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RazorX
01-11-2009, 10:10 PM
Hmm Nita once again you and I agree.

I agree with all three points, as well as the 'difficult' bit.

A few thoughts of my own: In this country strong family values were virtually wiped out by Helen and co after 9 years in power, and as for religion that gets shot down pretty quickly too. Take a look at Tamaki. He's getting hammered, and yet all he has done is good. Some interviewer was asking about all the tithing. Well whats it to them? People give donations to many causes, some of them far less than Destiny. People have called Obama a messiah - did anyone jump up and down? No they loved it.

If people were more worried about dealing with drugs, and those girls that beat up that teenager, than beating up on religious moves we'd be better off.

Nevl
02-11-2009, 10:12 AM
Simple in thoury, difficult in reality.
1/Education
2/ Installing strong family and relgious values
3/ Strong punishment for the use or dealing in ilegal drugs

After 4 years living and workin gin Malaysia it works over there so i cant see why its not possible to work here over time.

Problem with your view is that you are placing a value depending on the stature, education, ethnicity of the people affected. Sounds a bit nazi to me

Exactly. Difficult. In fact some would argue impossible without even more draconian laws in place. After all how do legislate family values? Muslim family values, Christian ones or secular? And then enforcement of those values. Fining Parents who fail to enforce curfews on their kids? How do you even find these parents with out a CCTV camera in every household. Def agree on the number 3 and with education, that must come from the family and as we know there is a huge segment of our society who won't even help in teaching their kids to read let alone to live a decent responsible life.

Sorry Maylasia would not be model of a society that I would like to see promoted in NZ with the dishonesty and hippocracy that seems such a huge part of their culture.

Also 80% of NZ society is getting it right. And even in Maori families a huge majority are getting it right. We are focusing on a very small part of our society. Most Maori kids that I work with and deal with are awesome and polite and great kids. However denial that there is a problem with 75% of kids killed since the the anti smacking bill being Maori is just stupid. The thing is only 1 of those kids killed has being of 100% Caucasian descent means that Caucasian child death statistics are amongst the best in the world. Even Sweden is not as good. Not pretending that anything is perfect but in the light of the fact that we have a major failure in a tiny section of society that is now being handed on to the next generation we need to find an effective and efficent strategy to stop another generation passing on the same problems.

blockhead
02-11-2009, 10:14 AM
Haven't looked over here in the SOTD section for a day or two, very surprised you have all let Michael Laws off so lightly, castrate them, sterilise them, oh hang what a waste why not just give them the lethal injection.

Very dangerous to be heading off down that road.

A certain German gentlemans name comes to mind ???

shasta
02-11-2009, 11:30 AM
Haven't looked over here in the SOTD section for a day or two, very surprised you have all let Michael Laws off so lightly, castrate them, sterilise them, oh hang what a waste why not just give them the lethal injection.

Very dangerous to be heading off down that road.

A certain German gentlemans name comes to mind ???

We are ignoring Michael Laws, he is playing the media to increase his radio show's ratings, there are bigger scumbags around than him.

He's had his 5 minutes in the headlines!

shasta
02-11-2009, 11:32 AM
We are ignoring Michael Laws, he is playing the media to increase his radio show's ratings, there are bigger scumbags around than him.

He's had his 5 minutes in the headlines!

...and here's today's SOTD

Paedophile avoids preventative jail term

A Christchurch paedophile with a history of offending dating back to the early 1990s has avoided preventive detention, despite the judge saying he believed the man would reoffend.

Robert Reginald Neill, 60, pleaded guilty to one charge of sexual violation by unlawful sexual connection and two charges of sexual conduct with an 11-year-old boy, The Press reported.

At his recent sentencing in the High Court in Christchurch, Justice Rhys Harrison said he was "satisfied ... that [Neill] would be likely to commit another qualifying offence".

But his willingness to undertake sexual offending programmes had saved him from a preventive sentence.

Instead the judge imposed a 5-1/2-year jail term with a minimum non-parole period of 3-1/2 years.

Neill had five previous convictions dating from 1992 for indecency offences against a boy and girl under 12, and a young male.

He had previously been unable to attend sexual offending programmes, the judge said.

minimoke
02-11-2009, 11:45 AM
We are ignoring Michael Laws, he is playing the media to increase his radio show's ratings, there are bigger scumbags around than him.

He's had his 5 minutes in the headlines!
I'm not sure if he got nominated for the SOTD and if he did I can't work out why - seems like quite a good idea to me.

There is already a lot of intervention in the birthing process. You can have a 12 year old at school given state funded contraception, without parental consent or knowledge, to prevent un-wanted births; you have the morning after pill for the same thing. For those that managed to miss the first two options there is the termination option - all so far voluntary. You then have the state, through the already over burdoned tax payer funding birth incetyives through the DPB and Paid Parental leave - also voluntary and very expensive. Beyond that we birth - whcih for some means hospitals in which bashed kids get admitted, foster homes in which some will be abused, CYPS social workers with a case load too big to handle, whanau in which they will be luckky to survice adolescence; funeral parlour where some will lie; and then onwards to wayward parents who can't be bothered putting a book in a home but will later give the kids their alchohol to drink until they kill someone else.

So why not cut the misery off at the begining - voluntary sterilisation in exchange for a cash gift is fiscally responsible. Tie this to penal reform and "one strike and your'e Out" and its off to the knackering yard seems to work in nicely with ACTS three strikes policy.

Clealry Laws idea is on the wrong thread!

Placebo
02-11-2009, 12:59 PM
...and here's today's SOTD

Paedophile avoids preventative jail term

A Christchurch paedophile with a history of offending dating back to the early 1990s has avoided preventive detention, despite the judge saying he believed the man would reoffend.

Robert Reginald Neill, 60, pleaded guilty to one charge of sexual violation by unlawful sexual connection and two charges of sexual conduct with an 11-year-old boy, The Press reported.

At his recent sentencing in the High Court in Christchurch, Justice Rhys Harrison said he was "satisfied ... that [Neill] would be likely to commit another qualifying offence".

But his willingness to undertake sexual offending programmes had saved him from a preventive sentence.

Instead the judge imposed a 5-1/2-year jail term with a minimum non-parole period of 3-1/2 years.

Neill had five previous convictions dating from 1992 for indecency offences against a boy and girl under 12, and a young male.

He had previously been unable to attend sexual offending programmes, the judge said.


another one where you have to question the judge's decision. I mean, come on. The guy has some serious form, and those sex offender programmes have very worrying (if any) success rates. Preventive if ever I saw it Justice Harrison!

Skol
03-11-2009, 08:52 AM
How about Bailey Junior Kurariki for scumbag of the day (again).
A series of court appearances for breaching supervision and wilful damage.

This guy might qualify as NZ's biggest loser.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/kurariki-back-in-court-facing-raft-charges-3108768

Placebo
03-11-2009, 04:03 PM
How about Bailey Junior Kurariki for scumbag of the day (again).
A series of court appearances for breaching supervision and wilful damage.

This guy might qualify as NZ's biggest loser.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/kurariki-back-in-court-facing-raft-charges-3108768

Or maybe it's just the media being lazy?

Soft target. There are plenty of other crims just like him (albeit ones that didn't kill a pizza guy when aged 12)

shasta
03-11-2009, 04:09 PM
Or maybe it's just the media being lazy?

Soft target. There are plenty of other crims just like him (albeit ones that didn't kill a pizza guy when aged 12)

Suicidal or not, driving on the wrong side of the road & not brakeing is both callous & premediatated, surely?

Murder accused never braked before driving into victim, court told

http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/A_2711009NZHGBWORRELL1_300x200.jpg

Tony Worrell collided with the car driven by Katie Powles at a speed of about 85km per hour - and no forensic evidence was found that he braked or tried to avoid a collision, a court has heard.

Crash analyst Constable Christopher Peet said there wasn't enough time or distance for Mrs Powles, 26, to avoid a collision with Worrell.

After the impact both cars started spinning until their final resting places, Mrs Powles Mazda into a shallow ditch on a grass verge and Worrell's Nissan in the opposite lane with the rear left wheel against a bridge abutment.

The front right wheel and suspension had been pushed under her seat, trapping her legs, requiring the fire service to cut her free.

Worrell is defending a murder charge at the High Court at Auckland, arguing he didn't deliberately crash into the 26-year-old on June 3, 2008.

She died in hospital a few hours after the crash.

Mr Peet said visibility was good at the time of the crash and the weather was fine and clear.

"Driving on the wrong side of the road is the primary causative factor for this crash. From a crash analysts perspective we are unable to ascertain the reason for the accused' movements in the westbound lane."

He told the court for Worrell's Nissan to collide with the red Mazda 323 driven by Mrs Powles there had to have been "other forces" acting on it to change its deflected path caused by the collision with a Fiat Uno.

The Fiat was driven by Brett Robinson who Worrell is accused of causing grievous bodily harm. Mr Robinson was seriously injured in the crash and has been unable to return to work.

Mr Peet said possible influences that could have changed the Nissan's deflected path were a deliberate or involuntary steering input, steering fault, damage from the first collision impacting on the steering or tyre pressures.

He couldn't say which.

Before the impact with Mr Robinson, Worrell is alleged to have crossed the centre line four times. Mr Peet said it couldn't be determined when those movements started or what caused them.

Worrell denies four additional charges of attempting to cause intentional damage.

Matthew Goodwin, representing Worrell, said it was the defence case that Worrell "didn't have suicide on his mind" the day of the accidents.

"Although his driving caused danger to road users, causing serious consequences for Mr Robinson and devastating consequences for Mrs Powles, the defence says Mr Worrell never meant to hurt either of those people."

Five defence witnesses will be called but Worrell will not give evidence himself.

shasta
04-11-2009, 03:07 PM
Today's waste of space is South African & the offences took place in Africa, but as he's living here & poses a threat to NZer's i'm nominating him for SOTD.

Former star denies sex attacks on teen singer

4:00AM Wednesday Nov 04, 2009


A former South African singing star now living in New Zealand has pleaded not guilty in the High Court at Pretoria to sexually molesting child singer Robbie Klay in their home country.

Jurie Els, who bought a house in Auckland in 2001, denies two charges of indecently assaulting Klay when he was between 11 and 16 and soliciting Klay to commit indecent acts.

State prosecutors alleged Els sexually molested and sodomised Klay for years at various places in the country.

Acting Judge Chris Eksteen rejected the prosecution's application for Klay to testify behind closed doors about the events that led to his tell-all tale in the media and the eventual criminal charges against Els.

Els' lawyer, Danie Dorfling, opposed the application, saying the right to a fair trial included the right to a public trial and the state had not presented any evidence why the court should grant such an unusual request.

"The complainant in this case exercised his discretion to tell his story to the whole world and to involve both the printed and electronic media," Mr Dorfling contended.

Els and his wife, former Olympic high jumper Hestrie Cloete, returned to Pretoria a week ago from New Zealand for the high-profile trial. The trial continues.

Placebo
05-11-2009, 01:06 PM
Today's nominee:

Father found guilty of 11-week-old's murder
By CLIO FRANCIS - Stuff.co.nz

A South Auckland man accused of starving, beating and finally killing his 11-week-old daughter has been found guilty of murder.

The 12 day trial for Azees Mahomed, 31, and his wife Tabbasum Mahomed, 26, came to a close at Auckland's High Court yesterday morning.

The six-woman and five-man jury deliberated for five hours before returning the unanimous verdicts this morning.

The couple's daughter, 11-week-old Tahani Mahomed, died in Auckland's Starship Hospital on New Years Day, 2008, after she arrived at Middlemore Hospital on December 28, 2007, with severe head injuries.

The jury also found him guilty of two charges of grievous bodily harm - which relate to breaking his daughter's leg and giving her a head injury so severe it caused brain damage between October 7 and December 26, 2007 - and one count of failing to provide the necessaries of life.

Tabbasum Mahomed was found guilty of one charge of failing to provide the necessaries of life.

Justice Harrison thanked the jury for their service in "a particularly difficult and traumatic trial".

"The circumstances have been extraordinary and traumatic."

The jury forewoman broke down in tears after delivering the verdict.

Justice Rhys Harrison summed up the case yesterday morning, telling the jury that given the tragic circumstances of baby Tahani's death it was "only natural" if they had felt an "emotional response" during the trial.

"However I ask you when you sit down in the jury room to put those emotions aside and focus purely on the evidence."

The burden of proof lay with the crown and the jury would have to be sure that each charge had been proven beyond reasonable doubt, Justice Harrison said.

On the opening day of the trial crown prosecutor Philip Hamlin had told the jury the South African born couple had treated their young daughter with "systematic neglect and violence".

Tahani had been born healthy and of a good weight on October 7, 2007, but, just over two months later, lay dead, Mr Hamlin said.

"In 11 weeks, baby Tahani has been neglected and not fed.

"In 11 weeks, baby Tahani has been left in a hot car for hours.

"In 11 weeks, baby Tahani has brain injury from the first injury she suffered.

"In 11 weeks, baby Tahani was the victim of the second and fatal head injury," Mr Hamlin told the jury.

The Crown alleged Tahani was murdered by her father when her head was "slammed against a very hard surface, twice".

The second blow to head had been of such violence the child never recovered, Mr Hamlin said. Azees Mohamed was also responsible for pulling the baby's left leg so hard it broke her shin bone, he said.
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When the parents finally took their daughter to hospital on December 28, 2007, she was gravely ill, the court heard.

The doctor who examined Tahani when she arrived at Middlemore Hospital described her as severely "malnourished", estimating her weight to be only 4 kilograms.

Mr Hamlin said that, when the Mahomeds had arrived at the hospital, they had told medical staff "they could not understand how or why the baby was in such a critical condition".
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3034435/Father-found-guilty-of-11-week-olds-murder

shasta
09-11-2009, 12:39 PM
Today's SOTD nomination has already featured before, but with some new info he worthy of another nomination & a dead cert for future "hall of famer"

One real sick puppy here folks

'House of horrors' murderer had sex with dead victims

A man who has admitted murdering two women and burying their bodies beneath his house had sex with both victims after killing them.

In Christchurch District Court this morning, Jason Paul Somerville, 33, admitted killing his wife Rebecca Chamberlain, 35, and neighbour Tisha Lowry, 28.

Police found the women's bodies under Somerville's Wainoni house in early September. Tisha Lowry was murdered in September 2008 after she disappeared while walking home. Rebecca Chamberlain was killed on August 30, 2009.

The summary of facts in the case says that Ms Lowry knew Somerville and went to his home between 10.50am and 12.30pm on Thursday September 25, 2008.

This was two houses from where Ms Lowry was living with her grandfather.
Ms Lowry had previously been to the home of Somerville and his wife, Rebecca Chamberlain.

Police say Somerville was home alone and answered a knock on his front door. He opened the door to find Ms Lowry standing there and invited her inside.

"Once inside the address a struggle has taken place, [Somerville] grabbed Tisha around her throat with his hands."

Ms Lowry struggled with Somerville, kicking and punching him, but he tightened his stranglehold.

"[Somerville] increased the pressure of the strangle to a point where the victim was no longer resisting and had lost consciousness. [Somerville] continued to squeeze her throat until he was certain she was no longer breathing," the summary of facts states.

He then forced a pair of his wife's underpants into Ms Lowry's throat, before removing her jeans and underwear and having sex with her.

Somerville was due to attend a meeting early that afternoon. Being short on time, he left the body of Ms Lowry lying on the floor of the cupboard under the stairs of his house.

He returned about an hour later with the knowledge that his wife was shortly due home. He removed the manhole cover on the floor of the stairwell cupboard, which led beneath the house.

Somerville dragged Ms Lowry's body and lowered her through the manhole and left her lying semi-naked under the house before putting the cover back over the manhole and cleaning the house in anticipation of his wife's return.

Ms Chamberlain returned to the home about 3pm that day and had no knowledge of what had taken place in her absence.

The following morning Ms Chamberlain left the house to attend a meeting, which Somerville knew would keep her away from the house for the majority of the day.

"[Somerville] has gone beneath the house and removed the remainder of the clothing worn by the victim. He again sexually violated her body by having sexual intercourse with her," the summary of facts states.

"He then dug a shallow grave near where she lay and buried her body along with the clothing that she had been wearing."

Ms Lowry was reported missing by family on September 28, 2008. A police investigation began and Somerville was spoken to on October 5, 2008, as part of routine inquiries in the area.

Somerville told police that he and his wife would often see Ms Lowry on the bus and about four weeks earlier she had knocked on their front door asking for another person.

Somerville also said that Ms Lowry came inside his house and they talked about the real estate agents that he was using to sell the property.

Somerville told police Ms Lowry had walked around his house and that he originally had assumed she was going to use the toilet.

He said after a short time he found her in their bedroom looking through the wardrobe and that he then asked her to leave.

The summary of facts says that about 9.30am on Sunday August 30, 2009, Somerville woke and attempted to have sex with his wife in their upstairs bedroom.

"She has not welcomed his sexual advances and has repeatedly said no to him."
Somerville then went downstairs to the kitchen and made a cup of coffee before returning to the bedroom and trying again to have sex with his wife.

She has again refused and this angered Somerville. He placed his arm around her neck in a headlock fashion and tightened his grip, compressing her airway.

Once she was unconscious, Somerville felt for a pulse, but found none.
Somerville then placed his fingers on top of vital arteries and applied firm downward pressure to ensure there was no chance of his wife regaining consciousness.

He then took a pair of underpants and stuffed them into his wife's throat.
"Once he established that the victim was no longer alive he proceeded to have sexual intercourse with her," the statement continued.

"He dragged her body out of the bedroom, along the hallway, down the flight of stairs, where he forced her through the manhole in the stairwell cupboard and buried her body in the sand underneath the floorboards."

About 2.15pm on Sunday August 30, 2009, Somerville phoned the Christchurch police and told them his wife was missing.

He told police she had left the house about 10.30am that day to go to church.
He said that she left without her house keys, which he felt was out of character and that her handbag, cellphone and bank cards were also left at home.

Somerville told police that his wife was a recovering alcoholic who was on medication for depression and that she had previously tried to harm herself after drinking.

On September 2, 2009, police spoke with Somerville again and established that his wife had still not returned or made contact with him.

The following day, Somerville went into the New Brighton police station and told police that he had discovered his wife's prescription glasses and wedding ring in their letterbox at his house where they must have been placed overnight.

When interviewed further, Somerville admitted that he had killed his wife and Ms Lowry.

In explanation, Somerville said he had become angry with Ms Lowry and killed her. He also stated that he killed his wife because he felt deep anger at being rejected for sex by her.

Judge Noble remanded Somerville - listed as unemployed - in custody until November 27 for a pre-sentence report.

The Crown said the issue of preventive detention may arise at sentencing and it is likely to call for reports on the psychiatric state of the accused.

Somerville's only previous appearance before the court was on a traffic related matter.

His house has been the subject of repeated arson attacks since the discovery of the women's bodies.

minimoke
09-11-2009, 01:14 PM
Today's SOTD nomination has already featured before, but with some new info he worthy of another nomination & a dead cert for future "hall of famer"

One real sick puppy here folks

I'll second that - but as I said on Kirkys cat thread - these people are walking amongst us. We don't have the pshcy services to look after such people and our governments would sooner they lived amongst the broader community rather than have the stigma of being institutionalised attached to them.

And in a word of defence for Christchurh (who is geting a bad rap for its crime) we are importing a number of these loons from other cities. We can partly blame the Prison Service on that with their move of inmates (and their associated dead beat families). But Somerville is pretty much in a class of his own though - someone whom his church couldn't save!

