Scumbag of the day award [Archive]

Placebo

03-02-2009, 09:53 AM

Well Twinkletwit was on a crusade but he may have been onto something with his posting of various crime stories - they ain't hard to come by.

So I thought, why not institute a Scumbag of the Day award? If we have repeat appearances, we could award an annual title at the end of 09.

To start the ball rolling I name Social Development Minister Paula Bennett. Paula's award is for giving sanctuary to South Auckland gangster Viliami Halaholo. This criminal is the boyfriend of Bennett's 21 year old daughter and the father of her child. Bennett wrote not one, but two letters to the sentencing judge and Parole Board, obviously trying to use her position to influence them. Thankfully they saw through all that and gave the guy 4 years in the big house.

She then lied to her boss, John Key, saying there had never been any correspondence from her about Halaholo.

So for supporting criminal gangsters, and telling porkies about it, Paula Bennett is our first Scumbag of the Day.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10554862

fungus pudding

03-02-2009, 10:05 AM

Well Twinkletwit was on a crusade but he may have been onto something with his posting of various crime stories - they ain't hard to come by.

So I thought, why not institute a Scumbag of the Day award? If we have repeat appearances, we could award an annual title at the end of 09.

To start the ball rolling I name Social Development Minister Paula Collins. Paula's award is for giving sanctuary to South Auckland gangster Viliami Halaholo. This criminal is the boyfriend of Collins' 21 year old daughter and the father of her child. Collins wrote not one, but two letters to the sentencing judge and Parole Board, obviously trying to use her position to influence them. Thankfully they saw through all that and gave the guy 4 years in the big house.

She then lied to her boss, John Key, saying there had never been any correspondence from her about Halaholo.

So for supporting criminal gangsters, and telling porkies about it, Paula Collins is our first Scumbag of the Day.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10554862

There doesn't seem to be anyone named Paula Collins in a ministerial role.

peat

03-02-2009, 10:24 AM

lol at the weasel words by her (to him) and now him (to us)

Yankiwi

03-02-2009, 10:31 AM

Well Twinkletwit was on a crusade......

LMAO Twinkletwit! :D

minimoke

03-02-2009, 10:56 AM

There doesn't seem to be anyone named Paula Collins in a ministerial role.
Its Paula Bennet but Placebo will edit. Shes a Westie so chance are she'll get the award again.

Placebo

03-02-2009, 11:35 AM

Whoops on my behalf, that'll teach me for reading the Dominion's headlines!

Their story is headlined `Collins did not mislead Key', and even the mugshot is titled `Paula Collins'.

I apologise to Paula Bennett for any offence. Your award is well-deserved and I did not intend to mistakenly give it to Paula Collins (whoever she is). :D

fungus pudding

03-02-2009, 11:39 AM

Placebo

03-02-2009, 11:44 AM

She isn't. She's Judith.

So is the picture of Paula Bennett or Judith Collins? I wouldn't know her from a bar of soap.

In any case, Tony English, Bill Smith, crikey they are all the same aren't they... :D

minimoke

03-02-2009, 11:47 AM

Whoops on my behalf, that'll teach me for reading the Dominion's headlines!

And just another reason why I don’t believe all that is written in the papers. But the confusion is understandable. They are both after all National MPs and they are in government – something the reporter hasn’t quite got their heads around yet. They are both women so perhaps a little hard to distinguish one from the other. Now we just have to sit back and wait for the confusion between Paula Bennett and David Bennett.

Placebo

03-02-2009, 01:10 PM

For the avoidance of future doubt, Judith Collins (the Minister of Corrections, Police and Veterans Affairs) looks like this:
http://www.national.org.nz/images/people/30_Large.jpg

And Paula Bennett, scumbag of the day for 3 February 2009 looks like this:

http://www.national.org.nz/images/people/2668_Large.jpg

Nevl

03-02-2009, 01:53 PM

Actually Paula is not the scumbag but she does support scumbags. Does this make her a scumbag as well?

If so then is that true of those that support Terrorists?

Anyway bad show from her for basically aiding and abetting this guy in his chosen life and hopefully Judith and a few others can point out the stupidity of this. By supporting these guys you just make it ok for them to think that what they are doing is ok.

National has to get serious about this. The dithering over the Boy Racer issue is not filling me with confidence at the moment.

hiawatha

03-02-2009, 04:32 PM

Nevl

03-02-2009, 04:49 PM

"Aiding and abetting"?
What was she doing? Driving the getaway car, perhaps? Or handing him the cosh that he was about to use in a mugging?
hiawatha

Encouraging him to think thats hes ok
Letting him in her house.
Supporting him(her own words)
Giving him a safe place to come after he had finished his bashing and fighting
Feeding him
Refusing to tell him that he's a piece of crap that he (and everyone else) would be better off if he killed himself.

You know, basically being the support structure for the person that he is. Once again it is up to the people around these scumbags to tell them that they are wrong and to ostracise them. Make sure that the courts know what they are really like and encourage judges to give them maximum sentences and keep them off the streets for as long as possible. Simple really

Skol

03-02-2009, 05:31 PM

We might not agree on the nuclear energy deal Nevl but we certainly agree on that one.

Nevl

03-02-2009, 06:57 PM

We might not agree on the nuclear energy deal Nevl but we certainly agree on that one.

yeah being getting worried about the nuclear energy one as well since Belgarion and Hiawatha also agree with me. Still I will wait for fusion power before i convert to nuclear. Having said that we could store used reactor material in our prisons with the crims deep underground in the middle of the Aussie outback. After all it was Bob Hawke who said Aussie best use is as a nuclear waste dump.Also the way the Aussie's behaved in the cricket they are a close second for scumbags of the day. Brad the Cad joins Dyer the Lair.

Skol

03-02-2009, 07:23 PM

yeah being getting worried about the nuclear energy one as well since Belgarion and Hiawatha also agree with me.

belgarion and hiawatha are the most PC posters on this forum, they might agree with you over nuclear but they won't agree with you over making the scumbags work in the nuclear waste dump, which is the perfect place for them

Nevl

03-02-2009, 08:12 PM

belgarion and hiawatha are the most PC posters on this forum, they might agree with you over nuclear but they won't agree with you over making the scumbags work in the nuclear waste dump, which is the perfect place for them

I know. They would prefer decent hardworking people to do it rather than crim scum who deserve it.

hiawatha

03-02-2009, 08:51 PM

Encouraging him to think thats hes ok
Letting him in her house.
Supporting him(her own words)
Giving him a safe place to come after he had finished his bashing and fighting
Feeding him
Refusing to tell him that he's a piece of crap that he (and everyone else) would be better off if he killed himself.

You know, basically being the support structure for the person that he is. Once again it is up to the people around these scumbags to tell them that they are wrong and to ostracise them. Make sure that the courts know what they are really like and encourage judges to give them maximum sentences and keep them off the streets for as long as possible. Simple really

She was probably just unwilling to cast the first stone.
hiawatha

shasta

03-02-2009, 09:13 PM

She was probably just unwilling to cast the first stone.
hiawatha

I'm surprised you haven't started blaming the National Govt of the 1990's for his problems.

In this age of "no responsibility" it can't be his fault aye?

He's probably disenchanted that "his people" had there land stolen :D

hiawatha

03-02-2009, 09:34 PM

I'm surprised you haven't started blaming the National Govt of the 1990's for his problems.

In this age of "no responsibility" it can't be his fault aye?

He's probably disenchanted that "his people" had there land stolen :D

I don't blame the 1990's National government for his problems, I blame them for yours.
hiawatha

shasta

03-02-2009, 09:43 PM

I don't blame the 1990's National government for his problems, I blame them for yours.
hiawatha

Perhaps you should offer to house this "individual" on his release...

You're a bleeding heart socialist (aka "communist" in disguise)

hiawatha

03-02-2009, 10:01 PM

Perhaps you should offer to house this "individual" on his release...

You're a bleeding heart socialist (aka "communist" in disguise)

Have you been to the movies lately?
As one who is prone to getting hung up on so called "kiddy fiddlers" (your term, not mine), go and see the movie Doubt. It may broaden your mind.
hiawatha

Nevl

03-02-2009, 10:03 PM

Perhaps you should offer to house this "individual" on his release...

You're a bleeding heart socialist (aka "communist" in disguise)

I have always thought that it would be a good idea to make the Lawyers who defend these guys and basically lie about them to have them live in their house on release. Each Lawyer could have a halfway house placed right next door to them so that they can show that they really mean what they say in court. They should have to share the risk with the rest of society.

The legal principal of innocent till proven guilty is great but the opposite works in France where you are guilty till proven innocent so it would be a simple matter to change it.

I am also keen to see a change where if you are in the process of breaking the law then you should have no legal protection. Something like the castle law from Texas.

AMR

03-02-2009, 10:11 PM

A lot of people have the weird idea that "love", "support" and "being there" for a man will reform him and change his ways.

It doesn't. Her daughter should have left him when he went to the slammer.

hiawatha

03-02-2009, 10:24 PM

A lot of people have the weird idea that "love", "support" and "being there" for a man will reform him and change his ways.

It doesn't. Her daughter should have left him when he went to the slammer.

Oh? How do you know?
hiawatha

Nevl

03-02-2009, 10:45 PM

Oh? How do you know?
hiawatha

cos it doesn't look at the Rehabilitation figures!!!!!!!! It doesn't work!!!! No matter how good the support network and all that crap is. Lets use the money on deserving cases. Kids with cancer and the intelectually handicapped. Not on phyiscally and mentally fit people who choose to make life miserable for the rest of society.

hiawatha

03-02-2009, 10:55 PM

cos it doesn't look at the Rehabilitation figures!!!!!!!! It doesn't work!!!! No matter how good the support network and all that crap is. Lets use the money on deserving cases. Kids with cancer and the intelectually handicapped. Not on phyiscally and mentally fit people who choose to make life miserable for the rest of society.

There are probably some for whom it doesn't work... and there are probably some for whom it does. You're prejudging her particular situation. You don't know whether it will work in her particular case. She has the right to try.
hiawatha

Nevl

04-02-2009, 07:08 AM

There are probably some for whom it doesn't work... and there are probably some for whom it does. You're prejudging her particular situation. You don't know whether it will work in her particular case. She has the right to try.
hiawatha

no she doesn't. People who try are putting public saftey at risk. They are promoting crime as an acceptable thing and absolving the crims of their sins. They are placing the public in harms way and are culpable in every further crime that that person commits.

minimoke

04-02-2009, 08:26 AM

So to today’s nomination. The media call them “Bonny and Clyde”. I prefer “Piece of Sh*t 1” and “Piece of Sh*2” but that doesn’t sound sexy enough to sell a newspaper.

The pair face six charges each, including theft, firing a weapon at police and failing to stop for police, after a police chase on Monday before ending near Palmerston in Otago.

The three-year-old and a one-year-old the pair had with them are in Child, Youth and Family custody.

More of the story here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/thepress/4837026a24035.html

Placebo

04-02-2009, 09:17 AM

Year of the Tiger

04-02-2009, 09:47 AM

Boys, boys, you miss the point. Paula gets the award not JUST because she has harboured and fed and defended a crim. She gets it because she wrote letters trying to bully the sentencing judge and parole board (playing the `I am an MP card') and then misled her boss over it.

Parole Letter.doc (doc, 27 Kb)
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddwgxsws_204g8q9b83s (http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddwgxsws_204g8q9b83s)

Sentencing Letter.doc (doc, 30 Kb)
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddwgxsws_203gdd8wbfq (http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddwgxsws_203gdd8wbfq)

For the life of me, I can't read into these letters the claim of "trying to bully the sentencing judge and parole board"

IMHO, she was being honest in disclosing her links to the govt, and in fact I believe her own words say it all.

"I am a Member of Parliament but mention this only to qualify who I am and because to omit this fact seems in itself to be dishonest."

I guess we all have the ability to see figures lurking in the shadows when it suits us.

YOTT

hiawatha

04-02-2009, 10:03 AM

Boys, boys, you miss the point. Paula gets the award not JUST because she has harboured and fed and defended a crim. She gets it because she wrote letters trying to bully the sentencing judge and parole board (playing the `I am an MP card') and then misled her boss over it.

Anyway, moving right along.

Thanks Minimoke for that early nomination. However, I would like to put forward the 2008 defending champions of Scumbags of the Year, the Curtis brothers Michael and Wiremu. Today they are up for sentencing for the torture and murder of little Nia Glassie, the crime that shocked a nation.

My money's on 25 years non-parole.

I don't think she tried to "bully" anyone. She wrote in support of a parole application, and in her capacity as a private citizen, not as an MP.
hiawatha

minimoke

04-02-2009, 10:11 AM

However, I would like to put forward the 2008 defending champions of Scumbags of the Year, the Curtis brothers Michael and Wiremu. Today they are up for sentencing for the torture and murder of little Nia Glassie, the crime that shocked a nation.

Not a bad idea but isn’t that either double dipping or double jeopardy. Worthy recipients as they might be they have already had their day in the spot light. Also they did succeed in breaking one life cycle, sad as it might be, Nia will no longer have to be brought up in that neighbourhood of fellow pieces of sh*t.

