM
As yet un-named, but the bloke with the bodies under the floor of his Christchurch house is likely to be a candidate this week.

Wonder when the suppression will be lifted

He's being charged with the murder of his wife, so when he appears the suppression should be lifted.

Goodness, how DARE we infringe on his rights :eek:

minimoke
07-09-2009, 01:38 PM
He's being charged with the murder of his wife, so when he appears the suppression should be lifted.

Goodness, how DARE we infringe on his rights :eek:Another Hampshire Street drama - one of the city's more notorious streets.

The supression order is till Friday - and is in place for a couple of reasons - the more important being the notifcation of the dead wifes family. Secondary to that is the mental health issues of the accused - so already we have the ground work for an insanity plea being laid.

shasta
07-09-2009, 04:45 PM
Another Hampshire Street drama - one of the city's more notorious streets.

The supression order is till Friday - and is in place for a couple of reasons - the more important being the notifcation of the dead wifes family. Secondary to that is the mental health issues of the accused - so already we have the ground work for an insanity plea being laid.

This guy has scumbag intentions, but his "Multi-Level-Marketing" campaign could get him a marketing job down the track :D

I mean, he hasn't down anything wrong.....yet :rolleyes:

A Whangarei man's appearing in court today facing charges of sexual grooming and one charge of unlawful sexual connection with a minor.

It stems from an incident about two weeks ago, when Whangarei police were alerted to a man who had thrown a paper plane out his car window at high school girls.

The paper plane had a cellphone number on it, and the girls sent a text message back asking him to leave them alone.

A 45-year-old man was arrested on Friday night, and appeared in Whangarei District Court on Saturday. He was remanded in custody to reappear again today.

Anyone with information about other similar incidents is asked to contact Whangarei police.

Nita
07-09-2009, 06:15 PM
Scumbag of the day award should go to the detective on the Tony Veitch case that had a direct conflict of interest eith his ex mrs

Major von Tempsky
08-09-2009, 07:58 AM
You mean that she (the policewoman) was motivated to keep probing the succeeding tissues of lies from Veitch rather than getting fobbed off?

First he claimed there was no assault.

Then he claimed there was "one moment of madness".

Now he has acceded to there having been a series of violent assaults - the evidence that he sought so hard to suppress.

She did her duty as a policewoman and nothing more.

Nita
08-09-2009, 08:41 AM
You mean that she (the policewoman) was motivated to keep probing the succeeding tissues of lies from Veitch rather than getting fobbed off?

First he claimed there was no assault.

Then he claimed there was "one moment of madness".

Now he has acceded to there having been a series of violent assaults - the evidence that he sought so hard to suppress.

She did her duty as a policewoman and nothing more.You missed the point. Many people had a go at TV and for most part of it they were entitled to it. Then we see a complete conflict of interest and now it seems by you that its now ok. I encourage the law to find the truth but heck, that detective could have got any number of other detectives on the case to make sure protocols and intergrity are followed. So why didnt it happen. No brainer in my opinion.

Nita
08-09-2009, 08:43 AM
Scumbag for the other day needs to go to that judge over in Hastings that ordered a lady out of court for wearing a headscarf. At this rate you wont be able to walk down the street with a cross around your neck, especially in Wanganui.

Muslim's barring a mistake, says judge
4:00AM Friday Sep 04, 2009



Yasmeen Ali
Related links:

Muslim woman furious at courtroom ban
New Zealand courts do not discriminate against Muslims, says Chief District Court Judge Russell Johnson.

Yasmeen Ali was barred from entering a Hastings District Court courtroom on Wednesday by Judge Geoff Rea because she refused to take off her headscarf.

She had gone to court to support her brother, also a Muslim, who was being sentenced on an assault charge.

Judge Johnson said the judge had barred Ms Ali as a result of a misunderstanding and the public could be reassured judges were sensitive to Bill of Rights provisions against discrimination.

"The judge's information was that she was protesting against the court, which had just previously required the removal of her brother from the courtroom."

Judges had the power to remove people from their courtrooms for being disruptive or showing disrespect, Judge Johnson said.

"In this case, the judge freely admits he was mistaken about what the woman was doing, and she would not have been barred from the court simply because of her Muslim head-dress."

Judge Rea had earlier asked Ms Ali's brother Carlos Manuel Brooking, 22, to remove his "hat", which he did.

But Brooking was reluctant to remove the smaller garment underneath and walked out of court. He later apologised.

Ms Ali was stopped from re-entering the court after the incident and was told Judge Rea had ordered that she not be allowed in wearing the scarf.

minimoke
08-09-2009, 09:37 AM
Scumbag for the other day needs to go to that judge over in Hastings that ordered a lady Calling this person a "woman" is probably a bit of a long bow to draw. I'd hazard a guess that she's not very bright and comes from a dysfunctional family. She's needy and attention seeking - and this episode served her agenda well.

Good on the Judge for trying to bring order to his Court - especially when Alis' brother was there on a charge and stirring things up. She's probably bored with the attention she got from rousing up "colonial oppressors" so what better way to get attention than bleat on about being a Muslim and being discriminated against. Sooner she does a trek to Mecca the better

Nita
08-09-2009, 09:52 AM
Calling this person a "woman" is probably a bit of a long bow to draw. I'd hazard a guess that she's not very bright and comes from a dysfunctional family. She's needy and attention seeking - and this episode served her agenda well.

Good on the Judge for trying to bring order to his Court - especially when Alis' brother was there on a charge and stirring things up. She's probably bored with the attention she got from rousing up "colonial oppressors" so what better way to get attention than bleat on about being a Muslim and being discriminated against. Sooner she does a trek to Mecca the betterYou can guess all you like but clearly the judge got it wrong and apologized for it. Even if the woman did come from a dysfuntional family does it then make it ok to discrimate. Minimoke, it seems like you want one law for the rich, one for the poor and one for the people who have different religious beliefs than you. I think you would be right in your element in South Africa especially a couple of decades ago.

Placebo
08-09-2009, 10:00 AM
Today's nominee: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2842201/Girl-tells-of-brothers-beating-with-vacuum-cleaner-pipe. Itupa Julie Mikaio, 40. So you give your kid a brain bleed, fractured pelvis, broken legs and what do you do? Wait a week then take them to a Samoan massage therapist. Brilliant!

Bed wetting is such an evil and deserves to be punished...

minimoke
08-09-2009, 10:14 AM
You can guess all you like but clearly the judge got it wrong and apologized for it. Even if the woman did come from a dysfuntional family does it then make it ok to discrimate. Minimoke, it seems like you want one law for the rich, one for the poor and one for the people who have different religious beliefs than you. I think you would be right in your element in South Africa especially a couple of decades ago.
The point you appear to have missed Nita (and one to be found by the Human Rights Commission) is that the judge wasn't being discriminatory. It wasn't that she was a Muslim that got her barred - its was the judges view that she was stirring things up in support of her brother who was wearing head gear contrary to the Judges wish to run his court. That the judge misread the situation doesn't warrant a "Scumbag" nomination in my view - and if this incident is to have a nomination if should go to the Yasmeen for exploiting her religious beliefs for her own self serving purposes. A runner up nomination could go to her brother for being a toe rag. But such nominations pale into insignificance as there are many much more worthy recipients than this "mountain out of a mole hill" event.

Nita
08-09-2009, 10:59 AM
The point you appear to have missed Nita (and one to be found by the Human Rights Commission) is that the judge wasn't being discriminatory. It wasn't that she was a Muslim that got her barred - its was the judges view that she was stirring things up in support of her brother who was wearing head gear contrary to the Judges wish to run his court. That the judge misread the situation doesn't warrant a "Scumbag" nomination in my view - and if this incident is to have a nomination if should go to the Yasmeen for exploiting her religious beliefs for her own self serving purposes. A runner up nomination could go to her brother for being a toe rag. But such nominations pale into insignificance as there are many much more worthy recipients than this "mountain out of a mole hill" event.I think you are right about the judge misreading the situation. You cant help but wonder if she came into the courtroom wearing a big fat cross over her chest that the judge would not have acted the same. Given what she was wearing i am astonished how he decided to kick her out wearing what she did anyway.

craic
08-09-2009, 11:07 AM
I know Judge Geoff Rae personally through his career as a solicitor in Napier and his years as a Crown Prosecutor here and as a Judge. In all stages he is a good bloke by any standards - he used to referee schoolboy rugby among other things. I also have some very limited knowledge of other parties involved and I will make a confident prediction. Geoff Rae will still be a good bloke long after Allah has given up on the other crow and taken his headgear back.

Dr_Who
08-09-2009, 11:11 AM
Scumbag for the other day needs to go to that judge over in Hastings that ordered a lady out of court for wearing a headscarf. At this rate you wont be able to walk down the street with a cross around your neck, especially in Wanganui.

Muslim's barring a mistake, says judge
4:00AM Friday Sep 04, 2009



The courts is not a public place. The judge have the right to ask people to leave. If someone came to court with a helmet on, they will also be asked to leave. I am with the judge on this one.

If a muslim lady wore a pair of pants in public in a muslim country they will get jail time.

Sudanese woman sent to jail for wearing pants
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-sudan-pants8-2009sep08,0,7542605.story

minimoke
08-09-2009, 11:16 AM
I think you are right about the judge misreading the situation. You cant help but wonder if she came into the courtroom wearing a big fat cross over her chest that the judge would not have acted the same. Given what she was wearing i am astonished how he decided to kick her out wearing what she did anyway.Its quite simple really. If she was wearing a cross she wouldn't have been booted out. However if her brother was invoking Christ and lugging a cross into the court then she probably would have been. The Judge didn't kick her out for wearing Muslim head gear - he kicked her out because he thought she was wearing head gear, in support of her head gear wearing criminal brother, as a means of either mocking or stirring up the court. As for Wanganui its clear now you can't wear a gang patch - but even there you could wear a christ chain or bhurka. If a person is rich or poor or of a certain religion then as far as I'm concerned, go to Wanganui wearing a gang patch and expect a day in court!

Nita
08-09-2009, 11:57 AM
Calling this person a "woman" is probably a bit of a long bow to draw. I'd hazard a guess that she's not very bright and comes from a dysfunctional family. She's needy and attention seeking - and this episode served her agenda well.

Good on the Judge for trying to bring order to his Court - especially when Alis' brother was there on a charge and stirring things up. She's probably bored with the attention she got from rousing up "colonial oppressors" so what better way to get attention than bleat on about being a Muslim and being discriminated against. Sooner she does a trek to Mecca the betterWe have deviated a little bit. What concerns me minimoke is your apparent hatred towards, muslims, a person who may have been brought up in a dysfunctional family, people with low IQ etc. All of those comments are link to your post above.

People are generally born into a religion and to a certain degree have very little choice to part from that (doesnt matter id christian, jew, muslim or whatever) and many people no matter how good a person they are may be severely disadvantaged on a mental basis (eg people with down syndrome) and also whether etc. By making all the assumptions you have made, whether in jest or not is imo racist, predjudical and can only contribute towards hatred to other fellow kiwis.

Tom Hall
08-09-2009, 12:28 PM
The courts is not a public place. The judge have the right to ask people to leave. If someone came to court with a helmet on, they will also be asked to leave. I am with the judge on this one.

If a muslim lady wore a pair of pants in public in a muslim country they will get jail time.

Sudanese woman sent to jail for wearing pants
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-sudan-pants8-2009sep08,0,7542605.story

Having been to muslim countries and seen muslim women wearing pants (although I didn't go to the Sudan), the answer is no. if you are Sudanese and muslim, maybe then you get in trouble. But thats Sudan, not here.
And no the Judge doesn't have the right to breach Human Rights even in court .
The Judge apologised, So I guess we are waiting on yours.

minimoke
08-09-2009, 01:11 PM
We have deviated a little bit. What concerns me minimoke is your apparent hatred towards, muslims, a person who may have been brought up in a dysfunctional family, people with low IQ etc. All of those comments are link to your post above.

People are generally born into a religion and to a certain degree have very little choice to part from that (doesnt matter id christian, jew, muslim or whatever) and many people no matter how good a person they are may be severely disadvantaged on a mental basis (eg people with down syndrome) and also whether etc. By making all the assumptions you have made, whether in jest or not is imo racist, predjudical and can only contribute towards hatred to other fellow kiwis.
Nita, apart from Brussel Sprouts there is very little in this world I can think of that I hate. In hindsight, on re-reading an ealier post, I can perhaps see there might be a sleight made against Muslims. Indeed I unreservedly apologise to the Saudis - I can't think of any reason why they should be inflicted by this woman on their Pilgrimage.

What I do have little time for is attention seeking twits who wish to exploit the sincere religious beliefs of others in order to play games and seek attention for their own personal self indulgence. Thats what "Yasmeen" is doing. I have not one jot of sympathy for her plight. That she is there supporting her brother could be commended - and it is encouraging to see that the Hawkes Bay has employers willing to support their staff by letting them have time off work to do such things.

Nor do I have time for people that exploit those with lower intelligence. Chris Carter was quick to jump on this particular bandwagon and he should be ashamed of his low behaviour.

Nor do I have much time for views expressed by people who don't understand what discrimination is. In this case you appear to think there was discrimination against this woman because either she was a Muslim, or wearing a muslim styled head scarf. There is nothing to suggest she was discriminated against because she was a Muslim. As for discrimination on the grounds of wearing a head scarf then this becomes moot because there are views that the wearing of a head scarf is not compulsory - it is worn as a sign of modesty and morality. In essence it is a dress code and not a religous belief. You could equally argue that this womans rights are being violated by not having the freedom to choose NOT to wear a head scarf. Regardless, the fuss was because the Judge thought she was stirring - not because she was a muslim. Strange as it may seem, but in New Zealand you can still discriminate against people who are strirrers.

minimoke
08-09-2009, 01:24 PM
And no the Judge doesn't have the right to breach Human Rights even in court .

Actually he can. He can require Bhurka wearing women to appear as witnesses with their Burkah removed. In court decisons we know that "individual freedoms are necessarily limited by membership to society". Indeed the courts need to have a "normal process" so that society has confidence that fair trials will occur. Our justice system should be administered openly and publicly - that means we should be able to see and hear the participants. Incidentlally, this case affirmed a persons right to wear a headscarf.

Tom Hall
08-09-2009, 02:02 PM
Actually he can. He can require Bhurka wearing women to appear as witnesses with their Burkah removed. In court decisons we know that "individual freedoms are necessarily limited by membership to society". Indeed the courts need to have a "normal process" so that society has confidence that fair trials will occur. Our justice system should be administered openly and publicly - that means we should be able to see and hear the participants. Incidentlally, this case affirmed a persons right to wear a headscarf.

You are correct about that but you are wrong about the involuntariness of wearing headscarves. It depends on custom. Many Muslim women do choose nt to wear hadscarves, although ( complicatedly), for many it is a sign of thei faith and for some its involuntary.
Given that the woman's face was clearly visable on TV I decided not to try to complicate matters, but that still leaves you correct.

minimoke
08-09-2009, 02:48 PM
You are correct about that but you are wrong about the involuntariness of wearing headscarves. It depends on custom. I'm not sure that I'm wrong on the involuntariness - but thats an aside.

The issue of "custom" though is interesting since we appear to be able to discriminate, on Human Rights grounds against custom. Its religious belief that we can't discriminate against. But Minorities (and lets for arguments sake put wee Yasmeen in the class of a minority) have a right under the bill of rights to practice her religion and to enjoy her culture. Though as a Maori I'm not sure if her Maori culture conflicts with the beliefs of Islam - or vs versa.

Nita
08-09-2009, 03:10 PM
Actually he can. He can require Bhurka wearing women to appear as witnesses with their Burkah removed. In court decisons we know that "individual freedoms are necessarily limited by membership to society". Indeed the courts need to have a "normal process" so that society has confidence that fair trials will occur. Our justice system should be administered openly and publicly - that means we should be able to see and hear the participants. Incidentlally, this case affirmed a persons right to wear a headscarf.Totally agree and have no problem with that. Especially in the case where a persons identity needs to be verified

Nita
08-09-2009, 03:16 PM
Minimoke. Understand that i had a strong view on these matters as it affects me directly. I am a muslim myself and i trust that you can see my point of view where certain remarks are made towards muslims in general.

ps. You seem like a decent person ang just like me i dont like seeing people use their religion or race or ethnicity as a tool to take advantage of the poor me syndrome.

regards,

Nita

Dr_Who
08-09-2009, 03:42 PM
And no the Judge doesn't have the right to breach Human Rights even in court .


Human rights my ass.... hahaha

Lets all run around the courts naked cos we were born naked. Any attempt to remove us from court will breach human rights... LOL.

What alot of crap.

minimoke
08-09-2009, 03:49 PM
Lets all run around the courts naked cos we were born naked.
Not sure about the naked bit? Theres not too many people down south that would have nakedness as part of their religious doctrine during winter.

But another example might be our right under the Bill of Rights to Freeedom of Expression. Try doing that from the Public Gallery and see where it gets you.

fungus pudding
08-09-2009, 03:50 PM
Minimoke. Understand that i had a strong view on these matters as it affects me directly. I am a muslim myself and i trust that you can see my point of view where certain remarks are made towards muslims in general.



Really? I'm a Martian.

minimoke
08-09-2009, 03:50 PM
ps. You seem like a decent person ang just like me i dont like seeing people use their religion or race or ethnicity as a tool to take advantage of the poor me syndrome.

I guess I can cancel my flights to South Africa then?

Nita
08-09-2009, 06:10 PM
Really? I'm a Martian.Its true actually. I am married to a muslim lady and needed to convert to do so. If you dont believe me then visit Moven Pick in Mission Bay on Saturday night from around 9.30pm onwards. There will be about 30 other muslims there as well.

Dr_Who
08-09-2009, 06:36 PM
Its true actually. I am married to a muslim lady and needed to convert to do so. If you dont believe me then visit Moven Pick in Mission Bay on Saturday night from around 9.30pm onwards. There will be about 30 other muslims there as well.

Hmmm.. Mission Bay Movenpick? Just around the corner from where I live. I didnt know that turf was a local hangout for you Nita. I will keep my ears open for a crowd talking about the sharemarket...:D

fungus pudding
08-09-2009, 06:53 PM
Its true actually. I am married to a muslim lady and needed to convert to do so. If you dont believe me then visit Moven Pick in Mission Bay on Saturday night from around 9.30pm onwards. There will be about 30 other muslims there as well.

Sorry - nowhere near Mission bay, but from your post the other day I thought it might be more likely I could find you at the local clap doctor's clinic. In the muslim aisle of course. ;);)

Nita
08-09-2009, 09:01 PM
Sorry - nowhere near Mission bay, but from your post the other day I thought it might be more likely I could find you at the local clap doctor's clinic. In the muslim aisle of course. ;);)lol. Not everything is as it seems huh? You might be surprised as to what the real truth is.

disc. nothing in what i have siad is lies. both are true except getting the clap 6 times. It might have been 7 or 8

shasta
08-09-2009, 09:04 PM
Sorry - nowhere near Mission bay, but from your post the other day I thought it might be more likely I could find you at the local clap doctor's clinic. In the muslim aisle of course. ;);)

What's going on in Christchurch at the moment, first bodies under the floorboards & now this, "scumbag". :rolleyes:

'Last chance' for man with 110 convictions

A 37-year-old man who has 110 previous dishonesty offences and indulged in a spree of offending while on bail, has been given one last chance.

Shaun Craig Wastney, formerly of Westport but now living in Christchurch, was sentenced in the Christchurch District Court today.

He had pleaded guilty to charges of possession of cannabis and ACC fraud totalling $10,545.

While on bail to get a home detention report done for these offences he took his girlfriend's car and was involved in an accident.

He drove off without checking if anyone was hurt.

He then faced charges of driving while forbidden, careless driving, and failing to stop after a non-injury accident.

Wastney had admitted doing labouring work on the West Coast while he was meant to be off work on ACC as a result of a 2004 car accident.

West Coast defence counsel Doug Taffs said Wastney presented a gloomy history to court.

He said he was a man who was running from himself, with an ill-concealed deep rage against the world. He had a deep-seated, long-standing drug addiction.

He said Wastney had asked for psychological and psychiatric assistance, which had not been provided before the latest spree of offending.

Since he had been to a psychologist there had been progress and for the first time there was hope of improvement, Mr Taffs said.

Crown prosecutor Marcus Zintl said some of Wastney's offences had been committed while he was on bail or on community detention.

He said the probation report found Wastney was at a high risk of reoffending. (Really, which Richard Cranium came up with that idea?)

Judge Raoul Neave said there was a real concern that Wastney would not see a psychologist if he was sent to prison, and that seeing the psychologist may be the catalyst to break the cycle.

He said that locking Wastney up may create more problems in the long run.

"If there is ever to be a break in the cycle, this is the chance," he said.
Wastney had severe health problems which had taken a toll on him physically. Judge Neave said.

He said he was being as generous as he could, and sentenced Wastney to 12 months home detention, 250 hours community work. He was ordered to pay reparation of $10,545 to ACC, and a further $5942 for other breach and dishonesty charges.

He warned Wastney that if he left the home detention address or failed to comply with anything he was asked to do, he would be sent to prison.

- NZPA

Nita
08-09-2009, 10:00 PM
Shasta. I noticed at the end of the post it said if he left his home detention he would be sent to jail. Im guessing that he will break the law and will give him a suspended jail sentence.