Placebo
10-11-2009, 09:54 AM
Come off it Mini - you can't blame everyone else for Chch's woes! Everyone knows Christchurch's high rate of looniness and weird crime is a product of

* insufferably flat landscape
* the dry nor'west "Fohn" wind,
* decades of inbreeding, and
* deeply suppressed Anglicanism and associated puritanical bullsh*t (Thanks Hone)

Chch has the highest proportion of psychiatirists per head of population in NZ. It also has the highest rates of antidepressant and antipsychotic prescribing.

Now, get off your sister and take your pills ;)

minimoke
10-11-2009, 11:33 AM
Now, get off your sister and take your pills ;)
Some might say there is little wrong with a loving and intimate relationship with a close relative. In the better parts of town we keep them above ground and breathing.

How does a Wellingtonian know he's satisfied his lover?

minimoke
10-11-2009, 11:34 AM
How does a Wellingtonian know he's satisfied his lover?
By the contented look on her face

minimoke
10-11-2009, 12:32 PM
Perhasp todays award could go to Nathan Connely for perpetuating teh image that Christchurch people are a bit odd. Why would he want sex with a prostitute? Thats just odd!

"A former-Christchurch policeman is in on trial for extorting free sex from a prostitute - on several occasions in the back of his patrol car.



Justice French lifted suppression on the name and former occupation of Nathan Thorose Connolly at the start of his High Court trial in Christchurch today.


He is charged with one count of corruptly obtaining a bribe and two charges of compelling sexual conduct knowing consent had been obtained through a threat.


The Crown says Connolly used a threat of $1000-worth of traffic fines to compel a Manchester St prostitute to give him free sex from December 2006 to September 2007.


On several occasions Connolly and the woman had sex in his marked police car, once in a cemetery in Belfast.


Connolly denies the charges, saying that though what he did was professionally and morally wrong, the sex was consensual and no threats were ever made."

shasta
10-11-2009, 01:04 PM
Perhasp todays award could go to Nathan Connely for perpetuating teh image that Christchurch people are a bit odd. Why would he want sex with a prostitute? Thats just odd!

"A former-Christchurch policeman is in on trial for extorting free sex from a prostitute - on several occasions in the back of his patrol car.



Justice French lifted suppression on the name and former occupation of Nathan Thorose Connolly at the start of his High Court trial in Christchurch today.


He is charged with one count of corruptly obtaining a bribe and two charges of compelling sexual conduct knowing consent had been obtained through a threat.


The Crown says Connolly used a threat of $1000-worth of traffic fines to compel a Manchester St prostitute to give him free sex from December 2006 to September 2007.


On several occasions Connolly and the woman had sex in his marked police car, once in a cemetery in Belfast.


Connolly denies the charges, saying that though what he did was professionally and morally wrong, the sex was consensual and no threats were ever made."

What's going on in Christchurch at the moment, Placebo might be on to something, those warm Nor'westers' seem to bring out the criminals!

Another nominee for SOTD, (again from Christchurch :rolleyes:)

Some sick puppies down there at the mo...:confused:

Family appeals for return of disabled boy's computer

The family of an eight-year-old mute boy with cerebral palsy whose sole means of communication with the outside world was stolen on the weekend has appealed for its return.

Thieves stole the $20,000 electronic communication device from his wheelchair, as Caleb Phillips sat and watched in his Christchurch home on Saturday.

Caleb was given the Ministry of Health-funded Dyvanox computer in April last year to help him communicate with others.

He had his family's names and details programmed, along with photos, phrases, songs and movies, and the device spoke for him at the press of a button, allowing him to say if he was hungry or felt sick.

Thieves snuck in the back door of the family's Wainoni home while Caleb's mother was hanging out washing on Saturday afternoon.

First they took the device's charger from his mother's bag, then the large, flat, touch-screen device while Caleb was using it.

Software on the machine tailored to the boy could not be used by anyone else, and it was password-protected, his mother Zara Phillips said.

"It is of no use to anyone but [Caleb] and allows him to attend school and communicate with others."

She hoped the thieves would realise they could not use it and leave it somewhere.

It had taken a huge amount of time to get the computer suited to Caleb's needs and he was distressed without it, she told The Press.

New Brighton police Acting Sergeant Ed Landstra called the theft a "despicable thing".

He appealed for whoever had the machine to leave it somewhere safe such as a school, library or police station, so it could be given back.

- NZPA

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shasta
10-11-2009, 04:16 PM
What's going on in Christchurch at the moment, Placebo might be on to something, those warm Nor'westers' seem to bring out the criminals!

Another nominee for SOTD, (again from Christchurch :rolleyes:)

Some sick puppies down there at the mo...:confused:

Family appeals for return of disabled boy's computer

The family of an eight-year-old mute boy with cerebral palsy whose sole means of communication with the outside world was stolen on the weekend has appealed for its return.

Thieves stole the $20,000 electronic communication device from his wheelchair, as Caleb Phillips sat and watched in his Christchurch home on Saturday.

Caleb was given the Ministry of Health-funded Dyvanox computer in April last year to help him communicate with others.

He had his family's names and details programmed, along with photos, phrases, songs and movies, and the device spoke for him at the press of a button, allowing him to say if he was hungry or felt sick.

Thieves snuck in the back door of the family's Wainoni home while Caleb's mother was hanging out washing on Saturday afternoon.

First they took the device's charger from his mother's bag, then the large, flat, touch-screen device while Caleb was using it.

Software on the machine tailored to the boy could not be used by anyone else, and it was password-protected, his mother Zara Phillips said.

"It is of no use to anyone but [Caleb] and allows him to attend school and communicate with others."

She hoped the thieves would realise they could not use it and leave it somewhere.

It had taken a huge amount of time to get the computer suited to Caleb's needs and he was distressed without it, she told The Press.

New Brighton police Acting Sergeant Ed Landstra called the theft a "despicable thing".

He appealed for whoever had the machine to leave it somewhere safe such as a school, library or police station, so it could be given back.

- NZPA

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It's getting hard to keep up with all the Christchurch SOTD nominees, maybe we need an am & pm one to keep up?

Even the dodgey parts of Wellington seem safe in comparison :eek:

Man jailed for pouring toxic paint on woman

A Christchurch man was sentenced to nearly two years' prison today for pouring a can of toxic paint over his ex-partner.

He later sent her a text message reading, "Told the office you'd be late today. You've had a bad hair day".

Nigel John Giltrap, 42, was convicted of one count of assault with a weapon and four breaches of protection orders in Christchurch District Court.

Judge Jane Farish said on October 16 last year, Giltrap's ex-partner had gone out with a friend.

When he saw her he "lost the plot" and threatened her consistently over the next 12 hours.

When she approached him in a workshop the following day, Giltrap poured the full can of paint over her head.

Giltrap also breached protection orders by poisoning his ex-partner's lawn to scupper a house sale, sending her flowers and contacting her when instructed not to.

Defence counsel Paul McMenimin argued that Giltrap's behaviour was affected by personal stress at the time of the offences.

He said his mother had died from cancer, he was caring for his father who suffers with Parkinson's disease and running a business.

He said the added effect of a broken relationship had left Giltrap in a state of emotional flux.

"His moods swung from angry to remorseful to conciliatory. When he was at his clearest he was genuinely remorseful for what he had done."
Crown prosecutor Claire Boshier disputed his claims.

"It is clear he does not respect court orders and what protection orders are here to do, which is to protect vulnerable people," she said.

She added the victim had to be scrubbed for five hours at the hospital after the attack and still suffers from dermatitis and blurred vision.

Judge Farish said that while she accepted Giltrap had been under extreme stress at the time, he had "seen the protection order as a challenge and took steps to see how you could breach it".

"I need to hold you to account for the harm you caused. The effects on your victim were profound," she said.

He was sentenced to 22 months' custody for the assault and four months for breaches of protection orders.

- NZPA

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Placebo
11-11-2009, 09:57 AM
Perhaps I need to change this thread's title to `why we love Christchurch' ;)

Placebo
11-11-2009, 11:26 AM
Care to make a call on this one Mini? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3051683/Jury-retires-in-Burton-attempted-murder-case.

For the record, Burton made a weapon from a sharpened piece of steel, stuffed papers down his clothes to protect himself and stabbed the bloke at least 3 times, including through the heart. Burton reckons he only meant to hurt the guy - he is defending an attempted murder charge.

The reason Burton is in jail is suppressed. Honestly, those crazy judges! ;)

minimoke
11-11-2009, 11:43 AM
Care to make a call on this one Mini? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3051683/Jury-retires-in-Burton-attempted-murder-case.


The reason Burton is in jail is suppressed. Honestly, those crazy judges! ;)
Guilty. Sentence = 11 years to be served concurrently.

Lawso
11-11-2009, 01:29 PM
Sex with a prostitute freely and frequently available in the back seat of a police car.
I reckon this news will do wonders for police recruitment, at least in Canterbury.

PS. Why is Cantab so quiet these days?

minimoke
12-11-2009, 11:47 AM
Perhaps I need to change this thread's title to `why we love Christchurch' ;)Or we could look at whats in the club scene in Wellington. Too much P I reckon (and how did Milly Elder get off?). Todays nomination goes to I'm not sure. Should it be some dodgy "musician" who got name supression for doing an indecent act on a 16 year old girl in a Wellington alley. I reckon he must be sucessful to have so much money for a barristor who can get permanent name supression for him. Should it be the two wellington slappers who voluntarily went down the alley with the musician to perhasp kiss his balls. (They breed them classy in Wellington!). No - I think I'll give it to the judge who allowed the permanent name supression. This 30 somthing year old is clearly keen to prey on 16 year olds and abuse his position of "celebrity". He's been caught once - whats the bet hes offended on previous occasions with no complaints and he'll offend again in the future. How is it that musicians get special status?

shasta
12-11-2009, 12:57 PM
Or we could look at whats in the club scene in Wellington. Too much P I reckon (and how did Milly Elder get off?). Todays nomination goes to I'm not sure. Should it be some dodgy "musician" who got name supression for doing an indecent act on a 16 year old girl in a Wellington alley. I reckon he must be sucessful to have so much money for a barristor who can get permanent name supression for him. Should it be the two wellington slappers who voluntarily went down the alley with the musician to perhasp kiss his balls. (They breed them classy in Wellington!). No - I think I'll give it to the judge who allowed the permanent name supression. This 30 somthing year old is clearly keen to prey on 16 year olds and abuse his position of "celebrity". He's been caught once - whats the bet hes offended on previous occasions with no complaints and he'll offend again in the future. How is it that musicians get special status?

You sure the musician isnt from Christchurch? :D

Placebo
12-11-2009, 01:03 PM
You sure the musician isnt from Christchurch? :D

Actually, he's from Auckland.

In fact, Mini, we've been into celebrating successes and all that's good about Wellington. Here's an example. Miss Hutt Valley has been found! Yes, the girls from the Hutt have a new role model. Awarded following a glitzy celebration at the Petone Workingmens Club. The evening included the obligatory swimwear and evening gown section, though in lieu of high heels the girls all wore patent leather thigh-high boots and chewed Hubba Bubba.

The winner on the night was Miss Bolton Hotel. She is very worried about the image of Hutt girls, which on behalf of my daughters I am grateful for - that's a legacy they will grow up with.

Miss Hutt Valley's prizes include a lovely crown, her own special sash, a white leather miniskirt and a silver rhinestones boob tube. Miss Halo Hair won Miss Personality, and Miss Hutt News won Charity Queen. It wasn't immediately clear who won the Miss Ridiculous Name prize, though my money was on Miss Monster Trucks.

Full story at http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/local/hutt-news/3047871/Theres-something-about-Mary/,

minimoke
12-11-2009, 01:35 PM
Actually, he's from Auckland.

In fact, Mini, we've been into celebrating successes and all that's good about Wellington. Here's an example. Miss Hutt Valley has been found!
It must have been one classy night. The Playboy Bunny Tatoo is surely a mark of sophistication that any Valley girl would be proud. (are there any without one?). And it's great to see a Receptionist still living in the Hutt - that'll help keep up the average IQ for the Valley.

minimoke
12-11-2009, 01:40 PM
You sure the musician isnt from Christchurch? :D
From what I can tell he prefers his women warm, breathing and on their knees - not the usual Cantabrian profile.

shasta
12-11-2009, 03:57 PM
From what I can tell he prefers his women warm, breathing and on their knees - not the usual Cantabrian profile.

Probably not "family" either, bugger...

For Placebo

What did the Hutt Valley girl get for her 16th birthday?

A baby :D

shasta
12-11-2009, 04:27 PM
Probably not "family" either, bugger...

For Placebo

What did the Hutt Valley girl get for her 16th birthday?

A baby :D

Unfortunately today's SOTD is from Wellington

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10608855

He should never be let out IMO

Placebo
12-11-2009, 04:49 PM
Mini u got this one right: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3056614/Burton-guilty-of-attempted-murder

Nevl
12-11-2009, 04:58 PM
Mini u got this one right: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3056614/Burton-guilty-of-attempted-murder

Maybe he could do us a favour and stay there and keep killing other prisioners for us. Lot less hassle in the long run and he wont actually get a longer sentence.

Year of the Tiger
12-11-2009, 06:28 PM
Unfortunately today's SOTD is from Wellington

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10608855

He should never be let out IMO

This guy should have his own thread. He'll probably take a break over Xmas, get working on his next 'weapon', determine who his next victim will be and I guess he'll be back in the news before too much of 2010 passes.

YOTT

minimoke
16-11-2009, 08:49 AM
Mini u got this one right: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3056614/Burton-guilty-of-attempted-murder
Always ready to make the tough calls. Got the football results right as well!

shasta
19-11-2009, 09:15 PM
Always ready to make the tough calls. Got the football results right as well!

I see we have missed a few days SOTD, but never fear, once again from the shallow end of the gene pool, we have today's SOTD.

Man who bashed war veteran jailed for eight years

The man who bashed elderly war veteran Eric Brady was sentenced to eight years and 10 months in jail at the Manukau District Court today.

Mr Brady was bashed outside the Papatoetoe RSA on February 18 this year.

The 85-year-old was badly injured in the attack suffering a jaw broken in at least two places. He also suffered very bruising about his face after the attack.

Maurangi Pere, 19, committed the attacks when he was 18-years-old.

He was also sentenced today on a raft of previous charges including aggravated robbery, burglary and unlawfully taking a motor vehicle, which were committed early this year and late last year.

Judge Charles Blackie said Pere had picked on a vulnerable victim.

"He went to fight the war to protect people like you, so that we didn't grow up and live a life under the jack boot," Judge Blackie said.

By Alanah May Eriksen (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/alanah-may-eriksen/news/headlines.cfm?a_id=344) | Email Alanah May (http://dynamic.nzherald.co.nz/feedback/author/index.cfm?a_id=344&objectid=10610335)

minimoke
20-11-2009, 07:47 AM
I see we have missed a few days SOTD, but never fear, once again from the shallow end of the gene pool, we have today's SOTD.


Thanks for that Shasta. I was going to nominate Nyree Hopa and Robert Waru for the shaking to death of their baby. They are our own "Kahui's" - their mouths have been held tighter together than Clayton Weatherstons bum and not helped police with their enquiries. Three years later and still no charges. Another pair of no-hopers - but since they were from Christchurch and I didn't want Christchurch to be hogging this thread I passed it by.

Major von Tempsky
23-11-2009, 05:30 PM
Dave Henderson (the would be anti IRD hero) for refusing to pay the poor woman plasterer who did 2 weeks work on the walls of one of his execrable businesses.

And he goes around cynically and intentionally leaving a trail of unpaid debts, not just at one point of time but on a continuing basis to honest tradesmen and suppliers. He must have set a world record by now for the number of dud companies he's created. He should be banned as a Director and from being involved in a business.

The sooner he actually gets bankrupted the better. I hope his mates the Mayor and councillors of Christchurch can finally see what a complete ratbag and shyster he is, not to mention his brother in law the owner of Hallensteins - trouble is he's probably in so deep he can't afford to leap off the merry-go-round before it crashes.

The ratbag had the cheek to stop me in the street one day and try to flog some of his shares to me. Thank God I refused point blank. Wish I could have saved the ratepayers of Chch $17million!

shasta
25-11-2009, 06:03 PM
Dave Henderson (the would be anti IRD hero) for refusing to pay the poor woman plasterer who did 2 weeks work on the walls of one of his execrable businesses.

And he goes around cynically and intentionally leaving a trail of unpaid debts, not just at one point of time but on a continuing basis to honest tradesmen and suppliers. He must have set a world record by now for the number of dud companies he's created. He should be banned as a Director and from being involved in a business.

The sooner he actually gets bankrupted the better. I hope his mates the Mayor and councillors of Christchurch can finally see what a complete ratbag and shyster he is, not to mention his brother in law the owner of Hallensteins - trouble is he's probably in so deep he can't afford to leap off the merry-go-round before it crashes.

The ratbag had the cheek to stop me in the street one day and try to flog some of his shares to me. Thank God I refused point blank. Wish I could have saved the ratepayers of Chch $17million!

Today's SOTD is a joint winner...

Girls guilty of murdering Opotiki school teacher

Two teenage girls were found guilty today of murdering retired Opotiki school teacher John Rowe by beating him repeatedly with his own walking sticks.

Courtney Churchward, 18, and Lori-lea Waiora Te Wini, 15, who had her name suppression lifted today, repeatedly beat the frail, 78-year-old man until he died on November 25 last year.

The girls then made his house look as though it had been trashed and took his wallet.

They said they only wanted to knock the man out, so they could rob him.
The jury took 4 1/2 hours to reach its verdict.

The 15-year-old had her name suppression lifted today.

Justice Geoffrey Venning thanked the jury for their work on what he said was a difficult case involving two young girls.

He offered the jury counselling.

During the trial, the court heard how Churchward and Te Wini had taken sticks from the lounge into the bedroom where they believed Mr Rower might have valuables.


Churchward said she had hit him so he would "blank out".
She said Mr Rowe appeared strong because she had not knocked him out when she struck him around the face and nose.

She flicked the bedroom light on and off and became scared when she saw blood on his face.

However, mid-way through an interview with a detective, Churchward changed her story that she acted alone.

After a break in her interview with Detective David McIntosh she told him there was something she wanted to say.

"I have been saying it was only me because I didn't think my associate should be held accountable for my actions but she was part of what I done ... she was involved with everything that took place, yeah," Churchward said.

During the trial Churchward refused to handle the walking staff she attacked Rowe with.

Upon questioning, she denied that once she had started hitting Mr Rowe she could not stop.

Churchward: "I only hit him to knock him out, not hurt him so much."
However crown prosecutor Greg Hollister-Jones said "You did that by hitting him again ... and again ... and again."

Asked if the only way she could cope with his death was to block it out, Churchward replied through tears that she would never block it out.
The pair have been remanded in custody for sentencing on December 18
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minimoke
26-11-2009, 01:06 PM
And today is another one of shame for christchurch. I'm nominating this person cos he gives every parent grounds for theri paranoia with their kids while at school or at home alone.

The Crown is to seek an indefinite prison sentence for a Christchurch labourer who today admitted sex attacks on two Christchurch schoolgirls.
Christopher Dean Matthews, 44, was due for jury trial next week but days of discussions led to his five guilty pleas at a pre-trial session before Judge Raoul Neave in Christchurch District Court this morning, the Christchurch Court News website reported.

Prosecutor Kerryn Beaton indicated she would seek an open-ended sentence of preventive detention to be imposed.

Matthews was remanded until February 19 when he will sentenced or sent to the High Court, which has the power to impose preventive detention.

The families of the two victims, aged 13 and 15, were in court to hear Matthews plead guilty.

Matthews admitted attacking the 15-year-old girl with intent to commit sexual violation, detaining her to have sexual connection, and violating her with his finger.

