Helen, Hitler and Hamas are all the same

[Mindless]

And so Hamas says thanks to NZ.

We can all be so proud of NZ now as a bastion of freedom and sovereignty. We slag off at the only real democracy in the Middle East over two forged passports (without any proof of Israeli goverment involvement)in an ocean of tyranny and backwardness - but we are happy to keep quiet about terrorists beheading hostages in Iraq.

Yes, soon Bush will come to liberate NZ of Helen. No one must speak out against illegal acts by foreigners unless it is the mighty USA.

The war of freedom must be brought to NZ for Helen has used angry words against Israel! No, there is no hypocricy with regard to the US silence when France bombed NZ.

I will continue my lies and twisting of the truth until you all admit that NZ cannot decide its own actions and policies - Mindless.

[mikescott]

And NZ proudly joins France as a country where desecration of Jewish cemetaries happen. Guess why?

Cemetery desecrated in France
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3680849.stm

About 20 tombstones were vandalised at Niederhaslach
Vandals have daubed swastikas on graves at a Christian cemetery in eastern France, two days after a similar incident at a nearby Jewish cemetery.
Tombstones were found desecrated at Niederhaslach cemetery in Alsace, near the German border, on Sunday.

On Friday, swastikas and anti-Semitic graffiti were discovered at a Jewish cemetery in Herrlisheim.

The French government has strongly condemned the desecrations. It is unclear who is responsible.

France has suffered a wave of anti-Semitic violence coinciding with renewed fighting in the Middle East.

Many of the attacks have been blamed on young Muslims - although it is unclear who is behind the cemetery incidents in Alsace.

The local Council of the Muslim Faith has called for those responsible to be punished "with then utmost severity".

On Monday, French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin reaffirmed his "firm condemnation of all racist or anti-Semitic attacks".

He spoke after meeting the head of the French Council of the Muslim Faith, Dalil Boubakeur, in Paris.

Desecration of the dead

By Dominic Casciani
BBC News Online community affairs reporter


There are widespread fears of rising anti-Semitism in Europe and the UK. But it's not just the living being targeted - very often it's the dead.

Toppled stones at the cemetery
At the entrance to Jewish plot in Chatham in north Kent, there is a remembrance stone for the victims of the Holocaust.

The family who erected the monument included the words "to all victims of persecution", reminding those who see it that prejudice comes in many forms.

But while the monument stands, 21 gravestones lie flat. Subsidence is not to blame. These stones were deliberately and systematically knocked over, one at a time, on the night of 20 and 21 November.

Gabriel Lancaster, chairman of the community's burials committee, wants to get on with repairs and ease the minds of families.

But the stones, now covered with the debris of winter, must remain in situ because regulations require modifications to prevent such desecration happening again.

"There are a number of other faiths and communities in this cemetery - Sikhs, Chinese, Muslim and of course Christian," says Mr Lancaster.

"I've been around all of them. None of them have been touched in the way our plot was. It clearly indicates a racist intent."

Safe from harm

The Medway is one of most important places for Anglo-Jewish history; it has long been a gateway to the UK for the Jewish traders and families who have fled persecution in eastern Europe.

Mr Lancaster has himself uncovered a reference to families given protection in Rochester in 1180.
All they have done is upset people - there's no real thought gone into what they did other than to try and antagonise people

Gabriel Lancaster


Viewpoints: Anti-Semitism and Europe

Today the Jewish community is small - perhaps only 40 individuals and families - and the pretty synagogue lies at its heart.

Throughout this history, says Mr Lancaster, the community has suffered little to no anti-Semitism. This time he believes it has been targeted.

"This was quite deliberate - they must have taken some time to do it.

"This is the first really nasty attack we have ever had. It sounds trite, but it's mindless vandalism," he says.

"All they have done is upset people - there's no real thought gone into what they did other than, I suppose, to try and antagonise people."

Kent Police are treating the incident as racially motivated but say they are keeping an open mind.

Local residents speculate that rather than racism, it could have been drunken teenagers.

But even if racism isn't to blame, it's certainly been a local talking point after the far-right British National Party unsuccessfull

[Capitalist]

Trolls, Minder, trolls.

Love him or hate him, at least Minder has the guts to speak out. There are many here who feel the same but remain silent, which is revolting IMO.

He is certainly no worse than lunatic sharemarket conspiracy theorists, drongos who cannot see the big picture (those who think the market exists in a contextual vacuum, and politics and economics matter not), new-age greeting card writers, and the Village Idiot Awryly.

[Awryly]

Thank you, Cap, for your advanced-member endorsement.

[Mindless]

Yes I be a troll. I find posts on net and make false connections. Anything to attack freedom.

I hate France, I hate New Zealand. I have so much guts that I speak out often even if it is a lot of garbage.