Whereas my nominees still have two legacies, now in CYF care who will no doubt grow to be scumbags in the future. My nominees are nurturing recipients for the future – whereas the bros killed off their opportunity for a continued cycle of shame.

Placebo

04-02-2009, 11:48 AM

I don't think she tried to "bully" anyone. She wrote in support of a parole application, and in her capacity as a private citizen, not as an MP.
hiawatha

Ahhh come off it! She is never a private citizen - she is an elected representative of the people. There is no way a sitting MP can ever claim to be "a private citizen". I can't believe you buy that claptrap. As soon as you are elected you are a public person. Stating her position in this way, no matter how she tries to dress it up, is an attempt to stand-over those she is writing to.

Placebo

04-02-2009, 11:52 AM

Not a bad idea but isn’t that either double dipping or double jeopardy. Worthy recipients as they might be they have already had their day in the spot light. Also they did succeed in breaking one life cycle, sad as it might be, Nia will no longer have to be brought up in that neighbourhood of fellow pieces of sh*t.

Whereas my nominees still have two legacies, now in CYF care who will no doubt grow to be scumbags in the future. My nominees are nurturing recipients for the future – whereas the bros killed off their opportunity for a continued cycle of shame.

Well I guess I haven't defined the rules and we can have two winners. Or in this case, four. But I think you are being wildly optimistic about the future of the Curtis boys and their partners in crime. If there is one truism about this type of person it is that as well as being hopeless criminals they can't control their fertility. Just look at Chris Kahui. No sooner is he acquitted than he's banging the pastor's daughter and got her up the duff.

You can guarantee that the Curtis boys and Lisa Kuka and Oriwa Kemp and their ilk will be having plenty more kids to (as you put it) continue the cycle of shame.

hiawatha

04-02-2009, 12:46 PM

Ahhh come off it! She is never a private citizen - she is an elected representative of the people. There is no way a sitting MP can ever claim to be "a private citizen". I can't believe you buy that claptrap. As soon as you are elected you are a public person. Stating her position in this way, no matter how she tries to dress it up, is an attempt to stand-over those she is writing to.

It would be a pretty poor show if being an MP deprived her of the rights that an ordinary citizen enjoys. But I don't think it does. Otherwise how could she help her own family when she sees the need?
hiawatha

minimoke

04-02-2009, 02:36 PM

You can guarantee that the Curtis boys and Lisa Kuka and Oriwa Kemp and their ilk will be having plenty more kids to (as you put it) continue the cycle of shame.
Yes – you are probably right. They got 17.5 years which means they will be out breeding in their 40’s.

Placebo

04-02-2009, 03:26 PM

Yes – you are probably right. They got 17.5 years which means they will be out breeding in their 40’s.

That's just the Curtis pair. Pearson will be out by the end of 2010. The mother, Kuka, will get 10 years.

Guess I'd make a lousy judge. :(

Placebo

04-02-2009, 03:35 PM

Update: Kuka got 9 years, not 10.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10555092&pnum=2

Sorry Minimoke but your Timaru pair don't have a patch (excuse the pun) on this mob (ditto). The Curtises and their human flotsam around them are truly the lowest of the low. I bet even Hiawatha won't defend them.

Dr_Who

04-02-2009, 03:51 PM

Chop off these scumbags nuts before throwing them in jail. :confused::mad:

minimoke

04-02-2009, 06:19 PM

Sorry Minimoke but your Timaru pair don't have a patch (excuse the pun) on this mob (ditto). The Curtises and their human flotsam around them are truly the lowest of the low.
I think “scumbag” is too generous a description for these people so I appeal to the Ref that they be disqualified for today’s award.

shasta

04-02-2009, 06:30 PM

I think “scumbag” is too generous a description for these people so I appeal to the Ref that they be disqualified for today’s award.

I agree, those gutless cowards should never be set free.

Why let them out, when in there 40's they will be harden criminals, & a product of the "prison system".

Anyone who thinks they will be rehabilitated inside & won't re-offend on release, probably was put in a dryer themselves :rolleyes:

I say it's time to remove such "human waste" from society.

Year of the Tiger

04-02-2009, 06:56 PM

I think “scumbag” is too generous a description for these people so I appeal to the Ref that they be disqualified for today’s award.

Ok, some serious analysis has taken place here. What do we call these guys (and gals) who seem to have embedded themselves into the human fabric of our society?

I hear "gutless coward", "human flotsam", "human waste", along with a raft of other descriptive nouns, e.g.

scum⋅bag
/ˈskʌmˌbæg/Show Spelled Pronunciation [skuhm-bag] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Slang: Vulgar.
1. a condom.
2. a mean, despicable person.

low⋅life
/ˈloʊˌlaɪf/Show Spelled Pronunciation [loh-lahyf] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -lifes.
a despicable person, esp. a degenerate or immoral person.

dross (drŏs, drôs) Pronunciation Key (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html)
n.
1.Waste or impure matter: discarded the dross after recycling the wood pulp.
2.The scum that forms on the surface of molten metal as a result of oxidation.
3.Worthless, commonplace, or trivial matter: "He was wide-awake and his mind worked clearly, purged of all dross" (Vladimir Nabokov).

I think we can do better than this. The behaviour and actions of some of our felllow kiwis is unprecedented and as a result, we don't have a truly endemic handle that we can ascribe to these criminals.

So here is the challenge. What label to we pin on these creatures so that they can be and forever will be known as:

"someone who ripped the life and soul from a beautiful little person who will never grow up to form their own opinions on what is right and what is wrong"

YOTT

Skol

04-02-2009, 08:03 PM

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but the Nia Glassie murderers were maori, right?

Only a few days ago Tariana Turia declared it a national disgrace and a national emergency that maoris were living less than other races.

I emailed Turia and told her that there was no national emergency, that it was simply an ongoing saga,

drugs,
child abuse,
alcohol,
crime,
violence,
imprisonment,
sexual abuse,
poor diet,
ad infinitum.

No reply of course.

Here's the rub.

About a week later, Turia declared she was 'devastated' to find she had diabetes, the result of poor diet and obesity.

Yankiwi

04-02-2009, 08:41 PM

So here is the challenge. What label to we pin on these creatures so that they can be and forever will be known as:

"someone who ripped the life and soul from a beautiful little person who will never grow up to form their own opinions on what is right and what is wrong"

YOTT

It's beyond me how someone who could act in such an evil, almost lifeless manner towards a child. A word to label them, at least to my knowledge, doesn't yet exist.

To call them human is simply a lie. I suggest the use of a new word to best describe their subspecies - "homoexcrement"

Year of the Tiger

04-02-2009, 09:11 PM

It's beyond me how someone who could act in such an evil, almost lifeless manner towards a child. A word to label them, at least to my knowledge, doesn't yet exist.

To call them human is simply a lie. I suggest the use of a new word to best describe their subspecies - "homoexcrement"

A great start:

Ho⋅mo /ˈhoʊhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngmoʊ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.html) [hoh-moh] Show IPA Pronunciation http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/Spell_pron_key.html)

–noun
1.(italicshttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png) the genus of bipedal primates that includes modern humans and several extinct forms, distinguished by their large brains and a dependence upon tools. Compare archaic Homo. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=archaic%20Homo&db=luna)

ex⋅cre⋅ment /ˈɛkhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngskrəhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngmənt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.html) [ek-skruh-muhhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngnt] Show IPA Pronunciation http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/Spell_pron_key.html)
–noun waste matter discharged from the body, esp. feces.

I have a bit of concern about the "large brains". Maybe it's a case of the lights are on but there's no one home...

Any more suggestions?

By the way, sorry, I don't mean to hijack the thread.

YOTT

STRAT

05-02-2009, 07:14 AM

So here is the challenge. What label to we pin on these creatures so that they can be and forever will be known as:

"someone who ripped the life and soul from a beautiful little person who will never grow up to form their own opinions on what is right and what is wrong"

YOTTFrom what Ive seen in my life time YOTT, human would be the perfect word. No other species would be so cruel. Well, cats maybe. When you get down to it all of us offended by the stuff on this thread are just the better half of a pretty lousy species.

Placebo

05-02-2009, 09:20 AM

From what Ive seen in my life time YOTT, human would be the perfect word. No other species would be so cruel. Well, cats maybe. When you get down to it all of us offended by the stuff on this thread are just the better half of a pretty lousy species.

Are we really, Strat? Scratch the surface, are there really that many differences between `good' and `bad' people. I'm sure there have been books & movies that have posed the question - what happens when you put a good person in a bad situation. These can be funny (Trading Places); one of the best would be Falling Down, the MIchael Douglas movie when a series of incidents sends him into a spiral into crime...

Maybe we should just call them what I tell the kids - they are `bad people'. Kids understand that.

Anyway, onward and upward.

Today's award goes to Antonie Ronni Dixon, who has actually done society a favour and topped himself in jail. Dixon went on a P-fuelled rampage in 2003, chopping off the hands of 2 women with a samurai sword, stealing a car then shooting dead James Te Aute in Auckland.

He'd more recently been in the news for attacking his lawyer, Auckland bleeding heart criminal defender Barry Hart.

Good riddance to scumbag of the day, Antonie Dixon.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4838288a11.html

shasta

05-02-2009, 09:35 AM

Are we really, Strat? Scratch the surface, are there really that many differences between `good' and `bad' people. I'm sure there have been books & movies that have posed the question - what happens when you put a good person in a bad situation. These can be funny (Trading Places); one of the best would be Falling Down, the MIchael Douglas movie when a series of incidents sends him into a spiral into crime...

Maybe we should just call them what I tell the kids - they are `bad people'. Kids understand that.

Anyway, onward and upward.

Today's award goes to Antonie Ronni Dixon, who has actually done society a favour and topped himself in jail. Dixon went on a P-fuelled rampage in 2003, chopping off the hands of 2 women with a samurai sword, stealing a car then shooting dead James Te Aute in Auckland.

He'd more recently been in the news for attacking his lawyer, Auckland bleeding heart criminal defender Barry Hart.

Good riddance to scumbag of the day, Antonie Dixon.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4838288a11.html

He's done his bit for the NZ recession, & reduced the taxpayers cost of housing the ever increasing numbers of scumbag criminals.

Good riddance to society's human waste :D

minimoke

05-02-2009, 09:53 AM

Today's award goes to Antonie Ronni Dixon,
Not sure about your selection again Placebo. Dixon was a scumbag for pretty much most his life but today he has done society a favour and for that he should be commended. The only pity is that this didn’t happen 10 – 15 years ago.

My nomination goes to Tania Tawa. Not satisfied with 10 kids she is now incubating no 11. Shes doing well to give the unborn the worst possible start in life – consumption of a dozen beer. That may not be so bad but she then decided to drive and got caught DIC. So she’s now locked up for 6 months leaving her other offspring without a mum for a while. No surprise its her 3rd conviction in 4 years and her bleeding heart lawyer got down on bended knees pleading on humanitarian grounds to keep her in the community.

shasta

05-02-2009, 10:00 AM

Not sure about your selection again Placebo. Dixon was a scumbag for pretty much most his life but today he has done society a favour and for that he should be commended. The only pity is that this didn’t happen 10 – 15 years ago.

My nomination goes to Tania Tawa. Not satisfied with 10 kids she is now incubating no 11. Shes doing well to give the unborn the worst possible start in life – consumption of a dozen beer. That may not be so bad but she then decided to drive and got caught DIC. So she’s now locked up for 6 months leaving her other offspring without a mum for a while. No surprise its her 3rd conviction in 4 years and her bleeding heart lawyer got down on bended knees pleading on humanitarian grounds to keep her in the community.

That's disgusting, have you got a link for that story, i'd like to read it

Thanks

minimoke

05-02-2009, 10:09 AM

That's disgusting, have you got a link for that story, i'd like to read it

Thanks
Try this: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4838160a11.html

Dr_Who

05-02-2009, 10:09 AM

When are we bringing back the death penalty? Also would like to see harsher sentences. Life should be at least 30-40 years.

National should keep their promise and implement the changes asap.

Placebo

05-02-2009, 10:10 AM

Not sure about your selection again Placebo. Dixon was a scumbag for pretty much most his life but today he has done society a favour and for that he should be commended. The only pity is that this didn’t happen 10 – 15 years ago.

My nomination goes to Tania Tawa. Not satisfied with 10 kids she is now incubating no 11. Shes doing well to give the unborn the worst possible start in life – consumption of a dozen beer. That may not be so bad but she then decided to drive and got caught DIC. So she’s now locked up for 6 months leaving her other offspring without a mum for a while. No surprise its her 3rd conviction in 4 years and her bleeding heart lawyer got down on bended knees pleading on humanitarian grounds to keep her in the community.

Errr, who said this was a democracy? :D

I'm sure, if he were here to say so, Antonie Dixon would be happy to share his award. But he's not. Hooray!

Agree with Shasta, would like to read the story. Was this another Northland special?

Nevl

05-02-2009, 10:18 AM

Errr, who said this was a democracy? :D

I'm sure, if he were here to say so, Antonie Dixon would be happy to share his award. But he's not. Hooray!

Agree with Shasta, would like to read the story. Was this another Northland special?