He admitted stupefying or rendering a 13-year-old girl unconscious two weeks after the first attack, and having unlawful sexual connection by penetration with some part of his body.

Miss Beaton said the older girl was walking to a bus stop when Matthews attacked her outside Christchurch South Intermediate School.

He grabbed her from behind, around the neck in a choker hold, and held a hand over her mouth when she screamed. He knocked out one of her teeth in the struggle.

He forced her into the school grounds and down behind some bushes, and she managed to bite one of his fingers. She asked him not to hurt her.

He told her to look away, choked her again, and violated her.

She had a swollen jaw, missing tooth, bruises, and abrasions on many parts of her body.

Blood on her smock and underpants - apparently from the bite on Matthews' finger - identified him.

When police interviewed him, he said: "Maybe your DNA's wrong. It doesn't sound right to me."

He said he had never been in the school grounds.

He went into a house and attacked the 13-year-old girl, choking her to the point of unconsciousness and then attacking her sexually. He was sweating profusely when police spoke to him soon after and he had scratches on his face.

The girl received bruising to the forehead, haemorrhages to both eyes, and bruising to the chest, upper back, and foot.

DNA identified him again.

Placebo
26-11-2009, 04:31 PM
Far be it from me to rain on Christchurch's day in the sunshine of criminal scumbaggery. But is it possible that the reason why there are so many stories about various shenanigans in the Garden City because there is a thing called Christchurch Court News, which pumps out this material? Is there more crime... or more reporting of crime?

And what has happened to the Chch Press? Has it given up on court reporting?

minimoke
26-11-2009, 04:52 PM
Far be it from me to rain on Christchurch's day in the sunshine of criminal scumbaggery. But is it possible that the reason why there are so many stories about various shenanigans in the Garden City because there is a thing called Christchurch Court News, which pumps out this material? Is there more crime... or more reporting of crime?

And what has happened to the Chch Press? Has it given up on court reporting?
The Press, like other newspapers only print stories of it can sell advertising space. I supsect that in Wellington and Auckland people are now de-sensitised to acts of violence - unless its newsworthy.

Christchurch also tends to have a better quality of crime and justice. We get the "House of Horrors", David Bain, Peter Ellis, Clayton Weatherspoon and scum like Christopher Matthews who get named - unlike those limp wristed judges in Wellington who reckon some dickhead rapper should get name suppression and its OK to knowingly drown someone. Jeez in Wellington you have to shoot innocent cyclists and get your leg blown off to make the news. As for Auckland the fact that some Maori has killed someone hardly gets a mention nowadays.

dragonz
26-11-2009, 05:20 PM
The Press, like other newspapers only print stories of it can sell advertising space. I supsect that in Wellington and Auckland people are now de-sensitised to acts of violence - unless its newsworthy.

Christchurch also tends to have a better quality of crime and justice. We get the "House of Horrors", David Bain, Peter Ellis, Clayton Weatherspoon and scum like Christopher Matthews who get named - unlike those limp wristed judges in Wellington who reckon some dickhead rapper should get name suppression and its OK to knowingly drown someone. Jeez in Wellington you have to shoot innocent cyclists and get your leg blown off to make the news. As for Auckland the fact that some Maori has killed someone hardly gets a mention nowadays.

Oh mini, you make soooo many good points then have to spoil it with this ridiculous statement. "the fact that some Maori has killed someone hardly gets a mention nowadays" Oh oh why do we always have to revert to tthe simplest denonminator. Swap the word Maori with, Uneducated, dispossed, poor or ignorant. All things which I think probaly play a bigger part in someones motivations then someones race.

minimoke
26-11-2009, 06:05 PM
Oh mini, you make soooo many good points then have to spoil it with this ridiculous statement. "the fact that some Maori has killed someone hardly gets a mention nowadays"
Sorry - that was a bit slack of me - and really quite uncalled for. I was going to be more specific and say "Some maori who has killed a child lately" - but that honour goes most recently to Wanganui not Auckland, or "some Maori who has killed an old fella" - but that of course goes to a couple of girls in Opotiki not Auckland.

Now, you'll know I'm being a tad mishevous, and this isn't the thread for such a discussion. But before we begin you should look at the crime stats of Maori vs PI both who arguably are over represented in poor education, health and income. Come back to me when you've worked out where Maori are grossly over represented compared to PI.

troyvdh
26-11-2009, 06:17 PM
...mmm...how about Air NZ....for those who have read Mahons book...their performance today has been in my opinion appalling....and when you consider that fact that even after the tragedy they went about raiding peoples houses (nat radio this afternoon)....the mind just boggles....Mr Pero has stated that already he has spent thousands....is willing to give any excess to charity (the Koro club $##!@!@@# ?::P).......and to carry a loss ?????...thanks god I live in the south island.....

dragonz
26-11-2009, 06:39 PM
Sorry - that was a bit slack of me - and really quite uncalled for. I was going to be more specific and say "Some maori who has killed a child lately" - but that honour goes most recently to Wanganui not Auckland, or "some Maori who has killed an old fella" - but that of course goes to a couple of girls in Opotiki not Auckland.

Now, you'll know I'm being a tad mishevous, and this isn't the thread for such a discussion. But before we begin you should look at the crime stats of Maori vs PI both who arguably are over represented in poor education, health and income. Come back to me when you've worked out where Maori are grossly over represented compared to PI.

No mate I know what you are saying. Actaully here is a statistic to ponder. 3 n 5 children that live below the poverty rate are non-Maori or Pacific Islander, but because they dont belong to any targeted group or they make up a realitively small group in their ethnic group, get little attention. Try telling a child that because they are White their hunger is less important then another child from an over represented minority group. Personaly I'd like to take race out of it. Tribilism is crap and holding Maori back. Im just not sure if Pakefiying them is the solution. Its a hard one and I can understand peoples inclination to label them as a group. As for the crime stats of Maori vs PI both. Simple really, positive descrimination is an evil that not only defeats its purpose but alway sends an an unheathy message to its recipants.

dragonz
26-11-2009, 06:45 PM
Sorry to rain on your parade Dragon ... and not forgiving mini for his ill considered use of maori in the the context he used it ... but even adjusting for being "uneducated, dispossed, poor or ignorant" maori still commit more violent crimes than other groups who are similarily "uneducated, dispossed, poor or ignorant". And unfortunately, far more crimes against children than other similarily "uneducated, dispossed, poor or ignorant" groups.

How can we explain that?

Well, heres a thought: When you have beligerent, aggressive, unapologetic, racist, bigoted clown's with huge chips on their shoulder like Hone who get away with verbal violence against the majority of NZ'ers as roll models, not to mention gangs like the HH and MM, I guess its inevitable.

The racist farce of maori seats must end the "special people" status.

If we get that huge chip of many maoris shoulders then maybe we'll see them standing tall.

I live in hope ...

No rain on my parade Belg - just offering my humble opinion. I'll leave the parades up to you :D

dragonz
26-11-2009, 07:14 PM
Oh mini, you make soooo many good points then have to spoil it with this ridiculous statement. "the fact that some Maori has killed someone hardly gets a mention nowadays" Oh oh why do we always have to revert to tthe simplest denonminator. Swap the word Maori with, Uneducated, dispossed, poor or ignorant. All things which I think probaly play a bigger part in someones motivations then someones race.

Actaully mate I take this back. Sorta hypricatical of me to say that Hone has a right to say what he did and you dont. I sorta take things a bit personal sometimes when talking about my Maori brothers. But actually I dont dissagree with a lot that you say. Its hard coming from a land of multible greys to see the black and white:D

minimoke
26-11-2009, 08:18 PM
Actaully mate I take this back. Sorta hypricatical of me to say that Hone has a right to say what he did and you dont. I sorta take things a bit personal sometimes when talking about my Maori brothers. But actually I dont dissagree with a lot that you say. Its hard coming from a land of multible greys to see the black and white:D
I would hope you would always defend my right to express a view - but there is no obligation for you to agree with it. The onus will rest with me to prove my point.

Remind me one day to take you up on your view on poverty - but I'll leave you with this thought. "Poverty" is a mythical state apologists like to categorise certain people under. There is no reason at all for children to go hungry in NZ. Its not because they are under some made up "poverty" line - its because they have crap parents.

dragonz
26-11-2009, 08:46 PM
I would hope you would always defend my right to express a view - but there is no obligation for you to agree with it. The onus will rest with me to prove my point.

Remind me one day to take you up on your view on poverty - but I'll leave you with this thought. "Poverty" is a mythical state apologists like to categorise certain people under. There is no reason at all for children to go hungry in NZ. Its not because they are under some made up "poverty" line - its because they have crap parents.

Amend to that and precisly. Crap parents is the reason in this country, no more or no less. Doesnt help the poor children though

dragonz
26-11-2009, 09:04 PM
Always going to be people at the top and the bottom:(. Shall we compare how tough kids have it in NZ compared to kids in Ethiopia:confused:. Or maybe life in the last 100 years compared to previous million years:confused:. Im not knocking you guys, we live in the concrete jungle:eek:, dont have to worry about being mauled by a tiger, just unlucky if your parent is a P f..khead:mad:

More words of wistom from karlos. Abused children is abused children regarless off wether your in Ethiopia. What I like to think about NZ is that we can create an enviroment that regardless of ones socioeconomic background, has the ability to succend based on their hard work and atitude. Something I think we all need to work hard to protect. Keeping in mind that we may vary in our opinions to create that enviroment.

shasta
26-11-2009, 10:00 PM
Or to add more, if we all start off even, 100 yrs from now, are we still even:confused:, NO dragonz, some off us turn out to be sh.theads, some are leaders, you can not fight nature.

In a 100 years Global Warming would have melted every iceberg & we'll all be 5m under water :D

dragonz
26-11-2009, 10:15 PM
Or to add more, if we all start off even, 100 yrs from now, are we still even:confused:, NO dragonz, some off us turn out to be sh.theads, some are leaders, you can not fight nature.

Well karlos, you are a sharetrader so you'll understand my next point. Will we have primitive ****heads in 100 years? absolutely, you cant change the slow process of evolution regardless of our analitical brains. Will we continue to evolve as a global, democratic, political species. Yep, Personally I think that Capitilizm with a social conscience is something that we are working on at the moment. We have some Idegionous and religious barriars at the moment. And of course the individual instinct that we what to knock someones head when they disagree with us. But as a species we are doing quite well.

dragonz
26-11-2009, 10:21 PM
dragonz, not sure if you are trying to be a smarty pants or not, the sad fact is kids are going to get abused. I had a run in years ago with a work associate who had vicious dogs(in his mind may have been tame), I said "what if a kids ball bounced into your section and he jumped in there to get the ball?", yeah, stalled look on his face and no reply. Unfortunately there are dumbf..ks among us. Yes dragonz, words of wisdom from Karlos

Understand where your coming from. I've worked hard and dont have to worry about neiybours because I own my surronding sections. As to the vicious dogs and kids, well I own 3 kids and would have just shoot the dogs. No debate with the neiybour. Shoot the mongrels and eliminated that problem. Simple really

dragonz
26-11-2009, 10:36 PM
Agree dragonz, best of times we live in now, will only get better,--- sh.t mate, these days we have anasthesiacs for pane relief:D, son of a b.tch if you were born 50 to millions of years ago, even better if you live in Hamilton, best city in NZ:D

Mate if you where born 50 million years ago your fins will be dragging across the earth. Thats not to say that today your average NZer is still dragging his nuckles across this earth

Placebo
27-11-2009, 02:50 PM
Lawyers are a pretty soft target - but given the tone of some comments on here over the months, they are a suitable nomination. Particularly in the light of Dame Margaret Bazley's report: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10612004.

Corrupt and incompentent lawyers - who'da thought??

evilroyrule
27-11-2009, 09:21 PM
you knw neville/skol, for a couple of smart guys you sure rush the point. i wld have thought that every profession struggles with rogues within it, and to suggest that alone justifys the abolition of lawyers/the legal system?????

Nevl
27-11-2009, 09:44 PM
you knw neville/skol, for a couple of smart guys you sure rush the point. i wld have thought that every profession struggles with rogues within it, and to suggest that alone justifys the abolition of lawyers/the legal system?????

Nah this report was just the final official piece of proof. The system has being rotten for a long time. From dragging out custody battles to divorce settlements on legal aid to appeals based on nothing more than the Lawyers want a big payout. Clayton Weatherston comes to mind but Anton Dickson and the Nia Glassie killers are all appealing their verdicts and sentences.

There is no reason for any of these appeals and they are just to make sure lawyers get paid. I was on a Jury last year and was amazed at the waste and blatent disregard for justice shown by those who are supposed to defending it in our name. The system is screwed. Talk to any Policeman or prosecutor.

Needs a huge shakeup. Hopefully this is it as Both the Simons in Nat have being looking for this and Act will support so no stalling from the Maori party to protect their mates.

Year of the Tiger
27-11-2009, 10:06 PM
Clayton Weatherston comes to mind but Anton Dickson and the Nia Glassie killers are all appealing their verdicts and sentences.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/1391306

I can't see an appeal helping this guy.

YOTT

Nevl
27-11-2009, 10:39 PM
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/1391306

I can't see an appeal helping this guy.

YOTT

Sorry I knew that, and the sentence should have said he was appealing before he died. Saved us a fortune!!! Still I think it illustrates my point. Futher good news today was that Taffey Hotene died.

shasta
29-11-2009, 02:02 AM
Or we could look at whats in the club scene in Wellington. Too much P I reckon (and how did Milly Elder get off?). Todays nomination goes to I'm not sure. Should it be some dodgy "musician" who got name supression for doing an indecent act on a 16 year old girl in a Wellington alley. I reckon he must be sucessful to have so much money for a barristor who can get permanent name supression for him. Should it be the two wellington slappers who voluntarily went down the alley with the musician to perhasp kiss his balls. (They breed them classy in Wellington!). No - I think I'll give it to the judge who allowed the permanent name supression. This 30 somthing year old is clearly keen to prey on 16 year olds and abuse his position of "celebrity". He's been caught once - whats the bet hes offended on previous occasions with no complaints and he'll offend again in the future. How is it that musicians get special status?

Too much P & too much money, thats the problem ;)

Year of the Tiger
29-11-2009, 03:49 PM
I think the problem with some of these "stars" is that they are legends in their own minds to a great degree.

Ok, now I know this guy (whoever he is - ;)) has probably done a fair bit in the industry here but I decided to ask a few random people if they had ever heard of this person. Believe me there are a lot of kiwis who have never heard of the guy so unless you are one of those who is in the right (music) age group and really up on the current music industry, his name would just draw a blank stare.

And I wonder how much his lawyer got paid for getting him name suppression. Name suppression in this country is a joke!

YOTT

Nevl
30-11-2009, 10:59 AM
I think the problem with some of these "stars" is that they are legends in their own minds to a great degree.

Ok, now I know this guy (whoever he is - ;)) has probably done a fair bit in the industry here but I decided to ask a few random people if they had ever heard of this person. Believe me there are a lot of kiwis who have never heard of the guy so unless you are one of those who is in the right (music) age group and really up on the current music industry, his name would just draw a blank stare.

And I wonder how much his lawyer got paid for getting him name suppression. Name suppression in this country is a joke!

YOTT

It interesting that both his "money" making name and his real name have both being suppressed. So in effect he has gained a double name suppression which seems pretty kind. Surely assumed names which are technically not real or legal should be covered by law.

shasta
03-12-2009, 01:17 PM
It interesting that both his "money" making name and his real name have both being suppressed. So in effect he has gained a double name suppression which seems pretty kind. Surely assumed names which are technically not real or legal should be covered by law.

Not too much doubt over today's SOTD :mad:

When a judge has to proclaim the defendants "remorse" you know it's not sincere or genuine!

Downey murderer jailed for at least 13 years

The killer of cat protection worker Kerry Leigh Downey is so violent and unpredictable that it may never be safe to release him from his life sentence for murder.

That was the view of the probation officer who reported on Ashley Donald Peach before his sentencing in the High Court at Christchurch today.

The view was repeated by Justice Graham Panckhurst when he imposed a 13-year minimum non-parole term on the 42-year-old for the murder of Ms Downey.

He said there was a misconception that the 13-year term was the sentence, but it was actually the minimum period before the Parole Board could assess risk and consider possible release.

The probation officer wrote: "It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that Mr Peach has shown himself to be unpredictable and capable of extreme violence and having little or no capacity for change.

It may never be safe to release him back into the community."

Miss Downey, aged 52, was apparently attacked, bound, and strangled to death at Peach's flat in Upper Riccarton when she went there at his request to pick up an unwanted cat.

Justice Panckhurst said he was in little doubt that the attack was sexually motivated, having described two "intimate injuries" on Miss Downey's body. Peach had made only partial admissions to the police and the psychiatrist who interviewed him.

A spokesman for the family said outside the court house that they were "bitterly disappointed" at the short non-parole term.

The fact that there had been no trial had hidden the true horror of Peach's crime which would have shown him as a remorseless killer.

They thanked the police for their tireless work on the case.

Four family members - Miss Downey's father, two sisters, and brother - read their victim impact statements at the sentencing, describing her as an intelligent, gentle, kind, caring, compassionate woman.

They were horrified by the thought that she had suffered a "torturous", painful death at the hands of Peach, who they described as a callous, cowardly, low-life.

The effect of her murder was devastating, they said, speaking of their horror at her body being dumped "like a bag of rubbish" down a bank at the hill suburb of Westmorland.

Defence counsel Pip Hall said Peach had expressed remorse in a letter to the judge.

He was seen as having diminished intellectual capacity or mental impairment. He was illiterate with a borderline IQ of 77.

He had lived most of his life in institutions and had been sexually abused as a young boy.

He was intellectually and socially impaired and was isolated and frustrated at the time of the murder.
http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/A_250808KerryDowney_140x93.jpg (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10607659) Man admits Downey murder (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10607659)

The psychiatrist wrote: "It appears he wasn't able to emotionally cope with the circumstances that faced him at the time of the offending and the victim became a tragic focus of Mr Peach's emotional disintegration."

Crown prosecutor Pip Currie said Peach had previous convictions for sexual offending, violence, and the theft of women's underwear.

It was the kind of record that set alarm bells ringing for the protection of women in the community.

The crown was sceptical about the remorse expressed in his letter to the judge, which expressed no emotion.

Justice Panckhurst said Miss Downey had been described as virtuous, gentle, demure, generous, feminine, intelligent, vulnerable and trusting. Those factors also explained why she came into contact with Peach.

He had no doubt of Peach's disadvantaged upbringing and intellectual impairments. But many people in the community suffered from difficulties.

Peach was seen as isolated and socially inept, but the psychiatrist assessed him as a person who was accountable for his actions in spite of his limitations.

Peach's mother left the Court House later, pushed in a wheelchair and with a scarf covering her face from the waiting reporters.

- NZPA

craic
04-12-2009, 10:05 AM
Fact is that few in his category are released at the served date. Comments that he may serve a lot longer are true and he could be quite old by the time that they decide that he is safe.

sorry, I wrote the above as a retired probation officer, without actually reading the above piece!

Ponda
04-12-2009, 11:34 AM
Whats this? Another one from Christchurch!!!

From todays Hearld.

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An 86-year-old woman is expected to spend "a number of days" in hospital after being mugged in Christchurch's Barrington Mall last night.

The pensioner was about to get into her car after buying milk when a man grabbed her handbag from behind, said Detective Sergeant Ross Tarawhiti.

She tried to hang on to the bag but was thrown to the ground by the force of the man ripping it away from her.

The man then jumped the mall's boundary fence and ran across the Barrington Park and into an alleyway leading into Sugden St.

Witnesses in a nearby car chased the man but lost him as he left the park.

The woman suffered cuts to her head, a fractured pelvis, and numerous bruises.