I thiink the judge has given him a very good deterent. Dont do it or we may just send you to jail one day.
v
Give this guy a medal for getting 110 convictions and only getting a slap on the wrist

shasta
10-09-2009, 05:39 PM
Shasta. I noticed at the end of the post it said if he left his home detention he would be sent to jail. Im guessing that he will break the law and will give him a suspended jail sentence.

I thiink the judge has given him a very good deterent. Dont do it or we may just send you to jail one day.
v
Give this guy a medal for getting 110 convictions and only getting a slap on the wrist

Today's "prize winner" from the shallow end of the gene pool...

NZ, clean, green, & violent :confused:

I'm surprised this didn't warrant bail... :rolleyes:

French tourist raped at gunpoint

A French tourist who wanted to experience "the real New Zealand" was abducted and raped as he travelled alone on a rural backroad.

His rapist, Teiro Ngaa Kitai, a scrap metal trader from Opotiki, pleaded guilty in the Tauranga District Court on Monday to three charges of sexually violating the tourist.

The 24-year-old traveller had hitchhiked his way through Canada and Australia without incident. He had been touring the North Island when he was picked up by Kitai while hitchhiking on State Highway 35 in the eastern Bay of Plenty.

Crown prosecutor Rob Ronayne told the Herald the man was an experienced traveller who was keen to get off the beaten track.
"He said he had wanted to experience the real New Zealand. Unfortunately, he pulled the short straw."

Police said Kitai, 32, preyed on the tourist. Kitai stored his luggage and offered him a place to stay at his derelict house bus on Motu Rd, 15km southeast of Opotiki.

After a night drinking at the home of a friend of Kitai's, Kitai took the tourist home, threatened him with an air pistol and forced him to carry out sexual acts.

According to the Crown summary of facts, the tourist pleaded with Kitai, politely telling him, "I like girls, I'm not interested." He had considered attacking Kitai with a knife he had in his pocket, but said he could not bring himself to do it.

Detective Brent Andersen said the Frenchman had been intending to hitchhike around the East Cape before visiting Wellington and seeking work in Queenstown. But after making a complaint to police, he left a week later for France.

"He left as soon as possible," said Mr Andersen. "He was quite keen on New Zealand and doing his own thing. He was devastated it hasn't worked out ... and was too traumatised to stay."

Mr Andersen said the tourist was prepared to return and testify at a trial. But Kitai's guilty plea means he will not be required in court.

The May incident was the first of two sexual attacks on tourists in the region this year. Two teenage boys are being kept in custody after being charged with the rape of a 22-year-old Asian woman in Opotiki last month.

Mr Andersen said he was glad Kitai had been quickly brought to justice.
"Tourism is a big part of this area and everyone goes out of their way to help people ... It was a shock for this community. Everyone was outraged by it," the detective said.

The Crown presented no evidence for three other charges that Kitai faced - possession of a firearm, unlawful detention, and indecent assault.

The charges will be relegated to aggravating features at his sentencing in November.

Kitai was remanded in custody.

HarryFlashman
11-09-2009, 08:42 AM
What a great country we live in.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10596566

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10596595

I expect the dog owner will get a $50 fine and 50 hours community service - plus a stern warning of course.

Cheers
Harry

Dr_Who
11-09-2009, 11:58 AM
What a great country we live in.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10596566

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10596595

I expect the dog owner will get a $50 fine and 50 hours community service - plus a stern warning of course.

Cheers
Harry

I agree. What have become us.

I spoke to a few travellers from Eastern Europe. They said that even thou their country is third world and much poorer than NZ, they feel safer there. They can walked out at night alone and not worry about being attacked. You cant say that about most parts of Auckland.

Very sad.

Dr_Who
11-09-2009, 01:05 PM
Give this man an award.

Clerk Beats Down Armed Robber

http://www.break.com/index/clerk-beats-down-armed-robber.html

blackcap
11-09-2009, 11:46 PM
What a great country we live in.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10596566

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10596595

I expect the dog owner will get a $50 fine and 50 hours community service - plus a stern warning of course.

Cheers
Harry


My ex flatmate had a solution for ppl like that. Give them a bullet. Its cheap, this guy obviously has nothing positive to contribute to society and it will solve a lot of future problems.

Unless these sorts of thugs get harsher penalties you will find more and more ppl inclined to think that way methiks.

rev
12-09-2009, 08:34 AM
My ex flatmate had a solution for ppl like that. Give them a bullet. Its cheap, this guy obviously has nothing positive to contribute to society and it will solve a lot of future problems.

Unless these sorts of thugs get harsher penalties you will find more and more ppl inclined to think that way methiks.


How about a coal replacement for power stations?

Skol
12-09-2009, 01:08 PM
I agree. What have become us.

I spoke to a few travellers from Eastern Europe. They said that even thou their country is third world and much poorer than NZ, they feel safer there. They can walked out at night alone and not worry about being attacked. You cant say that about most parts of Auckland.

Very sad.

Thhat's probably because the police are far too busy handing out speeding tickets to grandma who's been doing 61 k/hr to fill their quota instead of real policing.

minimoke
12-09-2009, 07:02 PM
Thhat's probably because the police are far too busy handing out speeding tickets to grandma who's been doing 61 k/hr to fill their quota instead of real policing.
Grandma was probably in a 100km speed zone!

kirky
15-09-2009, 12:50 PM
Have just read the Herald and Clayton Weatherston has been sentenced to 18 years without parole for the murder of his former girlfriend Sophie Elliott.

He is the scumbag of the century, and 18 years' what are they thinking' do they know they are insane. I don't believe in capital punishment but in this case I would gladly hang him myself, after reading the victim statements from Sophie's family I feel traumatised, their life for many years will be a living hell, this guy needed to be executed what the f--k is wrong with the people of this country the punishment needs to be in line with the crime' the pain of knowing that he exists and their lovely but now mutilated daughter is now in a hole in the ground must be unbearable.:mad::mad::mad:

minimoke
15-09-2009, 01:38 PM
Have just read the Herald and Clayton Weatherston has been sentenced to 18 years without parole for the murder of his former girlfriend Sophie Elliott.

He is the scumbag of the century, and 18 years' what are they thinking' do they know they are insane.
Scumbag yes, of the century no. Sure it was callous and brutal but if he was to get the ultimate award what would you give to someone like Jason Somerville who is accused of killing the neighbour (and buried her under the floor boards and joined in the search for her) and then appears to have topped his wife.

If you want a scumbag today for this case today, I'll nominate Kirsten Dunne Powell for riding on the coat tails of this tragic case. She clearly has a right to be in court but she has displayed a total lack of empathy for the family and is garnering media attention for her own ends. Truly distaseful.

shasta
15-09-2009, 02:49 PM
Have just read the Herald and Clayton Weatherston has been sentenced to 18 years without parole for the murder of his former girlfriend Sophie Elliott.

He is the scumbag of the century, and 18 years' what are they thinking' do they know they are insane. I don't believe in capital punishment but in this case I would gladly hang him myself, after reading the victim statements from Sophie's family I feel traumatised, their life for many years will be a living hell, this guy needed to be executed what the f--k is wrong with the people of this country the punishment needs to be in line with the crime' the pain of knowing that he exists and their lovely but now mutilated daughter is now in a hole in the ground must be unbearable.:mad::mad::mad:

He's a future "Scumbag Hall of Famer", but i doubt he'll last long in prison.

He's weak & pathetic & i'm picking he will do society a favour & top himself, before he gets killed in the showers

Placebo
15-09-2009, 03:15 PM
Scumbag yes, of the century no. Sure it was callous and brutal but if he was to get the ultimate award what would you give to someone like Jason Somerville who is accused of killing the neighbour (and buried her under the floor boards and joined in the search for her) and then appears to have topped his wife.

If you want a scumbag today for this case today, I'll nominate Kirsten Dunne Powell for riding on the coat tails of this tragic case. She clearly has a right to be in court but she has displayed a total lack of empathy for the family and is garnering media attention for her own ends. Truly distaseful.

You mean Kristen `I just want the media to leave me alone' Dunne Powell?

minimoke
15-09-2009, 04:22 PM
You mean Kristen `I just want the media to leave me alone' Dunne Powell?
She's there apparently to support women who have experienced violence. Heres another bet I'll lay. I reckon there is no chance she'll be seen at the future sentencing of Jason Somerville. Lets face it, Rebecca, his now deceased wife, was not the most attractive of women and unlikely to get the media attention Sophie did. Even Trisha, with her problems won't be enough to bring Kristen down her again. She's a leech in the worst sense of the word.

Placebo
18-09-2009, 01:34 PM
Oh joy: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2878792/Human-crime-wave-Patricia-Toia-back-in-New-Zealand

dartMonkey
18-09-2009, 02:41 PM
From the article: -
''I'd like to ... have kids ...''
Eeexxcellent ...

minimoke
18-09-2009, 02:51 PM
From the article: -
''I'd like to ... have kids ...''
Eeexxcellent ...
And "have a good job". Shes clearly a little removed from reality.

belgarion
25-09-2009, 07:12 AM
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10599501

Pre-mediated attack causing permanent injury and only 18 months? The defence? He called me names and teased me because I was sleeping in class!

Toughen up, you wuss, you've been let off lightly by an overly PC judical system.

minimoke
25-09-2009, 09:53 AM
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10599501

Pre-mediated attack causing permanent injury and only 18 months? The defence? He called me names and teased me because I was sleeping in class!

Toughen up, you wuss, you've been let off lightly by an overly PC judical system.
Compared with the Wendy-May Connan who smoked dope, put the kids in the back of the car without proper booster seats and only a lap belt, hit speeds over 200kph, couldn't take a gentle bend at 140kph on a nice day and, (unsurprisingly she'd been reported for speeding a few weeks earlier), lost control causing her 4 year old to tossed some 65- 85m from the car.

Time for Justice Williams to bring out the wet bus ticket yesterday. Whack six months community detention for you; backslap with 2 years drug counselling; 200 hours community sentence (how many of those will she do) and 2 years disqualification.

The value of childrens lives is pretty low.

shasta
25-09-2009, 03:35 PM
Compared with the Wendy-May Connan who smoked dope, put the kids in the back of the car without proper booster seats and only a lap belt, hit speeds over 200kph, couldn't take a gentle bend at 140kph on a nice day and, (unsurprisingly she'd been reported for speeding a few weeks earlier), lost control causing her 4 year old to tossed some 65- 85m from the car.

Time for Justice Williams to bring out the wet bus ticket yesterday. Whack six months community detention for you; backslap with 2 years drug counselling; 200 hours community sentence (how many of those will she do) and 2 years disqualification.

The value of childrens lives is pretty low.

I was stunned with that outcome, how much softer is the justice system going to get, before it's due for a review/enquiry?

I know by February 2010 our prisons are predicted to be completely full, but surely thats not a basis to stop custodial sentences.

Defo gets my vote for scumbag of the day, & i'll predict this won't be her last nomination.

How on earth is that not manslaughter?

What would the charge have been had it been a 18yo unemployed Maori male i wonder?

minimoke
25-09-2009, 03:44 PM
How on earth is that not manslaughter?

She was found guilty of manslaugter. But like the judge in the Makatu trial life appears to have little value in Welington courts. Negligently kill someone and you don't get to spend time with Bubbahs sister!

Nevl
26-09-2009, 09:52 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8275236.stm

Another country taking a logical step

shasta
16-10-2009, 12:59 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8275236.stm

Another country taking a logical step

It's been a while since we have nominated more scumbags, today's one is a worthy addition to the collection...:rolleyes:

Man jailed for at least 19 years for double murder http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/joseph_ogle_140x100.jpg


A Porirua man has been jailed for life with a 19-year non-parole period for brutally bashing his ex-partner and her boarder to death with a baseball bat.

Joseph Ogle last month pleaded guilty in Porirua District Court to murdering Joeline Rangimaria Edmonds, a 21-year-old mother of two, and her boarder, Jashana Maree Robinson, 16.

The police summary of facts, read out in the High Court at Wellington, suggested the June 26 attack was sparked by jealousy.

Ogle had been in prison when he learned Ms Edmonds was in a relationship with another man.

Soon after being released he went to her Porirua house with the bat and bashed each victim several times in the same bedroom.

Two young children belonging to Ms Edmonds and Ogle were in another bedroom at the time.

Ogle had also pleaded guilty to one count of breaching a protection order by physically abusing Ms Edmonds and was sentenced to a concurrent jail term of six months today.

Justice Denis Clifford gave Ogle a four-year discount on his non-parole period for his early guilty plea.

Placebo
16-10-2009, 02:52 PM
I know this is commonplace but why do you get a discount for pleading guilty? Doesn't make the crime any less bad. Surely the sentence is on the basis of the crime, and is pleading guilty (fessing up) really a mitigating factor?

I guess it is to encourage crims to confess.

minimoke
16-10-2009, 03:06 PM
I know this is commonplace but why do you get a discount for pleading guilty? Doesn't make the crime any less bad. Surely the sentence is on the basis of the crime, and is pleading guilty (fessing up) really a mitigating factor?

I guess it is to encourage crims to confess.
It also helps minimiese the added trauma victims have to go through sitting through all the hearings. In my justice system he would have got 23 years. Do the crime, fess up, do the time. Now if he had wanted to try it on and plead not guilty I woudl have given him an additional 4 years.

Why incentivise doing the right thing? Surely there should be a disinecentive for doing the wrong thing.

(oh and just to show I'm no red neck I'd also make sure he got to go on an Anger Management course and as part of his sentence then paroled into a supportive whanau)

Kees
16-10-2009, 05:35 PM
In my justice system he would have got 23 years

In my justice system he would have been hung.

sharer
16-10-2009, 08:20 PM
The discount for early guilty pleas is understandable, and reasonable.
What i don't understand is why multiple serious crimes are met by sentences that are concurrent. If everyone, including the murderer, agrees that two murders have been committed, why should the sentence pretend they were only half-murders? Isn't this also unjust to the victims & families?
Concurrent sentences are so common nowadays that it is hard to think of examples of the more obviously fair consecutive terms being applied. (The Field case, of entirely different nature, is the only one i can recall just now.)

craic
17-10-2009, 10:50 AM
There is a concept of a total sentence in NZ. while I never made any attempt to understand it, it seems to mean that the crimes collectively will get life imprisonment in this case and in the odd circumstance where there is a successful appeal against one or the other offence, it will not affect the total.

Placebo
19-10-2009, 12:30 PM
The discount for early guilty pleas is understandable, and reasonable.
What i don't understand is why multiple serious crimes are met by sentences that are concurrent. If everyone, including the murderer, agrees that two murders have been committed, why should the sentence pretend they were only half-murders? Isn't this also unjust to the victims & families?
Concurrent sentences are so common nowadays that it is hard to think of examples of the more obviously fair consecutive terms being applied. (The Field case, of entirely different nature, is the only one i can recall just now.)

I get why the discount policy is used, but I have to agree with Minimoke around incentives for the right thing vs disencentives for not. Also in this joker's case, his early plea is surely outweighed by the callous and brutal nature of the crime. The police summary of facts is chilling. He made one of the women watch while he killed the other - a form of torture to prolong her suffering and make her see what she knew was coming next for her. His kids were in the house at the time. Then he left, waited a while, and pretended to `find' the bodies, leading cops on a wild goose chase. He has a lengthy and colourful police record.

The discounting is a nonsense.

shasta
20-10-2009, 09:46 PM
I get why the discount policy is used, but I have to agree with Minimoke around incentives for the right thing vs disencentives for not. Also in this joker's case, his early plea is surely outweighed by the callous and brutal nature of the crime. The police summary of facts is chilling. He made one of the women watch while he killed the other - a form of torture to prolong her suffering and make her see what she knew was coming next for her. His kids were in the house at the time. Then he left, waited a while, and pretended to `find' the bodies, leading cops on a wild goose chase. He has a lengthy and colourful police record.

The discounting is a nonsense.

Email from ACT's hardman on crime, David Garrett

Scumbag of the day

H, this isn't a relative of you're is it :D

So Much For A 'Life' Sentence
David Garrett MP, ACT New Zealand
Tuesday, October 20 2009

ACT New Zealand Law & Order Spokesman David Garrett was today appalled to learn that Andrew Peter McGlynn believed to be New Zealand's most recalled 'lifer' is to be recalled to prison just three months after being released on parole for the fourth time.

"McGlynn and others like him are living evidence of the need for ACT's 'Three Strikes' policy and proves that claims 'Three Strikes' would not work are simply nonsense," Mr Garrett said.

"A Black Power member, McGlynn was originally sentenced to 'life' for murder 23 years ago. He was released after a mere nine years, only to be recalled following an armed robbery.

He was released again in 2003, and recalled a second time after another armed robbery. A couple of years later he was released yet again, and recalled after assaulting a female.

"McGlynn is an intelligent and articulate criminal who has been able to fool the Parole Board - not once, but four times - and gain release to go on to further serious offending.

"His most recent parole was on 10 special conditions including continuing to take medication for long time mental illness, and abstaining from drugs and alcohol.

He lasted less than three months before seriously breaching his parole conditions and evading capture for two days after crashing a car.

"He is also a perfect example of the type of offender who would have been prevented from offending long ago had ACT's 'Three Strikes' law been in place.

Assuming he was released in the first place from the 'life' sentence for murder - which would be his first 'strike' - he would have received 14 years for the aggravated robbery committed in 2003, thus saving the female victim who suffered at his hands shortly thereafter.

McGlynn would, in fact, have been in jail for his latest armed robbery until 2017.

"Once he is recalled, McGlynn should never again be released lest he join the 12 other offenders who have served a 'life' sentence for murder only to kill again upon release," Mr Garrett said.

kirky
21-10-2009, 09:52 AM
"Once he is recalled, McGlynn should never again be released lest he join the 12 other offenders who have served a 'life' sentence for murder only to kill again upon release," Mr Garrett said.

The families should be able to sue the government for falsely representing things by calling a few years a life sentence, the word life in this case is totally meaningless.

Its a terrible thing to wish for but maybe if we could have several family members of MPs murdered by killers who are released early something might be done about our pathetic justice system.:mad:

shasta
23-10-2009, 06:20 PM
The families should be able to sue the government for falsely representing things by calling a few years a life sentence, the word life in this case is totally meaningless.

Its a terrible thing to wish for but maybe if we could have several family members of MPs murdered by killers who are released early something might be done about our pathetic justice system.:mad:

Today's nominee from the shallow end of the gene pool...

Man jailed at least 11 years for fatal beating

A Northland man who brutally bashed another man to death after a petty argument will spend at least 11 year and three months in jail for murder.

Rota John Kohi Ranapia, 31, was today sentenced to life imprisonment in the High Court at Whangarei after he earlier pleaded guilty to the murder of Stephen Rundlett, 38.

Justice Lynton Stevens imposed a minimum non-parole period of 11 years and three months.

The murder happened after an argument at a farmhouse Ranapia occupied in Tauraroa, 24km southwest of Whangarei, on September 8 last year.

The court had been told Mr Rundlett had cuts to his head, a broken neck, bruising to his face and body and some bleeding to the brain.

He was also clutching handfuls of his own hair from holding on to his head to protect himself and cover his face.

Ranapia viciously beat Mr Rundlett to death just hours after meeting him.

During the drinking session at Ranapia's farmhouse an argument developed between Ranapia and Mr Rundlett about midnight while the former's partner and daughter were watching television in a bedroom.

Mr Rundlett fell to the ground and Ranapia got on top of him and started punching him with both fists to the head and face.
Ranapia's partner tried to drag him away, but was ordered to go back to her room.

Mr Rundlett lay motionless on the kitchen floor with Ranapia standing over him, covered in blood.

Ranapia then picked him up, dragged him to the doorway and started punching and kicking him again.

- NZPA

belgarion
29-10-2009, 12:51 PM
Dangerous Right Wing Nutter. Destiny Church (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10605956&pnum=0)

Scumbag? Without a shadow of a doubt!

Voice of God? Voice of the DEVIL would be far more appropriate. Reads like something from the Hitler youth movement!

dragonz
29-10-2009, 02:03 PM
Dangerous Right Wing Nutter. Destiny Church (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10605956&pnum=0)

Scumbag? Without a shadow of a doubt!

Voice of God? Voice of the DEVIL would be far more appropriate. Reads like something from the Hitler youth movement!

So whats the difference between this and say - any polical group, greens, Rotary, Loins, Masons etc

minimoke
29-10-2009, 02:14 PM
So whats the difference between this and say - any polical group, greens, Rotary, Loins, Masons etc
Perhasp that Desitny attracts those in society who are more vulnerable than others. And since they are vulnerable they can more easily be exploited and manipulated.

The members of groups you've mentioned may be misguided but are arguably well intentioned and probably in a better decison to make a rational choice.

dragonz
29-10-2009, 02:32 PM
Perhasp that Desitny attracts those in society who are more vulnerable than others. And since they are vulnerable they can more easily be exploited and manipulated.

The members of groups you've mentioned may be misguided but are arguably well intentioned and probably in a better decison to make a rational choice.