Haha no its Waitara. Tariana's hometown and it seems to always be in the news for this type of thing!! Wallace, gang fights and too many other things to mention. Now thats a town that we should export to Aussie.

Skol

05-02-2009, 11:04 AM

[QUOTE=Placebo;242523]Good riddance to scumbag of the day, Antonie Dixon.

Yeah, one less, maybe we can encourage more of them to do it.
William Bell is one less scumbag I'd really like to see in a box.

shasta

05-02-2009, 12:00 PM

Try this: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4838160a11.html

Cheers

We need a license to drive, shoot a gun, own a dog, yet are able to breed & allow the state to pay for it?

Interesting only 3 of her 10 children are with her, although 2 or 3 will be old enough to have left home?

Should really have a poll on how many different fathers there were :D

shasta

05-02-2009, 12:05 PM

When are we bringing back the death penalty? Also would like to see harsher sentences. Life should be at least 30-40 years.

National should keep their promise and implement the changes asap.

You will find the "hard line on crime" approach was that of ACT's not Nationals, & National weren't happy with all of ACT's ideals.

It's the judges that don't pass tougher sentences, Phil Goff some time ago reinforced to judges to use the tougher sentences they had been given the ability to hand down, especially regarding preventative detention...

The judges in NZ seem to be totally out of touch with what the general public thinks :confused:

PS, Dr check out my post on the ACT - Election thread re David Garrett's view on crime

minimoke

05-02-2009, 12:05 PM

C

Should really have a poll on how many different fathers there were :D
17 or is this a bit low?

Year of the Tiger

05-02-2009, 12:07 PM

[quote=Placebo;242523]Good riddance to scumbag of the day, Antonie Dixon.

Yeah, one less, maybe we can encourage more of them to do it.
William Bell is one less scumbag I'd really like to see in a box.

Wasn't Dixon the one who did a bit of eye gouging of William Bell, putting him into hospital for a few days...?

My Mum always says that these guys should all be put into a single cell to share and then the survivor should be shot...:o

YOTT

shasta

05-02-2009, 06:09 PM

[quote=Skol;242558]

Wasn't Dixon the one who did a bit of eye gouging of William Bell, putting him into hospital for a few days...?

My Mum always says that these guys should all be put into a single cell to share and then the survivor should be shot...:o

YOTT

If they wipe each other out, prison guards should turn a blind eye.

Like a gang shooting, the more they wipe out of each other the better...

Oops, this will upset Hiawatha who supports these low life scum bags...

Barry Hart gets my vote for scumbag of the day, Dixon kills himself & Hart starts ranting that the system failed him?

Hmmm perhaps if he NEVER entered the system by shooting an innocent bystander 10 times in the back & cutting two womens hands off (or just about).

But as Hiawatha will come on & say, us good law abiding folk drove him to "P", it simply can't be HIS fault aye?

STRAT

05-02-2009, 06:32 PM

Are we really, Strat? Scratch the surface, are there really that many differences between `good' and `bad' people. I'm sure there have been books & movies that have posed the question - what happens when you put a good person in a bad situation. These can be funny (Trading Places); one of the best would be Falling Down, the MIchael Douglas movie when a series of incidents sends him into a spiral into crime...

Maybe we should just call them what I tell the kids - they are `bad people'. Kids understand that.

Anyway, onward and upward.

Today's award goes to Antonie Ronni Dixon, who has actually done society a favour and topped himself in jail. Dixon went on a P-fuelled rampage in 2003, chopping off the hands of 2 women with a samurai sword, stealing a car then shooting dead James Te Aute in Auckland.

He'd more recently been in the news for attacking his lawyer, Auckland bleeding heart criminal defender Barry Hart.

Good riddance to scumbag of the day, Antonie Dixon.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4838288a11.html

Hi Placebo. Are we really what? Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me. If we are all the same other than circumstance then whats the point to this thread? My point only was that perhaps the meanings of the words human and inhumane should be reversed. Loved and really identified with the movie Falling Down. But for circumstances that could be me on just about any day lol.

Year of the Tiger

05-02-2009, 06:51 PM

If they wipe each other out, prison guards should turn a blind eye.

"A prison source told NZPA Dixon had suffered head and neck injuries when he struck his head on his cell bars."

I don't know if I'm reading something into this that is way off base, but can someone tell me how anyone could strike his head on his cell bars, to such a degree that he killed himself, without anyone cottoning on to what was happening?

I can understand if someone was home alone and decided to pulverize their head and neck by whacking it against a solid object until they sustained fatal injuries.

But in a maximum security prison, where there has been rumblings that the guy was mentally just a tad off centre, I find it difficult to believe that somebody, anybody didn't hear anything until he was obviously very quiet. Reason being, he was dead!!

I think that maybe, Shasta, there is a bit of a "blind eye" attitude going on out at Paremoremo. And it doesn't bother me one bit.

Look at how much taxpayer money will now be saved. Cruel? Heartless? You betcha.

I would like to see lifers given a gift pack when they start their lag.

1. A length of rope
2. A "how to" instruction leaflet
3. a fatal dose of cyanide (in case the rope doesn't have much appeal).

All cells should have a metal ring or hook firmly attached to the ceiling.

If they can resist the temptation to commit harikari for maybe 17 years or so, then maybe, just maybe there is a chance of rehabilitation.

YOTT

shasta

05-02-2009, 06:56 PM

"A prison source told NZPA Dixon had suffered head and neck injuries when he struck his head on his cell bars."

I don't know if I'm reading something into this that is way off base, but can someone tell me how anyone could strike his head on his cell bars, to such a degree that he killed himself, without anyone cottoning on to what was happening?

I can understand if someone was home alone and decided to pulverize their head and neck by whacking it against a solid object until they sustained fatal injuries.

But in a maximum security prison, where there has been rumblings that the guy was mentally just a tad off centre, I find it difficult to believe that somebody, anybody didn't hear anything until he was obviously very quiet. Reason being, he was dead!!

I think that maybe, Shasta, there is a bit of a "blind eye" attitude going on out at Paremoremo. And it doesn't bother me one bit.

Look at how much taxpayer money will now be saved. Cruel? Heartless? You betcha.

I would like to see lifers given a gift pack when they start their lag.

1. A length of rope
2. A "how to" instruction leaflet
3. a fatal dose of cyanide (in case the rope doesn't have much appeal).

All cells should have a metal ring or hook firmly attached to the ceiling.

If they can resist the temptation to commit harikari for maybe 17 years or so, then maybe, just maybe there is a chance of rehabilitation.

YOTT

Dixon was in the high risk wing, under suicide watch, he fained mental illness to try & get off his murder charge...

He was psychotic, but that alone doesn't qualify as a mental illness (& trust me i would know!)

I'd like to see the cyanide added to there food :D

STRAT

05-02-2009, 06:56 PM

"A prison source told NZPA Dixon had suffered head and neck injuries when he struck his head on his cell bars."

I don't know if I'm reading something into this that is way off base, but can someone tell me how anyone could strike his head on his cell bars, to such a degree that he killed himself, without anyone cottoning on to what was happening?

I can understand if someone was home alone and decided to pulverize their head and neck by whacking it against a solid object until they sustained fatal injuries.

But in a maximum security prison, where there has been rumblings that the guy was mentally just a tad off centre, I find it difficult to believe that somebody, anybody didn't hear anything until he was obviously very quiet. Reason being, he was dead!!

I think that maybe, Shasta, there is a bit of a "blind eye" attitude going on out at Paremoremo. And it doesn't bother me one bit.

Look at how much taxpayer money will now be saved. Cruel? Heartless? You betcha.

I would like to see lifers given a gift pack when they start their lag.

1. A length of rope
2. A "how to" instruction leaflet
3. a fatal dose of cyanide (in case the rope doesn't have much appeal).

All cells should have a metal ring or hook firmly attached to the ceiling.

If they can resist the temptation to commit harikari for maybe 17 years or so, then maybe, just maybe there is a chance of rehabilitation.

YOTT

There is of course also the possibility that he had assistance moving his head back and forth.

shasta

05-02-2009, 06:57 PM

There is of course also the possibility that he had assistance moving his head back and forth.

He was in a cell alone - suicide watch cells only ever have 1 person in them.

If a guard did it, someone nominate him for an MBE ;)

STRAT

05-02-2009, 07:06 PM

He was in a cell alone - suicide watch cells only ever have 1 person in them.

If a guard did it, someone nominate him for an MBE ;)

suicide watch eh? Perhaps there are similarities here in terms of meaning with human and inhumane :DClearly wasnt a lot of watching going on

shasta

05-02-2009, 07:17 PM

suicide watch eh? Perhaps there are similarities here in terms of meaning with human and inhumane :DClearly wasnt a lot of watching going on

The taxpayer doesn't fund a full time "nanny" for these high risk prisoners.

If they really wanna kill theselves, there's not much you can do...

I like YOTT's idea, give them the rope/kit, the instructions & some encouragement to do the decent thing.

Can't wait for ACT's policies to get the green light in a couple of weeks

Year of the Tiger

05-02-2009, 07:23 PM

What exactly is suicide watch.....??

Does it focus on prevention or does it just ensure they complete the job properly? :D

(Note: This is tongue in cheek so don't start trying to explain to me the in depth process involved of protecting prisoners from themselves)

YOTT

Nevl

05-02-2009, 07:24 PM

Suicide watch according to the news means being checked every 15 mins

Just saw Barry Hart his lawyer on the news. What a horrible man!!! Just gave me the creeps listening to him. Talked about what a wonderful person Dixon was and his great sense of humour. His final smirk as he signed off was just gross.

My vote for scumbag of the day. I wonder if there is a list of clients that he has got off and the amount of crimes that they have committed.

Year of the Tiger

05-02-2009, 07:36 PM

I wonder if there is a list of clients that he has got off and the amount of crimes that they have committed.

Well fortunately Dixon was not one of his successes.

I saw the interview as well and my first thought was that the cash cow is threatening to dry off so he is demanding an enquiry. I guess he is hoping an enquiry will keep him in petty cash until another murderous scumbag comes along and needs legal aid.

YOTT

Skol

06-02-2009, 07:25 AM

stevo1

06-02-2009, 11:47 AM

Jahche Te Manawa Kaha Broughton, Scumbag of the Day, the 14 year old piece of s**t that beat Karen Aim to death. He was "very well loved' and "had a good upbringing" according to his mother.
He beat Karen Aim to death after eviction from a party for being drunk.

www.stuff.co.nz/4839183a11.html

How about his uncle Leigh Herewini's involvement in it http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10555404
slap on the wrist with a wet hankie for Broughtons drinking mate.

craic

07-02-2009, 11:21 AM

Suicide in prison doesn't need paraphenalia. Half the clowns who do it don't intend to commit suicide. They become intrigued by what it might be like to hang by the neck and affix almost anything around their neck and apply "hanging"pressure from a door handle or bed end or whatever. Because they are not really hanging and are sitting or kneeling on the floor, they feel safe or in control. They inadvertently apply the "sleeper hold" used by police and others to overcome a struggling person. In practice the sleeper hold is relaxed immediatly the person loses conciousness but the others simply go limp and cut off the blood supply to the brain before they can do anything about. The fifteen minutes between PO observations is more than enough time.

Nevl

09-02-2009, 10:53 AM

Todays Scumbag award nomination. The arsonists behind the Aussie bushfires.

Not that I usually have much sympathy for Aussies since their major export of coal to China is a major reason they are facing more heatwaves the deliberate lighting of fires resulting in so much death makes them seem like a logical choice. I am sure however there will be a kiwi who does there best to earn the award today.

Placebo

09-02-2009, 11:56 AM

Fully agree, Nevl, how anyone could even consider setting a fire in such extreme conditions with the consequences so obvious is a true scumbag.

Sunday News ran a good piece on our friend Dixon yesterday: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4841331a11.html.

Bit of a retrospective scumbag award, this one to the mother of the Mob associate charged with stabbing a bloke at a Hawke's Bay country pub. As the guy was led away, this piece of human trash yelled out to him then barked like a dog (a Mongrel Mob salute), then spat and swore at the judge when he ordered her arrested for contempt of court. Nice. http://www.stuff.co.nz/4839933a12855.html.

There was a great picture of her big fat puku poking out in the Dom... This is the calibre of Mob molls - all class.

minimoke

09-02-2009, 01:02 PM

There was a great picture of her big fat puku poking out in the Dom... This is the calibre of Mob molls - all class.
That’s very unkind Placebo. You can’t judge a person by the size of their puku and I’m sure she has other very attractive features (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominionpost/4839164a6045.html). Perhaps she might have been Dixons “psychologist” when he was in jail back in 2003. But as an invalid she deserves our sympathy and I’m sure we are all relieved that our taxes are helping keep her in a style to which she has become accustomed.

Year of the Tiger

09-02-2009, 01:16 PM

Not that I usually have much sympathy for Aussies since their major export of coal to China is a major reason they are facing more heatwaves..

I think that is a bit of a gross exaggeration...:(

I'm curious to know what it is that you attribute to the floods and torrential rains of Queensland...:confused:

YOTT

Year of the Tiger

09-02-2009, 01:23 PM

That’s very unkind Placebo. You can’t judge a person by the size of their puku and I’m sure she has other very attractive features (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominionpost/4839164a6045.html). Perhaps she might have been Dixons “psychologist” when he was in jail back in 2003. But as an invalid she deserves our sympathy and I’m sure we are all relieved that our taxes are helping keep her in a style to which she has become accustomed.