Mr Tarawhiti said she was "very traumatised" and expected to be in hospital for a number of days.

The attacker was described as Maori, aged 20-30, very slim, about 1.88m tall, with long black or brown shoulder-length hair.

He was wearing a grey sweatshirt, blue pants - possibly jeans - and white trainers.

shasta
06-12-2009, 02:46 PM
Whats this? Another one from Christchurch!!!

From todays Hearld.

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An 86-year-old woman is expected to spend "a number of days" in hospital after being mugged in Christchurch's Barrington Mall last night.

The pensioner was about to get into her car after buying milk when a man grabbed her handbag from behind, said Detective Sergeant Ross Tarawhiti.

She tried to hang on to the bag but was thrown to the ground by the force of the man ripping it away from her.

The man then jumped the mall's boundary fence and ran across the Barrington Park and into an alleyway leading into Sugden St.

Witnesses in a nearby car chased the man but lost him as he left the park.

The woman suffered cuts to her head, a fractured pelvis, and numerous bruises.

Mr Tarawhiti said she was "very traumatised" and expected to be in hospital for a number of days.

The attacker was described as Maori, aged 20-30, very slim, about 1.88m tall, with long black or brown shoulder-length hair.

He was wearing a grey sweatshirt, blue pants - possibly jeans - and white trainers.

Today's entrance from the shallow end of the gene pool, a real scumbag.

No wonder we need to privatise prisons, a classic example of why the status quo isn't working.

Fraudster managed stash from jail

The biggest benefit fraudster in New Zealand history manipulated a web of offshore accounts from prison in a bid to hide the $3.4 million he stole from taxpayers.

Wayne Thomas Patterson planned to stop stealing when he had stashed $10 million and use the money to buy a berth on mega cruise liner, The World.

The scam was exposed by the Herald on Sunday in 2006, but new details are revealed in an Inside New Zealand documentary, Catching The King of Benefit Cheats, which screens this week.

It tells the inside story of the hunt for Patterson, who is serving an eight-year prison sentence for using 123 false identities to claim benefits.

The 50-year-old was raking in $54,000 a fortnight in benefits - mainly pensions he gained by disguising himself as an elderly man and fooling benefit staff across the country.

Patterson was convicted of large benefit frauds in Australia and the United States, before returning to New Zealand to carry out his biggest criminal operation.

The Herald on Sunday broke the story in November 2006, revealing how police found more than $1m in cash and gold bars in his home in Massey, Auckland.

We also told how he spent $50,000 creating an elaborate tropical garden behind the rented terraced flat - and buried his loot beneath it.

The documentary team was allowed extensive access to Ministry of Social Development staff, revealing the pressure its most senior civil servants were under to catch Patterson and recover the money.

The fraud was exposed after a KiwiBank staff member noticed a number of accounts held by pensioners were being accessed by the same internet connection.

Once Patterson was arrested, the ministry was left to track his investments through secret bank accounts in Austria, Panama, the Seychelles and Switzerland.

It emerged he had opened the accounts in the name of companies set up with the help of Maritime International, an international banking specialist in Thailand.

The international company specialises in setting up offshore companies, trusts and helping those with new-found wealth deal with their sudden change in fortunes.

Maritime International's wealth management director Loura Mouck confirmed she received emails and phone calls from Patterson during the time he was in prison.

She said she was "disturbed" by the ease with which he could contact her.

The initial contact came in April 2006 - seven months before Patterson was caught - through the company website.

He initially wanted one company, then set up two more with Maritime International named as the company director of each.

Mouck was aware of a fourth company in Panama he had set up separately.

She said the company asked for a copy of his passport and proof of where he lived before setting up the companies.

He was also checked through an international database meant to flag criminals.

In an email to the Herald on Sunday, Mouck said Patterson "deposited funds into the accounts personally, via wire transfers ... from New Zealand bank accounts".

The company was alerted to his arrest in November 2006, prompting Maritime International to resign its directorships.

But between March and May 2007, the company had a stream of contacts from Patterson by email, letter and phone as he tried to rearrange the company structures.

The changes would have allowed another person to take control over the finances the Ministry of Social Development was trying to recover.

"I was very disturbed by this communication," said Mouck. "I could not understand how I was receiving letters, emails and calls if Mr Patterson was ...in prison."

Mouck initially emailed state officials to ask if Patterson had been sentenced, then later contacted the New Zealand investigator handling the case to alert the ministry to his efforts.

Ministry risk manager Marc Warner told Inside New Zealand: "We thought he was safely ensconced in prison but that turned out not to be the case."

Warner said Patterson's status meant getting cellphones and smuggling out letters was easy.

As a major fraudster who still had more than $1m of taxpayers' money, "there wouldn't be any shortage of friends inside prison".

Warner said documents found in Patterson's home showed a plan to stop stealing when he got to $10m.

Patterson confirmed he had four offshore accounts and said he wanted to set up a fifth, with a target of $2m stolen for each.

There was no indication of how Patterson intended to spend his money, other than buying a berth on The World.

"He clearly wanted to be rich," said Warner.

"I think the money was an important part, but also the success. He enjoyed taking on the system."

The Inside New Zealand documentary also reveals that Patterson escaped from prison earlier this year.

Taupo police confirmed he slipped out of a holding cell while officers were occupied with another prisoner.

Patterson was recaptured at a lawn bowls club within minutes.

The Herald on Sunday has established $1.1m of Patterson's money is still to be recovered.

The fraudster invested in gold, Apple shares and other stocks that gained value - making the taxpayer a profit.

The remaining money is still in Austrian bank accounts. If the ministry recovers it, the profit will be about $900,000.

* Patterson's loot
In New Zealand - recovered:
Car and home contents: $13,600
31kg gold - $1.1 million
Cash - $1.1m
In Austria - frozen: $1.1m
In Switzerland - recovered: $1.1m
TOTAL $4.4m

Wayne Patterson stole $3.4 million then invested some of the money in gold and shares.

By the time the Ministry of Social Development recovered or froze the funds, they had grown.

Investments included shares in Apple before the launch of the iPhone - they went from US$75 a share to US$160 a share.

Gold also rose in value - it was worth US$400 an ounce when he bought it and US$600 an ounce when sold.

* Inside New Zealand: Catching The King of Benefit Cheats, Wednesday, 9.30pm, TV3.

- HERALD ON SUNDAY

Placebo
07-12-2009, 11:41 AM
Sounds like this bloke could give a few lessons on investing!

777
15-12-2009, 12:10 PM
So why will this guy and his wife not be deported at the end of their sentences?

Copied from stuff.co.nz

A South Auckland man who starved, bashed and finally killed his 11-week-old daughter will serve at least 17 years in jail.

Azees Mahomed, 31, was today sentenced to life imprisonment for the brutal murder of his daughter Tahani Mahomed.

Justice Rhys Harrison told Azees Mahomed the murder of his daughter had been a "cowardly" and "callous" killing.

Baby Tahani died in Auckland's Starship Hospital on New Years Day, 2008, after she arrived at Middlemore Hospital on December 28, 2007, with severe head injuries.

"She lived, I regret to say, a brief and grossly abused life," Justice Harrison told the Auckland High Court.

Azees Mahomed was also found guilty of two charges of grievous bodily harm - which relate to breaking his daughter's leg and giving her a head injury so severe it caused brain damage between October 7 and December 26, 2007 - and one count of failing to provide the necessaries of life.

He was sentenced to five years in jail for each of these charges.

All will be served concurrently.

His wife Tabbasum Mahomed, 26, was found guilty of one charge of failing to provide the necessaries of life.

Justice Harrison called her offending at the "worst end of the scale".

"It is inconceivable to me as a parent and a member of the community that a loving and responsible mother would leave a defenceless baby critically ill and unattended for many hours.

"I observed you consistently throughout the trial, you showed no emotion whatsoever when listening to the distressing details of your daughter's death.

She was sentenced to four years imprisonment.

Crown prosecutor Philip Hamlin said the South African-born couple had treated their young daughter with systematic neglect and violence.

"This child has clearly suffered at the hands of her father, she had significant head injuries and significant injuries to her leg prior to the fatal injury."

In the 11 short weeks of Baby Tahani's life she would have been in "exquisite pain", Mr Hamlin said.

She had been left alone in a hot car, neglected, starved and had received several brain injuries, the court was told.

Azees Mohamed had also pulled the baby's left leg so hard it broke her shin bone.

The doctor who examined Tahani when she arrived at Middlemore Hospital described her as severely "malnourished", estimating her weight to be only 4 kilograms.

Azees Mahomed's lawyer Melinda Mason said her client's capacity to be a parent was compromised by his low IQ.

He had an IQ of 70 - 73 which put him in the lowest 3 - 4 percent of people his age, Ms Mason said.

This would have diminished his ability for practical reasoning and social judgement, the court was told.

Tabassum's lawyer, Paul Borich, said his client was not responsible for her daughter's injuries.

His client was remorseful about her daughter's death and her failure to get her immediate medical help, Mr Borich said.

dartMonkey
16-12-2009, 10:28 AM
Perhaps not in the same league as others here but the Judge's action in fining this courageous woman was reprehensible nevertheless.
She should be encouraged imho.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10615822

minimoke
16-12-2009, 11:19 AM
Compared with the Wendy-May Connan who smoked dope, put the kids in the back of the car without proper booster seats and only a lap belt, hit speeds over 200kph, couldn't take a gentle bend at 140kph on a nice day and, (unsurprisingly she'd been reported for speeding a few weeks earlier), lost control causing her 4 year old to tossed some 65- 85m from the car.

Time for Justice Williams to bring out the wet bus ticket yesterday. Whack six months community detention for you; backslap with 2 years drug counselling; 200 hours community sentence (how many of those will she do) and 2 years disqualification.

The value of childrens lives is pretty low.
Well heres a surprise. Poor Wendy has just been done for posession of cannabis in her home one month after this pathetic sentence. Now the limp wristed High Court in Wellington are letting her move home to Herataunga to hang out with a person who has had drug problems in the past. Justice Ron Young is giving her another chance - f**k me - how many chances do scumbags get in Wellington.

RazorX
16-12-2009, 03:15 PM
Well heres a surprise. Poor Wendy has just been done for posession of cannabis in her home one month after this pathetic sentence. Now the limp wristed High Court in Wellington are letting her move home to Herataunga to hang out with a person who has had drug problems in the past. Justice Ron Young is giving her another chance - f**k me - how many chances do scumbags get in Wellington.

This is New Zealand - what do you expect?


He had an IQ of 70 - 73 which put him in the lowest 3 - 4 percent of people his age, Ms Mason said.This would have diminished his ability for practical reasoning and social judgement, the court was told. Tabassum's lawyer, Paul Borich, said his client was not responsible for her daughter's injuries. His client was remorseful about her daughter's death and her failure to get her immediate medical help, Mr Borich said.

This piece of crap obviously had enough IQ to know how to reproduce. These lawyers claiming insanity and low IQ for murderers should be charged as criminals themselves.

Once again - this is New Zealand.

Nevl
16-12-2009, 06:31 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6958039.ece

Interesting parallels with the Emery case.

blackcap
16-12-2009, 08:17 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6958039.ece

Interesting parallels with the Emery case.

Great article thanks Nevl. Makes interesting reading and confirms what I have long thought.

fungus pudding
17-12-2009, 09:07 AM
Totally agree! ;) can't find a picture of her tho'. Shame. Or maybe not?

This is her. Those southerm women are ......well .......er...manly!



http://i45.tinypic.com/29lcmx1.jpg

Nevl
17-12-2009, 10:53 AM
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10615980

Why DNA testing should be mandatory for all!! Could have saved 8 years of pain for the family.

dartMonkey
17-12-2009, 03:25 PM
Totally agree! ;) can't find a picture of her tho'. Shame. Or maybe not?
Better than that here's a vid :)
not as much as the drivers saw tho' :(
http://www.3news.co.nz/Woman-flashes-gets-hit-by-car/tabid/309/articleID/134386/Default.aspx

craic
21-12-2009, 10:37 PM
Has to be the bastard who stole $900 from the Salvation Army at this time of year?

blockhead
22-12-2009, 08:49 AM
Keep paying your taxes boys and girls, this poor family needs over a $1,000 a week to maintain their lifestyle, very worthy scumbag nominees I say

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3184336/Couple-on-benefits-since-1984

RazorX
22-12-2009, 10:11 AM
I second that blockhead.

In New Zealand we have good families struggling to make ends meet, but not getting any benefit, and here this family with several properties gets large benefits. ($1000 a week? Heck I'd be really happy if I earned that a week.) Of course we have to pay them that because the Mr is addicted to drugs. You know what the answer is folks? :) Lets all become druggies and get $1000 a week for the 'stress' of it lol

Placebo
22-12-2009, 11:59 AM
This is the "Harris Gang". Christchurch's arch-scumbags (now there's a claim to fame!). Darryl Harris is one of the patriarchs. Back in the late 90s they were going head to head with a bunch of Chch skinheads and causing all manner of mayhem. They were one of the first gangs prosecuted under anti-gang laws in 1998 that prevented the three brothers associating with each other.

I am sure that, as well as milking the public purse, we can guess where their money for large houses with security cameras, and late-model Chrysler 300C vehicles comes from ...

Kees
22-12-2009, 12:42 PM
he also won lotto a few years back,

STRAT
22-12-2009, 02:44 PM
Has to be the bastard who stole $900 from the Salvation Army at this time of year?I will wager its someone who has taken handouts from them in the past ;):rolleyes:

blockhead
22-12-2009, 03:00 PM
he also won lotto a few years back,

You could be right there or maybe you are thinking of Rodney Wayne Innes from Timaru, no need to ask how I know his full name, it was frequently in the local rag.

Think he has blown it all and is back to scratch again.

Kees
22-12-2009, 03:22 PM
no it was him he bought a house up on westmoreland and exited the neigbours for a while.

STRAT
22-12-2009, 04:01 PM
Perhaps not in the same league as others here but the Judge's action in fining this courageous woman was reprehensible nevertheless.
She should be encouraged imho.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10615822LOL one thing is for sure the driver should loose his licence. If thats all it takes to distract him from steering in a strait line he clearly has no business being in charge of a vehical. Im a fair bloke though. Id give him a choice. Loose the licence or loose the nuts that control his very small brain

Steve
22-12-2009, 06:00 PM
If thats all it takes to distract him from steering in a strait line he clearly has no business being in charge of a vehical.

Hang on, how do you know that it wasn't a worthy distraction for him?!

STRAT
22-12-2009, 06:50 PM
Hang on, how do you know that it wasn't a worthy distraction for him?!Come on Steve. I could look at the girl, answer my phone, eat my lunch and handle a power slide all at the same time let alone drive in a strait line. Cant everyone with more than half a brain? :D

Perhaps he got something stuck between the spokes of the steering wheel. Understandable I guess

or perhaps he was trying to mount her but forgot he was still in his car. Off with the nuts and the licence if thats the case. :D

Steve
24-12-2009, 01:16 PM
Come on Steve. I could look at the girl, answer my phone, eat my lunch and handle a power slide all at the same time let alone drive in a strait line. Cant everyone with more than half a brain? :D

Perhaps he got something stuck between the spokes of the steering wheel. Understandable I guess

or perhaps he was trying to mount her but forgot he was still in his car. Off with the nuts and the licence if thats the case. :D

Good on ya, Strat! ;):D

Nevl
30-12-2009, 07:35 PM
and the winner for the year is??

My vote- Clayton Weatherstone followed by the Nia Glassie Killers.

Dr_Who
19-01-2010, 04:50 PM
Three cheers for the Nat and Act. :)

Three strikes policy announced

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3242717/Three-strikes-policy-announced

Steve
19-01-2010, 07:18 PM
Three cheers for the Nat and Act. :)

Three strikes policy announced

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3242717/Three-strikes-policy-announced

This is where we will miss Hiawatha's contribution to the discussion... :rolleyes:

Nevl
19-01-2010, 09:41 PM
This is where we will miss Hiawatha's contribution to the discussion... :rolleyes:

yes I will miss his usual rant about how violent morons should be helped and encouraged to do more violence. Maybe Tom Hall could fill in for a while.

The 3 strikes should have applied to all crimes that get more than 12months sentence. The 5 year rule makes its pretty useless. Better than nothing I guess but still needs more teeth to be effective. 3 strikes do work but only if you apply it properly.

shasta
19-01-2010, 10:25 PM
yes I will miss his usual rant about how violent morons should be helped and encouraged to do more violence. Maybe Tom Hall could fill in for a while.

The 3 strikes should have applied to all crimes that get more than 12months sentence. The 5 year rule makes its pretty useless. Better than nothing I guess but still needs more teeth to be effective. 3 strikes do work but only if you apply it properly.

As an ACT supporter the only problem with this legislation is that it still doesn't go far enough, i mean 3 strikes for serious offenses?

I accept people are allowed a 2nd chance in life, but a 3rd chance?

If someone hasn't learnt the first time, what chances are there that they will the 2nd time?

Should be after 2 serious offenses ANY 3rd offense & the key gets thrown away!

This is where parole for the 2nd offense comes in, u stuff up again, thats your lot

Year of the Tiger
20-01-2010, 08:24 AM
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/6697615/three-strikes-a-token-effort-to-save-face/

Three strikes "a token effort to save face"

Newstalk ZB January 20, 2010, 5:31 am

Labour leader Phil Goff says the 'three strikes' policy is just a token effort to allow the government to save face.
The legislation which National and Act have agreed to, will allow judges to impose the maximum sentence for the crime when an offender is convicted of a third serious offence. Some killers will be imprisoned without any chance of release. Parole will not be granted for a prisoner whose is convicted for a second or third offence.
However Mr Goff says the legislation will result in only 12 people a year being locked up, when the current prison population is 8,500.
"People that are serious repeat offenders deserve high penalties but this policy won't make any difference."
Mr Goff says it is simply a gimmick that falls well short of National's election promise.
The Maori Party says the policy puts a narrow focus on crime and punishment and leaves justice out of the picture.
Co-leader Pita Sharples says overseas three strike laws actually increase the risk of violence towards police and victims. He says the government's policy is punitive and populist and will not not bring about the long term change which is needed.
"These proposals will create huge disparities in sentencing, and punishment that is completely out of proportion to the crime. They attack the foundations of justice, where judges make decisions based on the facts of the case. Judicial discretion is overruled by political dogma."
Dr Sharples believes the loss of parole means prisoners will have less incentive to change their ways and there is no hold over them after their release. He describes the proposal as irrational and extreme.

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Offences Covered Include:
Murder, manslaughter
Rape
Aggravated burglary
Robbery
Aggravated injury

For heaven's sake, how many chances should we give the crims who commit these crimes??????

Goff reckons it will result in only 12 people a year who will be locked up. To me, that is:
- 12 less people a year who can get out on the streets to rein terror on the population.
- 12 (at least) less victims a year who will be murdered, raped, attacked and have their lives turned upside down
- 12 less families who have to suffer the heartbreak of watching their loved ones endure a personal hell
- 12 less cases of wasteful use of taxpayer money for legal aid
- 12 less court cases allocating court time to no-hopers

Can someone tell me, what are the chances of a three-striker ever being rehabilitated and returning to society fully reformed?

Or is the general population expected to just carry on with their lives and hope that they never become cannon-fodder for these crims?