Good point Minimoke. I guess where im coming from though is those who sign up to Tamaki may well be misguided, what is the harm to society as a whole. These types of people may well find other causes. Human nature dictates that we are all seeking something other then ourselves. Except for the well adjusted minimokes of the world, who seem to use logic, as their guiding force. believe me my friend. you are in the minority.

dragonz
29-10-2009, 02:33 PM
Perhasp that Desitny attracts those in society who are more vulnerable than others. And since they are vulnerable they can more easily be exploited and manipulated.

The members of groups you've mentioned may be misguided but are arguably well intentioned and probably in a better decison to make a rational choice.

Also might add that I'd rather see these "vulnerable" be exploited by Tamaki, then P or the gangs

minimoke
29-10-2009, 02:46 PM
what is the harm to society as a whole.
Perhasp, at the moment none - though I suspect the homosexual community find some harm in Desiny's (and other Churches) preachings. It is the harm in the future which may be the problem. I'm of the view these people should be free to sign up to anything they like - I have no problem with that. But if the wheels fall off then those people need to stand up and take responsibility for that outcome and not expect me to prop them up for their poor decison making.

While there may be no harm now I suspect that a Church led by a person displaying meglomaniacial tendencies it is simply a matter of time. No-one saw the harm in Bert Potter, Doug Metcalf or Graham Cappill at the time

mondograss
29-10-2009, 02:52 PM
The two big problems are that
1) Destiny tithes its followers like there's no tomorrow. Their followers are usually people that can't afford it, but feel pressured into it. This in turn leads to a perpetuation of their poverty and dependency on the Church, reinforcing the hold Tamaki has over them. I'm sure some will blather on about freedom of choice, but religion does funny things to people and their ability to make rational decisions, particularly where money is concerned.

2) That it radicalises its followers. I've always had a strong aversion to mixing religion and politics, but Destiny sees itself as a political force and with the cult like arrangements that it has, that doesn't bode well for people of logic if they get any meaningful traction.

minimoke
29-10-2009, 02:54 PM
Also might add that I'd rather see these "vulnerable" be exploited by Tamaki, then P or the gangs
I'd rather see that these people weren't expolited at all. And I'm not sure that exploitation by Tamaki automatically excludes explotation by gangs and P pushers.

dragonz
29-10-2009, 03:07 PM
The two big problems are that
1) Destiny tithes its followers like there's no tomorrow. Their followers are usually people that can't afford it, but feel pressured into it. This in turn leads to a perpetuation of their poverty and dependency on the Church, reinforcing the hold Tamaki has over them. I'm sure some will blather on about freedom of choice, but religion does funny things to people and their ability to make rational decisions, particularly where money is concerned.

2) That it radicalises its followers. I've always had a strong aversion to mixing religion and politics, but Destiny sees itself as a political force and with the cult like arrangements that it has, that doesn't bode well for people of logic if they get any meaningful traction.

Auctually religion has always played a major part in polictics around the world. I would think that NZ is auctually unque in this area. Extreme Ideology that preys on peoples fears can take many different forms. Where do you think the Greens or Act get get their deciples. Same Radicalism, different clothes

dragonz
29-10-2009, 03:08 PM
I'd rather see that these people weren't expolited at all. And I'm not sure that exploitation by Tamaki automatically excludes explotation by gangs and P pushers.

Well mate with all due respect, I would say that this has more to do with your life experiances, then anything else

minimoke
29-10-2009, 03:09 PM
but religion does funny things to people

Though I'm wondering if Tamaki is leading his devotees into the world of a cult rather than a religion. Control of information is one of the foundations needed to brainwash people.

George
29-10-2009, 03:14 PM
Can anyone see a similarity to Jim Jones here? Mass suicides
down the track?

RazorX
29-10-2009, 03:17 PM
In my justice system he would have got 23 years

In my justice system he would have been hung.

Amen! In my justice system he would have been hung too. We don't have a justice system - we have a 'try and make things easier for the criminal' system. The guy was paroled from jail when he murdered those two. We should get tough on crims and do away with 'criminal rights'. If you murder or rape somebody you don't have rights. Full stop.

mondograss
29-10-2009, 03:21 PM
Though I'm wondering if Tamaki is leading his devotees into the world of a cult rather than a religion. Control of information is one of the foundations needed to brainwash people.

True enough, Scientology falls under the same banner, just a bit less established on the religious doctrine side than the christian basis for Destiny.

minimoke
29-10-2009, 03:23 PM
Can anyone see a similarity to Jim Jones here? Mass suicides
down the track?
Nope. But my moneys on either kiddy fiddling or sex outside the marital relationship where consent is ambiguous.

dragonz
29-10-2009, 03:27 PM
True enough, Scientology falls under the same banner, just a bit less established on the religious doctrine side than the christian basis for Destiny.

I took a bit of time to suss out this Scientology theme. Also spent a bit of time with the Harre Christnias. I mean, what are we supposed to do? Put down everything that we dont understand. I just say lets not get carried away. making referances to to Jim Jones is ridicolous.

As to razor. Grow up or piss off.

Sorry for my spelling. Just a product of our wonderful education system

mondograss
29-10-2009, 03:35 PM
...I would think that NZ is auctually unque in this area....

And I'd quite like to keep it that way.

As for Greens and Act, yes I guess that's true to an extent in terms of motivation, but there doesn't tend to be the sheer hatred that you often see falling out of a religiously motivated radical group. Maybe on an individual level, but the moderate elements tend to be more respected\tolerated than they are in religious groups and there's usually a broader leadership within the organisation since they're based on democratic principles at their core, rather than a religious group that tends towards a dictatorship with extreme devotation to their "messiah".

shasta
29-10-2009, 03:36 PM
Dangerous Right Wing Nutter. Destiny Church (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10605956&pnum=0)

Scumbag? Without a shadow of a doubt!

Voice of God? Voice of the DEVIL would be far more appropriate. Reads like something from the Hitler youth movement!

Right wing? More like a self serving hypocrite looney leftie :rolleyes:

He follows the Nanny state agenda, whilst benefitting himself!

The guy is a control freak wanting ultimate power, that's following the path of Helengrad!

mondograss
29-10-2009, 03:40 PM
I took a bit of time to suss out this Scientology theme. Also spent a bit of time with the Harre Christnias. I mean, what are we supposed to do? Put down everything that we dont understand. I just say lets not get carried away. making referances to to Jim Jones is ridicolous.

As to razor. Grow up or piss off.

Sorry for my spelling. Just a product of our wonderful education system

I understand Scientology quite well actually, and having started with very little knowledge of them I came around to the conclusion that they're a bunch of self-interested nutters. The local mob are fairly low-key, but they work in the same way as Destiny, prey on a lack of confidence and knowledge, suck people in and bleed them dry in the interests of saving them from themselves. Not surprised they got done over in France and their bullying tactics in the States are well documented.

mondograss
29-10-2009, 03:41 PM
Right wing? More like a self serving hypocrite looney leftie :rolleyes:

He follows the Nanny state agenda, whilst benefitting himself!

The guy is a control freak wanting ultimate power, that's following the path of Helengrad!

Oh grow up Shasta! Can you not have a reasonable discussion without making it all about your own peculiar ideology?

minimoke
29-10-2009, 03:50 PM
I just say lets not get carried away. making referances to to Jim Jones is ridicolous.

Agreed. Though hte warning flags are fluttering in the breeze now. Once Destiny buys land and sets up their own gated community is when the those flags will be blowing in a gale.

dragonz
29-10-2009, 04:04 PM
Agreed. Though hte warning flags are fluttering in the breeze now. Once Destiny buys land and sets up their own gated community is when the those flags will be blowing in a gale.

Agreed. Apart from benifiting the local propery market, whats the problem. They cant sign a local loyalty pact without attracting national attention. What do you think a Death pack would attract. Apart from that, talk to thier neibours. many live in Maritai. Cant spell it but its oppisite where I live on Waiheke Island. People from this community tell me that they are decent members of the community. Whats the problem really. Excepting that we are forever looking at a reason to put down those that dont fit into our own little conception of what people should think and live.

dragonz
29-10-2009, 04:24 PM
And I'd quite like to keep it that way.

As for Greens and Act, yes I guess that's true to an extent in terms of motivation, but there doesn't tend to be the sheer hatred that you often see falling out of a religiously motivated radical group. Maybe on an individual level, but the moderate elements tend to be more respected\tolerated than they are in religious groups and there's usually a broader leadership within the organisation since they're based on democratic principles at their core, rather than a religious group that tends towards a dictatorship with extreme devotation to their "messiah".

Mondo, i see what your saying but in my experiance I have seen sheer hatred falling out of a group other then just a relious group. This "hatred" takes many forms and doesnt just rely on religion. I saw it when I tried to get a property developement underway and became a personal target from the local Greens. This was despite a lifetime of putting far more of my time into community projects then was benificial at the time. I also dont quite have the faith in "democratic" organisations as you have. They all tend to be dictatorships in one form or another that have managed to get the "4th estate onside". We have a entenched tall poppy syndrome in this country and I cant help feeling that this is the biggest protest against tamaki. I may be wrong, but at the end of the day its not my call. neither should it be anybody elses

minimoke
29-10-2009, 04:31 PM
Excepting that we are forever looking at a reason to put down those that dont fit into our own little conception of what people should think and live.
I'm not sure thats the case here. It appears that Destiny is trying to control what it is that people (the reported 700 men) think and what/how they communicate. So it is Destiny who is shrinking that perhaps already small conception. It is Destiny that are giving the opportuinties that come from the Oath to the Menfolk, thus further limiting that conception - are women not worthy or able to follow the protocols.

I think you miss my point about Destiny buying a gated community. While their followers are at large in the wider community they are in relative safety. The moment they are enclosed within four walls they then become totally under the control of the leader who is then able to control all information and behaviours - and that is where the danger lies. We'de have no idea what pacts they were signing.

I'm not sure if Destiny did buy such a property that surrounding values would increase. Certainly the neighbours of the God Squad had concerns which would have rippled negatively into their property values. Unless of course it runs a bit like John Dalhoff where it is said that properties around his "centre of the universe" ZAP residence in Christchurch increased in value.

mondograss
29-10-2009, 04:42 PM
Mondo, i see what your saying but in my experiance I have seen sheer hatred falling out of a group other then just a relious group. This "hatred" takes many forms and doesnt just rely on religion. I saw it when I tried to get a property developement underway and became a personal target from the local Greens. This was despite a lifetime of putting far more of my time into community projects then was benificial at the time. I also dont quite have the faith in "democratic" organisations as you have. They all tend to be dictatorships in one form or another that have managed to get the "4th estate onside". We have a entenched tall poppy syndrome in this country and I cant help feeling that this is the biggest protest against tamaki. I may be wrong, but at the end of the day its not my call. neither should it be anybody elses

I think the thing with democratic organisations is that they tend to have established rules to get rid of their more extreme elements, including their leaders. Religious organisations by contrast tend to make this as difficult as possible unless the move comes from the top. Political groups are typically member driven with the members directing the ideology (and the leaders acting as inspiration at first and then a drag on that until they get booted out for being too far removed from the dominant ideology of the group).

Religious groups tend to be leader driven, with the leader being the all-knowing diviner of the ideology, and personal interpretations of members tend to be suppressed.

Not denying people get passionate about more than just religion. Environmentalism has a lot of parallels with religion when you think about it, nature worship etc.

dragonz
29-10-2009, 04:52 PM
I'm not sure thats the case here. It appears that Destiny is trying to control what it is that people (the reported 700 men) think and what/how they communicate. So it is Destiny who is shrinking that perhaps already small conception. It is Destiny that are giving the opportuinties that come from the Oath to the Menfolk, thus further limiting that conception - are women not worthy or able to follow the protocols.

I think you miss my point about Destiny buying a gated community. While their followers are at large in the wider community they are in relative safety. The moment they are enclosed within four walls they then become totally under the control of the leader who is then able to control all information and behaviours - and that is where the danger lies. We'de have no idea what pacts they were signing.

I'm not sure if Destiny did buy such a property that surrounding values would increase. Certainly the neighbours of the God Squad had concerns which would have rippled negatively into their property values. Unless of course it runs a bit like John Dalhoff where it is said that properties around his "centre of the universe" ZAP residence in Christchurch increased in value.

OK minimoke. Im going to open myself up a wee bit here. many of the members go to all the cafes, supermarkets, fishing grounds as thier niebours. I do see the problem of the more vunerable being attracted to this however.

As to property valuations, believe me that this will have a positive influence on valuations. Your intellient enoeough to figure out why so I'm not going to waste time on this one.

As to the oath to menfolk. Whats the big deal.I think we have been limiting women and putting far to much pressure on women for far too long. My wife is a great Mother and caretaker. She has 3 children to bring up and I'll be damded if she has to worry about providing. The other day I noticed that she had the flue but that didnt stop her from making lunces and making us breakfeast and getting the kids of to school. She also makes sure my son gets of to golf practice. I would be lost without her. The problem of paying the bills is mine. She has never complained even when I was facing Bankrupsy.

dragonz
29-10-2009, 04:58 PM
I think the thing with democratic organisations is that they tend to have established rules to get rid of their more extreme elements, including their leaders. Religious organisations by contrast tend to make this as difficult as possible unless the move comes from the top. Political groups are typically member driven with the members directing the ideology (and the leaders acting as inspiration at first and then a drag on that until they get booted out for being too far removed from the dominant ideology of the group).

Religious groups tend to be leader driven, with the leader being the all-knowing diviner of the ideology, and personal interpretations of members tend to be suppressed.

Not denying people get passionate about more than just religion. Environmentalism has a lot of parallels with religion when you think about it, nature worship etc.

Believe me mate, this sounds great in theory but is not true. Most "people driven movements " have ended up as movements of the most dedicated individuals at any given time. I think you have too much faith in the collective.

I dont want to bring Stalin, Hitler, Helen, but you get my drift.

minimoke
29-10-2009, 05:07 PM
OK minimoke. Im going to open myself up a wee bit here. many of the members go to all the cafes, supermarkets, fishing grounds as thier niebours. I do see the problem of the more vunerable being attracted to this however.
I'll take your word for that. i was under teh impression that teh congregation was primarily lower socio-economic Maori and pacific islanders. Whcih isn't to suggest such peoples don't go to cafes and supermaerkets but I just don't see thm as peoepl who woudl create a surge in property values.


As to property valuations, believe me that this will have a positive influence on valuations. Your intellient enoeough to figure out why so I'm not going to waste time on this one.But of insufficient intelligence to work that one out. A cult moving into a neighbourhood woudl, I'd imagine, hjave a negative impact on proerty values adn I'm struggling to work out how it could add value.



As to the oath to menfolk. Whats the big deal.I think we have been limiting women and putting far to much pressure on women for far too long. No big deal providing teh women were given an opportunity to have a say on the arrangement. If they didn't then there is a problem with men assuming they know what is right for their womenfolk or if women have been manouvered into a sub servient role

dragonz
29-10-2009, 05:37 PM
I'll take your word for that. i was under teh impression that teh congregation was primarily lower socio-economic Maori and pacific islanders. Whcih isn't to suggest such peoples don't go to cafes and supermaerkets but I just don't see thm as peoepl who woudl create a surge in property values.

But of insufficient intelligence to work that one out. A cult moving into a neighbourhood woudl, I'd imagine, hjave a negative impact on proerty values adn I'm struggling to work out how it could add value.

No big deal providing teh women were given an opportunity to have a say on the arrangement. If they didn't then there is a problem with men assuming they know what is right for their womenfolk or if women have been manouvered into a sub servient role

Thanks minimoke, I had to laugh when I read your post. I wasnt sure if you where serious or not. As to cafes you had better to ask neibours of Tamaki. forget the media. as to property again ask those affected.

As to the womenfolk issue I pity the poor man that assumes they know what is right for their womenfolk. They will either be a virgin, or very lonley

All Im saying is thats its better to ask those directly affected then relying on sesantional medis reports

dragonz
29-10-2009, 06:31 PM
After this conversation I thought I'd wonder down stairs and ask my wifes opinion. She is a great anchor as more often then not she doent watch the news and she is is a very staight talker. Before kicking me out off the kitchen (she was valcuming) she said , "why not, this is his business, and its not hurting anyone" Once again the great word of wisdom. too often we are willing to jugde something because it falls outside our comfort zone - which in other words means that it doesnt fall into our life experiances. I say lets keep an open mind on this one.

This Country has an appalling record for looking after a certain group and age and we all know what this is. Maori babies are being bashed to death. If we have someone that can help change this in some small way then all the power to him.

We wont find a Pakeha solution to a Maroi problem not matter how much we point the finger

minimoke
29-10-2009, 08:12 PM
, "why not, this is his business, and its not hurting anyone"
and insightful too. It appears it is a "business" perhaps maskerading as a religion

However the "he's not hurting anyone" is a cop out.

Thats a view of the world now - not a view of what his intentions are. We can presume Tamakis intentions are honourable and good. However he is displaying signs that are not consistent with that.

Remeber it was "Uncle Stan" down the road who had good intentions with those little children - before he stuck it to them. It was those clean white business folk who had "good intentions" before they sucessfully fleeced the elderly and trusting of their life savings. Theres been loads of "good intentions" which has ended in misery. I'm hopeful thats not the case with Destiny but I don't think the signs are that healthy.




This Country has an appalling record for looking after a certain group and age and we all know what this is.well, with due respects, thats pretty condescending - can't that group take responsibility and look after themsleves?

[Maori babies are being bashed to death.[/quote]
Best not get me started on that!


If we have someone that can help change this in some small way then all the power to him.

We wont find a Pakeha solution to a Maroi problem not matter how much we point the fingerAsolutely ! If Tamaki can turn things around for the vulnerable then thats fantastic. It strikes me though that hes' not providing a non-pakeha solution to a Maori problem. He's providing solutions which give him a great life style and an opportuity to inflate his persona and ego - again worrying signs!

The moment you start crosing the line between a "religion" and a "cult" then you need to be worried for those that are ensnared by it. Tamaki is certainly starting to tick a few more boxes and heading in that direction.

shasta
29-10-2009, 08:41 PM
Oh grow up Shasta! Can you not have a reasonable discussion without making it all about your own peculiar ideology?

Fair enough, i shall tone it down, don't wanna go the same way as H :(

dragonz
29-10-2009, 11:27 PM
and insightful too. It appears it is a "business" perhaps maskerading as a religion

However the "he's not hurting anyone" is a cop out.

Thats a view of the world now - not a view of what his intentions are. We can presume Tamakis intentions are honourable and good. However he is displaying signs that are not consistent with that.

Remeber it was "Uncle Stan" down the road who had good intentions with those little children - before he stuck it to them. It was those clean white business folk who had "good intentions" before they sucessfully fleeced the elderly and trusting of their life savings. Theres been loads of "good intentions" which has ended in misery. I'm hopeful thats not the case with Destiny but I don't think the signs are that healthy.



well, with due respects, thats pretty condescending - can't that group take responsibility and look after themsleves?

[Maori babies are being bashed to death.
Best not get me started on that!

Asolutely ! If Tamaki can turn things around for the vulnerable then thats fantastic. It strikes me though that hes' not providing a non-pakeha solution to a Maori problem. He's providing solutions which give him a great life style and an opportuity to inflate his persona and ego - again worrying signs!

The moment you start crosing the line between a "religion" and a "cult" then you need to be worried for those that are ensnared by it. Tamaki is certainly starting to tick a few more boxes and heading in that direction.[/QUOTE]

Dont worry mini. If he gets a good lifestlye then good on him. I think his intention forpasses this however. Why else would you put your energy into this

mondograss
30-10-2009, 09:28 AM
Believe me mate, this sounds great in theory but is not true. Most "people driven movements " have ended up as movements of the most dedicated individuals at any given time. I think you have too much faith in the collective.

I dont want to bring Stalin, Hitler, Helen, but you get my drift.

Having been actively involved in the Labour party for many years, including their policy process at times, I can say that it's not theory, the members and by proxy the unions, drive a lot of the policy and ideology. But that's not the same as the implementation (the members might decide policy, but the ministers and the PM decide what to implement and when) but when that disconnect gets too great, the leadership gets replaced (often because the members are more in touch with the wider electorate and so if you disconnect with your members, you disconnect from the electorate and get voted out).

We are after all a peaceful, democratic organisation, not a radical, autocratic one, however others might like to portray us. But yes I do have a lot of faith in the collective, that's why I'm in the Labour Party. And don't classify Helen in with Stalin and Hitler, that's disingenuous and you know it.

Nevl
30-10-2009, 10:37 AM
Hone Harawera is my vote for today. One week after Peter Sharples decribes me as the enemy Hone Harawera tells me he doesn't give a S**t what I think.

Go the Maori party. Sooner we get rid of the Maori seats the better. I used to have a bit of regard for Sharples but now i don't give a s**t about him and his party.

AMR
30-10-2009, 11:30 PM
Not often I argue from the left, but what the heck is Michael Laws going on about? A revival of eugenics?

Nevl
31-10-2009, 08:16 AM
Not often I argue from the left, but what the heck is Michael Laws going on about? A revival of eugenics?

It wasn't eugenics. He just said that maybe we should offer money say $5000 or $10000 to deadbeat parents to get get sterilised. Save a fortune in the long run. He used the case on radio to say that something like 200 babies a year get taken from their parents at birth by Cyfs so why not just cut out the middle man and ask if these people would rather get sterilised than go through the hassle of pregnancy and cyfs and still having no kids.