I was a bit puzzled by the description of Victoria Stevens. The report said she was an "invalid beneficiary".

Was it:

"invalid" as in "infirm or sickly", or
"invalid" as in "not valid; without force or foundation; indefensible"
She doesn't look infirm or sickly to me so I guess it is the latter...:rolleyes:

YOTT

Nevl

09-02-2009, 02:32 PM

I think that is a bit of a gross exaggeration...:(

I'm curious to know what it is that you attribute to the floods and torrential rains of Queensland...:confused:

YOTT

Pretty simple. Increased water temperatures lead to more frequent rainfalls as more moisture is taken up into the atmosphere due to evaporation. Warm and wet is likely to be the future. of areas close to the sea with on shore winds. Rain and cold only go together in the temperate latitudes. NZ and Ireland are good examples. Otherwise as you will know the heaviest extreme rains are usually in the tropics as anyone who has had a holiday in Fiji or heard of something called a Monsoon will know.

NZ gets more rain but it is generally spread out over the whole year with the odd extreme event. In Northern Aussie they get little rain but when it does it really does!! Increased global warming just puts more water in the atmosphere to dump on those places where the winds will bring that moisture over land. As the water vapour increases in height it will condensate. Look at the west coast of NZ. Your form 1 Science book should have a pretty diagram showing this.

Year of the Tiger

09-02-2009, 03:11 PM

Pretty simple. Increased water temperatures lead to more frequent rainfalls as more moisture is taken up into the atmosphere due to evaporation. Warm and wet is likely to be the future. of areas close to the sea with on shore winds. Rain and cold only go together in the temperate latitudes. NZ and Ireland are good examples. Otherwise as you will know the heaviest extreme rains are usually in the tropics as anyone who has had a holiday in Fiji or heard of something called a Monsoon will know.

NZ gets more rain but it is generally spread out over the whole year with the odd extreme event. In Northern Aussie they get little rain but when it does it really does!! Increased global warming just puts more water in the atmosphere to dump on those places where the winds will bring that moisture over land. As the water vapour increases in height it will condensate. Look at the west coast of NZ. Your form 1 Science book should have a pretty diagram showing this.

http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/watercycle.html

Oh, I know how the watercycle works, I just wonder how you can state:

"Not that I usually have much sympathy for Aussies since their major export of coal to China is a major reason they are facing more heatwaves"

YOTT

Nevl

09-02-2009, 04:03 PM

http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/watercycle.html

Oh, I know how the watercycle works, I just wonder how you can state:

"Not that I usually have much sympathy for Aussies since their major export of coal to China is a major reason they are facing more heatwaves"

YOTT

More Coal burnt = More CO2 = Global warming= hotter enviroment= more rain and heat waves

last post on global warming. Arsonists still my vote for scumbag of the day though associates of the Mongrel mob close second

Nita

09-02-2009, 04:33 PM

Why on earth did Kyle injure poor Brendon. It just aint bloody cricket.

Placebo

09-02-2009, 04:41 PM

Come on Nita, keep it serious.

You'll have to start up your own thread, Eejit of the Day, if you want to get into that sort of thing.

Just like this scumbags thread, it's tapping fertile ground ;)

Major von Tempsky

10-02-2009, 08:25 AM

"More Coal burnt = More CO2 = Global warming= hotter enviroment= more rain and heat waves".

Simple minded stuff.

The climate is always changing. The global temperature has not risen, or only fractionally in the last 10 years. Some parts of the world are getting hotter, some parts are getting colder.
Even with a nest of super computers going full time the results are inconclusive and the models wretchedly inadequate. Too many unknowns.
A rapidly growing number of scientists have put their name to paper disassociating themselves from AL Gore moronity.

Nevl

10-02-2009, 10:41 AM

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4842605a11.html

The scumbag of the day. Stealing from these girls who give so much pleasure to so many.

To MVT, yes it is simple minded stuff. The question is why you have so much difficulty with it?

minimoke

10-02-2009, 11:12 AM

Nita

10-02-2009, 11:56 AM

Bit out of left field but I think I’ll go with Peter Chin, Mayor of Dunedin for leading a team that is trying to lumber tax and rate payers with a $200m stadium that will get used a few times a year by fans of rugby. Also for holding democratic discussions behind closed doors.I agree. Not sure what the population is.. say approx 100,000. That makes it $2,000 for every man, woman and child. Not a lot of logic imo

mudrick

10-02-2009, 04:17 PM

minimoke

10-02-2009, 05:00 PM

Good on Peter Chin for not being swayed by the moaning negitive lot who oppose this and anything else that stands for progress.This should be a great asset for the city Cost to the average ratpayer will be in the region of $66.00 per year or $1.27 per week .Looks pretty good to me
The cost will be at least $150 a year.
The Dunedin City Counsel and Otago regional Council are going to put in around $122m. Thats around $2,355 per rate payer. And each rate payer will cough up $123 for the Councils Maintenance Fund. The University will put in $10m so that’s $500 a student. The Private sector will cough up $45m – why I don’t know since there will be no return on their investment. And that’s based on the thing costing $188m which we know has already ballooned to $198m

If the stadium can fill 30,000 seats (there’s only 52,000 ratepayers and 122,000 residents) seats at $50 each for 10 events the ROI looks pretty shabby. The Highlanders would be happy if they could get 12,000 to a game and how many test matches will there be in a decade. And if you aren’t going there to see the Highlanders who would you go to see - Any chance of a hot band going south – probably not. You’d probably get a much better return leasing some jets and flying people to wellington or Sydney for a half decent event.

rev

10-02-2009, 07:48 PM

Yes, lets stop all development, and in thirty years time we too can look like some of the former USSR cities, Kiyev, and Kharkov spring to mind, utter sh*tholes - with approx 8 roubles spent in that time on infrastructure.

Build it and get over it.

The council want to align themselves with money spending developers, it's this lump or some other beast - but they will spend the money.

Placebo

11-02-2009, 10:27 AM

Onward and upwards... today my hunt for scumbaggery takes me into the world of medicine, and the tale of a woman diagnosed with breast cancer, who was treated by a snake-oil merchant with a technique known as "Bioptron" therapy. Shining lights on the patient.

The woman being treated seems to be a fairly gullible type, but the `therapist' has clearly acted unethically, as the patient's condition deteriorated and she now has advanced cancer requiring palliative care - death is the only prognosis. According to the patient, the therapist told her doctors were "medical mafia and butchers".

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4843711a11.html.

You'll get a good laugh from the Les Rolton comment at the end...

minimoke

11-02-2009, 12:00 PM

Onward and upwards... today my hunt for scumbaggery takes me into the world of medicine, and the tale of a woman diagnosed with breast cancer, who was treated by a snake-oil merchant with a technique known as "Bioptron" therapy. Shining lights on the patient.

Nope – this doesn’t do it for me. The woman had conventional medical options, she received professional advice but ignored both. Breast cancer is one of the more common cancers for women – so there is a lot of information out there– perhaps too much. But she decided on a particular route, decided to stay on that path - she needs to take responsibility for her decisions.

But if you want to a medical scumbag – what about the thieves that took the sick kids x-box from Taranaki base hospital. More here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4843408a11.html

Placebo

11-02-2009, 01:40 PM

Okay, second nomination of the day, the mental health caregiver who sexually abused the boy in his care: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4844614a11.html

mudrick

11-02-2009, 09:40 PM

Dr_Who

12-02-2009, 08:03 AM

hiawatha

12-02-2009, 10:27 AM

Heres another. Maakiti Joseph Tipene. Raped a 22 year old Dutch tourist at Knifepoint while asleep with her partner and then held them hostage.
Not only do we have to keep this scum at cost to the taxpayer Now the Dutch goverment has issued a warning to any prospective visitors about the Dangers of serious crime in New Zealand Their words not mine.

It's a bit difficult to rape someone while you're asleep with her partner I would have thought.
That aside, however, if we decide to lock someone up then we have to pay the cost. I'm sure Mr Tipene would be happy to forego being locked up if we thought it was too expensive.
hiawatha

hiawatha

12-02-2009, 10:33 AM

Maybe we can build a max security prison in Zimbabwe and ship these guys there. Let the Zimbabwe people and justice system take good care of them. Export all our problems away. Better still, just execute them. More cost effective.

Given the comments one sees on threads like this, it is not surprising we have a lot of mayhem and murder in this country. Savagery must run through all our veins.
hiawatha

Nevl

12-02-2009, 10:50 AM

Given the comments one sees on threads like this, it is not surprising we have a lot of mayhem and murder in this country. Savagery must run through all our veins.
hiawatha

Are you really defending Tipene? Your comments are disgusting. He raped an innocent tourist!!

You seem to get a thrill out of this type of news Hiawatha. Its sick.

My vote for scumbag of the day is the judge that bailed out the Mongrel mob members

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4844844a11.html

hiawatha

12-02-2009, 11:40 AM

Are you really defending Tipene? Your comments are disgusting. He raped an innocent tourist!!

You seem to get a thrill out of this type of news Hiawatha. Its sick.

My vote for scumbag of the day is the judge that bailed out the Mongrel mob members

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4844844a11.html

No. I'm not defending Tipene. I don't see how such an interpretation could be read into my posting.

Are you defending Dr Who? His comments are disgusting.
hiawatha

Nevl

12-02-2009, 11:55 AM

No. I'm not defending Tipene. I don't see how such an interpretation could be read into my posting.

Are you defending Dr Who? His comments are disgusting.
hiawatha

Hold on!! You think Zim is Paradise and Dr Mugabe is the best thing since Muhammed. How could you see a problem with crims being sent to that paradise? You could dress it up as character building trip.

Placebo

12-02-2009, 12:02 PM

No Nevl, the real scum are the gang members. These people shouldn't be tolerated in a civilised society.

It always makes me wonder why we tolerate these ****wits in our communities, when they don't give a toss about us - other than to queue up for their dole or "sickness benefit". These are people who are going round giving society the finger. Well I reckon society should give them the finger right back. If you are a gang member, or associated with a gang, you don't get a benefit of any sort. You want a benefit, break your ties with a gang.

Good editorial on it in today's DomPost http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominionpost/4844757a6483.html

hiawatha

12-02-2009, 12:08 PM

Hold on!! You think Zim is Paradise and Dr Mugabe is the best thing since Muhammed. How could you see a problem with crims being sent to that paradise? You could dress it up as character building trip.

It's not how I see Zimbabwe that matters. The point is that Dr Who sees Zimbabwe as some sort of hell on earth and wants to send offenders there. That he wishes to send anyone there is disgusting given how he sees the place.
hiawatha

Nevl

12-02-2009, 12:38 PM

Yankiwi

12-02-2009, 12:54 PM

The fact that you get more upset about the Doc's comments rather that the rape of a tourist suggests that your priorties are way out of whack. Please give us the best way to stop these crimes from happening. So far in years of looking at your posts you have never presented a workable viable way of preventing these crimes. You have just advocated the quick release and rewarding of these people.

Good on ya Nevl. Well said!

For myself, I've found the best to deal with Hiawatha replies/threads. I see the name to the left of the screen and completely ignore the words to its right! :D That way there is a "middle ground" between our beliefs in which I can be happy with. :rolleyes:

Nevl

12-02-2009, 01:05 PM

Good on ya Nevl. Well said!

For myself, I've found the best to deal with Hiawatha replies/threads. I see the name to the left of the screen and completely ignore the words to its right! :D That way there is a "middle ground" between our beliefs in which I can be happy with. :rolleyes:

I don't ignore the words as it is important to realise how sick some people are. Its important to know where they are coming from. Hiawatha strikes me as being a wannabe Peter Williams QC, Barry Hart type person who lacks empathy for the victims of crime and gets a peverse pleasure when they see the horrific things that the people they work so hard to enable go out and commit these horrible crimes. It is the same mentality that says to the murder victim well its your fault for living!! If you didn't live then you wouldn't have being murdered.

belgarion

12-02-2009, 01:21 PM

My vote for todays award ...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10556403

Yankiwi

12-02-2009, 01:28 PM

I don't ignore the words as it is important to realise how sick some people are. Its important to know where they are coming from.

I ignore.

It's not up to me to decide if someone elses beliefs are sick or not. I know that I don't agree, nor do I have any time for their belief, so why waste my time reading? My mind would already be made up before I read it anyway.

Placebo

12-02-2009, 01:49 PM

My vote for todays award ...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10556403

Hmmm, happy to consider this Belgie, provided you sponsor me to go present the award to the judge in person :D

hiawatha

12-02-2009, 02:24 PM

The fact that you get more upset about the Doc's comments rather that the rape of a tourist suggests that your priorties are way out of whack. Please give us the best way to stop these crimes from happening. So far in years of looking at your posts you have never presented a workable viable way of preventing these crimes. You have just advocated the quick release and rewarding of these people.