YOTT

craic
20-01-2010, 08:58 AM
We import lots and lots of stuff from China - let's import something worthwhile. Every so often the Chinese take a truckload of their worst recidivists out to a paddock somewhere and pass a lump of lead through their skulls. I believe that they then harvest any useful bits to save the lives of less fortunate people. Why are we so far up ourselves that we cannot countenance such a fine solution? To those of you who don't know me, I am a retired probation officer with thirty years experience of close contact with the criminal fraternity and I no longer believe in fairies.

blackcap
20-01-2010, 09:29 AM
We import lots and lots of stuff from China - let's import something worthwhile. Every so often the Chinese take a truckload of their worst recidivists out to a paddock somewhere and pass a lump of lead through their skulls. I believe that they then harvest any useful bits to save the lives of less fortunate people. Why are we so far up ourselves that we cannot countenance such a fine solution? To those of you who don't know me, I am a retired probation officer with thirty years experience of close contact with the criminal fraternity and I no longer believe in fairies.

Im with you on that one Craic. As an old flatmate of mine from SA used to say.. If they are not going to make a positive contribution to society why have them at all.....

Ponda
20-01-2010, 11:12 AM
It will be interesting to read the full proposal.
1) Does it include Misuse of Drugs Act, Land Transport Act, Arms Act etc, many of the punishments in those three Acts have terms of imprisonment of over 5 years.
2) Does it only include sentences recieved of over five years. i.e offender gets convicted of burglary (max 10 years imprisonment (I think)) but gets sentanced to two years is that one strike.
3) Can the offender be convicted from the differant Acts or does s/he have to have three strikes per Act.
4) Where does the scenario fit in this action packed case. Dude or Dudette Commits an Aggravated Robbery (Crimes Act) with a firearm, Police pursuit (multiple driving offences Land Transport Act) ends up at a house with a functioning P Lab (MODA). There will be at least three offences within that rampage that will qualify for the five year imprisonment trigger.

YOTT's list below has Crimes Act offences, but will be interesting to see if the other acts are covered also.

Anyways,

Just my ponderings


http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/6697615/three-strikes-a-token-effort-to-save-face/


Offences Covered Include:
Murder, manslaughter
Rape
Aggravated burglary
Robbery
Aggravated injury


YOTT

Year of the Tiger
20-01-2010, 11:30 AM
It will be interesting to read the full proposal.
1) Does it include Misuse of Drugs Act, Land Transport Act, Arms Act etc, many of the punishments in those three Acts have terms of imprisonment of over 5 years.
2) Does it only include sentences recieved of over five years. i.e offender gets convicted of burglary (max 10 years imprisonment (I think)) but gets sentanced to two years is that one strike.
3) Can the offender be convicted from the differant Acts or does s/he have to have three strikes per Act.
4) Where does the scenario fit in this action packed case. Dude or Dudette Commits an Aggravated Robbery (Crimes Act) with a firearm, Police pursuit (multiple driving offences Land Transport Act) ends up at a house with a functioning P Lab (MODA). There will be at least three offences within that rampage that will qualify for the five year imprisonment trigger.

YOTT's list below has Crimes Act offences, but will be interesting to see if the other acts are covered also.

Anyways,

Just my ponderings

In this morning's Herald, there was a comment under the list of Offences, saying *Drug offences to not qualify.

Here is the latest update from the Herald.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10621211

YOTT

minimoke
20-01-2010, 02:41 PM
We import lots and lots of stuff from China - let's import something worthwhile.
Don't we have Free Trade Agreement with China? Seems we are happy to accept their citizens who are then free to commit crime here (like Pumpkins dad) so why don't we, in exchange, just trade our top crims off to China. The Sanlu incident is a clear indication that our crims would get the best of treatment over there. The Chinese could then harvest the body parts as they like - perhaps even before the lead was delivered. No matter how desperate we are we probably wouldn't want the drug and alcohol ravaged bodies of our ex-crims.

HarryFlashman
26-01-2010, 11:05 AM
Maori party opposed to tougher sentencing - quelle surprise.

Only 26th Jan and so many scumbags already - how about this one?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10621424

Guesses on ethnicity anyone? A relative was on the news last night making excuses for this low life. He's really a good boy who loves his mum.

Cheers
Harry

brettdale
26-01-2010, 05:59 PM
Crimionals always have excuses.

Placebo
27-01-2010, 10:20 AM
Was great to finally see the Graeme Burton story - as told by psychologist Nigel Latta - on the telly last night. Here was a bloke from the Hutt raised by a caring, loving adoptive mother with high standards and expectations - but went off the rails nevertheless despite the efforts of those around him.

He was a bad one from the start. Interestingly it didn't touch on his gang affiliations, which the sensible sentencing trust says he has.

quite a different case from the likes of, say, Taffy Hotene, who pretty much had the dice loaded against him from the start. Burton had every chance.

Next week is Antonie Dixon.

craic
27-01-2010, 11:49 AM
Was great to finally see the Graeme Burton story - as told by psychologist Nigel Latta - on the telly last night. Here was a bloke from the Hutt raised by a caring, loving adoptive mother with high standards and expectations - but went off the rails nevertheless despite the efforts of those around him.

He was a bad one from the start. Interestingly it didn't touch on his gang affiliations, which the sensible sentencing trust says he has.

quite a different case from the likes of, say, Taffy Hotene, who pretty much had the dice loaded against him from the start. Burton had every chance.

Next week is Antonie Dixon.

My experience with criminal offenders and writing their case histories for the Court is that adoptive parents try too hard in some cases to be better parents and can create monsters. Oddly, this is more likely to happen in European familie than in Polynesian families. This is partly because european adoptions often involved older adoptive parents who could lavish their all on a single adoptive child. Polynesians are more likely to be taking in children into established families. The "wonderful parents" are over indulgent and do not set standards.

shasta
27-01-2010, 05:52 PM
My experience with criminal offenders and writing their case histories for the Court is that adoptive parents try too hard in some cases to be better parents and can create monsters. Oddly, this is more likely to happen in European familie than in Polynesian families. This is partly because european adoptions often involved older adoptive parents who could lavish their all on a single adoptive child. Polynesians are more likely to be taking in children into established families. The "wonderful parents" are over indulgent and do not set standards.

Missed from yesterday, but a worthy member of the SOTD club.

Seems like the retarded Judge has also been living in cotton wool box!

What's the point of 3 strikes, when this waste of space gets a "holiday" with 3 hots & a cot?

'Cowardly attack' left toddler like stroke victim

Lance Teriwhi Corkery will spend less than five years in jail for inflicting injuries on a baby that left her in a condition like that of a stroke survivor.

The 39-year-old unemployed Whangarei man "lost it" when his girlfriend's child, Tinishar Walker, 17 months, was crying.

He picked her up, shook her violently and dropped her twice so her head slammed against an open drawer as she fell to the floor.

Tinishar, now 22 months, is still recovering from the "cowardly attack" and is barely able to walk by herself, struggles to feed herself and has to wear a protective padded helmet in case she falls.

She wears a splint on her left leg for support as that side of her body is the worst-affected. She will need help for the rest of her life.

Medical experts say her condition is similar to that of someone who has had a stroke.

Yesterday Corkery appeared in the Whangarei District Court for sentencing after he admitted causing grievous bodily harm to Tinishar with intent.

Judge John MacDonald sentenced Corkery to four years and 10 months in jail, with a non-parole period of two years and five months.

Tinishar's family is struggling to see how such a "short sentence" was dished out for injuries that will affect her for ever.

Grandmother Tina Nicholson said there was no way the prison term compared to the permanent damage done to her moko.

"My beautiful moko will never have a normal life. He beat a baby in a cowardly attack," Mrs Nicholson said. "This just sends out a message to those who do this sort of thing they will just get a slap on the hand."

For Ms Nicholson, sitting in court during sentencing, it was the first time she had heard of the attack details. "It was gut-wrenching to listen to it in court and think someone could do that to a child."

Tinishar's 19-year-old mother, Siobhean Cassidy, said the punishment was "unfair".

"It breaks my heart to see her. Sometimes she just gets frustrated and she should be running around and enjoying herself. She will have to have help for the rest of her life."

Crown prosecutor Mike Smith said it was a miracle Tinishar had survived the prolonged attack and recommended nine years' jail.

Defence lawyer Arthur Fairley offered an apology from Corkery.

He said Corkery had pleaded guilty as soon as he could, was extremely remorseful and had suffered a brain injury himself five weeks before the attack.

Judge MacDonald said Corkery had been in a defacto relationship with Miss Cassidy at the Windsor Ave, Kamo, house. Last August 11, Corkery was at home looking after Tinishar.

His mother was watching television in another room.

Corkery put Tinishar down to sleep but picked her up when she started to cry and violently shook her. Her head flung back and forth, causing a brain bleed.

"You would have had to have lived in a box of cotton wool over the last five years not to have known that this is what happens when you shake a baby," Judge MacDonald said.

Corkery then held Tinishar out in front of him and dropped her from waist height. The back of her head struck an open drawer. Corkery dropped her again, then carried her to the shower to clean her up, but she fell over.

Corkery rang Ms Cassidy, saying Tinishar had injured herself in the shower and asked what he should he do. A short time later he called an ambulance.

Tinishar was lapsing in and out of consciousness and when she arrived at Whangarei Hospital, she was given urgent life support.

A scan showed a fractured skull and a brain bleed. She was flown to Starship in Auckland where she went straight to theatre to have part of her brain removed to relieve the pressure.

More brain bleeds had doctors fearing for her survival.

When spoken to by police, Corkery said he had lost it when the baby would not settle.

Judge MacDonald said the starting point was eight years and he was bound by law to give a 30 per cent reduction for an early guilty plea.

He also gave a six-month reduction for Corkery's brain injury.

Tinishar remains in an Auckland rehabilitation centre and requires one-on-one daily help.

- NORTHERN ADVOCATE (http://www.northernadvocate.co.nz/)

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RazorX
27-01-2010, 06:24 PM
Shoot the *You can insert an offensive term here* guy. That would solve the problem permanently. "Required by law to give a 30% discount for early guilty plea"? The law is seriously warped when it is giving bonuses to the offender. If they want to have discounts they should have the starting point higher - way higher.

Anyways sorry for the rant, it just makes me so angry when I constantly read of this sort of thing happening.

craic
28-01-2010, 03:22 PM
One f the dogs was only three weeks old. Seems they may have killed the mans fox terrier. I have a little foxie at my feet as I write and if anyones nasties killed him, I doubt if I would be able to stop at shooting the dogs.

shasta
28-01-2010, 03:53 PM
33 dogs massacred in 'rifle-killing frenzy' (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10622729&pnum=0)

There more here than meets the eye ... But such a massacre speaks volumes about the two men who clearly "took the law into their own hands". Dosn't say what sort of dogs they were. Nor does it say why Mr Hargreaves had so many.

What was the guy doing with 40 unregistered dogs in the first place?

Perhaps the looney needs shooting himself!

brettdale
28-01-2010, 04:13 PM
If anyone deserve this award, its these two men.

Placebo
28-01-2010, 04:41 PM
If anyone deserve this award, its these two men.

So someone who kills dogs is worse than someone who kills people?

Skol
29-01-2010, 11:55 AM
I'm not saying the shooters did the right thing, but anyone who lives in a caravan surrounded by wrecked cars and 33 unregistered dogs is quite clearly a simpleton.

sharer
29-01-2010, 01:49 PM
I'm not saying the shooters did the right thing, but anyone who lives in a caravan surrounded by wrecked cars and 33 unregistered dogs is quite clearly a simpleton.

So, simpletons should be shot?

Hmmm, now where is that little list ...

neopoleII
29-01-2010, 08:25 PM
i live in a hippy style house with some old cars and caravans around, lots of chickens and wildlife hanging around the front door for a free feed, yet my land is worth more than alot of the yuppy city dweller living in townhouses or highrises in downtown aucks.
i wonder what the simpletons land is worth?
i have read he is a mechanic as well....... so obviously employed and able to fund his ecentric lifestyle.
in guessing the shooter is a queen street lifestyler.

disc.
ex city sliker , ex cafe poser, ex mod-con collector, ex studio designer.

im just a man living a good life.

and good lives come in many forms.

ps.
trying to grow the biggest pumpkin in NZ at the moment.
lots of fun......

George
30-01-2010, 08:22 AM
Anyone who shoots puppies with the excuse their foxy was killed by members of
the same pack are scumbags in my opinion. They can't hide behind a signed statement
from the owner (possibly under intimidation) that they won't be held liable.
Have started a thread on the property section about 'House Inspections' where
my sister's house is rotting on all its foundation timbers because of a slack
building report which states 'No liability for any losses etc.' which is not necessarily
a defence in law.
If these guys broke a law, and I think they must have, then they will have to answer,
signed note or not. And one of them owns the local pet shop with his wife - unbelievable.

I don't understand the owner letting them do it when he had put two other dogs down the day
before, one had killed a sheep the other had similar markings. And his mate stood by seeming
unable to intervene in the slaughter - which brings up the idea of intimidation.

George

shasta
07-02-2010, 12:13 AM
This is becoming a very common story. My friend got caught the same way but this time with a roof. Lawyers got involved and the only outcome was that the "certified" property inspector had to refund the extorbidant fee he charged of about $1000. I mean, really, if the "certified experts" are not checking foundations and roofs properly then what use are they. Just another set of parisites involved in the buying and selling of residential property? Methinks so!

Today's infamous member of the SOTD club, a sick paedo, probably not the last time we will see him either :mad:

Our judges & suppression laws need a kick up the ar$e

So called "prominent" citizens get name suppression?

I'm sorry but being a pervert & a paedophile has NOTHING to do with mental illness, nor should the media be drawing such conclusions, & who gives a stuff what his wife does.

The justification that no one in NZ "suffered" is bollocks, i say the local community should be made aware of this person, in case there is any further risk to children nearby.

I'm sure i don't need to spell out the link between child porn & sexual abuse, it pretty much goes hand in hand.

Name suppression in computer porn case

A judge has granted permanent name suppression to a prominent Manawatu man who downloaded more than 300,000 pornographic images, many of children.

The man, who was charged with 25 counts of possessing objectionable material and one count of distributing pornographic images on the internet after an FBI investigation led to his arrest last year, was sentenced to four months' home detention when he appeared for sentencing in Palmerston North District Court yesterday.

The Manawatu Standard reported that between 2007 and 2009, the man downloaded the images off the internet on his personal computer at home. He also stored images on an external hard-drive.

Many of the images had young naked girls posing in sexualised positions.

Judge Grant Fraser said he granted permanent name suppression to protect the man's family, his mental state, his wife's job and his ability to rehabilitate.

"I've also accepted without hesitation the public interest and the public being aware of the character of you, and I've also taken into account the seriousness of your offending," Judge Fraser said.

"In this case there is no offending against any individuals within the New Zealand community.

"Therefore publicity in my view is not required to flush out any potential offenders or to enable members of the community to keep themselves safe from you."

Crown prosecutor Ben Vanderkolk said granting name suppression could be seen as protecting a person in a privileged position. He also disputed the need to protect the man's children as they were well informed about the offending.

But Judge Fraser cited it as a unique case in which the man had already suffered from his actions.

The man had just reached the pinnacle of his career last year when his house was searched by police.

He had since lost his employment and significant income and was suspended from his professional occupation.

He had also begun therapy to treat his paraphilia.

Judge Fraser also said while the consequences were "immeasurable" and would hang over his head for the rest of his life, the children and women in the images would also have to deal with the life-long effect of abuse.

- NZPA
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winner69
07-02-2010, 07:58 AM
That guy with 200,000 images ... jeez 200,000 is a big number .... remains unknown

.... but the 'perving banker' at Macquarie looking at semi naked Miranda Kerr is known across the world. Worse still he has offended all women bankers across the world by such lurid behaviour so probably he deserves what he gets ... even if it is infamy

shasta
07-02-2010, 02:04 PM
Shasta? Why my quote in your post? Is there link between the person and the building industry?

Also, If it was your father / brother / son who got name suppression you'd be pretty pleased wouldn't you? I mean, everyone would know you.... The guy only had pictures and no evidence of any actual criminal acts. Barely worthy of a news article really except for people like you who want to make people suffer as much as possible when they fit outside your 'norms' which are the antithesis of "diverse".

re ... Worse still he has offended all women bankers across the world by such lurid behaviour ... The women bankers (and women lawyers and women in IT) I know have already sent emails supporting the guy. The images were non-nude and while he shouldn't have been taking a quick look at work - who hasn't done this? This includes most women I know who frequently flick semi-naked pictures of men around and "men are morons" jokes. The most digusting image I saw was of semi naked Jonas brothers (make me feel like puking!) :).

No link whatsoever, i had just clicked on the last post, in lieu of copying the article onto the quick reply. Just makes formatting the article a little easier.

winner69
07-02-2010, 03:13 PM
Shasta?

re ... Worse still he has offended all women bankers across the world by such lurid behaviour ... The women bankers (and women lawyers and women in IT) I know have already sent emails supporting the guy. The images were non-nude and while he shouldn't have been taking a quick look at work - who hasn't done this? This includes most women I know who frequently flick semi-naked pictures of men around and "men are morons" jokes. The most digusting image I saw was of semi naked Jonas brothers (make me feel like puking!) :).

Belg .... I was only meetioning what this gal said in the SMH the other day

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/feel-sorry-for-kiely-but-pity-more-his-female-colleagues-20100204-ng33.html?autostart=1

The problem seems to be 'images of sexually objectified women prime men to perceive and respond to fully clothed women in the same way' and Cordelia's last words were 'So go ahead and feel sorry for Kiely, by all means. I do. But don't forget all the clothed women at Macquarie whose careers he helped make that much harderher'

Dr_Who
07-02-2010, 05:20 PM
That guy with 200,000 images ... jeez 200,000 is a big number .... remains unknown

.... but the 'perving banker' at Macquarie looking at semi naked Miranda Kerr is known across the world. Worse still he has offended all women bankers across the world by such lurid behaviour so probably he deserves what he gets ... even if it is infamy

Come on, dont tell me you havnt looked at nudy photos. Anyway, that guy has taste, Miranda Kerr is hot! :D

Placebo
09-02-2010, 09:53 AM
Here's my nominee: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3305195/Mongrel-Mob-prospect-denies-pub-murder.

Presumption of innocence means he's only a nominee ;). He's taken responsibility for the killing but seems to be heading down the track of self defence as the bloke he killed was `going to get his gun' (which wasn't loaded, but the guy didn't know that), and that he was doing as he was told as Mungie prospects are automatons who can't think for themselves.

Last time I looked we all had free will, but there you go. Lawyers, eh? They'll give anything a crack.

shasta
12-02-2010, 12:07 AM
Here's my nominee: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3305195/Mongrel-Mob-prospect-denies-pub-murder.

Presumption of innocence means he's only a nominee ;). He's taken responsibility for the killing but seems to be heading down the track of self defence as the bloke he killed was `going to get his gun' (which wasn't loaded, but the guy didn't know that), and that he was doing as he was told as Mungie prospects are automatons who can't think for themselves.

Last time I looked we all had free will, but there you go. Lawyers, eh? They'll give anything a crack.

This scumbag should have been a past inductee of the SOTD, but it's topical now, because it's hit the news...:rolleyes:

This guy hasn't had any name suppression, & the fact he couldn't even keep to his bail conditions should raise a red flag given he has no parole conditions imposed on him.

We might see some vigilantes try & boot him out, but it poses a wee problem.

Should this guy be targetted" by locals, we may see in the future others released from prison & communities NOT be informed on who is living among them.

Would you wanna know who has been released into your community?

Community outraged rapist to move in

Residents in the Kapiti coast community of Raumati are outraged a repeat rapist is set to move in, close to local schools.

Justin Ames Johnston, 39, was released from prison in August last year after serving more than 15 years for two rapes - one involving a woman, 26, in 1993 and the other a 15-year-old girl in 1994.

Kapiti police confirmed this week that he would be living in Margaret Rd, the same street as Kapiti College and around the corner from a primary school, the Dominion Post reported.