The deadbeats get money and we get less hassles as a society. The scheme is entirely voluntary. Also there are contraceptives that can be implanted that are effective for 5 or 10 years. Maybe thats a more platable option.

Hard to argue against when it is uncoericed and there is a financial incentive.

craic
31-10-2009, 10:47 AM
So poor old Tamaki is a sinner and a fraud for building a personal stake on the backs of his followers while the Queen, as head of the English church lives on her humble savings in a council flat?

shasta
31-10-2009, 03:07 PM
Not often I argue from the left, but what the heck is Michael Laws going on about? A revival of eugenics?

Laws thrives on contraversy, & does it all for his radio show ratings.

I think he's getting way too much attention over this, best just ignore him

Nita
31-10-2009, 03:19 PM
Hard to argue against when it is uncoericed and there is a financial incentive.it is impossible to argue if you have no ethics or morality

Nita
31-10-2009, 03:21 PM
So poor old Tamaki is a sinner and a fraud for building a personal stake on the backs of his followers while the Queen, as head of the English church lives on her humble savings in a council flat?I couldnt agree more except for the queen bit of course

shasta
01-11-2009, 05:44 PM
Shasta......buddy......I think Michael Laws does what majority of NZs want but we all know if us average Joe Blogs say it then we get crucified for being racist or discriminate or........

Laws has had his 5 minutes of spotlight, time to return the thread back to outing scumbags...

Today's entrant from the shallow end of the gene pool, a real con artist

Man accused of 'cancer' scam

An Auckland man is due to appear in court this week accused of cheating city churches out of hundreds of thousands of dollars on the pretext he needed money for cancer treatment.

The 39-year-old allegedly conned $500,000 out of churches over the last five years when he asked for help for his medical treatment and word of his "plight" spread over the city, the Sunday News reported today.

The money was used to fund his gambling addiction.

He is due in Auckland District Court later this week on a charge of obtaining money by deception.

shasta
01-11-2009, 07:25 PM
F..kheads like that who are guilty beyond doubt should rot in HELL Shasta:mad:

When you think how those funds could have been used, i do hope they throw the book at him.

$500,000 stocks alot of food banks for the needy.

Kind of ironic that the very organiations he stole from would have been able to help him with his gambling addiction!

Nevl
01-11-2009, 09:23 PM
it is impossible to argue if you have no ethics or morality

so whats your solution to having all these kids taken away at birth? A fair few of them will have drug addictions from birth and be handed on to an over burdened system with no real future?

The status quo is a failed system.

Whats your answer?

Nita
01-11-2009, 09:58 PM
so whats your solution to having all these kids taken away at birth? A fair few of them will have drug addictions from birth and be handed on to an over burdened system with no real future?

The status quo is a failed system.

Whats your answer?Simple in thoury, difficult in reality.
1/Education
2/ Installing strong family and relgious values
3/ Strong punishment for the use or dealing in ilegal drugs

After 4 years living and workin gin Malaysia it works over there so i cant see why its not possible to work here over time.

Problem with your view is that you are placing a value depending on the stature, education, ethnicity of the people affected. Sounds a bit nazi to me

RazorX
01-11-2009, 10:10 PM
Hmm Nita once again you and I agree.

I agree with all three points, as well as the 'difficult' bit.

A few thoughts of my own: In this country strong family values were virtually wiped out by Helen and co after 9 years in power, and as for religion that gets shot down pretty quickly too. Take a look at Tamaki. He's getting hammered, and yet all he has done is good. Some interviewer was asking about all the tithing. Well whats it to them? People give donations to many causes, some of them far less than Destiny. People have called Obama a messiah - did anyone jump up and down? No they loved it.

If people were more worried about dealing with drugs, and those girls that beat up that teenager, than beating up on religious moves we'd be better off.

Nevl
02-11-2009, 10:12 AM
Simple in thoury, difficult in reality.
1/Education
2/ Installing strong family and relgious values
3/ Strong punishment for the use or dealing in ilegal drugs

After 4 years living and workin gin Malaysia it works over there so i cant see why its not possible to work here over time.

Problem with your view is that you are placing a value depending on the stature, education, ethnicity of the people affected. Sounds a bit nazi to me

Exactly. Difficult. In fact some would argue impossible without even more draconian laws in place. After all how do legislate family values? Muslim family values, Christian ones or secular? And then enforcement of those values. Fining Parents who fail to enforce curfews on their kids? How do you even find these parents with out a CCTV camera in every household. Def agree on the number 3 and with education, that must come from the family and as we know there is a huge segment of our society who won't even help in teaching their kids to read let alone to live a decent responsible life.

Sorry Maylasia would not be model of a society that I would like to see promoted in NZ with the dishonesty and hippocracy that seems such a huge part of their culture.

Also 80% of NZ society is getting it right. And even in Maori families a huge majority are getting it right. We are focusing on a very small part of our society. Most Maori kids that I work with and deal with are awesome and polite and great kids. However denial that there is a problem with 75% of kids killed since the the anti smacking bill being Maori is just stupid. The thing is only 1 of those kids killed has being of 100% Caucasian descent means that Caucasian child death statistics are amongst the best in the world. Even Sweden is not as good. Not pretending that anything is perfect but in the light of the fact that we have a major failure in a tiny section of society that is now being handed on to the next generation we need to find an effective and efficent strategy to stop another generation passing on the same problems.

blockhead
02-11-2009, 10:14 AM
Haven't looked over here in the SOTD section for a day or two, very surprised you have all let Michael Laws off so lightly, castrate them, sterilise them, oh hang what a waste why not just give them the lethal injection.

Very dangerous to be heading off down that road.

A certain German gentlemans name comes to mind ???

shasta
02-11-2009, 11:30 AM
Haven't looked over here in the SOTD section for a day or two, very surprised you have all let Michael Laws off so lightly, castrate them, sterilise them, oh hang what a waste why not just give them the lethal injection.

Very dangerous to be heading off down that road.

A certain German gentlemans name comes to mind ???

We are ignoring Michael Laws, he is playing the media to increase his radio show's ratings, there are bigger scumbags around than him.

He's had his 5 minutes in the headlines!

shasta
02-11-2009, 11:32 AM
We are ignoring Michael Laws, he is playing the media to increase his radio show's ratings, there are bigger scumbags around than him.

He's had his 5 minutes in the headlines!

...and here's today's SOTD

Paedophile avoids preventative jail term

A Christchurch paedophile with a history of offending dating back to the early 1990s has avoided preventive detention, despite the judge saying he believed the man would reoffend.

Robert Reginald Neill, 60, pleaded guilty to one charge of sexual violation by unlawful sexual connection and two charges of sexual conduct with an 11-year-old boy, The Press reported.

At his recent sentencing in the High Court in Christchurch, Justice Rhys Harrison said he was "satisfied ... that [Neill] would be likely to commit another qualifying offence".

But his willingness to undertake sexual offending programmes had saved him from a preventive sentence.

Instead the judge imposed a 5-1/2-year jail term with a minimum non-parole period of 3-1/2 years.

Neill had five previous convictions dating from 1992 for indecency offences against a boy and girl under 12, and a young male.

He had previously been unable to attend sexual offending programmes, the judge said.

minimoke
02-11-2009, 11:45 AM
We are ignoring Michael Laws, he is playing the media to increase his radio show's ratings, there are bigger scumbags around than him.

He's had his 5 minutes in the headlines!
I'm not sure if he got nominated for the SOTD and if he did I can't work out why - seems like quite a good idea to me.

There is already a lot of intervention in the birthing process. You can have a 12 year old at school given state funded contraception, without parental consent or knowledge, to prevent un-wanted births; you have the morning after pill for the same thing. For those that managed to miss the first two options there is the termination option - all so far voluntary. You then have the state, through the already over burdoned tax payer funding birth incetyives through the DPB and Paid Parental leave - also voluntary and very expensive. Beyond that we birth - whcih for some means hospitals in which bashed kids get admitted, foster homes in which some will be abused, CYPS social workers with a case load too big to handle, whanau in which they will be luckky to survice adolescence; funeral parlour where some will lie; and then onwards to wayward parents who can't be bothered putting a book in a home but will later give the kids their alchohol to drink until they kill someone else.

So why not cut the misery off at the begining - voluntary sterilisation in exchange for a cash gift is fiscally responsible. Tie this to penal reform and "one strike and your'e Out" and its off to the knackering yard seems to work in nicely with ACTS three strikes policy.

Clealry Laws idea is on the wrong thread!

Placebo
02-11-2009, 12:59 PM
...and here's today's SOTD

Paedophile avoids preventative jail term

A Christchurch paedophile with a history of offending dating back to the early 1990s has avoided preventive detention, despite the judge saying he believed the man would reoffend.

Robert Reginald Neill, 60, pleaded guilty to one charge of sexual violation by unlawful sexual connection and two charges of sexual conduct with an 11-year-old boy, The Press reported.

At his recent sentencing in the High Court in Christchurch, Justice Rhys Harrison said he was "satisfied ... that [Neill] would be likely to commit another qualifying offence".

But his willingness to undertake sexual offending programmes had saved him from a preventive sentence.

Instead the judge imposed a 5-1/2-year jail term with a minimum non-parole period of 3-1/2 years.

Neill had five previous convictions dating from 1992 for indecency offences against a boy and girl under 12, and a young male.

He had previously been unable to attend sexual offending programmes, the judge said.


another one where you have to question the judge's decision. I mean, come on. The guy has some serious form, and those sex offender programmes have very worrying (if any) success rates. Preventive if ever I saw it Justice Harrison!

Skol
03-11-2009, 08:52 AM
How about Bailey Junior Kurariki for scumbag of the day (again).
A series of court appearances for breaching supervision and wilful damage.

This guy might qualify as NZ's biggest loser.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/kurariki-back-in-court-facing-raft-charges-3108768

Placebo
03-11-2009, 04:03 PM
How about Bailey Junior Kurariki for scumbag of the day (again).
A series of court appearances for breaching supervision and wilful damage.

This guy might qualify as NZ's biggest loser.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/kurariki-back-in-court-facing-raft-charges-3108768

Or maybe it's just the media being lazy?

Soft target. There are plenty of other crims just like him (albeit ones that didn't kill a pizza guy when aged 12)

shasta
03-11-2009, 04:09 PM
Or maybe it's just the media being lazy?

Soft target. There are plenty of other crims just like him (albeit ones that didn't kill a pizza guy when aged 12)

Suicidal or not, driving on the wrong side of the road & not brakeing is both callous & premediatated, surely?

Murder accused never braked before driving into victim, court told

http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/A_2711009NZHGBWORRELL1_300x200.jpg

Tony Worrell collided with the car driven by Katie Powles at a speed of about 85km per hour - and no forensic evidence was found that he braked or tried to avoid a collision, a court has heard.

Crash analyst Constable Christopher Peet said there wasn't enough time or distance for Mrs Powles, 26, to avoid a collision with Worrell.

After the impact both cars started spinning until their final resting places, Mrs Powles Mazda into a shallow ditch on a grass verge and Worrell's Nissan in the opposite lane with the rear left wheel against a bridge abutment.

The front right wheel and suspension had been pushed under her seat, trapping her legs, requiring the fire service to cut her free.

Worrell is defending a murder charge at the High Court at Auckland, arguing he didn't deliberately crash into the 26-year-old on June 3, 2008.

She died in hospital a few hours after the crash.

Mr Peet said visibility was good at the time of the crash and the weather was fine and clear.

"Driving on the wrong side of the road is the primary causative factor for this crash. From a crash analysts perspective we are unable to ascertain the reason for the accused' movements in the westbound lane."

He told the court for Worrell's Nissan to collide with the red Mazda 323 driven by Mrs Powles there had to have been "other forces" acting on it to change its deflected path caused by the collision with a Fiat Uno.

The Fiat was driven by Brett Robinson who Worrell is accused of causing grievous bodily harm. Mr Robinson was seriously injured in the crash and has been unable to return to work.

Mr Peet said possible influences that could have changed the Nissan's deflected path were a deliberate or involuntary steering input, steering fault, damage from the first collision impacting on the steering or tyre pressures.

He couldn't say which.

Before the impact with Mr Robinson, Worrell is alleged to have crossed the centre line four times. Mr Peet said it couldn't be determined when those movements started or what caused them.

Worrell denies four additional charges of attempting to cause intentional damage.

Matthew Goodwin, representing Worrell, said it was the defence case that Worrell "didn't have suicide on his mind" the day of the accidents.

"Although his driving caused danger to road users, causing serious consequences for Mr Robinson and devastating consequences for Mrs Powles, the defence says Mr Worrell never meant to hurt either of those people."

Five defence witnesses will be called but Worrell will not give evidence himself.

shasta
04-11-2009, 03:07 PM
Today's waste of space is South African & the offences took place in Africa, but as he's living here & poses a threat to NZer's i'm nominating him for SOTD.

Former star denies sex attacks on teen singer

4:00AM Wednesday Nov 04, 2009


A former South African singing star now living in New Zealand has pleaded not guilty in the High Court at Pretoria to sexually molesting child singer Robbie Klay in their home country.

Jurie Els, who bought a house in Auckland in 2001, denies two charges of indecently assaulting Klay when he was between 11 and 16 and soliciting Klay to commit indecent acts.

State prosecutors alleged Els sexually molested and sodomised Klay for years at various places in the country.

Acting Judge Chris Eksteen rejected the prosecution's application for Klay to testify behind closed doors about the events that led to his tell-all tale in the media and the eventual criminal charges against Els.

Els' lawyer, Danie Dorfling, opposed the application, saying the right to a fair trial included the right to a public trial and the state had not presented any evidence why the court should grant such an unusual request.

"The complainant in this case exercised his discretion to tell his story to the whole world and to involve both the printed and electronic media," Mr Dorfling contended.

Els and his wife, former Olympic high jumper Hestrie Cloete, returned to Pretoria a week ago from New Zealand for the high-profile trial. The trial continues.

Placebo
05-11-2009, 01:06 PM
Today's nominee:

Father found guilty of 11-week-old's murder
By CLIO FRANCIS - Stuff.co.nz

A South Auckland man accused of starving, beating and finally killing his 11-week-old daughter has been found guilty of murder.

The 12 day trial for Azees Mahomed, 31, and his wife Tabbasum Mahomed, 26, came to a close at Auckland's High Court yesterday morning.

The six-woman and five-man jury deliberated for five hours before returning the unanimous verdicts this morning.

The couple's daughter, 11-week-old Tahani Mahomed, died in Auckland's Starship Hospital on New Years Day, 2008, after she arrived at Middlemore Hospital on December 28, 2007, with severe head injuries.

The jury also found him guilty of two charges of grievous bodily harm - which relate to breaking his daughter's leg and giving her a head injury so severe it caused brain damage between October 7 and December 26, 2007 - and one count of failing to provide the necessaries of life.

Tabbasum Mahomed was found guilty of one charge of failing to provide the necessaries of life.

Justice Harrison thanked the jury for their service in "a particularly difficult and traumatic trial".

"The circumstances have been extraordinary and traumatic."

The jury forewoman broke down in tears after delivering the verdict.

Justice Rhys Harrison summed up the case yesterday morning, telling the jury that given the tragic circumstances of baby Tahani's death it was "only natural" if they had felt an "emotional response" during the trial.

"However I ask you when you sit down in the jury room to put those emotions aside and focus purely on the evidence."

The burden of proof lay with the crown and the jury would have to be sure that each charge had been proven beyond reasonable doubt, Justice Harrison said.

On the opening day of the trial crown prosecutor Philip Hamlin had told the jury the South African born couple had treated their young daughter with "systematic neglect and violence".

Tahani had been born healthy and of a good weight on October 7, 2007, but, just over two months later, lay dead, Mr Hamlin said.

"In 11 weeks, baby Tahani has been neglected and not fed.

"In 11 weeks, baby Tahani has been left in a hot car for hours.

"In 11 weeks, baby Tahani has brain injury from the first injury she suffered.

"In 11 weeks, baby Tahani was the victim of the second and fatal head injury," Mr Hamlin told the jury.

The Crown alleged Tahani was murdered by her father when her head was "slammed against a very hard surface, twice".

The second blow to head had been of such violence the child never recovered, Mr Hamlin said. Azees Mohamed was also responsible for pulling the baby's left leg so hard it broke her shin bone, he said.
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When the parents finally took their daughter to hospital on December 28, 2007, she was gravely ill, the court heard.

The doctor who examined Tahani when she arrived at Middlemore Hospital described her as severely "malnourished", estimating her weight to be only 4 kilograms.

Mr Hamlin said that, when the Mahomeds had arrived at the hospital, they had told medical staff "they could not understand how or why the baby was in such a critical condition".
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3034435/Father-found-guilty-of-11-week-olds-murder

shasta
09-11-2009, 12:39 PM
Today's SOTD nomination has already featured before, but with some new info he worthy of another nomination & a dead cert for future "hall of famer"

One real sick puppy here folks

'House of horrors' murderer had sex with dead victims

A man who has admitted murdering two women and burying their bodies beneath his house had sex with both victims after killing them.

In Christchurch District Court this morning, Jason Paul Somerville, 33, admitted killing his wife Rebecca Chamberlain, 35, and neighbour Tisha Lowry, 28.

Police found the women's bodies under Somerville's Wainoni house in early September. Tisha Lowry was murdered in September 2008 after she disappeared while walking home. Rebecca Chamberlain was killed on August 30, 2009.

The summary of facts in the case says that Ms Lowry knew Somerville and went to his home between 10.50am and 12.30pm on Thursday September 25, 2008.

This was two houses from where Ms Lowry was living with her grandfather.
Ms Lowry had previously been to the home of Somerville and his wife, Rebecca Chamberlain.

Police say Somerville was home alone and answered a knock on his front door. He opened the door to find Ms Lowry standing there and invited her inside.

"Once inside the address a struggle has taken place, [Somerville] grabbed Tisha around her throat with his hands."

Ms Lowry struggled with Somerville, kicking and punching him, but he tightened his stranglehold.

"[Somerville] increased the pressure of the strangle to a point where the victim was no longer resisting and had lost consciousness. [Somerville] continued to squeeze her throat until he was certain she was no longer breathing," the summary of facts states.

He then forced a pair of his wife's underpants into Ms Lowry's throat, before removing her jeans and underwear and having sex with her.

Somerville was due to attend a meeting early that afternoon. Being short on time, he left the body of Ms Lowry lying on the floor of the cupboard under the stairs of his house.

He returned about an hour later with the knowledge that his wife was shortly due home. He removed the manhole cover on the floor of the stairwell cupboard, which led beneath the house.

Somerville dragged Ms Lowry's body and lowered her through the manhole and left her lying semi-naked under the house before putting the cover back over the manhole and cleaning the house in anticipation of his wife's return.

Ms Chamberlain returned to the home about 3pm that day and had no knowledge of what had taken place in her absence.

The following morning Ms Chamberlain left the house to attend a meeting, which Somerville knew would keep her away from the house for the majority of the day.

"[Somerville] has gone beneath the house and removed the remainder of the clothing worn by the victim. He again sexually violated her body by having sexual intercourse with her," the summary of facts states.

"He then dug a shallow grave near where she lay and buried her body along with the clothing that she had been wearing."

Ms Lowry was reported missing by family on September 28, 2008. A police investigation began and Somerville was spoken to on October 5, 2008, as part of routine inquiries in the area.

Somerville told police that he and his wife would often see Ms Lowry on the bus and about four weeks earlier she had knocked on their front door asking for another person.

Somerville also said that Ms Lowry came inside his house and they talked about the real estate agents that he was using to sell the property.

Somerville told police Ms Lowry had walked around his house and that he originally had assumed she was going to use the toilet.

He said after a short time he found her in their bedroom looking through the wardrobe and that he then asked her to leave.

The summary of facts says that about 9.30am on Sunday August 30, 2009, Somerville woke and attempted to have sex with his wife in their upstairs bedroom.

"She has not welcomed his sexual advances and has repeatedly said no to him."
Somerville then went downstairs to the kitchen and made a cup of coffee before returning to the bedroom and trying again to have sex with his wife.

She has again refused and this angered Somerville. He placed his arm around her neck in a headlock fashion and tightened his grip, compressing her airway.

Once she was unconscious, Somerville felt for a pulse, but found none.
Somerville then placed his fingers on top of vital arteries and applied firm downward pressure to ensure there was no chance of his wife regaining consciousness.

He then took a pair of underpants and stuffed them into his wife's throat.
"Once he established that the victim was no longer alive he proceeded to have sexual intercourse with her," the statement continued.

"He dragged her body out of the bedroom, along the hallway, down the flight of stairs, where he forced her through the manhole in the stairwell cupboard and buried her body in the sand underneath the floorboards."

About 2.15pm on Sunday August 30, 2009, Somerville phoned the Christchurch police and told them his wife was missing.

He told police she had left the house about 10.30am that day to go to church.
He said that she left without her house keys, which he felt was out of character and that her handbag, cellphone and bank cards were also left at home.

Somerville told police that his wife was a recovering alcoholic who was on medication for depression and that she had previously tried to harm herself after drinking.

On September 2, 2009, police spoke with Somerville again and established that his wife had still not returned or made contact with him.

The following day, Somerville went into the New Brighton police station and told police that he had discovered his wife's prescription glasses and wedding ring in their letterbox at his house where they must have been placed overnight.

When interviewed further, Somerville admitted that he had killed his wife and Ms Lowry.