You are absolutely 100% right. I don't know how to stop these crimes. Locking people up just doesn't seem to do the trick. Perhaps you should make a suggestion; but if you suggest executing them, or sending them off to Zimbabwe, then I'd venture to suggest that you're the one who is "sick".
I think we should lock them up, as it happens. We need to make some attempt at finding a punishment to "fit the crime".
hiawatha

hiawatha

12-02-2009, 02:27 PM

My vote for todays award ...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10556403

These are probably private prisons, with the company that owns them being paid a certain amount per prisoner. This is the sort of thing that the ACT party wants to introduce into NZ.
hiawatha

minimoke

12-02-2009, 02:55 PM

Hmmm, happy to consider this Belgie, provided you sponsor me to go present the award to the judge in person :D
I don’t know. I thought we would have had enough NZ scumbags to consider without introducing foreigners. I was a going to suggest Dough Rolleston for his fraudulent activities but then thought perhaps it should be the judge for his failure to jail this white collar celebrity crim. But the media were going to cop it for burying the story in the sports section. If it had been a black man the result would be different.

hiawatha

12-02-2009, 03:12 PM

How about awarding it to the Hastings judge who had someone arrested for barking like a dog. Or are we too prejudiced for that?
hiawatha

fungus pudding

12-02-2009, 03:22 PM

How about awarding it to the Hastings judge who had someone arrested for barking like a dog. Or are we too prejudiced for that?
hiawatha

Generally speaking we're not prejudiced anywhere near enough.

Skol

12-02-2009, 03:27 PM

How about awarding it to the Hastings judge who had someone arrested for barking like a dog. Or are we too prejudiced for that?
hiawatha

Halftruth hiawatha.
Here's the real story and a photo of the babe that did it.She should get the scumbag award.

www.getfrank.co.nz/an-invalids-beneficiary

minimoke

12-02-2009, 03:37 PM

How about awarding it to the Hastings judge who had someone arrested for barking like a dog. Or are we too prejudiced for that?
hiawatha
This situation has already been covered earlier in the thread on a previous day. The dog barking is a sign of Mongrel Mob support. The judge deserves a pat on the back!

Nevl

12-02-2009, 04:10 PM

You are absolutely 100% right. I don't know how to stop these crimes. Locking people up just doesn't seem to do the trick. Perhaps you should make a suggestion; but if you suggest executing them, or sending them off to Zimbabwe, then I'd venture to suggest that you're the one who is "sick".
I think we should lock them up, as it happens. We need to make some attempt at finding a punishment to "fit the crime".
hiawatha

Thats your most reasonable post so far.

The punishment to fit the crime. Murder. Life till you die in jail.

Any crime using weapons or violence

25 years unless in self defence ie the Emery case or when defending your property or to prevent crime. ie the guys who shot out the tyres of the people who were robbing his neighbours house. There is no way they should be charged.

3 repeat offenses then jailed for life.

there are too many good people who are not getting support because we are wasting time and money on people who do not deserve it. I saw the show on TV 1 last night about the 3 week camp to turn around young crims. Yes all very nice but Canteen or guide dogs for the blind deserve the money and to go on camps more than those scumbags.

Also harsher penalties have being found to reduce crime. If you are unsure then please read the works of Steven Levitt of Freakonimics fame and the work of some of his associates.

Ok Hiawatha lets here you suggestions?

minimoke

12-02-2009, 04:33 PM

Thats your most reasonable post so far.

The punishment to fit the crime. Murder. Life till you die in jail.

And the only reading material would be Antoine Dixons posthumously published DIY Manual ” 5 Great Things to Do in Prison” . Chpt One – How to obtain drugs (apparently that’s a real easy one to get the reader filled with confidence for the next challenges ahead); Chpt Two - How to bonk a scrubber; Chpt three How to prepare for trial – or five mad faces you can pull to impress the judge; Chpt Four: How to Deal to Pesky Counsel and the final chapter – well we all know how that one goes.

Dr_Who

12-02-2009, 04:38 PM

I am all with you Nevl.

Labour's "I love criminals" policies have not worked. In fact, the majority of us wants much tougher penalties for crims. Time for some changes to our law and order system.

Bring back capital punishment.

Skol

12-02-2009, 05:00 PM

Didn't I read a while back that the Labour Govt saw fit to equip some of our prisons with underfloor heating?

Your hard earned tax dollars at work.

fungus pudding

12-02-2009, 05:20 PM

Didn't I read a while back that the Labour Govt saw fit to equip some of our prisons with underfloor heating?

Your hard earned tax dollars at work.

Yeah but it would be inhumane to not provide heating. Underfloor heating was the cheapest and most efficient where it was used. It was one of the few things they got right about that prison.

hiawatha

12-02-2009, 07:23 PM

This situation has already been covered earlier in the thread on a previous day. The dog barking is a sign of Mongrel Mob support. The judge deserves a pat on the back!

You are obviously familiar with the saying "sticks and stones may break my bones but barking like a dog will never hurt me". So what's your opinion of a pompous hypocrite who has someone arrested for something as harmless as barking like a dog, and passes it off as some sort of "justice"? Scumbag 1st class with brass knobs on? Most certainly.
hiawatha

fungus pudding

12-02-2009, 07:31 PM

Major von Tempsky

12-02-2009, 07:34 PM

minimoke

12-02-2009, 07:41 PM

Is this a surprise or is he permanently addled....
or barking mad???

minimoke

12-02-2009, 07:47 PM

You are obviously familiar with the saying "sticks and stones may break my bones but barking like a dog will never hurt me". So what's your opinion of a pompous hypocrite who has someone arrested for something as harmless as barking like a dog, and passes it off as some sort of "justice"? Scumbag 1st class with brass knobs on? Most certainly.
hiawatha
Nope - not familair with that one. As for the Judge, as I mentioned ealier I'd give him a medal and if he imprisons the spawn of this creature for the murder he gets a knighthood and if he deals to this grotesque excuse of a mother he gets a a new bit of recognition that we'll have to invent - but higher than what is currently on offer.

hiawatha

12-02-2009, 08:44 PM

She will have been charged for contempt of court, not for barking, as you well know.

There is no such thing as contempt of court apart from actions which allegedly give rise to it eg barking or swearing at someone. No, she was arrested unjustly for barking.
hiawatha

shasta

12-02-2009, 08:53 PM

There is no such thing as contempt of court apart from actions which allegedly give rise to it eg barking or swearing at someone. No, she was arrested unjustly for barking.
hiawatha

Im not familiar with any laws that prohibit barking that are arrestable?

You sure H?

hiawatha

12-02-2009, 08:56 PM

Nope, Hiawatha's totally disoriented.
Like most NZers, and in particular the over 90% who voted tougher action on crime in a referendum that the Labour Party totally ignored, I think the Mongrel Mob, that ghastly human refuse of a woman and all the other gangs are Scumbags of the Year and the Judge is a Hero of the Year.

We saw Hiawatha side with the less than 4% who supported Winston First's corruption, now he's one of the less than 10% of NZers who don't want to crack down on crime.

Is this a surprise or is he permanently addled....

I didn't support Winston's corruption though, I did question whether it actually existed - there is a distinction, though of course such subtle distinctions are obviously beyond your comprehension. Clarity of thought was never your strong point.
hiawatha

hiawatha

12-02-2009, 08:59 PM

Im not familiar with any laws that prohibit barking that are arrestable?

You sure H?

You're absolutely right. That's what I have been trying to say all along. That judge in Hastings seems to feel he make up law as he goes along.
hiawatha

shasta

12-02-2009, 09:02 PM

You're absolutely right. That's what I have been trying to say all along. That judge in Hastings seems to feel he make up law as he goes along.
hiawatha

Having been "born & raised" in Hastings, nothing would surprise me :rolleyes:

rev

12-02-2009, 10:06 PM

hiawatha

12-02-2009, 10:17 PM

The fact the mutt was prepared to allow that fat gut she sports to be exposed in public is enough to warrant incarceration.

Hiawatha, how could you ignore the facts of what's happened and not be appalled, but you somehow find a point of difference and feel she has been hard done by?

Shasta, I agree, Hastings is a pit, but I feel people are a reflection of their upbringing, not their surroundings. Nature verse nurture blah blah bollocks. Sh!thead parents = sh!thead offspring. Simple as that.

Well done that Judge.

I think perhaps you are misunderstanding the nature/nurture dichotomy.The "nature" part refers to a person's nature, not nature in the environmental sense. Some say that some people are born bad, or that badness is part of their nature, while others say that nobody is born bad but that some become bad because of their upbringing or environment.
hiawatha

hiawatha

12-02-2009, 10:25 PM

Hiawatha, how could you ignore the facts of what's happened and not be appalled, but you somehow find a point of difference and feel she has been hard done by?

A miscarriage of justice is still a miscarriage of justice, even if its victim is a real bad egg.
hiawatha

rev

12-02-2009, 10:40 PM

Your have a knack of shifting focus from topic to periphial dross. A good lefty trait. Well done.

So are you suggesting this person would have always been destined to kill regardless of his parents (in this case parent - c'mon lets face it, he wouldn't have ever know who dad was) and enviroment/neighbourhood he grew up in?

Not likely - none of my chums in the area I grew up in have been in front of Judgey, but in a different part of town the stats' are quite different. This FACT is indubitable

Maybe his 'Certificate in Tarohanga' is the first step on the way to an MBA?

Do you have a Certificate in Tarohanga?

Like I say, Sh!thead parents = sh!thead offspring - it really is that simple.

Nevl

13-02-2009, 06:57 AM

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10556515

Heres todays scumbag

HarryFlashman

13-02-2009, 07:04 AM

Nevl - you beat me to it by a couple of minutes. Why is this thug being given chance after chance? Its only a matter of time before he offends again - sounds like he would have beaten up a photographer yesterday if he hadn't been prevented from doing so. The legal system is a joke. His mum must be so proud - she does nothing to try to control him.
Lock him up next time he breaches his bail conditions before someone gets hurt.
Cheers
Harry

hiawatha

13-02-2009, 09:27 AM

minimoke

13-02-2009, 09:48 AM

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10556515

Heres todays scumbag
There is one kid who probably had his whole life mapped out for him by the age of three – and there won’t be any happy ending.

Dr_Who

13-02-2009, 10:42 AM

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10556515

Heres todays scumbag

Where does he get the money to buy the drugs and alcohol? I assume he doesnt work. As minimoke says, this one is mapped out for trouble with a capital "T".

He should be given an additional 2 years military training. This kid needs discipline and the value of respecting others around him.

Dr_Who

13-02-2009, 10:48 AM

http://www.stuff.co.nz/images/791997.jpg

The missing link?
Put him in a zoo so everyone can see what a loser he is.

Father of Nia's killers jailed for 'inexplicable' violence

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4846500a11.html

minimoke

13-02-2009, 11:42 AM

The missing link?
Put him in a zoo so everyone can see what a loser he is.

Father of Nia's killers jailed for 'inexplicable' violence

Bloody tragedy these people are able to breed. At some point we might get to the stage where there is a bit more thought given to population management. The Chinese did it with their potential explosion – perhaps we should be discussing it with a view to limiting the detritus that exudes from his, and others loins. The Right-to-Lifers would have conniptions though their arguments seem to run ought on the quality of life relative to the quantity of life.

hiawatha

13-02-2009, 12:14 PM

Bloody tragedy these people are able to breed. At some point we might get to the stage where there is a bit more thought given to population management. The Chinese did it with their potential explosion – perhaps we should be discussing it with a view to limiting the detritus that exudes from his, and others loins. The Right-to-Lifers would have conniptions though their arguments seem to run ought on the quality of life relative to the quantity of life.

so you're saying all those cute little babies shouldn't be allowed to be born simply because they have the wrong parents.
hiawatha

minimoke

13-02-2009, 12:40 PM

so you're saying all those cute little babies shouldn't be allowed to be born simply because they have the wrong parents.
hiawatha
They aren’t cute. They are emotionally and materially impoverished, snotty nosed and malnourished. There is nothing cute about a child brought into a violent, self centred and ignorant environment in which morals are questionable and law breaking the norm. They are the devils spawn, nourished during gestation with chemicals and imbalanced nutrition. They are born into this world disguised as infants; whose destiny is already determined at conception. Best to prevent the conception.

belgarion

13-02-2009, 12:57 PM

They aren’t cute. They are emotionally and materially impoverished, snotty nosed and malnourished. There is nothing cute about a child brought into a violent, self centred and ignorant environment in which morals are questionable and law breaking the norm. They are the devils spawn, nourished during gestation with chemicals and imbalanced nutrition. They are born into this world disguised as infants; whose destiny is already determined at conception. Best to prevent the conception.

Oddly familar view to that I read when studying the rise of the Nazi party. And, oddly similar to those that express such views on neo-Nazi sites.

My great uncles went to war to protect us from such views and I fear they would be rolling in their respective graves to hear something like that from a New Zealander.

Very disappointing and shameful, Minimoke - even if made in jest!

Year of the Tiger

13-02-2009, 12:57 PM

They aren’t cute. They are emotionally and materially impoverished, snotty nosed and malnourished. There is nothing cute about a child brought into a violent, self centred and ignorant environment in which morals are questionable and law breaking the norm. They are the devils spawn, nourished during gestation with chemicals and imbalanced nutrition. They are born into this world disguised as infants; whose destiny is already determined at conception. Best to prevent the conception.