In December, Johnson breached the conditions and was returned to Rimutaka prison in December, where he remains.

He is due in Lower Hutt District Court on Monday to defend a charge of being unlawfully in a closed yard.

If and when he is released he plans to live with his sister in Margaret Rd.
Raumati residents met police yesterday to discuss their concerns.

Kapiti College principal Tony Kane said it seemed "spectacularly inappropriate" that Johnston could live so close to the school.

There had been no warning from police about Johnston's move, he said.
Kapiti-Mana area commander Inspector John Spence said police were working with the Corrections Department on the issue.

Dr_Who
12-02-2010, 07:08 AM
There is a site in the US that lists all the convicted sex offenders addresses. It will scare the living daylights out of you if you know how many there are in the US. We should have a similar site in NZ.

http://www.familywatchdog.us/

craic
12-02-2010, 11:03 AM
When Theresa Cormack was murdered here in Napier it was said by the police that they had up to 400 sex offender suspects in the area. I knew quite a few of them. But I will state it again - clearly - the vast majority of murders and stranger rapes etc are committed by the next door neighbour that you never suspected in a hundred years. The convicted rapist who lives next door will, almost always, go well away from home to re-offend. The odd exception is usually an individual who is mentally handicapped in an obvious way.

shasta
16-02-2010, 03:42 PM
A man who disciplined his son by hitting him with an alkathene pipe believed he was following the practice laid down in the Bible, a court was told yesterday.Father uses Bible to defend attack on son (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10625935)

Throw the book at him!

Today's SOTD is a white collar scumbag, but a scumbag none the less!

ASB banker who stole millions appears in court

An investment adviser charged with defrauding $17.8 million from ASB Bank clients appeared in the Auckland District Court today and will remain in custody until sentencing in March.

Stephen Gerard Versalko, 51, pleaded guilty to three charges laid by the Serious Fraud Office earlier this month.

He defrauded nearly 30 wealthy ASB clients of $17,763,110.19 over nine years until he was fired last August.

Versalko's fraud is the largest employee theft in New Zealand history.

- NZ Herald staff

Placebo
17-02-2010, 11:22 AM
Update to my earlier post.. that scumbag is guilty. That's life for Hulio Ataria (sounds like a Spanish video game).

Dishonourable mention to a regular nominee - Mark Burton. He was profiled on the Beyond the Darklands show a couple of weeks ago. Now he's whining that the show was `inaccurate' and he's demanding an apology.

Never mind scumbag, what a whiney loser.

Dr_Who
17-02-2010, 11:33 AM
Today's SOTD is a white collar scumbag, but a scumbag none the less!

ASB banker who stole millions appears in court

An investment adviser charged with defrauding $17.8 million from ASB Bank clients appeared in the Auckland District Court today and will remain in custody until sentencing in March.

Stephen Gerard Versalko, 51, pleaded guilty to three charges laid by the Serious Fraud Office earlier this month.

He defrauded nearly 30 wealthy ASB clients of $17,763,110.19 over nine years until he was fired last August.

Versalko's fraud is the largest employee theft in New Zealand history.

- NZ Herald staff

If this guys goes to jail, which he will, so should the crooks from the finance companies. The likes of the promoters in Blue Chip, Bridgecorp, Hanover.. etc should be given the same jail sentences as the ASB fraudster.

Dr_Who
19-02-2010, 07:21 AM
There is something fundamentally rotten in our society when we treat our elderly and our children with contempt. Very sad. :mad:

Dad threw three-month-old baby daughter from bridge

http://news.msn.co.nz/article/1014096/dad-threw-three-month-old-baby-daughter-from-bridge

minimoke
19-02-2010, 07:34 AM
There is something fundamentally rotten in our society when we treat our elderly and our children with contempt. Very sad. :mad:

Dad threw three-month-old baby daughter from bridge

http://news.msn.co.nz/article/1014096/dad-threw-three-month-old-baby-daughter-from-bridge
Not really a big deal in the State's with 100,000 homicides a year, 16,000 murders a year and 2 baby muders a day.
In Christchurch we just leave 'em garden sheds.

craic
19-02-2010, 10:15 AM
She didn't intend to - just decided to move and couldn't remember where she left it. I tried that with my wife once but she got wind of the idea and got where i was going and got there before me. At least we know that this lady could not have been a Maori - they have much greater respect for the dead.

minimoke
19-02-2010, 03:41 PM
...Maori - they have much greater respect for the dead.
Debateable. But we do know some have little respect for the living ones

brettdale
26-02-2010, 05:38 PM
I vote for Keith Locke, for saying "What are the Police trying to hide" in the Tazer Debate, I guess the Policeman who was laying in Hospital could of really used a Tazer.

But Locke has to be for the crims.

Skol
01-03-2010, 07:33 PM
How about Bailey Kurariki (again). Interviewed by 2 female journalists and exposed himself and groped them.
Not sure why a news organisation would send 2 females to interview such a known, infamous scumbag.

RazorX
01-03-2010, 10:29 PM
Yep - a classic case for deportation to the Sirius system without a space suit. This scumbag has proven that he is going to be no good.

As for the news organization, dumb just plain dumb.

minimoke
02-03-2010, 09:58 AM
As for the news organization, dumb just plain dumb.
I beg to differ. Here is another clear example of the media creating the news rather than reporting it. Its a given that Kuariki is going to end up in jail again and over time he'll commit worse crimes resulting in longer terms. At some stage (probably by the time he's thirty) he'll be away for life - but probably at the cost of someone elses life. Here you have the media attempting to ramp up the process - and be the media on the scene for that all important scoop when it happens.

Skol
08-03-2010, 09:13 PM
Not a major scumbag but a member of the 'intelligentsia'.


AN AUSTRALIAN college lecturer is facing jail after concealing a camera in a student house to watch female tenants shower, The Sun reports.
Paul Powen Hwang, 33, hid the device in the bathroom air freshener of a house he rented to a group of girls in the UK.

He was rumbled when a tenant spotted that it was "following her around the room."

She took it apart and found a digital camera connected to a battery and called in cops.

Hwang, an Australian who has taught at Oxford and Cambridge, lectured on business studies at University College Birmingham.

The house is in the Ladywood area of the central English city.

He quit his post after his crime came to light in October 2009.

He pleaded guilty to voyeurism at Birmingham Crown Court last month and will be sentenced next week.

craic
09-03-2010, 10:08 AM
And that makes him a scumbag? When the old "Captain Cook" plied the seas between here and the UK, it was said that the Captains inspection group included the ships carpenter (shipwright) who had a hammer and wooden plugs to bung up the holes that crew had bored into bathroom walls. One irate lady passenger complained to the company that " The ship has so many holes in it that its a wonder it stays afloat"

minimoke
09-03-2010, 01:32 PM
Not a major scumbag but a member of the 'intelligentsia'.

Keeping with teh scholarly theme what about this miscreant for today.
The trial of an Auckland schoolteacher has been abandoned today after he changed his pleas to guilty over committing indecent acts on a primary school student.



In the High Court at Auckland Nicholas Raymond Baldwin, 62, admitted to six charges of doing indecent acts with a young person under the age of 16 and two counts of sexual violation by unlawful sexual connection.



The offences were committed between January 1, 2007, and September 4, 2008.
Justice Geoffrey Venning discharged the jury this morning, after more than an hour of legal discussion.



Baldwin will be sentenced on April 20.



The name of the boy, and that of the school he attended and at which Baldwin taught, is suppressed.
Bail was refused and Baldwin was remanded in custody.

craic
10-03-2010, 10:48 AM
They suppress the name of the school and publish the name of the teacher? What a farce! Is there anyone who wants to know the schools name who can't find out easily? The victims name is suppressed by legislation. By the way Baldwin has nowcommenced his sentence so it doesn't matter how long they take in the sentencing process.

ronthepom
13-03-2010, 12:08 PM
McClay, another one with his snout in the trough, and they are trying to stop the pensioners free bus rides, what about their free plane rides.

What next?

winner69
18-03-2010, 04:04 PM
Jeez ... ripping off ignorant old ladies and then spending heaps of it on screwing (presumably) younger ones ... what a low life

But i bet he enjoyed it while it lasted

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3471893/Banker-blew-3-4m-on-prostitutes

Home detention?

Nevl
19-03-2010, 12:04 AM
Jeez ... ripping off ignorant old ladies and then spending heaps of it on screwing (presumably) younger ones ... what a low life

But i bet he enjoyed it while it lasted

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3471893/Banker-blew-3-4m-on-prostitutes

Home detention?

Knighthood at the least!!

Dr_Who
19-03-2010, 08:26 AM
Jeez ... ripping off ignorant old ladies and then spending heaps of it on screwing (presumably) younger ones ... what a low life

But i bet he enjoyed it while it lasted

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3471893/Banker-blew-3-4m-on-prostitutes

Home detention?

When people ask me to invest in their project or managed funds etc, I always look at what car they drive, what they wear first. If they drivce a flash Porsche and wears all the blings like a rolex, then I show them the door. Experience tells me that people that show off too much tend to spend all the money before they can earn it. And it is usually other people's money they like to spend.

minimoke
19-03-2010, 08:55 AM
When people ask me to invest in their project or managed funds etc, I always look at what car they drive, what they wear first. If they drivce a flash Porsche and wears all the blings like a rolex, then I show them the door. Experience tells me that people that show off too much tend to spend all the money before they can earn it. And it is usually other people's money they like to spend.
An excellent yet simple rule of investing. Two of mine are:
Don't lend to institutions that have their personal name in the comany name. Clearly their ego needs stroking.
Don't deal with people who stick the initial of their middle names in their signature. Pretentious pricks don't need my money.

shasta
26-03-2010, 02:34 PM
How about Bailey Kurariki (again). Interviewed by 2 female journalists and exposed himself and groped them.
Not sure why a news organisation would send 2 females to interview such a known, infamous scumbag.

Our sure fire SOTD hall of famer is at it again...

I believe everyone deserves a 2nd chance, but how on earth can Bailey get bail when up for more charges?

I'd like to see a system whereby, ANY offences committed whilst on parole, you get sent back to jail to serve out the full sentence of your previous crimes, + any other crimes committed on parole are served consecutively (not concurrently) & no allowance for early release, so if jailed for a further 2 years, u do the full 2 years.

I would also like to see any breach of bail/parole conditions result in automatic loss or any bail or parole in the future.

We need to start implementing more "minimum time" jail sentences, where only those that have been fully rehabilitated, & who have completed all the necessary courses & conditions get released, & those who dont comply, stay incarcerated until such time as they are deemed "rehabilitated" enough to retrun to society.

ACT's hard stance on crime is a good start, but we need to send out the right message to criminals that non compliance leads to tougher conditions & longer sentences, & that those willing to change & rehabilitate will be reintergrated sooner

Kurariki bailed on sex charges with 7pm curfew

Bailey Junior Kurariki has been released on bail after he failed to appear in court yesterday on charges of indecent exposure and indecent assault.

Kurariki, 20, failed to appear in Manukau District Court yesterday and a warrant was issued for his arrest if he did not show by 4pm.

He missed that deadline and was picked up late last night at a south Auckland house and spent the night in police custody.
In court today, he was remanded to May 7 to appear on the sex charges and one charge of assaulting a prison officer which he already faced.

He was also remanded to the same day on a charge of failing to meet his earlier bail conditions and appear in court.
His lawyer told the court he would be pleading not guilty on all five charges.

As part of his bail the court imposed a home curfew from 7pm to 7am.

Earlier, police told nzherald.co.nz Kurariki ran out the back and through a neighbour's property when police came knocking yesterday.

Kurariki's lawyer Jonathan Hudson told the court yesterday morning that Kurariki's family had said he was unwell.
He said Kurariki had gone to his probation officer who referred him to a doctor.

But Judge Moses said if Kurariki was well enough to see his probation officer, he was well enough to turn up in court and issued an arrest warrant.

Detective Inspector Mark Gutrie said when police went to arrest Kurariki at a relative's home yesterday, he ran out the backdoor and through a neighbour's property.

Mr Gutrie said police caught up with Kurariki in the next street.
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minimoke
09-04-2010, 02:12 PM
Todays award pehaps to the photographer for not leaving the Auckland lad alone to do what only comes naturally:

"A 16-year-old boy appeared in Christchurch Youth Court today on a charge of bestiality after allegedly having sex with a donkey.
The youth has automatic name suppression because of his age.
He appeared before Judge Stephen Erber after his arrest yesterday. He had been held in custody overnight.
Police have said the charge arose from an incident in Sumner's Sumnervale Reserve when a nearby resident phoned police to report what was happening in the field below their house and took photographs.
Police said the youth did not live locally, and had given no explanation for his actions.
He was remanded to reappear in court on May 4"

shasta
09-04-2010, 09:40 PM
Todays award pehaps to the photographer for not leaving the Auckland lad alone to do what only comes naturally:

"A 16-year-old boy appeared in Christchurch Youth Court today on a charge of bestiality after allegedly having sex with a donkey.
The youth has automatic name suppression because of his age.
He appeared before Judge Stephen Erber after his arrest yesterday. He had been held in custody overnight.
Police have said the charge arose from an incident in Sumner's Sumnervale Reserve when a nearby resident phoned police to report what was happening in the field below their house and took photographs.
Police said the youth did not live locally, and had given no explanation for his actions.
He was remanded to reappear in court on May 4"

Is anyone THAT surprised? (Perhaps it was his cousin?)

Sorry Canterbury folk - only kidding

craic
09-04-2010, 11:16 PM
There is nothing new here. Years ago when I worked night shift at Riccarton Carpets I used to drink in the big pub at the top of Riccarton ( not Nancy Hancocks - that was down the other end) and there was the story of a cow cocky up the road. One of his mates from the pub went up to see him and peering through a gap, noticed that he was not actually milking a particular cow. He went back and told others of the strange behaviour and much fun was had by all over a period of time until an off-duty cop heard of the practice and went to investigate. He got a holiday from milking cows.

Lawso
14-05-2010, 01:50 PM
Residents of a Bay of Plenty suburb where a 4-year-old boy was assaulted for wearing a red shirt say they do not dress their children in the colour for fear of Black Power gang reprisals.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10644570&pnum=0

friggin animals! No, worse, but I can't think of worse just now. Why would anyone want to be associated with group who are so f'cked up?

I read or heard somewhere that the "animal" concerned is 20 years old. Unbelievable.

brettdale
19-05-2010, 05:11 PM
How about those kids on tv laughing about it?

fungus pudding
19-05-2010, 05:40 PM
There is nothing new here. Years ago when I worked night shift at Riccarton Carpets I used to drink in the big pub at the top of Riccarton ( not Nancy Hancocks - that was down the other end) and there was the story of a cow cocky up the road. One of his mates from the pub went up to see him and peering through a gap, noticed that he was not actually milking a particular cow. He went back and told others of the strange behaviour and much fun was had by all over a period of time until an off-duty cop heard of the practice and went to investigate. He got a holiday from milking cows.

Bet the other cows were jealous.

Contrarian
20-05-2010, 05:15 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Blue Chip co-founder Mark Bryers has escaped a prison sentence.

He was handed down a $37470 fine, and 75 hours of community service in the Auckland District Court this afternoon after earlier pleading guilty to 34 charges laid by the Ministry of Economic Development in relation to the running of Blue Chip.

Justice Chris Field said the amount of victim impact statements handed to the court was approaching "telephone directory size".

The judge adjourned the hearing at the district court in Auckland for an extra 15 minutes this afternoon to give himself more time to read the nearly 100 statements he was handed today, in addition to the ones already submitted.

He said there was an "overwhelmingly sense of bitterness" contained in the statements. He added that Mr Bryer's had created hardship for those involved including "serious consequences for yourself".

Many investors had called for Bryers to be jailed but his lawyer indicated this morning that he expected a non-custodial sentence.

fungus pudding
20-05-2010, 05:30 PM
Justice Chris Field said the amount of victim impact statements ..............



I'd be suprised to hear such poor grammar from a judge.

Cannibal
20-05-2010, 07:59 PM
Heh - suprised?

fungus pudding
20-05-2010, 08:22 PM
Heh - suprised?

Yes - very.

peat
26-05-2010, 07:58 AM
jail is too good for this guy
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10647456

2624

shasta
26-05-2010, 12:05 PM
jail is too good for this guy
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10647456

2624

He shouldn't be let out into society ever again...

The Charges:
* Assault
* Theft
* Excess blood alcohol
* Driving while disqualified for third time
* Drink driving causing injury
* Drink driving causing death

neopoleII
26-05-2010, 01:00 PM
well the judge thinks its ok for him to be walking around in society....... maybe even driving.............

shasta
26-05-2010, 01:06 PM
well the judge thinks its ok for him to be walking around in society....... maybe even driving.............

Disqualified 3 times, shows he aint gonna learn - he should never be allowed to drive again & any breach of this, he spends the rest of his life in jail.

Given all his other charges, if he can't be rehabiliated, then he has no place in society

neopoleII
26-05-2010, 04:12 PM
fully agree Shasta,
what i question is the judge letting him out on bail.
but then........ that just seems to be normal practice in todays courts.
its getting more dangerous being an honest citizen in todays world.

Year of the Tiger
26-05-2010, 05:08 PM
It just as well then that there are so few honest citizens left then ... ;)

Well there's ME and THEE, but I'm not too sure about THEE...;)

YOTT

garman
03-06-2010, 09:32 AM
Scum bags of the day would have to be the far North District Council who are taking fluoride out of the water because there was a vote by tax payers "only 16% voted" the far north is already one of the highest places for tooth decay, because of this backward decision things are going to get a lot worse.

beacon
03-06-2010, 09:56 AM
I nominate the banks for this prestigious award. What nobody in this part of the world is saying is that these banks have contributed handsomely to the downturn by restraining lending unduely:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/3770888/Australian-banks-gouging-billions

Logen Ninefingers
03-06-2010, 10:20 AM
I nominate Joe Karam....today and every other day until the end of time. Always fighting someone else's battle. Time he got a life of his own.

minimoke
03-06-2010, 12:29 PM
I nominate Joe Karam....today and every other day until the end of time. Always fighting someone else's battle. Time he got a life of his own.
Hmm "fighting someone elses battle"? How is that scummy - especially scummy enough to be nominated for this prestegious award?

What does it say about your threshold to scumminess if you can nominate Karam today, ahead of say Derrick Bird (killed 12 shot another 25 - a non NZ'er I know but perhasp worth of special mention); or the two new Brighton twits who wasted emergency service time when they hit a power pole on their motorbike without wearing helmets, or the speeding hypocritcial New Plymouth Mayor (at 142km); or the hit-n-run driver that flipped the old folks car in Hamilton; or the two Chinese who stuck another body in a boot. With a sense of justice like that Karam is probably very pleased you're not in his camp.