In explanation, Somerville said he had become angry with Ms Lowry and killed her. He also stated that he killed his wife because he felt deep anger at being rejected for sex by her.

Judge Noble remanded Somerville - listed as unemployed - in custody until November 27 for a pre-sentence report.

The Crown said the issue of preventive detention may arise at sentencing and it is likely to call for reports on the psychiatric state of the accused.

Somerville's only previous appearance before the court was on a traffic related matter.

His house has been the subject of repeated arson attacks since the discovery of the women's bodies.

minimoke
09-11-2009, 01:14 PM
Today's SOTD nomination has already featured before, but with some new info he worthy of another nomination & a dead cert for future "hall of famer"

One real sick puppy here folks

I'll second that - but as I said on Kirkys cat thread - these people are walking amongst us. We don't have the pshcy services to look after such people and our governments would sooner they lived amongst the broader community rather than have the stigma of being institutionalised attached to them.

And in a word of defence for Christchurh (who is geting a bad rap for its crime) we are importing a number of these loons from other cities. We can partly blame the Prison Service on that with their move of inmates (and their associated dead beat families). But Somerville is pretty much in a class of his own though - someone whom his church couldn't save!

Placebo
10-11-2009, 09:54 AM
Come off it Mini - you can't blame everyone else for Chch's woes! Everyone knows Christchurch's high rate of looniness and weird crime is a product of

* insufferably flat landscape
* the dry nor'west "Fohn" wind,
* decades of inbreeding, and
* deeply suppressed Anglicanism and associated puritanical bullsh*t (Thanks Hone)

Chch has the highest proportion of psychiatirists per head of population in NZ. It also has the highest rates of antidepressant and antipsychotic prescribing.

Now, get off your sister and take your pills ;)

minimoke
10-11-2009, 11:33 AM
Now, get off your sister and take your pills ;)
Some might say there is little wrong with a loving and intimate relationship with a close relative. In the better parts of town we keep them above ground and breathing.

How does a Wellingtonian know he's satisfied his lover?

minimoke
10-11-2009, 11:34 AM
How does a Wellingtonian know he's satisfied his lover?
By the contented look on her face

minimoke
10-11-2009, 12:32 PM
Perhasp todays award could go to Nathan Connely for perpetuating teh image that Christchurch people are a bit odd. Why would he want sex with a prostitute? Thats just odd!

"A former-Christchurch policeman is in on trial for extorting free sex from a prostitute - on several occasions in the back of his patrol car.



Justice French lifted suppression on the name and former occupation of Nathan Thorose Connolly at the start of his High Court trial in Christchurch today.


He is charged with one count of corruptly obtaining a bribe and two charges of compelling sexual conduct knowing consent had been obtained through a threat.


The Crown says Connolly used a threat of $1000-worth of traffic fines to compel a Manchester St prostitute to give him free sex from December 2006 to September 2007.


On several occasions Connolly and the woman had sex in his marked police car, once in a cemetery in Belfast.


Connolly denies the charges, saying that though what he did was professionally and morally wrong, the sex was consensual and no threats were ever made."

shasta
10-11-2009, 01:04 PM
Perhasp todays award could go to Nathan Connely for perpetuating teh image that Christchurch people are a bit odd. Why would he want sex with a prostitute? Thats just odd!

"A former-Christchurch policeman is in on trial for extorting free sex from a prostitute - on several occasions in the back of his patrol car.



Justice French lifted suppression on the name and former occupation of Nathan Thorose Connolly at the start of his High Court trial in Christchurch today.


He is charged with one count of corruptly obtaining a bribe and two charges of compelling sexual conduct knowing consent had been obtained through a threat.


The Crown says Connolly used a threat of $1000-worth of traffic fines to compel a Manchester St prostitute to give him free sex from December 2006 to September 2007.


On several occasions Connolly and the woman had sex in his marked police car, once in a cemetery in Belfast.


Connolly denies the charges, saying that though what he did was professionally and morally wrong, the sex was consensual and no threats were ever made."

What's going on in Christchurch at the moment, Placebo might be on to something, those warm Nor'westers' seem to bring out the criminals!

Another nominee for SOTD, (again from Christchurch :rolleyes:)

Some sick puppies down there at the mo...:confused:

Family appeals for return of disabled boy's computer

The family of an eight-year-old mute boy with cerebral palsy whose sole means of communication with the outside world was stolen on the weekend has appealed for its return.

Thieves stole the $20,000 electronic communication device from his wheelchair, as Caleb Phillips sat and watched in his Christchurch home on Saturday.

Caleb was given the Ministry of Health-funded Dyvanox computer in April last year to help him communicate with others.

He had his family's names and details programmed, along with photos, phrases, songs and movies, and the device spoke for him at the press of a button, allowing him to say if he was hungry or felt sick.

Thieves snuck in the back door of the family's Wainoni home while Caleb's mother was hanging out washing on Saturday afternoon.

First they took the device's charger from his mother's bag, then the large, flat, touch-screen device while Caleb was using it.

Software on the machine tailored to the boy could not be used by anyone else, and it was password-protected, his mother Zara Phillips said.

"It is of no use to anyone but [Caleb] and allows him to attend school and communicate with others."

She hoped the thieves would realise they could not use it and leave it somewhere.

It had taken a huge amount of time to get the computer suited to Caleb's needs and he was distressed without it, she told The Press.

New Brighton police Acting Sergeant Ed Landstra called the theft a "despicable thing".

He appealed for whoever had the machine to leave it somewhere safe such as a school, library or police station, so it could be given back.

- NZPA

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shasta
10-11-2009, 04:16 PM
What's going on in Christchurch at the moment, Placebo might be on to something, those warm Nor'westers' seem to bring out the criminals!

Another nominee for SOTD, (again from Christchurch :rolleyes:)

Some sick puppies down there at the mo...:confused:

Family appeals for return of disabled boy's computer

The family of an eight-year-old mute boy with cerebral palsy whose sole means of communication with the outside world was stolen on the weekend has appealed for its return.

Thieves stole the $20,000 electronic communication device from his wheelchair, as Caleb Phillips sat and watched in his Christchurch home on Saturday.

Caleb was given the Ministry of Health-funded Dyvanox computer in April last year to help him communicate with others.

He had his family's names and details programmed, along with photos, phrases, songs and movies, and the device spoke for him at the press of a button, allowing him to say if he was hungry or felt sick.

Thieves snuck in the back door of the family's Wainoni home while Caleb's mother was hanging out washing on Saturday afternoon.

First they took the device's charger from his mother's bag, then the large, flat, touch-screen device while Caleb was using it.

Software on the machine tailored to the boy could not be used by anyone else, and it was password-protected, his mother Zara Phillips said.

"It is of no use to anyone but [Caleb] and allows him to attend school and communicate with others."

She hoped the thieves would realise they could not use it and leave it somewhere.

It had taken a huge amount of time to get the computer suited to Caleb's needs and he was distressed without it, she told The Press.

New Brighton police Acting Sergeant Ed Landstra called the theft a "despicable thing".

He appealed for whoever had the machine to leave it somewhere safe such as a school, library or police station, so it could be given back.

- NZPA

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It's getting hard to keep up with all the Christchurch SOTD nominees, maybe we need an am & pm one to keep up?

Even the dodgey parts of Wellington seem safe in comparison :eek:

Man jailed for pouring toxic paint on woman

A Christchurch man was sentenced to nearly two years' prison today for pouring a can of toxic paint over his ex-partner.

He later sent her a text message reading, "Told the office you'd be late today. You've had a bad hair day".

Nigel John Giltrap, 42, was convicted of one count of assault with a weapon and four breaches of protection orders in Christchurch District Court.

Judge Jane Farish said on October 16 last year, Giltrap's ex-partner had gone out with a friend.

When he saw her he "lost the plot" and threatened her consistently over the next 12 hours.

When she approached him in a workshop the following day, Giltrap poured the full can of paint over her head.

Giltrap also breached protection orders by poisoning his ex-partner's lawn to scupper a house sale, sending her flowers and contacting her when instructed not to.

Defence counsel Paul McMenimin argued that Giltrap's behaviour was affected by personal stress at the time of the offences.

He said his mother had died from cancer, he was caring for his father who suffers with Parkinson's disease and running a business.

He said the added effect of a broken relationship had left Giltrap in a state of emotional flux.

"His moods swung from angry to remorseful to conciliatory. When he was at his clearest he was genuinely remorseful for what he had done."
Crown prosecutor Claire Boshier disputed his claims.

"It is clear he does not respect court orders and what protection orders are here to do, which is to protect vulnerable people," she said.

She added the victim had to be scrubbed for five hours at the hospital after the attack and still suffers from dermatitis and blurred vision.

Judge Farish said that while she accepted Giltrap had been under extreme stress at the time, he had "seen the protection order as a challenge and took steps to see how you could breach it".

"I need to hold you to account for the harm you caused. The effects on your victim were profound," she said.

He was sentenced to 22 months' custody for the assault and four months for breaches of protection orders.

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Placebo
11-11-2009, 09:57 AM
Perhaps I need to change this thread's title to `why we love Christchurch' ;)

Placebo
11-11-2009, 11:26 AM
Care to make a call on this one Mini? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3051683/Jury-retires-in-Burton-attempted-murder-case.

For the record, Burton made a weapon from a sharpened piece of steel, stuffed papers down his clothes to protect himself and stabbed the bloke at least 3 times, including through the heart. Burton reckons he only meant to hurt the guy - he is defending an attempted murder charge.

The reason Burton is in jail is suppressed. Honestly, those crazy judges! ;)

minimoke
11-11-2009, 11:43 AM
Care to make a call on this one Mini? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3051683/Jury-retires-in-Burton-attempted-murder-case.


The reason Burton is in jail is suppressed. Honestly, those crazy judges! ;)
Guilty. Sentence = 11 years to be served concurrently.

Lawso
11-11-2009, 01:29 PM
Sex with a prostitute freely and frequently available in the back seat of a police car.
I reckon this news will do wonders for police recruitment, at least in Canterbury.

PS. Why is Cantab so quiet these days?

minimoke
12-11-2009, 11:47 AM
Perhaps I need to change this thread's title to `why we love Christchurch' ;)Or we could look at whats in the club scene in Wellington. Too much P I reckon (and how did Milly Elder get off?). Todays nomination goes to I'm not sure. Should it be some dodgy "musician" who got name supression for doing an indecent act on a 16 year old girl in a Wellington alley. I reckon he must be sucessful to have so much money for a barristor who can get permanent name supression for him. Should it be the two wellington slappers who voluntarily went down the alley with the musician to perhasp kiss his balls. (They breed them classy in Wellington!). No - I think I'll give it to the judge who allowed the permanent name supression. This 30 somthing year old is clearly keen to prey on 16 year olds and abuse his position of "celebrity". He's been caught once - whats the bet hes offended on previous occasions with no complaints and he'll offend again in the future. How is it that musicians get special status?

shasta
12-11-2009, 12:57 PM
Or we could look at whats in the club scene in Wellington. Too much P I reckon (and how did Milly Elder get off?). Todays nomination goes to I'm not sure. Should it be some dodgy "musician" who got name supression for doing an indecent act on a 16 year old girl in a Wellington alley. I reckon he must be sucessful to have so much money for a barristor who can get permanent name supression for him. Should it be the two wellington slappers who voluntarily went down the alley with the musician to perhasp kiss his balls. (They breed them classy in Wellington!). No - I think I'll give it to the judge who allowed the permanent name supression. This 30 somthing year old is clearly keen to prey on 16 year olds and abuse his position of "celebrity". He's been caught once - whats the bet hes offended on previous occasions with no complaints and he'll offend again in the future. How is it that musicians get special status?

You sure the musician isnt from Christchurch? :D

Placebo
12-11-2009, 01:03 PM
You sure the musician isnt from Christchurch? :D

Actually, he's from Auckland.

In fact, Mini, we've been into celebrating successes and all that's good about Wellington. Here's an example. Miss Hutt Valley has been found! Yes, the girls from the Hutt have a new role model. Awarded following a glitzy celebration at the Petone Workingmens Club. The evening included the obligatory swimwear and evening gown section, though in lieu of high heels the girls all wore patent leather thigh-high boots and chewed Hubba Bubba.

The winner on the night was Miss Bolton Hotel. She is very worried about the image of Hutt girls, which on behalf of my daughters I am grateful for - that's a legacy they will grow up with.

Miss Hutt Valley's prizes include a lovely crown, her own special sash, a white leather miniskirt and a silver rhinestones boob tube. Miss Halo Hair won Miss Personality, and Miss Hutt News won Charity Queen. It wasn't immediately clear who won the Miss Ridiculous Name prize, though my money was on Miss Monster Trucks.

Full story at http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/local/hutt-news/3047871/Theres-something-about-Mary/,

minimoke
12-11-2009, 01:35 PM
Actually, he's from Auckland.

In fact, Mini, we've been into celebrating successes and all that's good about Wellington. Here's an example. Miss Hutt Valley has been found!
It must have been one classy night. The Playboy Bunny Tatoo is surely a mark of sophistication that any Valley girl would be proud. (are there any without one?). And it's great to see a Receptionist still living in the Hutt - that'll help keep up the average IQ for the Valley.

minimoke
12-11-2009, 01:40 PM
You sure the musician isnt from Christchurch? :D
From what I can tell he prefers his women warm, breathing and on their knees - not the usual Cantabrian profile.

shasta
12-11-2009, 03:57 PM
From what I can tell he prefers his women warm, breathing and on their knees - not the usual Cantabrian profile.

Probably not "family" either, bugger...

For Placebo

What did the Hutt Valley girl get for her 16th birthday?

A baby :D

shasta
12-11-2009, 04:27 PM
Probably not "family" either, bugger...

For Placebo

What did the Hutt Valley girl get for her 16th birthday?

A baby :D

Unfortunately today's SOTD is from Wellington

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10608855

He should never be let out IMO

Placebo
12-11-2009, 04:49 PM
Mini u got this one right: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3056614/Burton-guilty-of-attempted-murder

Nevl
12-11-2009, 04:58 PM
Mini u got this one right: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3056614/Burton-guilty-of-attempted-murder

Maybe he could do us a favour and stay there and keep killing other prisioners for us. Lot less hassle in the long run and he wont actually get a longer sentence.

Year of the Tiger
12-11-2009, 06:28 PM
Unfortunately today's SOTD is from Wellington

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10608855

He should never be let out IMO

This guy should have his own thread. He'll probably take a break over Xmas, get working on his next 'weapon', determine who his next victim will be and I guess he'll be back in the news before too much of 2010 passes.

YOTT

minimoke
16-11-2009, 08:49 AM
Mini u got this one right: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3056614/Burton-guilty-of-attempted-murder
Always ready to make the tough calls. Got the football results right as well!

shasta
19-11-2009, 09:15 PM
Always ready to make the tough calls. Got the football results right as well!

I see we have missed a few days SOTD, but never fear, once again from the shallow end of the gene pool, we have today's SOTD.

Man who bashed war veteran jailed for eight years

The man who bashed elderly war veteran Eric Brady was sentenced to eight years and 10 months in jail at the Manukau District Court today.

Mr Brady was bashed outside the Papatoetoe RSA on February 18 this year.

The 85-year-old was badly injured in the attack suffering a jaw broken in at least two places. He also suffered very bruising about his face after the attack.

Maurangi Pere, 19, committed the attacks when he was 18-years-old.

He was also sentenced today on a raft of previous charges including aggravated robbery, burglary and unlawfully taking a motor vehicle, which were committed early this year and late last year.

Judge Charles Blackie said Pere had picked on a vulnerable victim.

"He went to fight the war to protect people like you, so that we didn't grow up and live a life under the jack boot," Judge Blackie said.

By Alanah May Eriksen (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/alanah-may-eriksen/news/headlines.cfm?a_id=344) | Email Alanah May (http://dynamic.nzherald.co.nz/feedback/author/index.cfm?a_id=344&objectid=10610335)

minimoke
20-11-2009, 07:47 AM
I see we have missed a few days SOTD, but never fear, once again from the shallow end of the gene pool, we have today's SOTD.


Thanks for that Shasta. I was going to nominate Nyree Hopa and Robert Waru for the shaking to death of their baby. They are our own "Kahui's" - their mouths have been held tighter together than Clayton Weatherstons bum and not helped police with their enquiries. Three years later and still no charges. Another pair of no-hopers - but since they were from Christchurch and I didn't want Christchurch to be hogging this thread I passed it by.

Major von Tempsky
23-11-2009, 05:30 PM
Dave Henderson (the would be anti IRD hero) for refusing to pay the poor woman plasterer who did 2 weeks work on the walls of one of his execrable businesses.

And he goes around cynically and intentionally leaving a trail of unpaid debts, not just at one point of time but on a continuing basis to honest tradesmen and suppliers. He must have set a world record by now for the number of dud companies he's created. He should be banned as a Director and from being involved in a business.

The sooner he actually gets bankrupted the better. I hope his mates the Mayor and councillors of Christchurch can finally see what a complete ratbag and shyster he is, not to mention his brother in law the owner of Hallensteins - trouble is he's probably in so deep he can't afford to leap off the merry-go-round before it crashes.

The ratbag had the cheek to stop me in the street one day and try to flog some of his shares to me. Thank God I refused point blank. Wish I could have saved the ratepayers of Chch $17million!

shasta
25-11-2009, 06:03 PM
Dave Henderson (the would be anti IRD hero) for refusing to pay the poor woman plasterer who did 2 weeks work on the walls of one of his execrable businesses.

And he goes around cynically and intentionally leaving a trail of unpaid debts, not just at one point of time but on a continuing basis to honest tradesmen and suppliers. He must have set a world record by now for the number of dud companies he's created. He should be banned as a Director and from being involved in a business.

The sooner he actually gets bankrupted the better. I hope his mates the Mayor and councillors of Christchurch can finally see what a complete ratbag and shyster he is, not to mention his brother in law the owner of Hallensteins - trouble is he's probably in so deep he can't afford to leap off the merry-go-round before it crashes.

The ratbag had the cheek to stop me in the street one day and try to flog some of his shares to me. Thank God I refused point blank. Wish I could have saved the ratepayers of Chch $17million!

Today's SOTD is a joint winner...

Girls guilty of murdering Opotiki school teacher

Two teenage girls were found guilty today of murdering retired Opotiki school teacher John Rowe by beating him repeatedly with his own walking sticks.

Courtney Churchward, 18, and Lori-lea Waiora Te Wini, 15, who had her name suppression lifted today, repeatedly beat the frail, 78-year-old man until he died on November 25 last year.

The girls then made his house look as though it had been trashed and took his wallet.

They said they only wanted to knock the man out, so they could rob him.
The jury took 4 1/2 hours to reach its verdict.

The 15-year-old had her name suppression lifted today.

Justice Geoffrey Venning thanked the jury for their work on what he said was a difficult case involving two young girls.

He offered the jury counselling.

During the trial, the court heard how Churchward and Te Wini had taken sticks from the lounge into the bedroom where they believed Mr Rower might have valuables.


Churchward said she had hit him so he would "blank out".
She said Mr Rowe appeared strong because she had not knocked him out when she struck him around the face and nose.

She flicked the bedroom light on and off and became scared when she saw blood on his face.

However, mid-way through an interview with a detective, Churchward changed her story that she acted alone.

After a break in her interview with Detective David McIntosh she told him there was something she wanted to say.

"I have been saying it was only me because I didn't think my associate should be held accountable for my actions but she was part of what I done ... she was involved with everything that took place, yeah," Churchward said.

During the trial Churchward refused to handle the walking staff she attacked Rowe with.

Upon questioning, she denied that once she had started hitting Mr Rowe she could not stop.

Churchward: "I only hit him to knock him out, not hurt him so much."
However crown prosecutor Greg Hollister-Jones said "You did that by hitting him again ... and again ... and again."

Asked if the only way she could cope with his death was to block it out, Churchward replied through tears that she would never block it out.
The pair have been remanded in custody for sentencing on December 18
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minimoke
26-11-2009, 01:06 PM
And today is another one of shame for christchurch. I'm nominating this person cos he gives every parent grounds for theri paranoia with their kids while at school or at home alone.

The Crown is to seek an indefinite prison sentence for a Christchurch labourer who today admitted sex attacks on two Christchurch schoolgirls.
Christopher Dean Matthews, 44, was due for jury trial next week but days of discussions led to his five guilty pleas at a pre-trial session before Judge Raoul Neave in Christchurch District Court this morning, the Christchurch Court News website reported.

Prosecutor Kerryn Beaton indicated she would seek an open-ended sentence of preventive detention to be imposed.

Matthews was remanded until February 19 when he will sentenced or sent to the High Court, which has the power to impose preventive detention.

The families of the two victims, aged 13 and 15, were in court to hear Matthews plead guilty.

Matthews admitted attacking the 15-year-old girl with intent to commit sexual violation, detaining her to have sexual connection, and violating her with his finger.

He admitted stupefying or rendering a 13-year-old girl unconscious two weeks after the first attack, and having unlawful sexual connection by penetration with some part of his body.

Miss Beaton said the older girl was walking to a bus stop when Matthews attacked her outside Christchurch South Intermediate School.

He grabbed her from behind, around the neck in a choker hold, and held a hand over her mouth when she screamed. He knocked out one of her teeth in the struggle.