I agree, mind you I've been bleating on about this for yonks.

Just a thought, how do you go about getting laws changed? It seems that enough people march, waive placards and petition politicians, then laws can be changed to stop pies being sold in school tuck-shops, stop caring parents from disciplining their children in the manner they wish, stop people from smonking almost everywhere in the country....

So how do we start the process of changing a law so that an element of the populations aren't allowed to breed???

Can you imagine the uproar from Hiawatha and the like...:eek:

YOTT

minimoke

13-02-2009, 01:18 PM

Oddly familar view to that I read when studying the rise of the Nazi party. And, oddly similar to those that express such views on neo-Nazi sites.

My great uncles went to war to protect us from such views and I fear they would be rolling in their respective graves to hear something like that from a New Zealander.

Very disappointing and shameful, Minimoke - even if made in jest!
I guess we can all interpret what we read with whatever blinkered glasses we choose to wear.

It might come as a bit of a surprise that we can already compulsorily administer contraception in NZ to mentally subnormal women. That’s what your uncles fought for – though they probably didn’t know it at the time. Indeed they probably fought for a land of milk and honey – not deprivation, abuse and cyclical breaking of society’s norms.

A wee tweak of the CSA Act to broaden the definition of a sub-normal woman wouldn’t be hard to do. Though while we are at it, chuck in a change to include sub-normal men.

hiawatha

13-02-2009, 01:54 PM

I guess we can all interpret what we read with whatever blinkered glasses we choose to wear.

It might come as a bit of a surprise that we can already compulsorily administer contraception in NZ to mentally subnormal women. That’s what your uncles fought for – though they probably didn’t know it at the time. Indeed they probably fought for a land of milk and honey – not deprivation, abuse and cyclical breaking of society’s norms.

A wee tweak of the CSA Act to broaden the definition of a sub-normal woman wouldn’t be hard to do. Though while we are at it, chuck in a change to include sub-normal men.

While we're at it, why not include the narrow minded as well?
hiawatha

Nevl

13-02-2009, 02:05 PM

While we're at it, why not include the narrow minded as well?
hiawatha

Why don't you want kids Hiawatha?

hiawatha

13-02-2009, 03:12 PM

Why don't you want kids Hiawatha?

Once again you display this lack of clarity when it comes to thought. When were the above posters ever interested in what the soon-to-be-sterilised actually wanted. This of course is the principal charactreristic of fascism - a strong tendency to barge ahead with what (they believed) was right regardless of what people wanted.
hiawatha

Nevl

13-02-2009, 03:41 PM

Once again you display this lack of clarity when it comes to thought. When were the above posters ever interested in what the soon-to-be-sterilised actually wanted. This of course is the principal charactreristic of fascism - a strong tendency to barge ahead with what (they believed) was right regardless of what people wanted.
hiawatha

Haha. Thats brilliant. Go and buy a sense of humour!! I guess i better explain the joke.

In reply to your reply about the steralisation of the criminal underclass you made a throwaway remark to also include narrow minded people. Given that you are perceived as a very narrow minded person this remark could be shown to apply to you. Other posters can say if they got the joke or not. Obviously you didn't!!

tough day to choose between scumbags

Curtis, Kurawiki and the mother of Pihema Cameron. Many good choices there.

minimoke

13-02-2009, 03:45 PM

hiawatha

13-02-2009, 04:26 PM

Interesting to see Belg and Hiawatha have capitulated and invoked Godwins Law. Time for a new thread Placebo!

Another poster lacking clarity of thought. Godwin's law concerns references to Hitler and Nazism. I mentioned neither. I did mention fascism, but that's not the same thing.
hiawatha
ps: And in any case it's irrelevant. I still maintain that persons who advocate sterilisation are fascists, regardless of what Mr Godwin says.
h

hiawatha

13-02-2009, 04:30 PM

Haha. Thats brilliant. Go and buy a sense of humour!! I guess i better explain the joke.

In reply to your reply about the steralisation of the criminal underclass you made a throwaway remark to also include narrow minded people. Given that you are perceived as a very narrow minded person this remark could be shown to apply to you. Other posters can say if they got the joke or not. Obviously you didn't!!

tough day to choose between scumbags

Curtis, Kurawiki and the mother of Pihema Cameron. Many good choices there.

My remark about narrow minded people being included was sarcastic. Most people would have spotted the sarcasm but obviously there are some who are a little slow on the uptake.
hiawatha

Nevl

13-02-2009, 04:51 PM

My remark about narrow minded people being included was sarcastic.
hiawatha

Nooooo Really!!

Skol

13-02-2009, 04:54 PM

I believe in sterilising these lowlifes to prevent perpetuating a criminal underclass so I guess I'm a fascist, but not the only one because there have been letters to the editor of the Herald advocating it as well. The odd thing was that it didn't provoke a reaction like hiawathas hysteria and 2 polls relating to the death sentence both polled 68% for.
Many of these scum are related and you only have to remember the notorious South Auckland Kahuis (who doesn't) for proof.

hiawatha

13-02-2009, 05:05 PM

Nooooo Really!!

I see the penny's finally dropped. Congratulations.
hiawatha

HarryFlashman

13-02-2009, 08:46 PM

Four years! This piece of sh*t Curtis got four years! Un effing believable.

hiawatha

15-02-2009, 10:13 AM

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10556515

Heres todays scumbag

A 12 year old Maori child acts as look out for some older kids in a robbery that goes wrong. That kid, Bailey Kurariki, despite not having even hurt, let alone killed, anyone is sentenced to seven years and labelled our youngest killer by the moron media, who hound him on his release. His life is destroyed before it began.

A man chases a boy 300m with a knife and stabs him to death. Bruce Emery gets 4 years (out in 2) and sympathy from the media. He’s always spoken of in the media in glowing terms: ‘businessman’, ‘family man’, ‘good Christian’, ‘father’, while his victim is simply labelled ‘tagger’. In two years, he’ll be released to a hero’s welcome - he’ll even keep his businesses and two houses because people are donating money to him.

So much for equality before the law.

http://www.thestandard.org.nz/

they have a point.
hiawatha

AMR

15-02-2009, 12:27 PM

Yes this is one of the rare occasions where I agree with you H. Bailey Kurariki was never given a chance to reform. How do you apply for uni, get a job, meet the right people to set you back on track if your past hangs around you like a media-driven stench?

I think Emery's sentence was fair - the judge recognised the need to avoid setting a legal precedence which would have protected criminals and criminalised people who try to stop them, while recognising that Emery went too far.

Skol

15-02-2009, 02:23 PM

http://www.thestandard.org.nz/

they have a point.
hiawatha

Who would you sooner have in your house, the incorrigible Kurariki or Bruce Emery?
Many consider him a hero for rubbing out a scumbag who victimised families by vandalising their properties.
The vandals family rail against Emery's sentence on TV but where were they when this little s**t was out trashing others valuable assets?
Some of the locals report there's been no graffiti since.

hiawatha

15-02-2009, 03:16 PM

Some of the locals report there's been no graffiti since.

Most gratifying, I'm sure.
hiawatha

Capitalist

15-02-2009, 04:55 PM

Yes this is one of the rare occasions where I agree with you H. Bailey Kurariki was never given a chance to reform. How do you apply for uni, get a job, meet the right people to set you back on track if your past hangs around you like a media-driven stench?

Absolutely. Bravo. And you don't need to be a 'hand wringing liberal' to say that.

Young Bailey is a scapegoat - he is not murderer, he was just there at the time.

Personally I find this disgusting, and I am no 'leftie'.

Skol

16-02-2009, 07:54 AM

Yes this is one of the rare occasions where I agree with you H. Bailey Kurariki was never given a chance to reform. How do you apply for uni, get a job, meet the right people to set you back on track if your past hangs around you like a media-driven stench?

Absolutely. Bravo. And you don't need to be a 'hand wringing liberal' to say that.

Young Bailey is a scapegoat - he is not murderer, he was just there at the time.

Personally I find this disgusting, and I am no 'leftie'.

Maybe you would like a little bet that this scumbag will be back inside on more serious charges in the near future.

Major von Tempsky

16-02-2009, 08:05 AM

Bailey Kuariki is reported to have breached anti drug orders lots of times and the Judge has just said he "is getting his last chance".
Personally I don't think P fuelled nutters (incl Millie Holmes) should be at large in the community killing passers-by with samurai swords and amputating their female flatmates hands.

Placebo

16-02-2009, 10:10 AM

Today's nomination is not an individual, but a Government department:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10556964

Nevl

17-02-2009, 07:46 AM

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4849760a11.html

The ethics of Reids lawyer really need to be examined and this type of appeal should not be paid for by legal aid. If they win the appeal then his lawyer can get paid otherwise all court costs must be paid by Reid and if he can't then the lawyer should pay.

Anyway they both deserve scumbag of the day awards.

Placebo

17-02-2009, 09:25 AM

Okay Nevl, I'll second that nomination.

For those with an eye for these things, you might like to watch the excellent Nigel Latta show `Real Crime Beyond the Darklands', a 2nd series of which begins on TV1 tomorrow (Wednesday) night at 9.25.

Latta is brutal in his dissection of the minds and motives of some of the country's worst killers and gives a teling insight into some of the worst crimes. There is no softening of the edges here. Latta makes it clear he regards the criminals as totally responsible for their own actions, despite their circumstances.

In the last series we had, amongst others, Jules Mikus (who killed Teresa Cormack), Bruce Howse (who killed 2 Masterton girls) and William Bell (RSA killer). Tomorrow night his subject is Steven Williams, who killed Featherston girl Coral Burrows.

STRAT

17-02-2009, 06:48 PM

Today's nomination is not an individual, but a Government department:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10556964Doesnt add up. $175k for this much hassle unless it was going directly into someones pocket. Is this for real or just another inaccurate page filler in the local rag?

Still, nice to know Government department bribes are relatively cheap
:D

Skol

18-02-2009, 09:21 AM

hiawatha

18-02-2009, 10:28 AM

I nominate the United Arab Emirates as scumbag of the day for refusing Israeli Shahar Peer permission to compete in the Dubai Tennis Championships.
This despicable act might cost the UAE dearly with the Wall Street Journal withdrawing its sponsorship and heaps of negative publicity.
One of the reasons given was that there was demonstrations in NZ.
Led by our very own scumbag John Minto.

I think we need to establish definite criteria for determining who can qualify for the scumbag title. We can't just have any old tom, dick or harry. Whoever we nominate would have to be a genuine scumbag rather than just someone whose actions we disapprove of for political reasons.
hiawatha

Placebo

18-02-2009, 12:47 PM

Nah, let's just keep it subjective :D

Nevl

18-02-2009, 04:29 PM

another Judge thats ensuring that someone will get beaten and killed by this guy!!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10557416

hiawatha

18-02-2009, 11:47 PM

another Judge thats ensuring that someone will get beaten and killed by this guy!!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10557416

Obviously Herrick is not a Maori.
hiawatha

Skol

19-02-2009, 07:18 AM

Obviously Herrick is not a Maori.
hiawatha

You've got the wrong end of the stick hiawatha. You reckon they're more likely to go to jail if they're maori.
Actually it's true, because maoris commit some (but not all) of the most despicable crimes in NZ and also as a percentage of the population they far exceed the number of any other race in prison by several times.
I'm not sure why maori can't come to grips with society and they feel the need to break the law and victimise others. It's a major problem that's not going away any time soon and maori as a whole don't seem interested in confronting the situation.
One thing I know for sure, its not colonisation.

Maori have more opportunities in this country than any other race.

hiawatha

19-02-2009, 08:28 AM

You've got the wrong end of the stick hiawatha. You reckon they're more likely to go to jail if they're maori.
Actually it's true, because maoris commit some (but not all) of the most despicable crimes in NZ and also as a percentage of the population they far exceed the number of any other race in prison by several times.
I'm not sure why maori can't come to grips with society and they feel the need to break the law and victimise others. It's a major problem that's not going away any time soon and maori as a whole don't seem interested in confronting the situation.
One thing I know for sure, its not colonisation.

Maori have more opportunities in this country than any other race.

Irrelevant. The question is whether Herrick would have been jailed for that particular crime if he had been Maori. I'm inclined to believe he would.
hiawatha

BDLBOM

19-02-2009, 09:11 AM

Irrelevant. The question is whether Herrick would have been jailed for that particular crime if he had been Maori. I'm inclined to believe he would.
hiawatha

White apologists make me sick.

Placebo

19-02-2009, 09:16 AM

My problem with this story is how out of touch the judge is. Here we are with `boy racers' and general hoonery being a major source of public concern, particularly in Christchurch where a copper was shot at (?). Some sort of major incident that led to the `Crusher Collins' comments.

Anyway, there is a mood at large to get tough on these types. I am all for a judge seeing things on their merits, but come on. Time to send a message.

He should follow the lead of judge Tony Adeane in Hastings that locks up taggers. http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4513415a11.html.