You can't stop a mindless troll like me. Hamas praised NZ action therefore NZ must be anti-semitic and be sucking up to Israel haters. All hail my logic - mindless the ultimate troll.

[mikescott]

Good boy, Mindless - now you are making as much sense as that Helen manipulated Gryffyn!

You must like Hamas praising NZ's anti-Israel action.

So well done, Helen, Mindless and Gryffyn. [^]

[Mindless]

Thank you - I try be like you and spew forth sh1t for all to read because I can not argue logically.

[mikescott]

Mindless=Gryffyn, good to see you agreeing to basic logic at last. :D:D:D

Good boy. ;)

[Capitalist]

Stop your acid-brained obsession with me Awryly. You have been trying to get my attention with multiple 5 word inane postings for some time, and it has been commented on privately.

Back up the truck Mister or I will get your ISP traced.

[Gryffyn]

Easy cap - I thought you were of the ignore and they will diminish creed - not that I've managed to do much cheek turning lately :-)

ISP tracing is easy but pointless in a forum like this.

[Awryly]

Cap:

1. My 'obssesion' (as you are of a mind to call it) is the fascination of a cat contemplating a doomed rat;
2. Your 'attention' (as you are of as mind to call it) is merely a passing amusement;
3. The comments of your privates (as you are of a mind to call them) are not of my business or interest;
4. I do not own a truck;
5. Increedlessness, Gry, is your strongest point.
;)

[Awryly]

quote:Originally posted by Awryly

Cap:

1. My 'obsession' (as you are of a mind to call it) is the fascination of a cat contemplating a doomed rat;
2. Your 'attention' (as you are of as mind to call it) is merely a passing amusement;
3. The comments of your privates (as you are of a mind to call them) are not of my business or interest;
4. I do not own a truck;
5. Increedlessness, Gry, is your strongest point.
;)

[mikescott]

A, ever try cleaning out that profanity biased brain of yours? You might actually then see and make some sense!

[Awryly]

Mind your language, Minder. "Clean" would be a new concept, wouldn't it?

[mikescott]

Ever see me use a profanity despite the greatest provocation, A?

Not that I don't like sex, of course I do. :D:D:D

[Gryffyn]

I find the lies more offensive.

[mikescott]

Agreed, lies are more offensive.[^]

Lies that Helen (and so, NZ) did not provoke the desecration of the Jewish cemetary and draw the praise of Hamas by an over the top reaction anti-Israel to two forged passports.

Sand starting to cover your ears as well, Gryffyn?:D

[Gryffyn]

Yawn.

[Gryffyn]

Pressure is building on Israel's Government to apologise for breaching New Zealand's sovereignty in the passports affair.

In an editorial the influential Haaretz newspaper, which is considered "reliable" by Israel's powerful Ministry of Foreign Affairs, criticised the action by alleged Mossad agents as damaging "the foreign relations of Israel, its reputation and the operational capabilities of Israel's intelligence agencies".

Opposition MPs such as Yossi Sarid also want the Government to apologise, and the Knesset (Israeli Parliament) Foreign Affairs and Defence committee to hold a formal inquiry into the actions of the pair, Urie Kelman and Eli Cara, "who were not too brilliant in their activities".

In an interview with the Herald, Mr Sarid criticised Foreign Minister Sylvan Shalom, who last week said he "regretted" New Zealand's reaction, for making a "half apology" to the New Zealand Government.

"Israel has shown a degree of arrogance," said Mr Sarid.

"The Government of Israel should apologise to the Government and people of New Zealand."

"New Zealand is a friendly country, there is no reason to interfere with its sovereignty. If you are caught you have to apologise ... because at the end of the day there will be an apology."

MP Zahava Galon said the fiasco makes "more necessary than ever the passage of a law governing the Mossad's activities and parliamentary supervision".

The Haaretz editorial was blunt: "In order to contain the damage that has been caused it would be appropriate for the Government to hurry up and apologise and provide the explanations that the Government of New Zealand is asking."

But informed sources suggest there is still some way to go before Israel publicly backs down on the affair.

They suggest that New Zealand has overcooked the effect of the diplomatic sanctions. While New Zealand cabinet ministers and officials at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade have to observe strict constraints on contact with Israel's honorary consul, that does not preclude using vital back-channels between New Zealand and Jerusalem-based officials to move towards a resolution.

Officials here view New Zealand's diplomatic sanctions as lacking teeth, and in interviews for domestic Israeli consumption have suggested they are "misleading".

They have a point. For instance, the diplomatic sanctions stop short of imposing trade barriers with Israel, which would have had an immediate effect given this country's trade surplus with New Zealand.

[Gryffyn]

Good to know that Israelies recognise NZ as friendly and their own actions in this instance as wrong though isn't it minder.

[Awryly]

Minder

I agree that my first post was a bit on the rough side and have accordingly deleted it. I'll leave it to you and Gryf to debate your various truths.