He forced her into the school grounds and down behind some bushes, and she managed to bite one of his fingers. She asked him not to hurt her.

He told her to look away, choked her again, and violated her.

She had a swollen jaw, missing tooth, bruises, and abrasions on many parts of her body.

Blood on her smock and underpants - apparently from the bite on Matthews' finger - identified him.

When police interviewed him, he said: "Maybe your DNA's wrong. It doesn't sound right to me."

He said he had never been in the school grounds.

He went into a house and attacked the 13-year-old girl, choking her to the point of unconsciousness and then attacking her sexually. He was sweating profusely when police spoke to him soon after and he had scratches on his face.

The girl received bruising to the forehead, haemorrhages to both eyes, and bruising to the chest, upper back, and foot.

DNA identified him again.

Placebo
26-11-2009, 04:31 PM
Far be it from me to rain on Christchurch's day in the sunshine of criminal scumbaggery. But is it possible that the reason why there are so many stories about various shenanigans in the Garden City because there is a thing called Christchurch Court News, which pumps out this material? Is there more crime... or more reporting of crime?

And what has happened to the Chch Press? Has it given up on court reporting?

minimoke
26-11-2009, 04:52 PM
Far be it from me to rain on Christchurch's day in the sunshine of criminal scumbaggery. But is it possible that the reason why there are so many stories about various shenanigans in the Garden City because there is a thing called Christchurch Court News, which pumps out this material? Is there more crime... or more reporting of crime?

And what has happened to the Chch Press? Has it given up on court reporting?
The Press, like other newspapers only print stories of it can sell advertising space. I supsect that in Wellington and Auckland people are now de-sensitised to acts of violence - unless its newsworthy.

Christchurch also tends to have a better quality of crime and justice. We get the "House of Horrors", David Bain, Peter Ellis, Clayton Weatherspoon and scum like Christopher Matthews who get named - unlike those limp wristed judges in Wellington who reckon some dickhead rapper should get name suppression and its OK to knowingly drown someone. Jeez in Wellington you have to shoot innocent cyclists and get your leg blown off to make the news. As for Auckland the fact that some Maori has killed someone hardly gets a mention nowadays.

dragonz
26-11-2009, 05:20 PM
The Press, like other newspapers only print stories of it can sell advertising space. I supsect that in Wellington and Auckland people are now de-sensitised to acts of violence - unless its newsworthy.

Christchurch also tends to have a better quality of crime and justice. We get the "House of Horrors", David Bain, Peter Ellis, Clayton Weatherspoon and scum like Christopher Matthews who get named - unlike those limp wristed judges in Wellington who reckon some dickhead rapper should get name suppression and its OK to knowingly drown someone. Jeez in Wellington you have to shoot innocent cyclists and get your leg blown off to make the news. As for Auckland the fact that some Maori has killed someone hardly gets a mention nowadays.

Oh mini, you make soooo many good points then have to spoil it with this ridiculous statement. "the fact that some Maori has killed someone hardly gets a mention nowadays" Oh oh why do we always have to revert to tthe simplest denonminator. Swap the word Maori with, Uneducated, dispossed, poor or ignorant. All things which I think probaly play a bigger part in someones motivations then someones race.

minimoke
26-11-2009, 06:05 PM
Oh mini, you make soooo many good points then have to spoil it with this ridiculous statement. "the fact that some Maori has killed someone hardly gets a mention nowadays"
Sorry - that was a bit slack of me - and really quite uncalled for. I was going to be more specific and say "Some maori who has killed a child lately" - but that honour goes most recently to Wanganui not Auckland, or "some Maori who has killed an old fella" - but that of course goes to a couple of girls in Opotiki not Auckland.

Now, you'll know I'm being a tad mishevous, and this isn't the thread for such a discussion. But before we begin you should look at the crime stats of Maori vs PI both who arguably are over represented in poor education, health and income. Come back to me when you've worked out where Maori are grossly over represented compared to PI.

troyvdh
26-11-2009, 06:17 PM
...mmm...how about Air NZ....for those who have read Mahons book...their performance today has been in my opinion appalling....and when you consider that fact that even after the tragedy they went about raiding peoples houses (nat radio this afternoon)....the mind just boggles....Mr Pero has stated that already he has spent thousands....is willing to give any excess to charity (the Koro club $##!@!@@# ?::P).......and to carry a loss ?????...thanks god I live in the south island.....

belgarion
26-11-2009, 06:38 PM
Oh mini, you make soooo many good points then have to spoil it with this ridiculous statement. "the fact that some Maori has killed someone hardly gets a mention nowadays" Oh oh why do we always have to revert to tthe simplest denonminator. Swap the word Maori with, Uneducated, dispossed, poor or ignorant. All things which I think probaly play a bigger part in someones motivations then someones race.

Sorry to rain on your parade Dragon ... and not forgiving mini for his ill considered use of maori in the the context he used it ... but even adjusting for being "uneducated, dispossed, poor or ignorant" maori still commit more violent crimes than other groups who are similarily "uneducated, dispossed, poor or ignorant". And unfortunately, far more crimes against children than other similarily "uneducated, dispossed, poor or ignorant" groups.

How can we explain that?

Well, heres a thought: When you have beligerent, aggressive, unapologetic, racist, bigoted clown's with huge chips on their shoulder like Hone who get away with verbal violence against the majority of NZ'ers as roll models, not to mention gangs like the HH and MM, I guess its inevitable.

The racist farce of maori seats must end the "special people" status.

If we get that huge chip of many maoris shoulders then maybe we'll see them standing tall.

I live in hope ...

dragonz
26-11-2009, 06:39 PM
Sorry - that was a bit slack of me - and really quite uncalled for. I was going to be more specific and say "Some maori who has killed a child lately" - but that honour goes most recently to Wanganui not Auckland, or "some Maori who has killed an old fella" - but that of course goes to a couple of girls in Opotiki not Auckland.

Now, you'll know I'm being a tad mishevous, and this isn't the thread for such a discussion. But before we begin you should look at the crime stats of Maori vs PI both who arguably are over represented in poor education, health and income. Come back to me when you've worked out where Maori are grossly over represented compared to PI.

No mate I know what you are saying. Actaully here is a statistic to ponder. 3 n 5 children that live below the poverty rate are non-Maori or Pacific Islander, but because they dont belong to any targeted group or they make up a realitively small group in their ethnic group, get little attention. Try telling a child that because they are White their hunger is less important then another child from an over represented minority group. Personaly I'd like to take race out of it. Tribilism is crap and holding Maori back. Im just not sure if Pakefiying them is the solution. Its a hard one and I can understand peoples inclination to label them as a group. As for the crime stats of Maori vs PI both. Simple really, positive descrimination is an evil that not only defeats its purpose but alway sends an an unheathy message to its recipants.

dragonz
26-11-2009, 06:45 PM
Sorry to rain on your parade Dragon ... and not forgiving mini for his ill considered use of maori in the the context he used it ... but even adjusting for being "uneducated, dispossed, poor or ignorant" maori still commit more violent crimes than other groups who are similarily "uneducated, dispossed, poor or ignorant". And unfortunately, far more crimes against children than other similarily "uneducated, dispossed, poor or ignorant" groups.

How can we explain that?

Well, heres a thought: When you have beligerent, aggressive, unapologetic, racist, bigoted clown's with huge chips on their shoulder like Hone who get away with verbal violence against the majority of NZ'ers as roll models, not to mention gangs like the HH and MM, I guess its inevitable.

The racist farce of maori seats must end the "special people" status.

If we get that huge chip of many maoris shoulders then maybe we'll see them standing tall.

I live in hope ...

No rain on my parade Belg - just offering my humble opinion. I'll leave the parades up to you :D

dragonz
26-11-2009, 07:14 PM
Oh mini, you make soooo many good points then have to spoil it with this ridiculous statement. "the fact that some Maori has killed someone hardly gets a mention nowadays" Oh oh why do we always have to revert to tthe simplest denonminator. Swap the word Maori with, Uneducated, dispossed, poor or ignorant. All things which I think probaly play a bigger part in someones motivations then someones race.

Actaully mate I take this back. Sorta hypricatical of me to say that Hone has a right to say what he did and you dont. I sorta take things a bit personal sometimes when talking about my Maori brothers. But actually I dont dissagree with a lot that you say. Its hard coming from a land of multible greys to see the black and white:D

minimoke
26-11-2009, 08:18 PM
Actaully mate I take this back. Sorta hypricatical of me to say that Hone has a right to say what he did and you dont. I sorta take things a bit personal sometimes when talking about my Maori brothers. But actually I dont dissagree with a lot that you say. Its hard coming from a land of multible greys to see the black and white:D
I would hope you would always defend my right to express a view - but there is no obligation for you to agree with it. The onus will rest with me to prove my point.

Remind me one day to take you up on your view on poverty - but I'll leave you with this thought. "Poverty" is a mythical state apologists like to categorise certain people under. There is no reason at all for children to go hungry in NZ. Its not because they are under some made up "poverty" line - its because they have crap parents.

dragonz
26-11-2009, 08:46 PM
I would hope you would always defend my right to express a view - but there is no obligation for you to agree with it. The onus will rest with me to prove my point.

Remind me one day to take you up on your view on poverty - but I'll leave you with this thought. "Poverty" is a mythical state apologists like to categorise certain people under. There is no reason at all for children to go hungry in NZ. Its not because they are under some made up "poverty" line - its because they have crap parents.

Amend to that and precisly. Crap parents is the reason in this country, no more or no less. Doesnt help the poor children though

dragonz
26-11-2009, 09:04 PM
Always going to be people at the top and the bottom:(. Shall we compare how tough kids have it in NZ compared to kids in Ethiopia:confused:. Or maybe life in the last 100 years compared to previous million years:confused:. Im not knocking you guys, we live in the concrete jungle:eek:, dont have to worry about being mauled by a tiger, just unlucky if your parent is a P f..khead:mad:

More words of wistom from karlos. Abused children is abused children regarless off wether your in Ethiopia. What I like to think about NZ is that we can create an enviroment that regardless of ones socioeconomic background, has the ability to succend based on their hard work and atitude. Something I think we all need to work hard to protect. Keeping in mind that we may vary in our opinions to create that enviroment.

shasta
26-11-2009, 10:00 PM
Or to add more, if we all start off even, 100 yrs from now, are we still even:confused:, NO dragonz, some off us turn out to be sh.theads, some are leaders, you can not fight nature.

In a 100 years Global Warming would have melted every iceberg & we'll all be 5m under water :D

dragonz
26-11-2009, 10:15 PM
Or to add more, if we all start off even, 100 yrs from now, are we still even:confused:, NO dragonz, some off us turn out to be sh.theads, some are leaders, you can not fight nature.

Well karlos, you are a sharetrader so you'll understand my next point. Will we have primitive ****heads in 100 years? absolutely, you cant change the slow process of evolution regardless of our analitical brains. Will we continue to evolve as a global, democratic, political species. Yep, Personally I think that Capitilizm with a social conscience is something that we are working on at the moment. We have some Idegionous and religious barriars at the moment. And of course the individual instinct that we what to knock someones head when they disagree with us. But as a species we are doing quite well.

dragonz
26-11-2009, 10:21 PM
dragonz, not sure if you are trying to be a smarty pants or not, the sad fact is kids are going to get abused. I had a run in years ago with a work associate who had vicious dogs(in his mind may have been tame), I said "what if a kids ball bounced into your section and he jumped in there to get the ball?", yeah, stalled look on his face and no reply. Unfortunately there are dumbf..ks among us. Yes dragonz, words of wisdom from Karlos

Understand where your coming from. I've worked hard and dont have to worry about neiybours because I own my surronding sections. As to the vicious dogs and kids, well I own 3 kids and would have just shoot the dogs. No debate with the neiybour. Shoot the mongrels and eliminated that problem. Simple really

dragonz
26-11-2009, 10:36 PM
Agree dragonz, best of times we live in now, will only get better,--- sh.t mate, these days we have anasthesiacs for pane relief:D, son of a b.tch if you were born 50 to millions of years ago, even better if you live in Hamilton, best city in NZ:D

Mate if you where born 50 million years ago your fins will be dragging across the earth. Thats not to say that today your average NZer is still dragging his nuckles across this earth

Placebo
27-11-2009, 02:50 PM
Lawyers are a pretty soft target - but given the tone of some comments on here over the months, they are a suitable nomination. Particularly in the light of Dame Margaret Bazley's report: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10612004.

Corrupt and incompentent lawyers - who'da thought??

belgarion
27-11-2009, 06:54 PM
Corrupt and incompentent lawyers - who'da thought??

The lawyers are just exploiting gaping holes in the system. Systems need checks and balances. Its the system that is non-functional.

Cheap shot to blame the lawyers. Note: mainly the media as the report does recommmend systemic change - will Government act on it? In my lifetime? Probably! They'll knee-jerk and make it worse!

Bit like the maori seats. An antiquated system that Government hasn't the gonads to understand and sort out!

National had a mandate for change. National has squandered it. NZ taxpayers suffer. Nothing to see here folks. Look the other way. (meanwhile National pass ill considered legislation that further the interests of who? Obviously maori which furthers racism in NZ. But who else? Geez people, you thought Labour was Bad? Think again. NZ'er are going to become a race of the rich and the poor! The gap will be horific! But hey! We have a good climate so living on the street; or off working for Families (not my family!); will be fine. So - stop complaining! Look the other way...)

evilroyrule
27-11-2009, 09:21 PM
you knw neville/skol, for a couple of smart guys you sure rush the point. i wld have thought that every profession struggles with rogues within it, and to suggest that alone justifys the abolition of lawyers/the legal system?????

Nevl
27-11-2009, 09:44 PM
you knw neville/skol, for a couple of smart guys you sure rush the point. i wld have thought that every profession struggles with rogues within it, and to suggest that alone justifys the abolition of lawyers/the legal system?????

Nah this report was just the final official piece of proof. The system has being rotten for a long time. From dragging out custody battles to divorce settlements on legal aid to appeals based on nothing more than the Lawyers want a big payout. Clayton Weatherston comes to mind but Anton Dickson and the Nia Glassie killers are all appealing their verdicts and sentences.

There is no reason for any of these appeals and they are just to make sure lawyers get paid. I was on a Jury last year and was amazed at the waste and blatent disregard for justice shown by those who are supposed to defending it in our name. The system is screwed. Talk to any Policeman or prosecutor.

Needs a huge shakeup. Hopefully this is it as Both the Simons in Nat have being looking for this and Act will support so no stalling from the Maori party to protect their mates.

Year of the Tiger
27-11-2009, 10:06 PM
Clayton Weatherston comes to mind but Anton Dickson and the Nia Glassie killers are all appealing their verdicts and sentences.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/1391306

I can't see an appeal helping this guy.

YOTT

Nevl
27-11-2009, 10:39 PM
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/1391306

I can't see an appeal helping this guy.

YOTT

Sorry I knew that, and the sentence should have said he was appealing before he died. Saved us a fortune!!! Still I think it illustrates my point. Futher good news today was that Taffey Hotene died.

shasta
29-11-2009, 02:02 AM
Or we could look at whats in the club scene in Wellington. Too much P I reckon (and how did Milly Elder get off?). Todays nomination goes to I'm not sure. Should it be some dodgy "musician" who got name supression for doing an indecent act on a 16 year old girl in a Wellington alley. I reckon he must be sucessful to have so much money for a barristor who can get permanent name supression for him. Should it be the two wellington slappers who voluntarily went down the alley with the musician to perhasp kiss his balls. (They breed them classy in Wellington!). No - I think I'll give it to the judge who allowed the permanent name supression. This 30 somthing year old is clearly keen to prey on 16 year olds and abuse his position of "celebrity". He's been caught once - whats the bet hes offended on previous occasions with no complaints and he'll offend again in the future. How is it that musicians get special status?

Too much P & too much money, thats the problem ;)

Year of the Tiger
29-11-2009, 03:49 PM
I think the problem with some of these "stars" is that they are legends in their own minds to a great degree.

Ok, now I know this guy (whoever he is - ;)) has probably done a fair bit in the industry here but I decided to ask a few random people if they had ever heard of this person. Believe me there are a lot of kiwis who have never heard of the guy so unless you are one of those who is in the right (music) age group and really up on the current music industry, his name would just draw a blank stare.

And I wonder how much his lawyer got paid for getting him name suppression. Name suppression in this country is a joke!

YOTT

Nevl
30-11-2009, 10:59 AM
I think the problem with some of these "stars" is that they are legends in their own minds to a great degree.

Ok, now I know this guy (whoever he is - ;)) has probably done a fair bit in the industry here but I decided to ask a few random people if they had ever heard of this person. Believe me there are a lot of kiwis who have never heard of the guy so unless you are one of those who is in the right (music) age group and really up on the current music industry, his name would just draw a blank stare.

And I wonder how much his lawyer got paid for getting him name suppression. Name suppression in this country is a joke!

YOTT

It interesting that both his "money" making name and his real name have both being suppressed. So in effect he has gained a double name suppression which seems pretty kind. Surely assumed names which are technically not real or legal should be covered by law.

shasta
03-12-2009, 01:17 PM
It interesting that both his "money" making name and his real name have both being suppressed. So in effect he has gained a double name suppression which seems pretty kind. Surely assumed names which are technically not real or legal should be covered by law.

Not too much doubt over today's SOTD :mad:

When a judge has to proclaim the defendants "remorse" you know it's not sincere or genuine!

Downey murderer jailed for at least 13 years

The killer of cat protection worker Kerry Leigh Downey is so violent and unpredictable that it may never be safe to release him from his life sentence for murder.

That was the view of the probation officer who reported on Ashley Donald Peach before his sentencing in the High Court at Christchurch today.

The view was repeated by Justice Graham Panckhurst when he imposed a 13-year minimum non-parole term on the 42-year-old for the murder of Ms Downey.

He said there was a misconception that the 13-year term was the sentence, but it was actually the minimum period before the Parole Board could assess risk and consider possible release.

The probation officer wrote: "It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that Mr Peach has shown himself to be unpredictable and capable of extreme violence and having little or no capacity for change.

It may never be safe to release him back into the community."

Miss Downey, aged 52, was apparently attacked, bound, and strangled to death at Peach's flat in Upper Riccarton when she went there at his request to pick up an unwanted cat.

Justice Panckhurst said he was in little doubt that the attack was sexually motivated, having described two "intimate injuries" on Miss Downey's body. Peach had made only partial admissions to the police and the psychiatrist who interviewed him.

A spokesman for the family said outside the court house that they were "bitterly disappointed" at the short non-parole term.

The fact that there had been no trial had hidden the true horror of Peach's crime which would have shown him as a remorseless killer.

They thanked the police for their tireless work on the case.

Four family members - Miss Downey's father, two sisters, and brother - read their victim impact statements at the sentencing, describing her as an intelligent, gentle, kind, caring, compassionate woman.

They were horrified by the thought that she had suffered a "torturous", painful death at the hands of Peach, who they described as a callous, cowardly, low-life.

The effect of her murder was devastating, they said, speaking of their horror at her body being dumped "like a bag of rubbish" down a bank at the hill suburb of Westmorland.

Defence counsel Pip Hall said Peach had expressed remorse in a letter to the judge.

He was seen as having diminished intellectual capacity or mental impairment. He was illiterate with a borderline IQ of 77.

He had lived most of his life in institutions and had been sexually abused as a young boy.

He was intellectually and socially impaired and was isolated and frustrated at the time of the murder.
http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/A_250808KerryDowney_140x93.jpg (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10607659) Man admits Downey murder (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10607659)

The psychiatrist wrote: "It appears he wasn't able to emotionally cope with the circumstances that faced him at the time of the offending and the victim became a tragic focus of Mr Peach's emotional disintegration."

Crown prosecutor Pip Currie said Peach had previous convictions for sexual offending, violence, and the theft of women's underwear.

It was the kind of record that set alarm bells ringing for the protection of women in the community.

The crown was sceptical about the remorse expressed in his letter to the judge, which expressed no emotion.

Justice Panckhurst said Miss Downey had been described as virtuous, gentle, demure, generous, feminine, intelligent, vulnerable and trusting. Those factors also explained why she came into contact with Peach.

He had no doubt of Peach's disadvantaged upbringing and intellectual impairments. But many people in the community suffered from difficulties.

Peach was seen as isolated and socially inept, but the psychiatrist assessed him as a person who was accountable for his actions in spite of his limitations.

Peach's mother left the Court House later, pushed in a wheelchair and with a scarf covering her face from the waiting reporters.

- NZPA

craic
04-12-2009, 10:05 AM
Fact is that few in his category are released at the served date. Comments that he may serve a lot longer are true and he could be quite old by the time that they decide that he is safe.

sorry, I wrote the above as a retired probation officer, without actually reading the above piece!

Ponda
04-12-2009, 11:34 AM
Whats this? Another one from Christchurch!!!

From todays Hearld.

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An 86-year-old woman is expected to spend "a number of days" in hospital after being mugged in Christchurch's Barrington Mall last night.

The pensioner was about to get into her car after buying milk when a man grabbed her handbag from behind, said Detective Sergeant Ross Tarawhiti.

She tried to hang on to the bag but was thrown to the ground by the force of the man ripping it away from her.

The man then jumped the mall's boundary fence and ran across the Barrington Park and into an alleyway leading into Sugden St.

Witnesses in a nearby car chased the man but lost him as he left the park.