That man deserves a DB.

craic

19-02-2009, 10:47 AM

Obviously Herrick is not a Maori.
hiawatha

With thirty years of close involvement in the sentencing process, and having read the Judges comments, I am satisfied that race was not a factor. An unspoken concern of the judge would have been that putting this clown in prison would likely have produced an even more dangerous individual with new friends of his ilk. My view, and probably the judges, is that he go that way anyhow. I have worked in courts where the population was heavily Maori (East Coast) and race was never a factor in sentencing ot imprisonment - it was frequently used as an excuse or reason to keep people out of prison.

Nevl

19-02-2009, 01:12 PM

Normal story, ethnicity and every other factor. When will they learn that the extended whanau is not a good basis for bringing up kids.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4852862a11.html

Anyway my vote for todays scumbags are the killers of this kid.

HarryFlashman

20-02-2009, 06:59 AM

and today's winner is ...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10557704

paul_nz

20-02-2009, 09:43 AM

Nevl

20-02-2009, 01:45 PM

An extended whanau is a great way to bring up kids - didn't you used to go to uncles' and aunts' places during school holidays when you were young? Playing with cousins, learning a different life exerience from others? Isn't that why you, and everyone else is on this forum?

It's the type of people being learned from that's the problem, not the method.

Hmmm maybe you should go to places around Te Puke like Manoweka, Waitangi and Rangiuru. The problem is the ones that end up looking after the kids are the ones that are at home ie the ones with no jobs. The get up and go ones are out studing and working leaving the kids to be brought up by uncle Rangi who just got out of jail and has more free time.

craic

20-02-2009, 02:05 PM

Nice to see the High Court cleaning up a slice of the mongrel mob today. But work out the cost - rope is cheaper, bullets even less.

Placebo

20-02-2009, 04:44 PM

Slamdunks for scumbags of the day. The Mongrel Mob subhumans who killed Jhia te Tua.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4853989a11.html

Karl Check's old man is the local Mongrel Mob president. What a joyful family they must be.

The only downer about this is that the Mobsters wear a jail stretch as a badge of honour. What we really need is a way of shaming these idiots. The equivalent of the Iraqi shoe-throw. Is there such a way of insulting people in Maoridom? Dun Mihaka's whakapohane?

Still looking forward to the day the cops come down on these types so hard they are driven into the sea. Who needs em?

rev

20-02-2009, 05:03 PM

An extended whanau is a great way to bring up kids - didn't you used to go to uncles' and aunts' places during school holidays when you were young? Playing with cousins, learning a different life exerience from others? Isn't that why you, and everyone else is on this forum?

It's the type of people being learned from that's the problem, not the method.

The whanau/marae lifestyle leaves too many oportunities available for some 'Get off me uncle - you're crushing my smokes' type situations to happen for my liking. Haven't you seen Once were Warriors, it's all true.

arco

20-02-2009, 07:14 PM

NZ could outsource these type of criminals to the Maldives. (A much cheaper alternative).

No escape and the correct punishment by professionals. I'm sure they will not offend again - ever.

Dr_Who

21-02-2009, 07:06 AM

Blue Chip founder faces 100 charges

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10557934

BRidgecorp, Blue Chip, Hangover, 5 Star finance, National Finance... etc

Skol

21-02-2009, 08:45 AM

I hope Bryers goes inside, he doesn't appear to care at all about the 'investors' he's ruined. He's a lawyer and his brother is a barrister, you think he'd know better.

In an interview with Jane Phare in June 2008, Bryers partner, Bob Bangerter, described Bryers as a Walter Mitty sort of character who dreamed of being "the richest maori ever".

Many years ago when having a discussion with a car dealer friend of mine about some of the bent individuals in the industry he quite correctly made the observation that there were more lawyers in jail than car dealers.

You know the difference between a lawyer and a flounder?

One's a scum sucking bottom dweller and the other's a fish.

Dr_Who

21-02-2009, 02:36 PM

HAHAHA.. skol.. mate, coffee went up my nostrals when I read your post.

ISnt it very sad that history repeats itself. They continue to do it cos they know the system lets them get away with it. Scum of the year. Hope these geezers gets to go behind bars for a long time. If they were in Aussie or the USA, they would be in the slammers for a long time.

outspoken

21-02-2009, 06:11 PM

If they were in Aussie or the USA, they would be in the slammers for a long time. He IS in Aussie.....doing the same thing!

BDLBOM

21-02-2009, 09:38 PM

On the one hand I hope that Bryers goes to jail and catches an incurable disease while there.
On the other hand I am reeling with amazement that anyone with half a brain could have been sucked in by his schemes.
I am not surprised to find that he is a lawyer but I am sad to see that he identifies himself as a Maori.

Dr_Who

22-02-2009, 05:20 PM

This family should be given the scum award of the century. Good candidate for sterilization. The sad thing is they are coming back to NZ to live. Hope they dont live in your neighbourhood.

Crime family banished from Aust to NZ

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10558021

Major von Tempsky

23-02-2009, 08:23 AM

Actually we should take the hint and they should keep right on travelling - back to Samoa where they started from just a few years ago. Samoa probably has a few uninhabited outer islets....

Placebo

23-02-2009, 01:00 PM

Things are pretty grim for us when the penal colony rejects our human exports!

Amazingly, she has not been jailed once! Here's the thing though. This woman and her son are hardened career criminals. But they haven't committed a crime in NZ. So once they get here, they will be free to roam and wreck mayhem as they please. It'll not be long before they are guests of Her Majesty once more.

How about we close our airspace to flights from Australia...

Dr_Who

24-02-2009, 10:34 AM

Bridgecorp trio in court

Three directors of failed finance company Bridgecorp appeared in the Auckland District Court this morning facing a variety of criminal and civil charges potentially carrying substantial prison terms and fines.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4858228a13.html

paul_nz

24-02-2009, 10:51 AM

It's such a pity we can't outsource the penal system to another country ourselves, somewhere where labour is substantially cheaper. I don't see how we gain by having to house criminals here at the often repeated $75,000 pa. If call centres are cheaper to run in the Philippines, why not our prison system...

Placebo

24-02-2009, 12:06 PM

minimoke

24-02-2009, 01:16 PM

My nomination for Scumbag of the Day is NZ's pornographer-in-chief Steve Crow. Coming to inflict himself on Christchurch next: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4857438a11.html.

Wellingtonians punished him by making his event lose money. Ha ha!! Only Aucklanders are gullible enough to give dosh to this bottom-feeder.
I wasn’t aware Crowe was involved in anything illegal. And in the courts view Crowe is doing something that many consider is harmless. Isn’t he just like any other trader: where there is demand someone will supply.

He’s offering employment to locals (providing they have boobs); entertainment for others and exercise for schoolboys who will be making a mad dash from the play grounds to Colombo Street on the 6th. His use of fuel efficient motor bikes over cars will be applauded by some and it could be said his lifestyle expo is encouraging more eco-friendly togetherness . And despite this you’d put him alongside other worthy nominees?

fungus pudding

24-02-2009, 01:37 PM

Placebo

24-02-2009, 03:42 PM

I wasn’t aware Crowe was involved in anything illegal. And in the courts view Crowe is doing something that many consider is harmless. Isn’t he just like any other trader: where there is demand someone will supply.

He’s offering employment to locals (providing they have boobs); entertainment for others and exercise for schoolboys who will be making a mad dash from the play grounds to Colombo Street on the 6th. His use of fuel efficient motor bikes over cars will be applauded by some and it could be said his lifestyle expo is encouraging more eco-friendly togetherness . And despite this you’d put him alongside other worthy nominees?

Moral degradation takes many forms, Minimoke. This is the chap who wanted to film a woman giving birth as part of a porn flick. He is all class.

Scuffer

24-02-2009, 05:03 PM

I'm all for them bring them on they have to be cheaper and recidivist criminality would disappear but what is good for the goose is good for the gander send the white collar crims there as well as the sex offenders and murderers.

minimoke

24-02-2009, 05:45 PM

. He is all class.
That he is. Only I tend to rate those who abuse a position of trust (particularly in regard to children); infringe on others personal and property rights and those who want to impose their views onto others (particularly without the evidence of benefit) as worse scum than some porn merchant. But whatever did happen to the child of that woman? Hopefully fostered to a caring home!

Placebo

25-02-2009, 10:26 AM

Skol

25-02-2009, 10:41 AM

All looks sweetness and light on the news front today.

There's a day for everything these days, so I think I will declare this "World Scumbag-Free Day". So please, all you potential and scumbags-to-be, no scumbaggery on 25 February. Ever.

:)

I'm not so sure about that, I've been thinking of nominating Scumbag(s) of the Day.
How about all the financial experts and whizz kids, bankers, private equity, hedge fund managers that were formally doted on and admired and are now reviled and despised, the recession having uncovered their confidence tricks and get rich quick schemes.
The former billionaires are becoming millionaires with one of Madoff's punters losing $500 million. Madoff's scheme has reached NZ according to the Herald.

Nita

25-02-2009, 12:13 PM

Stamford is a semi Robin Hood isnt he? Take from the rich and give to the poor and himself.

Just like Madoff, their clients have no qualms about the high returns they get and my guess is hear no evil see no evil

Skol

25-02-2009, 05:28 PM

Maybe we could make these tossers scumbags of the day. The intelligentsia. As you can see, NZ's in capable hands.

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10558500

25-02-2009, 07:34 PM

Maybe we could make these tossers scumbags of the day. The intelligentsia. As you can see, NZ's in capable hands.

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10558500

I wonder if any of these w4nkers were arrested.....

Drunk and disorderly
Violating alcohol bans
Indecent exposure
Assault
Damage to public property
Damage to private property
Littering
Offensive behavior

To name but a few offences committed.

Quote from the mayor.." Dunedin City Councillor Dave Cull was at a wine-tasting on the main street, and saw the aftermath.
"Why should we tolerate this here? I don't think there would be anywhere that this would be tolerated."

Good question Mr Mayor, why do you tolerate this disgraceful behaviour

minimoke

25-02-2009, 08:02 PM

Maybe we could make these tossers scumbags of the day. The intelligentsia. As you can see, NZ's in capable hands.

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10558500 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10558500)
We should never confuse intelligence with university attendance. Do your time, spend your fees and anyone can come out with a BA. The entry threshold is pretty low – Eight NCEA level 2 credits in reading and writing) is all that’s needed for the English requirement. That means that if the student can fill out a form they get to go to university. Being able to hold back a pint before chundering is probably another threshold – but I’m not sure how many did that yesterday. No doubt this morning these students will be experiencing a lesson in life but they won’t have learnt anything.

Placebo

26-02-2009, 09:20 AM

I can just see you all, sitting around in your cotton-top slacks and ruminating into your Bovril. Crikey. Once you guys get off your La-z-boys and stop choking on your pipe, you may remember that you were young once and that this is pretty innocent fun. I've been to Dunedin and a few drunken students on the razz is just what the place needs. ;)

Mischievous and misguided perhaps. But scumbags?

minimoke

26-02-2009, 09:38 AM

Mischievous and misguided perhaps. But scumbags?
I have no problem at all with students getting as pissed as they like. They can burn as many couches as they like as well. Provided it is their property they are damaging and they are not preventing others enjoy their own personal freedoms.

They certainly don’t deserve to be scumbags of the day because there are a lot of people doing a whole lot worse. But as we sit back with our walk socks pulled proudly high, cardigans buttoned, slippers waiting at the front door, when we return home with the challenge of finishing another peggy square or two tonight we should also ponder the lessons these student have learnt if they are allowed to trample on others rights.

After all they are already learning that money is free. They know if you are foreign you can flush a new born down the loo with little consequence– what else can we teach them.?

Dr_Who

26-02-2009, 01:35 PM

cliff

26-02-2009, 01:54 PM

hiawatha

26-02-2009, 03:19 PM

I will nominate someone from the ministry of defence for pulling the plug on a 2 million dollar clothing contract with a small town manufacturer, sending it offshore and putting further jobs at risk. Just when i thought this government was showing some initiative, they go and pull a stunt like this...i don't get it.

Whilst I don't think much of the Defence Dept's decision, I feel bound to say that the meaning of the word "scumbag" is becoming increasingly elastic.
hiawatha

Skol

26-02-2009, 04:42 PM

Come on, you guys are abit hard on them.

We've all been there and done something similar when we were at uni. Didnt you?

I've never been to uni thank goodness and never been responsible for drunken, wanton destruction of other peoples property.

Placebo

27-02-2009, 12:10 PM

Nomination of the day goes to the Wanganui low-lifes (is that a tautology?) that hurled rocks through the mayor's front window - which happened to be his daughter's bedroom (and clearly so with toys in the window). And all over a change in name. I am no fan of Michael Laws but to resort to physical attacks over such an issue is pretty poor form.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4861562a11.html

belgarion

27-02-2009, 01:01 PM

I've never been to uni thank goodness and never been responsible for drunken, wanton destruction of other peoples property.

No?

Really?

Never been to university?

I would never have guessed in a million years.

You always come accross as so well informed and so academic; and your posts read like scholar of note.

I'm absolutely gobsmacked!

Placebo

27-02-2009, 01:12 PM

Couple of excellent posts there, Belg, right up to your best.

Keep up the good work.

Much more and you'll find yourself nominated for a SOTD award yourself...

belgarion

27-02-2009, 03:36 PM

Much more and you'll find yourself nominated for a SOTD award yourself...