Logen Ninefingers
03-06-2010, 01:24 PM
Nah, I've had a gutsful of Karam and his caped crusader act. There's a quote from him where he said he just looked into Bain's eyes and he knew he wasn't guilty. So why do we need juries in New Zealand? Why do we worry about evidence? Just let Karam decide every murder case, he obviously has powers equal to God. What about his quote in one of his books about how if Robin Bain's clothing was tested he'd have no doubt it would be covered in the blood of his whole family. And it gets tested, and it's all his own blood. Do you think that fazes Karam? Not a bit. Bain passed the "look in the eyes" test.....no evidence can possibly trump that.
Why, why, why can't Bain stand on his own two feet now? Why does Karam have to run around suing people and strut around the place like a little peacock. How long will this go on for? Is this Karams lot for the rest of his life, leaping in to intercede for Bain? Good thing he can't get inside our heads and eliminate our thoughts. Long live the resistance!!!!

evilroyrule
03-06-2010, 01:27 PM
i second that.

minimoke
03-06-2010, 01:31 PM
Nah, I've had a gutsful of Karam and his caped crusader act. There's a quote from him where he said he just looked into Bain's eyes and he knew he wasn't guilty. So why do we need juries in New Zealand? Why do we worry about evidence? Just let Karam decide every murder case, he obviously has powers equal to God. What about his quote in one of his books about how if Robin Bain's clothing was tested he'd have no doubt it would be covered in the blood of his whole family. And it gets tested, and it's all his own blood. Do you think that fazes Karam? Not a bit. Bain passed the "look in the eyes" test.....no evidence can possibly trump that.
Why, why, why can't Bain stand on his own two feet now? Why does Karam have to run around suing people and strut around the place like a little peacock. How long will this go on for? Is this Karams lot for the rest of his life, leaping in to intercede for Bain? Good thing he can't get inside our heads and eliminate our thoughts. Long live the resistance!!!!
Valid criticisms for sure - but i still don't see how they register on the ol Scummiometer. And far be it for me to put ideas into your head, though I'm sure there is plenty of room, - but it seems to me Karam can and has got inside your head. I'd offer you my anti-psycotics except karlos hasn't returtned them yet.

minimoke
03-06-2010, 01:46 PM
Yeah. What's with the chinese and sticking bodies in the boot? Is this some sort cultural thing I'm missing?
And lets not forget the "Body in the Suitcase" chinese murders or the "Girl in the Cupboard" chinese kidnapping. Theres got to be somthing about stuffing small ******EDIT into slightly larger ******Edit.

minimoke
03-06-2010, 02:12 PM
If you didnt use that child proof lid on the container, you would have had them back by now:p
I was going to send them in a Blister Pack but wasn't sure if you'd know which side to open!

shasta
04-06-2010, 04:50 PM
What? ... Am I the only one to think tow truck drivers are the scum of the earth?

Here are the real scumbags, shouldn't this money go towards the MILLIONS they owe other people, the system that allows this sucks big ones

Watson and Hotchin due $5m from Allied

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10649540

Cannibal
04-06-2010, 05:05 PM
Today's nomiees ... Tow truck drivers and city councils that allow them to operate!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10649385&pnum=0

Would the loverly little Kiko be alive today if her car hadn't been towed?

Jeez - that is a bit rough on towies. Towies are murderers by association?

Towies and parking wardens are a necessary evil - without them there would be no parks in town - ever. We all know the rules on parking and if you incur either's wrath you deserve all you get.

Lighten up!

minimoke
04-06-2010, 06:06 PM
Here are the real scumbags, shouldn't this money go towards the MILLIONS they owe other people, the system that allows this sucks big ones

Watson and Hotchin due $5m from Allied

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10649540
Do you mean Loughlin, the ALF director who reckoned ALF would fly into the NZX50 so ALF holders backed the buy only to be left to hang out and dry by their own company?

shasta
04-06-2010, 06:52 PM
Do you mean Loughlin, the ALF director who reckoned ALF would fly into the NZX50 so ALF holders backed the buy only to be left to hang out and dry by their own company?

He's a right weasel too, & in good company with those two shysters...

Dr_Who
18-06-2010, 11:52 AM
What a wonderful country we live in.

Mum bashed by pregnant women
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3825672/Mum-bashed-by-pregnant-women

minimoke
18-06-2010, 12:09 PM
What a wonderful country we live in.

Mum bashed by pregnant women
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3825672/Mum-bashed-by-pregnant-women
And people wonder why I'm an advocate for compulsory sterilization

Logen Ninefingers
18-06-2010, 01:16 PM
"I'm horrified at the level of violence from these women. The other aspect to it is that two of them are pregnant and several others claim to be pregnant. One of them is eight months pregnant ... [you] can only guess at what kind of parents they'll make."
There was pandemonium at Lower Hutt District Court yesterday when seven of the accused women appeared together in the dock. A woman in the public gallery called Judge Jan Kelly a "stupid bitch".
The judge also had to tell one of the women to "calm down" after she complained she would not be able to see her family because of bail conditions.
Kristyann Tairakena, 19, Puawaioterangi Munro, 26, Moana Grace, 20, Carmell Waihape, 19, Toni Nathan, 22, Emily Tairakena, 17, Shavon Waihape, 22, and a 16-year-old girl all face multiple counts of injuring with intent to injure.

...We'll be supporting these Labourite ferals from the cradle to the grave. Long live socialism.

Realist
18-06-2010, 01:34 PM
They'll lose their children to social welfare, no more cash cow (no more cash cow).

Logen Ninefingers
18-06-2010, 01:56 PM
They'll lose their children to social welfare, no more cash cow (no more cash cow).

Something tells me these cows will still end up getting our cash, whether it be unemployment or sickness (too drugged up and fat to work) benefit.

Realist
18-06-2010, 02:11 PM
Something tells me these cows will still end up getting our cash, whether it be unemployment or sickness (too drugged up and fat to work) benefit.

Correct. Better that than having a legacy of poverty, that way at least the child can pay off the tax for them.

Logen Ninefingers
18-06-2010, 02:41 PM
Correct. Better that than having a legacy of poverty, that way at least the child can pay off the tax for them.

Oh, these kids will be living in poverty, don't worry about that. Poverty of love, poverty of aspiration, poverty of good role models, poverty of hope....you name it. We talk about individual choices but these kids are ****ed from the get-go. Just as their mothers probably were. The cycle continues.

Realist
18-06-2010, 02:52 PM
Oh, these kids will be living in poverty, don't worry about that. Poverty of love, poverty of aspiration, poverty of good role models, poverty of hope....you name it. We talk about individual choices but these kids are ****ed from the get-go. Just as their mothers probably were. The cycle continues.

No, social welfare rescues the kid, then the kid doesn't grow up the same way.

minimoke
18-06-2010, 04:08 PM
No, social welfare rescues the kid, then the kid doesn't grow up the same way.
Social Welfare, at best will give the children back to the wider whanau. I have zero confidence that these kids will grow up to be productive members of society. They were probably ****ed pre-conception with the genetic shortcomings of the pond scum, they were ****ed pre-birth with drug/alcohol/nutritional problems during gestation; they are ****ed post birth with the same things except add in the lack of care and a half decent living environment. They are knackered for the future because one of more of these people are going to do jail time for one thing or another -and if the mums don't stuff them, the wider whanau will (though they are probably safe from the fathers as they are likely to be no where to be seen). The future looks bleak for the kids and the taxpayer who will be there as a crutch until the next batch of miscreants hatch - and as Logen say - the cycle continues.......

Logen Ninefingers
18-06-2010, 04:22 PM
No, social welfare rescues the kid, then the kid doesn't grow up the same way.

And you call yourself Realist!

Logen Ninefingers
18-06-2010, 04:25 PM
Baby's legs broken in alleged assault
The Dominion Post Last updated 14:48 18/06/LATEST: An 11-month child suffered two broken legs and a fractured skull after an allegedly being assaulted by an adult.

Last night a 45-year-old man from Wanganui was arrested and charged with wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm and failing to provide necessities for a child.

The man will appear at Palmerston North District Court today with police opposing bail.

Police believe the young boy from Palmerston North suffered the injuries on Saturday, 1 May in Opunake.

On Wednesday, May 5 in Palmerston North the boy's mother was worried her son was unwell and she sought medical help.

A community medical centre quickly found the child had a fractured leg.

He was sent to Palmerston North Hospital where more injuries were discovered and he was immediately transferred to Starship Hospital in Auckland.

It eventually transpired the child had fractures to both legs and a fractured skull.

He is no longer in hospital but is receiving ongoing medical treatment.

Police immediately launched an investigation.

''Investigations inevitably become more complex when the victim is not able to tell you what has happened, and it is so important with children that someone gives them a voice. We worked closely with medical practitioners to establish exactly how and when the injuries were caused,'' Detective Glenda Barnaby said.

Anyone who has any information about child abuse or neglect is encouraged to contact the Police.

Information can be provided anonymously via Crimestoppers on 0800 555111.

Logen Ninefingers
18-06-2010, 04:27 PM
Socail welfare rescued this kid aye.......

Boy died 'after carer bashed him with door'
By CLIO FRANCIS - Stuff Last updated 05:00 18/06/2010

woman who allegedly slammed a toddler's head against a door with such force it left dents in the wood, is undoubtedly responsible for his death, a court has been told.

Dylan Rimoni, 3, died on April 18, 2008, in Auckland's Starship children's hospital after his life support was turned off. An autopsy showed he died from head injuries.

His carer, Patricia Angela Pickering, 38, is charged with murdering the boy after bashing his head against a hard surface.

Pickering, who is on trial in the High Court at Auckland, also faces two charges of grievous bodily harm and one charge of assault. She has denied all charges.

Yesterday, Crown prosecutor Philip Hamlin told the court Dylan was given to Pickering to care for because the boy was in need of a mother and Pickering wanted a child. He had been removed from his birth parents' care after allegations of neglect and abuse.

Although it appeared a dream come true for both Pickering and the boy, the reality was quite different, Mr Hamlin said.

"This child was beaten for a long time. He was hit, cut and maltreated over the period he was in Ms Pickering's care. In the end he was dead, in her arms, effectively."

The jury was shown a cupboard door with two dents in the wood that the Crown claims were caused by the boy's head hitting it with force.

Evidence had been given to the court by Pickering's neighbours, who heard angry yelling at the house. One neighbour had heard Pickering yell: "Shut the f... up, shut up". Another heard her say: "If you do not shut your mouth, I'm going to punch your head."

Neighbours also gave evidence of seeing Pickering roughly handling a child outside the house a month before Dylan's death, Mr Hamlin said.

Pickering had then lied to police about what had really happened, blaming Dylan's injuries on him being a "clumsy" child.

"Toddlers do not run around and get significant brain injuries." The trial is continuing.

Logen Ninefingers
18-06-2010, 04:29 PM
Wider whanau to the resue...not....

Grandmother jailed for grand-daughter's death

LATEST: "Count yourself lucky," Justice Warwick Gendall told 57-year-old Joanne Jasmine Tahuri, of Marton, as he sentenced her to five years and nine months imprisonment for the manslaughter of her three-year-old grand-daughter in the High Court at Wanganui today.

He made the remark after observing that Cherishsiliala Tahuri-Wright, known as Cherish, died in Wellington Hospital on February 19 2009 after being struck by her grandmother two days earlier, just two months after the law was changed requiring tougher, deterrent sentences for such violence.

"People must learn to keep their hands to themselves," he said.

"They must understand that violence will be met with stern penalties."

Before taking into account any mitigating circumstances surrounding what he called "this tragic case," he considered a sentence of seven and-a-half years would be appropriate.

However, this was not a case of long-running cruelty but one of someone who was too free with their hands when under stress.

He said Tahuri was not well equipped to care for children, in this case Cherish and her cousin, both of them only three-years-old.

And it did her no credit that she initially took refuge in silence and denial, trying to explain away the injuries to Cherish as being caused by her boisterous little cousin or sustained in accidental falls.

Recognition must be given, however, to the decision by Tahuri, who originally pleaded not guilty to murder, to plead guilty to manslaughter two weeks into what otherwise would have been a four-week trial. He also took into account her dysfunctional upbringing and emotional and intellectual difficulties.

What happened, he said was as a result of her inability to control her anger and frustration. But it was inexcusable.

"You did your best for Cherish but you were not able to supply her with what she required."

Lance Rowe, for the Crown, asked that Tahuri, who had held out until the last moment casting suspicion on others, should be jailed for not less than six years and Peter Brosnahan, for the defence, suggested four or five years would be more appropriate.

He said she was a woman poorly equipped to deal with life, was herself the victim of shocking abuse and totally incapable of caring for the children.

The grey-haired Tahuri wept alone in the dock when the sentence was delivered.

There was no sign of her partner, or her family in the court.

Realist
18-06-2010, 04:30 PM
And you call yourself Realist!

Correct.

Perhaps if you are so concerned about childrens welfare, you would be recommending the needs of the children are addressed, before recommending they all end up without a penny.

Logen Ninefingers
18-06-2010, 04:32 PM
Correct.

Perhaps if you are so concerned about childrens welfare, you would be recommending the needs of the children are address, before saying they should all end up dead on the street.

Can't remember ever saying kids should end up dead on the street. That's abhorrent & a ridiculous thing for you to say. I don't know where you are coming from at all.

Logen Ninefingers
18-06-2010, 04:38 PM
All these stories are from today! Unreal that this shocking abuse of children is happening to this extent. What I would like to see is the Maori Party stand up and on behalf of all Maori say they are ashamed of this behaviour, that it is totally unacceptable and inhuman, and demand that the millions paid out in treaty settlements are directed to programs to educate and rehabilitate broken Maori families and to provide classes on acceptable and humane parenting. Handing people a benefit cheque is doing nothing for them. Labour would never want these people to move from poverty of spirit because the moment they become aspirational and successful and responsible in handling their finances and lives they'll stop voting left-wing and Labour loses their constituent base. Cradle to the grave socialism has done nothing for these people.

Realist
18-06-2010, 04:42 PM
Can't remember ever saying kids should end up dead on the street. That's abhorrent & a ridiculous thing for you to say. I don't know where you are coming from at all.

Oh it came through quite clearly when you said:


...We'll be supporting these Labourite ferals from the cradle to the grave. Long live socialism.


Oh, these kids will be living in poverty, don't worry about that. Poverty of love, poverty of aspiration, poverty of good role models, poverty of hope....you name it. We talk about individual choices but these kids are ****ed from the get-go. Just as their mothers probably were. The cycle continues.

Realist
18-06-2010, 04:48 PM
All these stories are from today! Unreal that this shocking abuse of children is happening to this extent. What I would like to see is the Maori Party stand up and on behalf of all Maori say they are ashamed of this behaviour, that it is totally unacceptable and inhuman, and demand that the millions paid out in treaty settlements are directed to programs to educate and rehabilitate broken Maori families and to provide classes on acceptable and humane parenting. Handing people a benefit cheque is doing nothing for them. Labour would never want these people to move from poverty of spirit because the moment they become aspirational and successful and responsible in handling their finances and lives they'll stop voting left-wing and Labour loses their constituent base. Cradle to the grave socialism has done nothing for these people.

Oh so it's the colour of the skin now.

What if there can be cycles of poverty irrespective of race?

Logen Ninefingers
18-06-2010, 04:48 PM
So saying that this this is vicious cycle = "I hope these kids end up dead on the street".

Realist
18-06-2010, 04:51 PM
You said more than that though didn't you :t_down:

minimoke
18-06-2010, 05:02 PM
Oh so it's the colour of the skin now.

What if there can be cycles of poverty irrespective of race?
In short and on the whole - Yes. However into that pool I'd also toss in the function a person's name has on their longevity or productivity. Who would put money on a person with a name like "Cherishsiliala" or Kristyann or Shavon being having a positive future.

Realist
18-06-2010, 05:07 PM
As for legacies of non-Maori on benefits? why aren't you interested in fixing that problem?

minimoke
18-06-2010, 05:13 PM
why aren't you interested in fixing that problem?
I'm interested - but I don't get a lot of support for my prevention ideas. Charge parents of fat kids with abuse, sterilize parents who end up in jail for child abuse, no DPB if you don't name the father, no Benefit for any kids born while receiving a Benefit......

Realist
18-06-2010, 05:22 PM
I've got a good one for you, why not start running self empowerment seminars with a free giveaway bottle of skin bleach - gee that'll solve the problem won't it :glare:

minimoke
18-06-2010, 05:38 PM
I've got a good one for you, why not start running self empowerment seminars with a free giveaway bottle of skin bleach - gee that'll solve the problem won't it :glare:
Seems you think the problem is only skin deep - its much deeper than that. Anyway I think part of your idea is already being done - don't WINZ run those kind of seminars?

Realist
18-06-2010, 05:43 PM
I said that because you're the one who said it was related to skin colour.

Here's a translation, your solutions are completely detached from reality and common sense, so the skin bleach idea was my way of mocking your ridiculous suggestions.

minimoke
18-06-2010, 05:49 PM
the skin bleach idea was my way of mocking you[/b]r ridiculous suggestions.
There was me thinking you were being serious! Never mind, always a sign of a losing argument when you have to play the person rather than the ball.

Realist
18-06-2010, 05:55 PM
There was me thinking you were being serious!

So much for your freemarket comprehension, maybe one of those nasty socialist government subsidised courses can help you out there.


Never mind, always a sign of a losing argument when you have to play the person rather than the ball.

And I could resort to generic statements too and say, "always a sign of a losing argument when you have to resort to generic statements" - but I don't.

HarryFlashman
02-07-2010, 12:36 PM
Today's verminous inhabitants of " ..... the safest and most beautiful country in the world ....." .

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10655972

HarryFlashman
07-08-2010, 09:08 AM
Only seven years for this, and no doubt out after 3 ..... unbelievable.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10664262

shasta
07-08-2010, 02:39 PM
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10664193

Read the whole article. ... Just 13 months old ... I think there are some cases that do justify the death penalty. This is one that is dangerously close to that line.

Why does society allow these cowardly scumbags a 2nd chance, i mean that should be a life sentence, no parole

neopoleII
07-08-2010, 04:58 PM
makes you wonder who the real criminal is.........
reading this paragraph.........
"The offender's attack upon the baby, although not attended by an intention to kill or to inflict really serious harm, was brutal," Justice Hidden said.

i wonder what an intention to inflict ""really"" serious harm is?
and what harm the judicial system inflicts on society by this sort of explanation of intent..... and then punishment for such "unintentional harm"

our judges are what will bring our society to its knees.

neopoleII
03-09-2010, 04:50 PM
and this link

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10670894

as i said before...... our judges will bring society to its knees

STRAT
09-10-2010, 06:23 AM
Dont often look at this thread but it seemed like the right place for this religious bigot and his spawn. I nominate him and this family for the award even though a decent old fashoned bashing is what the old bastard really needs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11497828

fungus pudding
21-10-2010, 07:46 PM
That deadbeat bat from the actors' union who is getting up Peter Jackson's nose, needs a rocket. She may well cost hundreds of NZers much needed work; something she seems to be quite proud of. She's a left over from the 1960s when NZ was run by unions.

peat
09-11-2010, 05:07 PM
Every single enterprise Wang has been involved in has been a failure. Every single year these enterprises have failed. They [the companies] have not filed tax returns. Therefore, [we are to assume] they have not made any money," Malarao said.
"There is a real risk that compliant taxpayers will suffer loses at the hands of May Wang."
Malarao said Wang had a strong history of tax avoidance, and that the pattern of the past was repeating itself

brettdale
11-11-2010, 07:56 PM
Yes she is a very choice for scumbag of the day.

peat
12-11-2010, 09:16 AM
and today there is 'Are Some of Ya Foolish'
To get money for the developments, Aryasomayajula filled out mortgage applications in the names of work colleagues and acquaintances.

Scam victim left $600k in debt

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10687052

peat
12-11-2010, 02:06 PM
wong now out of Cabinet

two scumbags in one day!

peat
13-11-2010, 10:48 AM
heh Belg
I almost asked if he was a real NZer too but yeh removed it as in bad taste oops, now I've blown it.

peat
14-11-2010, 11:51 AM
the question probably doesnt deserve an answer but to set the facts straight she is Chinese born and Hong Kong raised. She moved to Christchurch in 1974, where she lived for 28 years, and attended Canterbury University, where she gained her Master of Commerce (Honours) etc http://www.national.org.nz/Bio.aspx?Id=38


she's toast now as the degree of conflict escalates

Heke
14-11-2010, 12:07 PM
In answer to - Is Wong a real New Zealander as well? The answer is a resounding NO!
To understand why, one must realise there are two segments to the Chinese community. The first and most respected segment were those first arrivals that have suffered an aduous boat journey and settled here for over 100 years. They have contributed to the war effort, toiled and supplied produce to the nation. Their descendants have become professionals, doctors, teachers, etc, dedicated and most of them, law abiding citizens. They speak Cantonese as their native language.