The woman suffered cuts to her head, a fractured pelvis, and numerous bruises.

Mr Tarawhiti said she was "very traumatised" and expected to be in hospital for a number of days.

The attacker was described as Maori, aged 20-30, very slim, about 1.88m tall, with long black or brown shoulder-length hair.

He was wearing a grey sweatshirt, blue pants - possibly jeans - and white trainers.

shasta
06-12-2009, 02:46 PM
Whats this? Another one from Christchurch!!!

From todays Hearld.

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An 86-year-old woman is expected to spend "a number of days" in hospital after being mugged in Christchurch's Barrington Mall last night.

The pensioner was about to get into her car after buying milk when a man grabbed her handbag from behind, said Detective Sergeant Ross Tarawhiti.

She tried to hang on to the bag but was thrown to the ground by the force of the man ripping it away from her.

The man then jumped the mall's boundary fence and ran across the Barrington Park and into an alleyway leading into Sugden St.

Witnesses in a nearby car chased the man but lost him as he left the park.

The woman suffered cuts to her head, a fractured pelvis, and numerous bruises.

Mr Tarawhiti said she was "very traumatised" and expected to be in hospital for a number of days.

The attacker was described as Maori, aged 20-30, very slim, about 1.88m tall, with long black or brown shoulder-length hair.

He was wearing a grey sweatshirt, blue pants - possibly jeans - and white trainers.

Today's entrance from the shallow end of the gene pool, a real scumbag.

No wonder we need to privatise prisons, a classic example of why the status quo isn't working.

Fraudster managed stash from jail

The biggest benefit fraudster in New Zealand history manipulated a web of offshore accounts from prison in a bid to hide the $3.4 million he stole from taxpayers.

Wayne Thomas Patterson planned to stop stealing when he had stashed $10 million and use the money to buy a berth on mega cruise liner, The World.

The scam was exposed by the Herald on Sunday in 2006, but new details are revealed in an Inside New Zealand documentary, Catching The King of Benefit Cheats, which screens this week.

It tells the inside story of the hunt for Patterson, who is serving an eight-year prison sentence for using 123 false identities to claim benefits.

The 50-year-old was raking in $54,000 a fortnight in benefits - mainly pensions he gained by disguising himself as an elderly man and fooling benefit staff across the country.

Patterson was convicted of large benefit frauds in Australia and the United States, before returning to New Zealand to carry out his biggest criminal operation.

The Herald on Sunday broke the story in November 2006, revealing how police found more than $1m in cash and gold bars in his home in Massey, Auckland.

We also told how he spent $50,000 creating an elaborate tropical garden behind the rented terraced flat - and buried his loot beneath it.

The documentary team was allowed extensive access to Ministry of Social Development staff, revealing the pressure its most senior civil servants were under to catch Patterson and recover the money.

The fraud was exposed after a KiwiBank staff member noticed a number of accounts held by pensioners were being accessed by the same internet connection.

Once Patterson was arrested, the ministry was left to track his investments through secret bank accounts in Austria, Panama, the Seychelles and Switzerland.

It emerged he had opened the accounts in the name of companies set up with the help of Maritime International, an international banking specialist in Thailand.

The international company specialises in setting up offshore companies, trusts and helping those with new-found wealth deal with their sudden change in fortunes.

Maritime International's wealth management director Loura Mouck confirmed she received emails and phone calls from Patterson during the time he was in prison.

She said she was "disturbed" by the ease with which he could contact her.

The initial contact came in April 2006 - seven months before Patterson was caught - through the company website.

He initially wanted one company, then set up two more with Maritime International named as the company director of each.

Mouck was aware of a fourth company in Panama he had set up separately.

She said the company asked for a copy of his passport and proof of where he lived before setting up the companies.

He was also checked through an international database meant to flag criminals.

In an email to the Herald on Sunday, Mouck said Patterson "deposited funds into the accounts personally, via wire transfers ... from New Zealand bank accounts".

The company was alerted to his arrest in November 2006, prompting Maritime International to resign its directorships.

But between March and May 2007, the company had a stream of contacts from Patterson by email, letter and phone as he tried to rearrange the company structures.

The changes would have allowed another person to take control over the finances the Ministry of Social Development was trying to recover.

"I was very disturbed by this communication," said Mouck. "I could not understand how I was receiving letters, emails and calls if Mr Patterson was ...in prison."

Mouck initially emailed state officials to ask if Patterson had been sentenced, then later contacted the New Zealand investigator handling the case to alert the ministry to his efforts.

Ministry risk manager Marc Warner told Inside New Zealand: "We thought he was safely ensconced in prison but that turned out not to be the case."

Warner said Patterson's status meant getting cellphones and smuggling out letters was easy.

As a major fraudster who still had more than $1m of taxpayers' money, "there wouldn't be any shortage of friends inside prison".

Warner said documents found in Patterson's home showed a plan to stop stealing when he got to $10m.

Patterson confirmed he had four offshore accounts and said he wanted to set up a fifth, with a target of $2m stolen for each.

There was no indication of how Patterson intended to spend his money, other than buying a berth on The World.

"He clearly wanted to be rich," said Warner.

"I think the money was an important part, but also the success. He enjoyed taking on the system."

The Inside New Zealand documentary also reveals that Patterson escaped from prison earlier this year.

Taupo police confirmed he slipped out of a holding cell while officers were occupied with another prisoner.

Patterson was recaptured at a lawn bowls club within minutes.

The Herald on Sunday has established $1.1m of Patterson's money is still to be recovered.

The fraudster invested in gold, Apple shares and other stocks that gained value - making the taxpayer a profit.

The remaining money is still in Austrian bank accounts. If the ministry recovers it, the profit will be about $900,000.

* Patterson's loot
In New Zealand - recovered:
Car and home contents: $13,600
31kg gold - $1.1 million
Cash - $1.1m
In Austria - frozen: $1.1m
In Switzerland - recovered: $1.1m
TOTAL $4.4m

Wayne Patterson stole $3.4 million then invested some of the money in gold and shares.

By the time the Ministry of Social Development recovered or froze the funds, they had grown.

Investments included shares in Apple before the launch of the iPhone - they went from US$75 a share to US$160 a share.

Gold also rose in value - it was worth US$400 an ounce when he bought it and US$600 an ounce when sold.

* Inside New Zealand: Catching The King of Benefit Cheats, Wednesday, 9.30pm, TV3.

- HERALD ON SUNDAY

Placebo
07-12-2009, 11:41 AM
Sounds like this bloke could give a few lessons on investing!

777
15-12-2009, 12:10 PM
So why will this guy and his wife not be deported at the end of their sentences?

Copied from stuff.co.nz

A South Auckland man who starved, bashed and finally killed his 11-week-old daughter will serve at least 17 years in jail.

Azees Mahomed, 31, was today sentenced to life imprisonment for the brutal murder of his daughter Tahani Mahomed.

Justice Rhys Harrison told Azees Mahomed the murder of his daughter had been a "cowardly" and "callous" killing.

Baby Tahani died in Auckland's Starship Hospital on New Years Day, 2008, after she arrived at Middlemore Hospital on December 28, 2007, with severe head injuries.

"She lived, I regret to say, a brief and grossly abused life," Justice Harrison told the Auckland High Court.

Azees Mahomed was also found guilty of two charges of grievous bodily harm - which relate to breaking his daughter's leg and giving her a head injury so severe it caused brain damage between October 7 and December 26, 2007 - and one count of failing to provide the necessaries of life.

He was sentenced to five years in jail for each of these charges.

All will be served concurrently.

His wife Tabbasum Mahomed, 26, was found guilty of one charge of failing to provide the necessaries of life.

Justice Harrison called her offending at the "worst end of the scale".

"It is inconceivable to me as a parent and a member of the community that a loving and responsible mother would leave a defenceless baby critically ill and unattended for many hours.

"I observed you consistently throughout the trial, you showed no emotion whatsoever when listening to the distressing details of your daughter's death.

She was sentenced to four years imprisonment.

Crown prosecutor Philip Hamlin said the South African-born couple had treated their young daughter with systematic neglect and violence.

"This child has clearly suffered at the hands of her father, she had significant head injuries and significant injuries to her leg prior to the fatal injury."

In the 11 short weeks of Baby Tahani's life she would have been in "exquisite pain", Mr Hamlin said.

She had been left alone in a hot car, neglected, starved and had received several brain injuries, the court was told.

Azees Mohamed had also pulled the baby's left leg so hard it broke her shin bone.

The doctor who examined Tahani when she arrived at Middlemore Hospital described her as severely "malnourished", estimating her weight to be only 4 kilograms.

Azees Mahomed's lawyer Melinda Mason said her client's capacity to be a parent was compromised by his low IQ.

He had an IQ of 70 - 73 which put him in the lowest 3 - 4 percent of people his age, Ms Mason said.

This would have diminished his ability for practical reasoning and social judgement, the court was told.

Tabassum's lawyer, Paul Borich, said his client was not responsible for her daughter's injuries.

His client was remorseful about her daughter's death and her failure to get her immediate medical help, Mr Borich said.

dartMonkey
16-12-2009, 10:28 AM
Perhaps not in the same league as others here but the Judge's action in fining this courageous woman was reprehensible nevertheless.
She should be encouraged imho.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10615822

minimoke
16-12-2009, 11:19 AM
Compared with the Wendy-May Connan who smoked dope, put the kids in the back of the car without proper booster seats and only a lap belt, hit speeds over 200kph, couldn't take a gentle bend at 140kph on a nice day and, (unsurprisingly she'd been reported for speeding a few weeks earlier), lost control causing her 4 year old to tossed some 65- 85m from the car.

Time for Justice Williams to bring out the wet bus ticket yesterday. Whack six months community detention for you; backslap with 2 years drug counselling; 200 hours community sentence (how many of those will she do) and 2 years disqualification.

The value of childrens lives is pretty low.
Well heres a surprise. Poor Wendy has just been done for posession of cannabis in her home one month after this pathetic sentence. Now the limp wristed High Court in Wellington are letting her move home to Herataunga to hang out with a person who has had drug problems in the past. Justice Ron Young is giving her another chance - f**k me - how many chances do scumbags get in Wellington.

RazorX
16-12-2009, 03:15 PM
Well heres a surprise. Poor Wendy has just been done for posession of cannabis in her home one month after this pathetic sentence. Now the limp wristed High Court in Wellington are letting her move home to Herataunga to hang out with a person who has had drug problems in the past. Justice Ron Young is giving her another chance - f**k me - how many chances do scumbags get in Wellington.

This is New Zealand - what do you expect?


He had an IQ of 70 - 73 which put him in the lowest 3 - 4 percent of people his age, Ms Mason said.This would have diminished his ability for practical reasoning and social judgement, the court was told. Tabassum's lawyer, Paul Borich, said his client was not responsible for her daughter's injuries. His client was remorseful about her daughter's death and her failure to get her immediate medical help, Mr Borich said.

This piece of crap obviously had enough IQ to know how to reproduce. These lawyers claiming insanity and low IQ for murderers should be charged as criminals themselves.

Once again - this is New Zealand.

Nevl
16-12-2009, 06:31 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6958039.ece

Interesting parallels with the Emery case.

blackcap
16-12-2009, 08:17 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6958039.ece

Interesting parallels with the Emery case.

Great article thanks Nevl. Makes interesting reading and confirms what I have long thought.

belgarion
17-12-2009, 08:06 AM
Perhaps not in the same league as others here but the Judge's action in fining this courageous woman was reprehensible nevertheless.
She should be encouraged imho.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10615822

Totally agree! ;) can't find a picture of her tho'. Shame. Or maybe not?

fungus pudding
17-12-2009, 09:07 AM
Totally agree! ;) can't find a picture of her tho'. Shame. Or maybe not?

This is her. Those southerm women are ......well .......er...manly!



http://i45.tinypic.com/29lcmx1.jpg

Nevl
17-12-2009, 10:53 AM
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10615980

Why DNA testing should be mandatory for all!! Could have saved 8 years of pain for the family.

dartMonkey
17-12-2009, 03:25 PM
Totally agree! ;) can't find a picture of her tho'. Shame. Or maybe not?
Better than that here's a vid :)
not as much as the drivers saw tho' :(
http://www.3news.co.nz/Woman-flashes-gets-hit-by-car/tabid/309/articleID/134386/Default.aspx

craic
21-12-2009, 10:37 PM
Has to be the bastard who stole $900 from the Salvation Army at this time of year?

blockhead
22-12-2009, 08:49 AM
Keep paying your taxes boys and girls, this poor family needs over a $1,000 a week to maintain their lifestyle, very worthy scumbag nominees I say

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3184336/Couple-on-benefits-since-1984

RazorX
22-12-2009, 10:11 AM
I second that blockhead.

In New Zealand we have good families struggling to make ends meet, but not getting any benefit, and here this family with several properties gets large benefits. ($1000 a week? Heck I'd be really happy if I earned that a week.) Of course we have to pay them that because the Mr is addicted to drugs. You know what the answer is folks? :) Lets all become druggies and get $1000 a week for the 'stress' of it lol

Placebo
22-12-2009, 11:59 AM
This is the "Harris Gang". Christchurch's arch-scumbags (now there's a claim to fame!). Darryl Harris is one of the patriarchs. Back in the late 90s they were going head to head with a bunch of Chch skinheads and causing all manner of mayhem. They were one of the first gangs prosecuted under anti-gang laws in 1998 that prevented the three brothers associating with each other.

I am sure that, as well as milking the public purse, we can guess where their money for large houses with security cameras, and late-model Chrysler 300C vehicles comes from ...

Kees
22-12-2009, 12:42 PM
he also won lotto a few years back,

STRAT
22-12-2009, 02:44 PM
Has to be the bastard who stole $900 from the Salvation Army at this time of year?I will wager its someone who has taken handouts from them in the past ;):rolleyes:

blockhead
22-12-2009, 03:00 PM
he also won lotto a few years back,

You could be right there or maybe you are thinking of Rodney Wayne Innes from Timaru, no need to ask how I know his full name, it was frequently in the local rag.

Think he has blown it all and is back to scratch again.

Kees
22-12-2009, 03:22 PM
no it was him he bought a house up on westmoreland and exited the neigbours for a while.

STRAT
22-12-2009, 04:01 PM
Perhaps not in the same league as others here but the Judge's action in fining this courageous woman was reprehensible nevertheless.
She should be encouraged imho.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10615822LOL one thing is for sure the driver should loose his licence. If thats all it takes to distract him from steering in a strait line he clearly has no business being in charge of a vehical. Im a fair bloke though. Id give him a choice. Loose the licence or loose the nuts that control his very small brain

Steve
22-12-2009, 06:00 PM
If thats all it takes to distract him from steering in a strait line he clearly has no business being in charge of a vehical.

Hang on, how do you know that it wasn't a worthy distraction for him?!

STRAT
22-12-2009, 06:50 PM
Hang on, how do you know that it wasn't a worthy distraction for him?!Come on Steve. I could look at the girl, answer my phone, eat my lunch and handle a power slide all at the same time let alone drive in a strait line. Cant everyone with more than half a brain? :D

Perhaps he got something stuck between the spokes of the steering wheel. Understandable I guess

or perhaps he was trying to mount her but forgot he was still in his car. Off with the nuts and the licence if thats the case. :D

Steve
24-12-2009, 01:16 PM
Come on Steve. I could look at the girl, answer my phone, eat my lunch and handle a power slide all at the same time let alone drive in a strait line. Cant everyone with more than half a brain? :D

Perhaps he got something stuck between the spokes of the steering wheel. Understandable I guess

or perhaps he was trying to mount her but forgot he was still in his car. Off with the nuts and the licence if thats the case. :D

Good on ya, Strat! ;):D

Nevl
30-12-2009, 07:35 PM
and the winner for the year is??

My vote- Clayton Weatherstone followed by the Nia Glassie Killers.

Dr_Who
19-01-2010, 04:50 PM
Three cheers for the Nat and Act. :)

Three strikes policy announced

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3242717/Three-strikes-policy-announced

Steve
19-01-2010, 07:18 PM
Three cheers for the Nat and Act. :)

Three strikes policy announced

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3242717/Three-strikes-policy-announced

This is where we will miss Hiawatha's contribution to the discussion... :rolleyes:

Nevl
19-01-2010, 09:41 PM
This is where we will miss Hiawatha's contribution to the discussion... :rolleyes:

yes I will miss his usual rant about how violent morons should be helped and encouraged to do more violence. Maybe Tom Hall could fill in for a while.

The 3 strikes should have applied to all crimes that get more than 12months sentence. The 5 year rule makes its pretty useless. Better than nothing I guess but still needs more teeth to be effective. 3 strikes do work but only if you apply it properly.

shasta
19-01-2010, 10:25 PM
yes I will miss his usual rant about how violent morons should be helped and encouraged to do more violence. Maybe Tom Hall could fill in for a while.

The 3 strikes should have applied to all crimes that get more than 12months sentence. The 5 year rule makes its pretty useless. Better than nothing I guess but still needs more teeth to be effective. 3 strikes do work but only if you apply it properly.

As an ACT supporter the only problem with this legislation is that it still doesn't go far enough, i mean 3 strikes for serious offenses?

I accept people are allowed a 2nd chance in life, but a 3rd chance?

If someone hasn't learnt the first time, what chances are there that they will the 2nd time?

Should be after 2 serious offenses ANY 3rd offense & the key gets thrown away!

This is where parole for the 2nd offense comes in, u stuff up again, thats your lot

Year of the Tiger
20-01-2010, 08:24 AM
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/6697615/three-strikes-a-token-effort-to-save-face/

Three strikes "a token effort to save face"

Newstalk ZB January 20, 2010, 5:31 am

Labour leader Phil Goff says the 'three strikes' policy is just a token effort to allow the government to save face.
The legislation which National and Act have agreed to, will allow judges to impose the maximum sentence for the crime when an offender is convicted of a third serious offence. Some killers will be imprisoned without any chance of release. Parole will not be granted for a prisoner whose is convicted for a second or third offence.
However Mr Goff says the legislation will result in only 12 people a year being locked up, when the current prison population is 8,500.
"People that are serious repeat offenders deserve high penalties but this policy won't make any difference."
Mr Goff says it is simply a gimmick that falls well short of National's election promise.
The Maori Party says the policy puts a narrow focus on crime and punishment and leaves justice out of the picture.
Co-leader Pita Sharples says overseas three strike laws actually increase the risk of violence towards police and victims. He says the government's policy is punitive and populist and will not not bring about the long term change which is needed.
"These proposals will create huge disparities in sentencing, and punishment that is completely out of proportion to the crime. They attack the foundations of justice, where judges make decisions based on the facts of the case. Judicial discretion is overruled by political dogma."
Dr Sharples believes the loss of parole means prisoners will have less incentive to change their ways and there is no hold over them after their release. He describes the proposal as irrational and extreme.

___________

Offences Covered Include:
Murder, manslaughter
Rape
Aggravated burglary
Robbery
Aggravated injury

For heaven's sake, how many chances should we give the crims who commit these crimes??????

Goff reckons it will result in only 12 people a year who will be locked up. To me, that is:
- 12 less people a year who can get out on the streets to rein terror on the population.
- 12 (at least) less victims a year who will be murdered, raped, attacked and have their lives turned upside down
- 12 less families who have to suffer the heartbreak of watching their loved ones endure a personal hell
- 12 less cases of wasteful use of taxpayer money for legal aid
- 12 less court cases allocating court time to no-hopers

Can someone tell me, what are the chances of a three-striker ever being rehabilitated and returning to society fully reformed?

Or is the general population expected to just carry on with their lives and hope that they never become cannon-fodder for these crims?

YOTT

craic
20-01-2010, 08:58 AM
We import lots and lots of stuff from China - let's import something worthwhile. Every so often the Chinese take a truckload of their worst recidivists out to a paddock somewhere and pass a lump of lead through their skulls. I believe that they then harvest any useful bits to save the lives of less fortunate people. Why are we so far up ourselves that we cannot countenance such a fine solution? To those of you who don't know me, I am a retired probation officer with thirty years experience of close contact with the criminal fraternity and I no longer believe in fairies.

blackcap
20-01-2010, 09:29 AM
We import lots and lots of stuff from China - let's import something worthwhile. Every so often the Chinese take a truckload of their worst recidivists out to a paddock somewhere and pass a lump of lead through their skulls. I believe that they then harvest any useful bits to save the lives of less fortunate people. Why are we so far up ourselves that we cannot countenance such a fine solution? To those of you who don't know me, I am a retired probation officer with thirty years experience of close contact with the criminal fraternity and I no longer believe in fairies.

Im with you on that one Craic. As an old flatmate of mine from SA used to say.. If they are not going to make a positive contribution to society why have them at all.....

Ponda
20-01-2010, 11:12 AM
It will be interesting to read the full proposal.
1) Does it include Misuse of Drugs Act, Land Transport Act, Arms Act etc, many of the punishments in those three Acts have terms of imprisonment of over 5 years.
2) Does it only include sentences recieved of over five years. i.e offender gets convicted of burglary (max 10 years imprisonment (I think)) but gets sentanced to two years is that one strike.
3) Can the offender be convicted from the differant Acts or does s/he have to have three strikes per Act.
4) Where does the scenario fit in this action packed case. Dude or Dudette Commits an Aggravated Robbery (Crimes Act) with a firearm, Police pursuit (multiple driving offences Land Transport Act) ends up at a house with a functioning P Lab (MODA). There will be at least three offences within that rampage that will qualify for the five year imprisonment trigger.