What I haven't already? ... Damn! Note to self - try harder!

paul_nz

03-03-2009, 08:57 AM

If he hasn't already been nominated, looks like it's back to this guy (the Taupo tourist killer):

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4865774a11.html

As if bashing to death a tourist and pleading guilty wasn't enough, he's now decided he wants to try to get away with it after all.

Hopefully the judge involved will not grant this plea change, and sentencing proceed as planned.

fungus pudding

03-03-2009, 09:11 AM

I will nominate someone from the ministry of defence for pulling the plug on a 2 million dollar clothing contract with a small town manufacturer, sending it offshore and putting further jobs at risk. Just when i thought this government was showing some initiative, they go and pull a stunt like this...i don't get it.

Wasn't this a sub-contract to the main supplier, which was an Australian company anyway? I don't think this decision had much to do with The Defence Dept. It was certainly out of the govt's hands.

Dr_Who

05-03-2009, 03:30 PM

Bryers charged in NZ, chasing cash in Aussie

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/1998706/Bryers-charged-in-NZ-chasing-cash-in-Aussie

Skol

06-03-2009, 02:29 PM

NZ's youngest killer, Bailey Junior Kurariki is back in court again for breaching parole, 3 weeks after the last time. Arrested in Royal Oak last night.

minimoke

06-03-2009, 02:57 PM

NZ's youngest killer, Bailey Junior Kurariki is back in court again for breaching parole, 3 weeks after the last time. Arrested in Royal Oak last night.
I think Placebo should set some rules for this thread. Bailey is going to always get into trouble so he’s got a real good chance of receiving multiple awards. His behaviours not going to change so he, by his very nature, is going to stop other deserving pieces of ****e get the award. What about something like getting the Award and then a bar for each new award. Bailey will have a shirt full by the time he’s 20. Unless of course we just accept he’s in real good training to become the Michael Phelps of the scumbag world and simply give credit where credit is due.

Placebo

06-03-2009, 03:07 PM

Yeah.

I like the idea of a scumbag roll of dishonour. I see no reason why people shouldn't have multiple nominations.

Which means I now have to go back through the list and compile said roll :(

All in a good cause tho. Come year-end we can declare an "official" Scumbag of the Year. You don't win anything for this, but hopefully you lose your freedom.

Placebo

06-03-2009, 04:54 PM

Well it's just over a month since this thread started and already it's up to 15 pages. Well done team (though much of it is people arguing with Hiawatha - not to worry spirited debate is what it's all about eh!)

To date there have been 32 nominations for a Scumbag of the Day award. Three people (Jahche Broughton, Junior Bailey Kurariki and Mark Bryers) have two nominations. Some nominations are for organisations. Others are for unnamed individuals (some of who may be later named once court suppression orders are lifted).

Not so keen on rules, but would suggest the following guidance:

No overseas people please - unless they are active, or impacting on, New Zealand or New Zealanders.

Organisations are okay if they are particularly scumbaggy, but individuals are preferred. There is one nomination for five Bridgecorp directors. Nomination is fine but makes it hard to isolate them all, as some of them are charged separately.

Where possible, name the individual. For example there is one nomination for a Lower Hutt judge who freed Mongrel Mob members. This is okay, but if we were actually awarding something we would need to know which judge.

Multiple nominations are fine, however people/organisations cannot be nominated twice for the same event. To be nominated twice, you would have to do two scumbaggy things. So the three double nominations we have so far are fine (e.g., Mark Bryers is nominated for facing criminal charges over collapse of Blue Chip, and also for seeking to re-enter the ASX while those charges are pending).

Hope that clarifies. And remember, it's only a bit of fun :)

HarryFlashman

06-03-2009, 09:45 PM

Can I nominate the lawyer now representing the piece of low-life trash who killed Karen Aim? Chris Wilkinson-Smith has succeeded in creating enough confusion to delay said piece of trash's sentencing depriving Karen's family of the chance to be there when he was sent down. No doubt the prospect of milking the case for more legal aid fees was the furthest thing from the mind of this fearless campaigner for justice.
What an absolute tw@t.
Cheers
Harry

hiawatha

06-03-2009, 11:13 PM

Nevl

06-03-2009, 11:26 PM

Didn't he change his lawyer? Presumably he thought the first one gave him bad advice by advising to pleady guilty. I would think his current lawyer is just doing his job.
hiawatha

How is advising your client who has already admitted to doing the crime to plead not guilty "just doing his job"? What crap. This Lawyer is just milking the legal aid process and causing undue stress and confusion for an overburdened legal system. He should be disbarred immediately.

hiawatha

06-03-2009, 11:32 PM

How is advising your client who has already admitted to doing the crime to plead not guilty "just doing his job"? What crap. This Lawyer is just milking the legal aid process and causing undue stress and confusion for an overburdened legal system. He should be disbarred immediately.

He may have pleaded guilty because his original lawyer advised him to. He may, at a later date, have considered this bad advice and sought a second opinion. We don't know whether the new lawyer has a worthwhile defence to offer or whether he is simply milking the system.
hiawatha

Major von Tempsky

07-03-2009, 08:30 AM

Nevl

07-03-2009, 09:07 AM

Remember the crocodile tears from lawyer Barry Hart when that worthless nutter Antonie Dixon did away with himself in prison recently and spared the NZ taxpayer the expense of yet another pointless trial and rudely abbreviated Barry Hart's legal aid earnings.

Barry Hart was on the news last night trying to get his client computer access so he could keep his drug dealing business.

Sorry Hiawatha but he plead guilty so he should be sentenced immediatly to the maximum prison sentence less 6 months for the guilty plea. The lawyer is being a scumbag.

Skol

07-03-2009, 09:46 AM

The first lawyer Broughton had convinced him to plead guilty because "it's the right thing to do", which it was.

Placebo

09-03-2009, 02:26 PM

HarryFlashman's nomination meets the criteria outlined below and is therefore valid.

The Broughton/Aim case is generating its share of angst...

In reviewing the nominations, many of us have taken the approach to nominate someone arrested for a crime. This, of course, assumes guilt. Perhaps in such cases while a person is under arrest awaiting trial, we should regard them as an "alleged scumbag", until such time as they are found guilty (or not!).

Once we've all calmed down a bit there is such a thing as due process. But of course, once the case is proven, it's all gloves off :)

minimoke

09-03-2009, 03:23 PM

The Broughton/Aim case is generating its share of angst...

In reviewing the nominations, many of us have taken the approach to nominate someone arrested for a crime. This, of course, assumes guilt. Perhaps in such cases while a person is under arrest awaiting trial, we should regard them as an "alleged scumbag", until such time as they are found guilty (or not!).

Not sure there is much need for that. Sure “alleged” murderer (or whatever) is probably more correct but let’s face it: a scumbag is a scumbag regardless of their latest act.

Take Jah Che (prodigal scumbag being named like that - I bet the family has a history. Then again Shane is a good name for hiding racial origins); he’ll be put away for murder but when it comes to sentencing he’ll have a long rap sheet already. You don’t go (with the very rare exception) from “boy next door” to 15 year old carrying a baseball bat at midnight to a murder suspect without some prior history (like a previous assault) – and that’s enough to give the person a “scumbag“ award.

hiawatha

09-03-2009, 04:08 PM

The first lawyer Broughton had convinced him to plead guilty because "it's the right thing to do", which it was.

What he ought to do is put up the best defence possible. At law that's his entitlement. Any lawyer who advised him to plead guilty because it's the "right thing to do" is obviously not doing his job. It may well be the best thing to do if it gets him a lighter sentence of course, but not because it's the "right thing to do". I'm not surprised he changed his lawyer.
hiawatha

Skol

09-03-2009, 05:18 PM

Nevl

09-03-2009, 05:20 PM

What he ought to do is put up the best defence possible. At law that's his entitlement. Any lawyer who advised him to plead guilty because it's the "right thing to do" is obviously not doing his job. It may well be the best thing to do if it gets him a lighter sentence of course, but not because it's the "right thing to do". I'm not surprised he changed his lawyer.
hiawatha

And Hiawatha neatly encapsulates everything that is wrong with our legal system and the fact that we have a legal system not a justice system!!

outspoken

09-03-2009, 05:26 PM

Perhaps in such cases while a person is under arrest awaiting trial, we should regard them as an "alleged scumbag", until such time as they are found guilty (or not!). chuckle...nice one..."alleged scumbag"

1st Lawyer: "So what happened?"

"I hit her with a baseball bat, she fell to the ground smacking her head on the concrete and blood started coming out"

1st Lawyer: "I think you should plead guilty, because it's the right thing to do"

2nd Lawyer: "Change your plea, clearly it was the concrete that caused her death"....walks off counting his legal aid cheques.

Skol

09-03-2009, 09:04 PM

Hope you watched TV3 tonight on the Broughton case.
His mother, when asked the question if he'd been in any other trouble said "yes, graffitti, the usual teenage things, burglary".
This scumbag is as guilty as sin. Apparently he is going to plead guilty, even though his mother doesn't think he is. She says he is 'involved' though.
He attacked another woman with a rock 2 weeks before.

shasta

09-03-2009, 09:24 PM

777

09-03-2009, 09:25 PM

Maybe his mother should be the scumbag. Where was she when he was growing up.

shasta

09-03-2009, 09:28 PM

Maybe his mother should be the scumbag. Where was she when he was growing up.

I just saw this news article that makes me both sick & angry...

Perhaps tomorrow's "special" scumbags?

Police hunt youths who attacked invalid

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10560760

Good to see he got one of the gutless cowards back!

hiawatha

09-03-2009, 09:52 PM

If he told his previous lawyer he did it, which he must have done, then to plead guilty was the right thing to do.
I can't think of any mitigating circumstances, unless it the usual "I was abused a child" crap.
If he's found guilty, he'll cop a longer sentence, but make life a lot more difficult and much more expensive for Karen Aim's family in the meantime.

We don't know what he told his first lawyer. He may not have told him anything. That lawyer may have told him that things looked so bad for him that he'd do better to plead guilty whether he did it or not - like the chap in the TV serial which screened earlier this year, Criminal Justice, was told.
hiawatha

Nevl

09-03-2009, 10:36 PM

We don't know what he told his first lawyer. He may not have told him anything. That lawyer may have told him that things looked so bad for him that he'd do better to plead guilty whether he did it or not - like the chap in the TV serial which screened earlier this year, Criminal Justice, was told.
hiawatha

TV 3 said he was going to still plead guilty so don't try to get him off, like he was railroaded into it. His security guard mate also dobbed him in live on TV. How can you write this sentence "better to plead guilty whether he did it or not " thats just utter crap and totally discredits you.

hiawatha

09-03-2009, 10:59 PM

TV 3 said he was going to still plead guilty so don't try to get him off, like he was railroaded into it. His security guard mate also dobbed him in live on TV. How can you write this sentence "better to plead guilty whether he did it or not " thats just utter crap and totally discredits you.

It doesn't discredit me, as a matter of fact. I actually used the subjunctive mood. But you obviously know what passed between Broughton and his lawyer - even though it was probably confidential. So I guess you must be psychic. Or is that yiou are simply believing what it suits you to believe?
hiawatha
ps: I was not arguing his guilt or innocence - that's for the courts to decide. I was merely arguing his right to plead not guilty and to defend himself. Nobody else on this forum seems to believe he has that right.

Major von Tempsky

10-03-2009, 08:26 AM

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10-03-2009, 08:58 AM

How is it, that without really trying, that Hiawatha manages to make himself universally detested by practically every other poster on Sharetrader, by trying defend the indefensible, by going against the norms of normal decent people and society....

I used to think he just played devils advocate but now think he is just wired differently to everyone else.

minimoke

10-03-2009, 09:16 AM

How is it, that without really trying, that Hiawatha manages to make himself universally detested by practically every other poster on Sharetrader, by trying defend the indefensible, by going against the norms of normal decent people and society....
That’s a bit unfair MVT. Of course the lad has a chance to plead guilty or not guilty. And we see it often enough as people change their pleas for a lesser charge. There might have been an opportunity to go not guilty for murder and guilty for manslaughter.
I would have thought Manslaughter would have been the route after all it is every persons right under the treaty to carry a baseball bat at night. Every right thinking lad knows any chick walking alone at night is fair game, particularly if she’s wearing something provocative like, lets say clothes. Was it the wee fellows fault that she probably suffered from egg shell skull, after all the warrior class are made of sterner stuff. And then there is his upbringing stuffed at birth by being born into a family where creative names is the cool thing to do with your spawn and burglary is the expected norm in a child’s development.

But I guess we could blame the education system. Ask the poor chap to comprehend two words, like “not guilty” strung together in a simple sentence is probably not what his teachers taught him on the day he went to school.

Placebo

10-03-2009, 09:22 AM

Maybe his mother should be the scumbag. Where was she when he was growing up.

John Campbell interviewed the mother on Campbell Live recently. It's probably still available on the TV3 website. Find out from the horse's mouth!

Of course Broughton has the right to a good defence, and to test the law. But of course, the Aim family also has a right to justice. If he did it, the honourable thing (ha!) is to plead guilty. If he feels he has a defence (what? self-defence? it wasn't me, honest guv), then defend the charge. But to me the rights of the victim, and their family, override the rights of the person who did the act.