Now we have the wave of New Migrants that arrived from about 30 years ago. They came as families by plane. They see opportunities and take advantage every step of the way. They congregate amongst themselves but get involved in the public arena and often make their presence felt in the TV news. Mandarin is their native language.

There is a gulf between the new migrants and the older early settlers.
Wong is not the right person to represent the Chinese community.

As they say, “Cantonese for the heart, Mandarin for the wallet”.

miner
16-11-2010, 04:48 PM
OUCH :-)

DEPORT HER TO NZ!




The Rambo Granny of Melbourne , Australia




Gun-toting granny Ava Estelle, 81, was so ticked-off when two thugs raped her 18-year-old granddaughter that she tracked the unsuspecting ex-cons down... and shot off their testicles.
The old lady spent a week hunting those men down -and, when she found them, she took revenge on them in her own special way, said Melbourne police investigator Evan Delp.


Then she took a taxi to the nearest police station, laid the gun on the sergeant's desk and told him as calm as could be: 'Those bastards will never rape anybody again, by God.'
Cops say convicted rapist and robber Davis Furth, 33, lost both his penis and his testicles when outraged Ava opened fire with a 9-mm pistol in the hotel room where he and former prison cell mate Stanley Thomas, 29, were holed up..


The wrinkled avenger also blew Thomas' testicles to kingdom come, but doctors managed to save his mangled penis, police said. 'The one guy, Thomas, didn't lose his manhood, 'but the doctor I talked to said he won't be using it the way he used to,' Detective Delp told reporters. 'Both men are still in pretty bad shape, 'but I think they're just happy to be alive after what they've been through.'
The Rambo Granny swung into action August 21 after her granddaughter Debbie was carjacked and raped in broad daylight by two knife-wielding creeps in a section of town bordering on skid row...


'When I saw the look on my Debbie's face that night in the hospital, 'I decided I was going to go out and get those bastards myself ''cause I figured the Law would go easy on them,' recalled the retired library worker..'And I wasn't scared of them, either - because I've got me a gun and I've been shootin' all my life. 'And I wasn't dumb enough to turn it in when the law changed about owning one.'

So, using a police artist's sketch of the suspects and Debbie's description of the sickos, tough-as-nails Ava spent seven days prowling the wino-infested neighborhood where the crime took place till she spotted the ill-fated rapists entering their flophouse hotel. 'I knew it was them the minute I saw 'em, but I shot a picture of 'em anyway' and took it back to Debbie and she said sure as hell, it was them,' the oldster recalled . .. . . .


'So I went back to that hotel and found their room and knocked on the door, 'and the minute the big one opened the door, I shot 'em right square between the legs,'right where it would really hurt 'em most, you know. 'Then I went in and shot the other one 'as he backed up pleading to me to spare him.' Then I went down to the police station and turned myself in..'

Now, baffled lawmen are trying to figure out exactly how to deal with the vigilante granny. 'What she did was wrong, and she broke the law, but it is difficult to throw an 81-year-old woman in prison,' Det. Delp said, 'especially when 3 million people in the city want to nominate her for Mayor.'




DEPORT HER TO NEW ZEALAND - WE NEED HER!


Her attitude would be a refreshing change from our totally wimpy judges and would get around all the bottom feeding lawyers.

STRAT
30-11-2010, 10:51 AM
As they say, “Cantonese for the heart, Mandarin for the wallet”.Oh Yeah?:huh:
Who are "they" ?

STRAT
30-11-2010, 10:56 AM
OUCH :-)





DEPORT HER TO NEW ZEALAND - WE NEED HER!


.I have a spare room if she needs some where to stay.:t_up:

Heke
03-12-2010, 01:58 PM
From The Otago Daily Times, Dunedin.

An early-morning smash and grab of two Pike River donation boxes has been labelled reprehensible by police.

The thief smashed a large window at the Dunedin Central branch of The Warehouse in Maclaggan St, before grabbing a number of items, including computer game consoles and two donation boxes.

Proceeds from the donation boxes were for the families of the 29 miners who died in the Pike River mine tragedy last month.

Police were called to the store shortly before 5am, Senior Sergeant Mark Crawford said.

The thief, who was dressed all in black, used a shopping trolley to smash through the window before grabbing the consoles and boxes.

"It is disappointing people stoop so low."

The Warehouse group chief executive Ian Morrice said the company was "very disappointed that two public collection boxes for the Pike River Miners Relief Fund were taken".

"The Warehouse has, as a company, already donated a sum of funds to the individual families of the 29 miners and we have public collection boxes in all of our stores which will go to the Pike Rive Miners Relief Fund."

Police inquiries are continuing.

Phaedrus
21-12-2010, 04:37 PM
Great story Miner - but completely fictitious. The tale of "gun-toting granny" Ava Estelle of Melbourne, Australia began circulating via email in 2000, a couple of years after it was first published in the Weekly World News, an American tabloid famous for its entertaining though factually-challenged content.

shasta
21-12-2010, 04:52 PM
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10695685

Gotta be winners for 2010 if not the decade!

Im with you on that one Belg!

Sick society that allows the abusers to get bail, WTF do gooder bailed them?

If this isnt a case of how some people dont fit & belong in society then this is as bad as it gets, time for the death penalty, or at least preventative detention.

Sterilisation fans will be clogging up the air ways on this for some time i suspect

How on earth do CYPS not know about this stuff, there was previous abuse by the parents & domestics, where is the accountability & prevention alarms?

China has the dealth penalty for a similiar offense

peat
22-12-2010, 09:59 PM
Every single enterprise Wang has been involved in has been a failure. Every single year these enterprises have failed. They [the companies] have not filed tax returns. Therefore, [we are to assume] they have not made any money," Malarao said.
"There is a real risk that compliant taxpayers will suffer loses at the hands of May Wang."
Malarao said Wang had a strong history of tax avoidance, and that the pattern of the past was repeating itself

OIO - ''not of fit character"

minimoke
12-01-2011, 04:22 PM
Hard to know if this should go in this thread or the Kahui thread but here goes.

Todays award goes to a nominee who will no doubt by going for an even larger award.

Kerry Charles Ratana hasn't been charged with the murder of five year old Sahara Jayde Baker-Koro, he's been charged with her sexual violation.

wbosher
13-01-2011, 08:20 AM
Hard to know if this should go in this thread or the Kahui thread but here goes.

Todays award goes to a nominee who will no doubt by going for an even larger award.

Kerry Charles Ratana hasn't been charged with the murder of five year old Sahara Jayde Baker-Koro, he's been charged with her sexual violation.

I can't even put into words what should happen to pieces of s**t like this creep. :mad ;:

wbosher
26-02-2011, 11:07 AM
Any one who is robbing or taking advantage of the Christchurch situation. Jail is too good for you! :mad ;:

Major von Tempsky
04-04-2011, 09:42 AM
So, he was given a free pass into the CBD?

What does that say about concealing assets from the bankruptcy Judge? Who's investigating that and what are they going to do about it?
We read a little while ago how one of his mates was "looking after" one of his luxury cars for him.

What does this say about his hold over the Mayor and Councillors, Town Clerk (whatever his title) Tony Marryatt, CCC officers and Civil Rescue etc?

Is this all the Old Boys network? Freemasons? His funny Asian exercise/religion group that Bob Parker belongs to? It all stinks and it desperately needs to be cleaned up.

craic
30-06-2011, 09:14 AM
A pretty-boy white farmer would not have been stupid enough to turn on the police. And did you see his previous conviction sheet?

minimoke
30-06-2011, 12:41 PM
On outback farms, we used to round up cattle with a plane, motorbikes and jeeps with bullbars. The wildest cattle that we couldn't control, we'd run over with the jeeps. If they got up again they learnt not to chase the bikes, if they didn't get up they died. Meat was obtained by holding down a sheep and sawing through its throat. The guys out there were not so different from your scumbag with the golf clubs and no one got arrested apart from the pilot who got so pissed on one muster he flew into town and was done for flying drunk.

Those days were the "good ole days". Nowadays we are more concerned about the well being of some manky penguin that strayed off course. These do-gooders (like the whale stranding numpties) should read a bit more Darwin.

minimoke
30-06-2011, 04:32 PM
A stranded whale should be on the supermarket shelf by sundown.
Anyone north of Kaikoura with a boat and a gaff may be able to hook themselves a wee humpy. Just look out for the moving cray pot buoy

BIRMANBOY
30-06-2011, 05:06 PM
The rank odour of testosterone has taken over here..pardon me whilst I go back to my preferred activity of knitting wooly jumpers and making a profit in the share market.

George
01-07-2011, 07:29 AM
I don't think Darwin condoned cruelty - quote "Darwin noted that aiding the weak to survive and have families
could lose the benefits of natural selection, but cautioned that withholding such aid would endanger the instinct of sympathy, "the noblest part of our nature", and factors such as education could be more important".

Humans can and should be above cruelty to animals and we also have choice. We don't HAVE to kill animals for food and especially not for sport or so-called roundups. Interesting how some here seem to condone such behaviour and yet condemn others as scumbags!!

BIRMANBOY
01-07-2011, 01:41 PM
Well said George. Sometimes it looks like human evolution has become derailed or forgotten. I suppose empathy and sensitivity can be learnt behaviours but it would be so much simpler if it was learnt at the correct time and place i.e. early family and education. No easy answers there!
I don't think Darwin condoned cruelty - quote "Darwin noted that aiding the weak to survive and have families
could lose the benefits of natural selection, but cautioned that withholding such aid would endanger the instinct of sympathy, "the noblest part of our nature", and factors such as education could be more important".

Humans can and should be above cruelty to animals and we also have choice. We don't HAVE to kill animals for food and especially not for sport or so-called roundups. Interesting how some here seem to condone such behaviour and yet condemn others as scumbags!!

BIRMANBOY
01-07-2011, 02:50 PM
This is wrong on so many levels its hard to know where to start. Firstly, its obviously not inate because otherwise the "scumbag" might have made some more empathetic decisions about his golf swing. Secondly, why would anyone choose to selectively turn on empathy for some but not others? Why not go the distance and apply some empathy towards all things? Lastly, I for one do give a **** about insects, since they are an essential part of the food chain and without them...I would guess that the human race would cease to exist. Opening our minds to look for the inter-related aspects of life is surely the thing that humans should excell at instead of perpetuating the "them" and "us" philosophy.
Ofcourse empathy is inate, you do not learn it. It is part of the process of reproduction and protecting your offspring and those most closely related to you. It is most strong towards those most like and closely related to you. That is why you have more empathy for your family than for other families, more empathy for your race than other races, more empathy for humans than other animals and more empathy for mammals than reptiles, and why no one gives a s**t about insects.

minimoke
01-07-2011, 03:29 PM
Secondly, why would anyone choose to selectively turn on empathy for some but not others?
You're not trying to tell us you have empathy for insects are you? Next, you'll be telling us there's something wrong with enjoying the smell of fried fly as it sits under a magnifying glass on a sunny day!

BIRMANBOY
01-07-2011, 03:39 PM
Minimoke...having seen your pungeant posts previously..I refuse to rise to the bait. Talking about fried fly however reminds me of a favourite Thai delicacy I didnt try...deep fried locusts. Very popular with the locals and ever so crunchy.
You're not trying to tell us you have empathy for insects are you? Next, you'll be telling us there's something wrong with enjoying the smell of fried fly as it sits under a magnifying glass on a sunny day!

minimoke
01-07-2011, 03:59 PM
Minimoke...having seen your pungeant posts previously..I refuse to rise to the bait. Do I get a sense you have selectively turned off your empathy with my views given the tone of my posts?

BIRMANBOY
01-07-2011, 04:07 PM
Not at all. I have great appreciation for your subtle posts..have been very entertaining and long may they continue. You stirrer you!
Do I get a sense you have selectively turned off your empathy with my views given the tone of my posts?

George
01-07-2011, 07:43 PM
Animals have pain receptors just like us. Stick a pin in your pet dog or cat and see what happens. Darwin mentioned education. That guy who killed the pup looked like he was straight out of the jungle/bush and totally uneducated. If all children were raised from here on to have empathy for all living things, I'm sure there would be a lot less 'scumbags'. This is not an argument against eating meat or fish, but some respect shown for the animal would not be out of order.

stanace
01-07-2011, 07:52 PM
I guess its time to say, I think people who catch fish with a hook......... need I say more on this thread?

BIRMANBOY
01-07-2011, 08:49 PM
Well you havent actually said anything!! Do you agree with it or not? Are you saying its inhumane and you dont condone it or are you saying some people are hypocrites?? Or is there something else you dont want to say? Yes please do say more..not mindreaders.
I guess its time to say, I think people who catch fish with a hook......... need I say more on this thread?

BIRMANBOY
02-07-2011, 12:54 PM
Ok, put me on the spot will you.. Minimoke is granted the gift of all an expenses paid 6 months in a Buddhist temple in Myanmar to contemplate the karmic consequences of disregard for life. Your golfing mate is hopefully given some counselling to start him on the road to self awareness. If that doesnt have any positive outcome then next time he contemplates the outcome of lack of empathy, perhaps he will think twice because prison wasnt so hot after all. As for you, Biscuit...dont hit the Gin..it blurs the capacity to see clearly. My favourite quote is, (no loud vomiting please):
To see clearly..one must open ones eyes.
To feel empathy fully..one must open ones heart.
To understand completely...one must open ones mind. Now I'm going back to my knitting.
There you go again BIRMANBOY, not taking the discussion seriously. Put down your knitting and answer this. You are the judge, the case is closed, the jury has found Minimoke guilty of torturing flies. As his attorney, I have done my best, but it hasn't been easy! The defendant's disposition did not help, and then the judge turned out to be an insect lover! I'm just waiting to get out of here and hit the gin. What a bloody day. So, what's it to be? What's the sentence and why? Remember, the prosecution, Belgarion, has asked for life, and in a recent case a man was put away for 18 months for a similar crime. So, what is it??

BIRMANBOY
02-07-2011, 02:46 PM
I'll make a note of your handy "suitability for torture" list and keep it readilly available for the next time I come across a hooning haddock in lambton quay. Whether the golfing enthusiast was shafted I have no idea since I have no details as to the case specifics. Do you have some inside information that there was some element of racism or class bias here? Judges are subject to peer scrutiny, judicial review and trial by Biscuit on a regular basis. I'll go with the judge as being the most likely to make a judicious evaluation of the situation...
In the real world, no one goes to jail for torturing flies. You can pretty much torture anything with a shell or an exoskeleton with impunity. It's not until you get to the vertebrates that you need to be careful. With the lower vertebrates (fish) you are pretty safe. You can kick a live haddock up the main street of any town and slap it to death in front of a policeman, no problem. Move up to the reptiles, and you need to be more wary. Some people, but few, have empathy for lizards. It's not until you get well up into the mammals that you will even see the back seat of a patrol car. Believe me, sentencing is about empathy and empathy, in this context, is about evolutionary biology. The guy with the golf clubs got shafted because, to a middleclass, white judge, he appeared somewhat less evolved than his victim.

BIRMANBOY
02-07-2011, 09:37 PM
Biscuit, you seem to have an unhealthy fixation on the length of this guys all expenses paid holiday. Is there something you are neglecting to tell us? He's your long-lost twin brother? You lent him your favourite golfclub and they are holding it for evidence? The animal was asking for a good kicking?? Not to mention the glaringly obvious insane first statement you make that "a society that condones violence to animals on a wide scale ". Your society might but the vast majority of enlightened indviduals dont condone it. Enough already...let the guy serve his time. You'll get your club back in due course and in the meantime I'll send you an extra voucher for Myanmar so can keep Minimoke company at the dawn prayer service.
Trial by Biscuit is a very good idea, but alas the judiciary are dragging their feet!

A society that condones violence to animals on a wide scale cannot rationally impose a lengthy prison sentence on someone for being violent to an animal, regardless of the specific circumstances.

BIRMANBOY
03-07-2011, 02:41 PM
Not at all Biscuit old boy, the intended recipients are residing in temporary shelter at THE BISCUIT MEMORIAL HOME FOR ORPHANED LAMBS which I hear is presently under construction in central Canterbury. See, underneath that rough biscuity exterior lies the soft, gooey centre...the best Biscuit one coulld hope for...and I do!! :-)
Ok BIRMANBOY, you go back to your knitting. I am sure you feel your karma is intact. But just remember that out there on some cold, windswept Otago hillside, there is a very cold sheep standing in the snow who begrudges you that wool.

POSSUM THE CAT
03-07-2011, 04:04 PM
Dog basher should be sentenced to live in a cage with a dozen Pit Bull dogs for a month & then freed

garman
04-07-2011, 05:00 PM
I think scumbag of the year should be awarded to TV NZ I am sick to death of the bloody cooking programmes master chef etc they are constantly advertising them if they're not doing that they're advertising there other horrible prime program about big fat slovenly people trying to loose weight just about makes me throw up, there news is pathetic compared to TV 3 they go on and on about pathetic news items that aren't even news at least with TV 3 you do see a little overseas news, its been my habit to always watch TV 1 in the mornings which is just bloody rubbish now but have definitely changed to 3 now, what do you guys reckon do I have a point.

minimoke
04-07-2011, 05:17 PM
I think scumbag of the year should be awarded to TV NZ I am sick to death of the bloody cooking programmes master chef etc they are constantly advertising them if they're not doing that they're advertising there other horrible prime program about big fat slovenly people trying to loose weight just about makes me throw up, there news is pathetic compared to TV 3 they go on and on about pathetic news items that aren't even news at least with TV 3 you do see a little overseas news, its been my habit to always watch TV 1 in the mornings which is just bloody rubbish now but have definitely changed to 3 now, what do you guys reckon do I have a point.
Reckon if you're watching the dross on TV you only have yourself to blame. Bit like the Slut March people really - if you don't manage the risk of exposing yourself to unwanted media content and you end up throwing up why would you blame Mark Sainsbuty or John Campbell or the Fat Family for your inability to keep your dinner down.

Kees
05-07-2011, 12:14 AM
For a different point of view check out RT news.

George
05-07-2011, 07:25 PM
You have a point garman, try triangle tv, really interesting programmes at times and makes a nice contrast to the usual.
As most of us are traders/investors, surely the worst scumbags are the financial ones who know what they are doing when they rip their fellow man off ie. bryers, petrovich, that fat property manager woman, the couple taking deposits on fijian holiday homes they don't own, the list goes on.

STRAT
05-07-2011, 11:23 PM
I think scumbag of the year should be awarded to TV NZ I am sick to death of the bloody cooking programmes master chef etc they are constantly advertising them if they're not doing that they're advertising there other horrible prime program about big fat slovenly people trying to loose weight just about makes me throw up, there news is pathetic compared to TV 3 they go on and on about pathetic news items that aren't even news at least with TV 3 you do see a little overseas news, its been my habit to always watch TV 1 in the mornings which is just bloody rubbish now but have definitely changed to 3 now, what do you guys reckon do I have a point.You have a point alright Garman but you left a few off the list.

Shortland St. Guaranteed to make you chuck your lunch.
All fashion shows
NZs next top modelhttp://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/images/smilies/vomit.gif
Any show with an acronym for a name.
Unreal reality TV shows
Cop shows
Hospital showshttp://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/images/smilies/headshake2.gif
TV1, TV2 and TV3 all 45% adds and 55% chit.http://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/images/smilies/bad.gif

Best leave the box turned off I reckon