YOTT's list below has Crimes Act offences, but will be interesting to see if the other acts are covered also.

Anyways,

Just my ponderings


http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/6697615/three-strikes-a-token-effort-to-save-face/


Offences Covered Include:
Murder, manslaughter
Rape
Aggravated burglary
Robbery
Aggravated injury


YOTT

Year of the Tiger
20-01-2010, 11:30 AM
It will be interesting to read the full proposal.
1) Does it include Misuse of Drugs Act, Land Transport Act, Arms Act etc, many of the punishments in those three Acts have terms of imprisonment of over 5 years.
2) Does it only include sentences recieved of over five years. i.e offender gets convicted of burglary (max 10 years imprisonment (I think)) but gets sentanced to two years is that one strike.
3) Can the offender be convicted from the differant Acts or does s/he have to have three strikes per Act.
4) Where does the scenario fit in this action packed case. Dude or Dudette Commits an Aggravated Robbery (Crimes Act) with a firearm, Police pursuit (multiple driving offences Land Transport Act) ends up at a house with a functioning P Lab (MODA). There will be at least three offences within that rampage that will qualify for the five year imprisonment trigger.

YOTT's list below has Crimes Act offences, but will be interesting to see if the other acts are covered also.

Anyways,

Just my ponderings

In this morning's Herald, there was a comment under the list of Offences, saying *Drug offences to not qualify.

Here is the latest update from the Herald.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10621211

YOTT

minimoke
20-01-2010, 02:41 PM
We import lots and lots of stuff from China - let's import something worthwhile.
Don't we have Free Trade Agreement with China? Seems we are happy to accept their citizens who are then free to commit crime here (like Pumpkins dad) so why don't we, in exchange, just trade our top crims off to China. The Sanlu incident is a clear indication that our crims would get the best of treatment over there. The Chinese could then harvest the body parts as they like - perhaps even before the lead was delivered. No matter how desperate we are we probably wouldn't want the drug and alcohol ravaged bodies of our ex-crims.

HarryFlashman
26-01-2010, 11:05 AM
Maori party opposed to tougher sentencing - quelle surprise.

Only 26th Jan and so many scumbags already - how about this one?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10621424

Guesses on ethnicity anyone? A relative was on the news last night making excuses for this low life. He's really a good boy who loves his mum.

Cheers
Harry

brettdale
26-01-2010, 05:59 PM
Crimionals always have excuses.

Placebo
27-01-2010, 10:20 AM
Was great to finally see the Graeme Burton story - as told by psychologist Nigel Latta - on the telly last night. Here was a bloke from the Hutt raised by a caring, loving adoptive mother with high standards and expectations - but went off the rails nevertheless despite the efforts of those around him.

He was a bad one from the start. Interestingly it didn't touch on his gang affiliations, which the sensible sentencing trust says he has.

quite a different case from the likes of, say, Taffy Hotene, who pretty much had the dice loaded against him from the start. Burton had every chance.

Next week is Antonie Dixon.

craic
27-01-2010, 11:49 AM
Was great to finally see the Graeme Burton story - as told by psychologist Nigel Latta - on the telly last night. Here was a bloke from the Hutt raised by a caring, loving adoptive mother with high standards and expectations - but went off the rails nevertheless despite the efforts of those around him.

He was a bad one from the start. Interestingly it didn't touch on his gang affiliations, which the sensible sentencing trust says he has.

quite a different case from the likes of, say, Taffy Hotene, who pretty much had the dice loaded against him from the start. Burton had every chance.

Next week is Antonie Dixon.

My experience with criminal offenders and writing their case histories for the Court is that adoptive parents try too hard in some cases to be better parents and can create monsters. Oddly, this is more likely to happen in European familie than in Polynesian families. This is partly because european adoptions often involved older adoptive parents who could lavish their all on a single adoptive child. Polynesians are more likely to be taking in children into established families. The "wonderful parents" are over indulgent and do not set standards.

shasta
27-01-2010, 05:52 PM
My experience with criminal offenders and writing their case histories for the Court is that adoptive parents try too hard in some cases to be better parents and can create monsters. Oddly, this is more likely to happen in European familie than in Polynesian families. This is partly because european adoptions often involved older adoptive parents who could lavish their all on a single adoptive child. Polynesians are more likely to be taking in children into established families. The "wonderful parents" are over indulgent and do not set standards.

Missed from yesterday, but a worthy member of the SOTD club.

Seems like the retarded Judge has also been living in cotton wool box!

What's the point of 3 strikes, when this waste of space gets a "holiday" with 3 hots & a cot?

'Cowardly attack' left toddler like stroke victim

Lance Teriwhi Corkery will spend less than five years in jail for inflicting injuries on a baby that left her in a condition like that of a stroke survivor.

The 39-year-old unemployed Whangarei man "lost it" when his girlfriend's child, Tinishar Walker, 17 months, was crying.

He picked her up, shook her violently and dropped her twice so her head slammed against an open drawer as she fell to the floor.

Tinishar, now 22 months, is still recovering from the "cowardly attack" and is barely able to walk by herself, struggles to feed herself and has to wear a protective padded helmet in case she falls.

She wears a splint on her left leg for support as that side of her body is the worst-affected. She will need help for the rest of her life.

Medical experts say her condition is similar to that of someone who has had a stroke.

Yesterday Corkery appeared in the Whangarei District Court for sentencing after he admitted causing grievous bodily harm to Tinishar with intent.

Judge John MacDonald sentenced Corkery to four years and 10 months in jail, with a non-parole period of two years and five months.

Tinishar's family is struggling to see how such a "short sentence" was dished out for injuries that will affect her for ever.

Grandmother Tina Nicholson said there was no way the prison term compared to the permanent damage done to her moko.

"My beautiful moko will never have a normal life. He beat a baby in a cowardly attack," Mrs Nicholson said. "This just sends out a message to those who do this sort of thing they will just get a slap on the hand."

For Ms Nicholson, sitting in court during sentencing, it was the first time she had heard of the attack details. "It was gut-wrenching to listen to it in court and think someone could do that to a child."

Tinishar's 19-year-old mother, Siobhean Cassidy, said the punishment was "unfair".

"It breaks my heart to see her. Sometimes she just gets frustrated and she should be running around and enjoying herself. She will have to have help for the rest of her life."

Crown prosecutor Mike Smith said it was a miracle Tinishar had survived the prolonged attack and recommended nine years' jail.

Defence lawyer Arthur Fairley offered an apology from Corkery.

He said Corkery had pleaded guilty as soon as he could, was extremely remorseful and had suffered a brain injury himself five weeks before the attack.

Judge MacDonald said Corkery had been in a defacto relationship with Miss Cassidy at the Windsor Ave, Kamo, house. Last August 11, Corkery was at home looking after Tinishar.

His mother was watching television in another room.

Corkery put Tinishar down to sleep but picked her up when she started to cry and violently shook her. Her head flung back and forth, causing a brain bleed.

"You would have had to have lived in a box of cotton wool over the last five years not to have known that this is what happens when you shake a baby," Judge MacDonald said.

Corkery then held Tinishar out in front of him and dropped her from waist height. The back of her head struck an open drawer. Corkery dropped her again, then carried her to the shower to clean her up, but she fell over.

Corkery rang Ms Cassidy, saying Tinishar had injured herself in the shower and asked what he should he do. A short time later he called an ambulance.

Tinishar was lapsing in and out of consciousness and when she arrived at Whangarei Hospital, she was given urgent life support.

A scan showed a fractured skull and a brain bleed. She was flown to Starship in Auckland where she went straight to theatre to have part of her brain removed to relieve the pressure.

More brain bleeds had doctors fearing for her survival.

When spoken to by police, Corkery said he had lost it when the baby would not settle.

Judge MacDonald said the starting point was eight years and he was bound by law to give a 30 per cent reduction for an early guilty plea.

He also gave a six-month reduction for Corkery's brain injury.

Tinishar remains in an Auckland rehabilitation centre and requires one-on-one daily help.

- NORTHERN ADVOCATE (http://www.northernadvocate.co.nz/)

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RazorX
27-01-2010, 06:24 PM
Shoot the *You can insert an offensive term here* guy. That would solve the problem permanently. "Required by law to give a 30% discount for early guilty plea"? The law is seriously warped when it is giving bonuses to the offender. If they want to have discounts they should have the starting point higher - way higher.

Anyways sorry for the rant, it just makes me so angry when I constantly read of this sort of thing happening.

belgarion
28-01-2010, 11:03 AM
33 dogs massacred in 'rifle-killing frenzy' (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10622729&pnum=0)

There more here than meets the eye ... But such a massacre speaks volumes about the two men who clearly "took the law into their own hands". Dosn't say what sort of dogs they were. Nor does it say why Mr Hargreaves had so many.

craic
28-01-2010, 03:22 PM
One f the dogs was only three weeks old. Seems they may have killed the mans fox terrier. I have a little foxie at my feet as I write and if anyones nasties killed him, I doubt if I would be able to stop at shooting the dogs.

shasta
28-01-2010, 03:53 PM
33 dogs massacred in 'rifle-killing frenzy' (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10622729&pnum=0)

There more here than meets the eye ... But such a massacre speaks volumes about the two men who clearly "took the law into their own hands". Dosn't say what sort of dogs they were. Nor does it say why Mr Hargreaves had so many.

What was the guy doing with 40 unregistered dogs in the first place?

Perhaps the looney needs shooting himself!

brettdale
28-01-2010, 04:13 PM
If anyone deserve this award, its these two men.

Placebo
28-01-2010, 04:41 PM
If anyone deserve this award, its these two men.

So someone who kills dogs is worse than someone who kills people?

Skol
29-01-2010, 11:55 AM
I'm not saying the shooters did the right thing, but anyone who lives in a caravan surrounded by wrecked cars and 33 unregistered dogs is quite clearly a simpleton.

sharer
29-01-2010, 01:49 PM
I'm not saying the shooters did the right thing, but anyone who lives in a caravan surrounded by wrecked cars and 33 unregistered dogs is quite clearly a simpleton.

So, simpletons should be shot?

Hmmm, now where is that little list ...

neopoleII
29-01-2010, 08:25 PM
i live in a hippy style house with some old cars and caravans around, lots of chickens and wildlife hanging around the front door for a free feed, yet my land is worth more than alot of the yuppy city dweller living in townhouses or highrises in downtown aucks.
i wonder what the simpletons land is worth?
i have read he is a mechanic as well....... so obviously employed and able to fund his ecentric lifestyle.
in guessing the shooter is a queen street lifestyler.

disc.
ex city sliker , ex cafe poser, ex mod-con collector, ex studio designer.

im just a man living a good life.

and good lives come in many forms.

ps.
trying to grow the biggest pumpkin in NZ at the moment.
lots of fun......

George
30-01-2010, 08:22 AM
Anyone who shoots puppies with the excuse their foxy was killed by members of
the same pack are scumbags in my opinion. They can't hide behind a signed statement
from the owner (possibly under intimidation) that they won't be held liable.
Have started a thread on the property section about 'House Inspections' where
my sister's house is rotting on all its foundation timbers because of a slack
building report which states 'No liability for any losses etc.' which is not necessarily
a defence in law.
If these guys broke a law, and I think they must have, then they will have to answer,
signed note or not. And one of them owns the local pet shop with his wife - unbelievable.

I don't understand the owner letting them do it when he had put two other dogs down the day
before, one had killed a sheep the other had similar markings. And his mate stood by seeming
unable to intervene in the slaughter - which brings up the idea of intimidation.

George

belgarion
30-01-2010, 10:05 AM
Have started a thread on the property section about 'House Inspections' where
my sister's house is rotting on all its foundation timbers because of a slack
building report which states 'No liability for any losses etc.' which is not necessarily
a defence in law.


This is becoming a very common story. My friend got caught the same way but this time with a roof. Lawyers got involved and the only outcome was that the "certified" property inspector had to refund the extorbidant fee he charged of about $1000. I mean, really, if the "certified experts" are not checking foundations and roofs properly then what use are they. Just another set of parisites involved in the buying and selling of residential property? Methinks so!

shasta
07-02-2010, 12:13 AM
This is becoming a very common story. My friend got caught the same way but this time with a roof. Lawyers got involved and the only outcome was that the "certified" property inspector had to refund the extorbidant fee he charged of about $1000. I mean, really, if the "certified experts" are not checking foundations and roofs properly then what use are they. Just another set of parisites involved in the buying and selling of residential property? Methinks so!

Today's infamous member of the SOTD club, a sick paedo, probably not the last time we will see him either :mad:

Our judges & suppression laws need a kick up the ar$e

So called "prominent" citizens get name suppression?

I'm sorry but being a pervert & a paedophile has NOTHING to do with mental illness, nor should the media be drawing such conclusions, & who gives a stuff what his wife does.

The justification that no one in NZ "suffered" is bollocks, i say the local community should be made aware of this person, in case there is any further risk to children nearby.

I'm sure i don't need to spell out the link between child porn & sexual abuse, it pretty much goes hand in hand.

Name suppression in computer porn case

A judge has granted permanent name suppression to a prominent Manawatu man who downloaded more than 300,000 pornographic images, many of children.

The man, who was charged with 25 counts of possessing objectionable material and one count of distributing pornographic images on the internet after an FBI investigation led to his arrest last year, was sentenced to four months' home detention when he appeared for sentencing in Palmerston North District Court yesterday.

The Manawatu Standard reported that between 2007 and 2009, the man downloaded the images off the internet on his personal computer at home. He also stored images on an external hard-drive.

Many of the images had young naked girls posing in sexualised positions.

Judge Grant Fraser said he granted permanent name suppression to protect the man's family, his mental state, his wife's job and his ability to rehabilitate.

"I've also accepted without hesitation the public interest and the public being aware of the character of you, and I've also taken into account the seriousness of your offending," Judge Fraser said.

"In this case there is no offending against any individuals within the New Zealand community.

"Therefore publicity in my view is not required to flush out any potential offenders or to enable members of the community to keep themselves safe from you."

Crown prosecutor Ben Vanderkolk said granting name suppression could be seen as protecting a person in a privileged position. He also disputed the need to protect the man's children as they were well informed about the offending.

But Judge Fraser cited it as a unique case in which the man had already suffered from his actions.

The man had just reached the pinnacle of his career last year when his house was searched by police.

He had since lost his employment and significant income and was suspended from his professional occupation.

He had also begun therapy to treat his paraphilia.

Judge Fraser also said while the consequences were "immeasurable" and would hang over his head for the rest of his life, the children and women in the images would also have to deal with the life-long effect of abuse.

- NZPA
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winner69
07-02-2010, 07:58 AM
That guy with 200,000 images ... jeez 200,000 is a big number .... remains unknown

.... but the 'perving banker' at Macquarie looking at semi naked Miranda Kerr is known across the world. Worse still he has offended all women bankers across the world by such lurid behaviour so probably he deserves what he gets ... even if it is infamy

belgarion
07-02-2010, 10:37 AM
Shasta? Why my quote in your post? Is there link between the person and the building industry?

Also, If it was your father / brother / son who got name suppression you'd be pretty pleased wouldn't you? I mean, everyone would know you.... The guy only had pictures and no evidence of any actual criminal acts. Barely worthy of a news article really except for people like you who want to make people suffer as much as possible when they fit outside your 'norms' which are the antithesis of "diverse".

re ... Worse still he has offended all women bankers across the world by such lurid behaviour ... The women bankers (and women lawyers and women in IT) I know have already sent emails supporting the guy. The images were non-nude and while he shouldn't have been taking a quick look at work - who hasn't done this? This includes most women I know who frequently flick semi-naked pictures of men around and "men are morons" jokes. The most digusting image I saw was of semi naked Jonas brothers (make me feel like puking!) :).

shasta
07-02-2010, 02:04 PM
Shasta? Why my quote in your post? Is there link between the person and the building industry?

Also, If it was your father / brother / son who got name suppression you'd be pretty pleased wouldn't you? I mean, everyone would know you.... The guy only had pictures and no evidence of any actual criminal acts. Barely worthy of a news article really except for people like you who want to make people suffer as much as possible when they fit outside your 'norms' which are the antithesis of "diverse".

re ... Worse still he has offended all women bankers across the world by such lurid behaviour ... The women bankers (and women lawyers and women in IT) I know have already sent emails supporting the guy. The images were non-nude and while he shouldn't have been taking a quick look at work - who hasn't done this? This includes most women I know who frequently flick semi-naked pictures of men around and "men are morons" jokes. The most digusting image I saw was of semi naked Jonas brothers (make me feel like puking!) :).

No link whatsoever, i had just clicked on the last post, in lieu of copying the article onto the quick reply. Just makes formatting the article a little easier.

winner69
07-02-2010, 03:13 PM
Shasta?

re ... Worse still he has offended all women bankers across the world by such lurid behaviour ... The women bankers (and women lawyers and women in IT) I know have already sent emails supporting the guy. The images were non-nude and while he shouldn't have been taking a quick look at work - who hasn't done this? This includes most women I know who frequently flick semi-naked pictures of men around and "men are morons" jokes. The most digusting image I saw was of semi naked Jonas brothers (make me feel like puking!) :).

Belg .... I was only meetioning what this gal said in the SMH the other day

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/feel-sorry-for-kiely-but-pity-more-his-female-colleagues-20100204-ng33.html?autostart=1

The problem seems to be 'images of sexually objectified women prime men to perceive and respond to fully clothed women in the same way' and Cordelia's last words were 'So go ahead and feel sorry for Kiely, by all means. I do. But don't forget all the clothed women at Macquarie whose careers he helped make that much harderher'

Dr_Who
07-02-2010, 05:20 PM
That guy with 200,000 images ... jeez 200,000 is a big number .... remains unknown

.... but the 'perving banker' at Macquarie looking at semi naked Miranda Kerr is known across the world. Worse still he has offended all women bankers across the world by such lurid behaviour so probably he deserves what he gets ... even if it is infamy

Come on, dont tell me you havnt looked at nudy photos. Anyway, that guy has taste, Miranda Kerr is hot! :D

Placebo
09-02-2010, 09:53 AM
Here's my nominee: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3305195/Mongrel-Mob-prospect-denies-pub-murder.

Presumption of innocence means he's only a nominee ;). He's taken responsibility for the killing but seems to be heading down the track of self defence as the bloke he killed was `going to get his gun' (which wasn't loaded, but the guy didn't know that), and that he was doing as he was told as Mungie prospects are automatons who can't think for themselves.

Last time I looked we all had free will, but there you go. Lawyers, eh? They'll give anything a crack.

shasta
12-02-2010, 12:07 AM
Here's my nominee: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3305195/Mongrel-Mob-prospect-denies-pub-murder.

Presumption of innocence means he's only a nominee ;). He's taken responsibility for the killing but seems to be heading down the track of self defence as the bloke he killed was `going to get his gun' (which wasn't loaded, but the guy didn't know that), and that he was doing as he was told as Mungie prospects are automatons who can't think for themselves.

Last time I looked we all had free will, but there you go. Lawyers, eh? They'll give anything a crack.

This scumbag should have been a past inductee of the SOTD, but it's topical now, because it's hit the news...:rolleyes:

This guy hasn't had any name suppression, & the fact he couldn't even keep to his bail conditions should raise a red flag given he has no parole conditions imposed on him.

We might see some vigilantes try & boot him out, but it poses a wee problem.

Should this guy be targetted" by locals, we may see in the future others released from prison & communities NOT be informed on who is living among them.

Would you wanna know who has been released into your community?

Community outraged rapist to move in

Residents in the Kapiti coast community of Raumati are outraged a repeat rapist is set to move in, close to local schools.

Justin Ames Johnston, 39, was released from prison in August last year after serving more than 15 years for two rapes - one involving a woman, 26, in 1993 and the other a 15-year-old girl in 1994.

Kapiti police confirmed this week that he would be living in Margaret Rd, the same street as Kapiti College and around the corner from a primary school, the Dominion Post reported.

In December, Johnson breached the conditions and was returned to Rimutaka prison in December, where he remains.

He is due in Lower Hutt District Court on Monday to defend a charge of being unlawfully in a closed yard.

If and when he is released he plans to live with his sister in Margaret Rd.
Raumati residents met police yesterday to discuss their concerns.

Kapiti College principal Tony Kane said it seemed "spectacularly inappropriate" that Johnston could live so close to the school.

There had been no warning from police about Johnston's move, he said.
Kapiti-Mana area commander Inspector John Spence said police were working with the Corrections Department on the issue.

Dr_Who
12-02-2010, 07:08 AM
There is a site in the US that lists all the convicted sex offenders addresses. It will scare the living daylights out of you if you know how many there are in the US. We should have a similar site in NZ.

http://www.familywatchdog.us/

craic
12-02-2010, 11:03 AM
When Theresa Cormack was murdered here in Napier it was said by the police that they had up to 400 sex offender suspects in the area. I knew quite a few of them. But I will state it again - clearly - the vast majority of murders and stranger rapes etc are committed by the next door neighbour that you never suspected in a hundred years. The convicted rapist who lives next door will, almost always, go well away from home to re-offend. The odd exception is usually an individual who is mentally handicapped in an obvious way.