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ratkin
24-07-2004, 09:54 AM
Packer swoops to crack TAB monopoly
By Daniel Hoare
July 23, 2004

AFTER an intense behind-the-scenes lobbying campaign to win approval for offshore internet gambling, billionaire Kerry Packer has joined the world's biggest betting exchange in a bid to smash the long-held monopoly of the TABs.
Publishing and Broadcasting Ltd, Mr Packer's publicly listed company, has taken a 50 per cent stake in Betfair, capitalising on a federal government decision last week to allow the London-based internet gambling outfit to operate in Australia.
The move could revolutionise the wagering industry, with punters expected to flock to Betfair, which allows them to bet directly against each other, thereby offering higher odds.
It comes after intense lobbying by PBL and Betfair, who secured cabinet support to leave open a loophole in the Interactive Gambling Act allowing international operators to encroach on the long-held turf of the TABs.
Sources in Canberra told The Australian that PBL had intensely lobbied the majority of cabinet ministers to open the door to foreigners before making an official play for Betfair.
"PBL's lobbying was the real reason the Government left the legislation alone," the source said.
"Cabinet was split on the issue - certainly the Prime Minister wasn't in favour of betting exchanges initially."
Betfair has been operating on Australian events since early 2003, and was given federal government approval to continue despite an aggressive campaign by the TABs to prevent international competition.
The company posted a net profit of pound stg. 8 million in 2003 - only its third year of operation - and is expected to erode tens of millions of dollars in revenue from the TABs, who have long held a monopoly on offcourse wagering in Australia.
Betfair aims to become licensed in all states and territories, which could make it a key player in the nation's $128 billion gambling market.
The British company said it would pay the same percentage of state revenues as the TABs, which is believed to be between 20 and 40 per cent.
The company has approached the Australian Football League, National Rugby League, Australian Rugby Union and Tennis Australia offering to pay fees, and has signed a memorandum of understanding with the Australian Cricket Board to allow it access to betting records to help investigate corruption.
All of the state and territory governments except the Northern Territory and Tasmania have publicly opposed foreign betting exchanges.
However, gambling industry sources told The Australian that most gaming ministers had privately conceded they would support licensing Betfair rather than see licence fees go to another jurisdiction.
Tabcorp, which recently swallowed the NSW TAB to form a $7.8 billion gambling empire, said yesterday it would not introduce an exchange competitor to Betfair.
Internet betting exchanges have been widely opposed by anti-gambling groups. John Dalziel, head of the Interchurch gambling taskforce, said any new form of gambling would create more problem gamblers in Australia.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10216360%255E7582,00.html

Oracle
25-07-2004, 10:21 AM
Ratkin

Has to be good, more volume through Aussie races etc.

Currently I am about all square, after a month. Initially lost 25%, but have recovered. Horses are the best. Sports are a gamble.

I have been caught several times by the race closing early, particularly in US!

I have not been able to use Betfair since Friday! Is it down? Can you get in?

blackcap
25-07-2004, 06:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by Oracle

Ratkin

Has to be good, more volume through Aussie races etc.

Currently I am about all square, after a month. Initially lost 25%, but have recovered. Horses are the best. Sports are a gamble.

I have been caught several times by the race closing early, particularly in US!

I have not been able to use Betfair since Friday! Is it down? Can you get in?


Oracle, you should be able to use it. I can get in. Maybe cause they have swithced to their new site, but if you type in www.betfair.com it should automatically re-direct you.

Hope that helps.

Oracle
25-07-2004, 07:30 PM
Blackcap

That is the old site, which I can use. However I have been using the new site, & they closed half a day last week for maintenance, but I have not been able to do anything other than load the home page, since.

blackcap
25-07-2004, 07:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by Oracle

Blackcap

That is the old site, which I can use. However I have been using the new site, & they closed half a day last week for maintenance, but I have not been able to do anything other than load the home page, since.


Sorry Oracle, cant help you there. I have been typing in the web address, which then redirects me to the new site. Then on the new site I click on the link at the top which lets you trade under the old site. You can still loging under the old platform.

Interestingly you mention that you have sucess with the horses and not the sports. For me its the other way around, I have success with the sports and not the racing.

Do you use the TAB odds at all when determining whether something is a good back or lay? (Horses that is). With the sports I tend to arbitrage with the NZ Tab and some Aussie bookies. Seems to work well example in point: at half time in the rugby the NZ Tab had NZ quoted at 1.90 while it was possible to lay off on betfair at 1.73. If you use thousands of dollars that makes quite a nice profit.

Would be interested as to your techniques for the horses. Do you contribute to the betfair forum at all? I do mainly on the rugby and cricket forums under the same username as on here.

Regards
Blackcap

Oracle
25-07-2004, 08:08 PM
Blackcap

With the horses, I do almost exactly as Ratkin said, on the previous thread. Although sometimes I will back first, if I think the price will decrease. On a second computer, I have a bookie or TAB site up giving their odds. (UK,US or Aus), which I use as a guide. I do have a bit of horse sense, that helps esp. with Aussie. Have owned shares in horses, and been an occaisional, mild, punter.

.....I have just become aware of "quadrasite." Free software that divides your screen in 4, so you can have 4 windows open.

With the horses, UK is far the best because of the volumes.

With the sports I have not used the "in play", but will now keep an eye on it. I have bet on Wimbledon & on tp 5 finishers in the golf, with varying success. But these do tend to be gambles.

Oracle
25-07-2004, 08:12 PM
...No, as yet I have not contributed to forum, but read it. I also read the Racingtraders forum that is useful. Useful reference there to quicker refresh facility.

blackcap
25-07-2004, 10:51 PM
Thanks for the info there Oracle.

Might have another go at the races sometime. I quess it boils down to expereince and as such I dont have much at the moment. With the sports betting, the only problem is that you need a good chunk of cash in a TAB account. But other than that it works well most times. You do have to do a bit of searching to find an arb, but once you have tried it for a while and establish a niche things seem to work pretty well.

If you ever want some info on the sports you can contact me on the rugby forum if you like. Would be happy to share tips.

Regards
Blackcap

p.s are you able to access the site at all? Good luck.

ratkin
26-07-2004, 07:01 AM
Glad to hear that you are doing well oracle. Its not to difficult to make a profit trading provided you stay focused. The U.K racing is indeed the best and provided you have the live odds up from the racing post then you should do fine.
I believe some users have been having a problem connecting lately, something to do with nortons firewall i believe.
The fix is
goto Tools -> Internet Options -> Advanced and unticked the box "checking for errors in java-scripts", and now it will load the markets... betfair should put this into a faq of some sort.

If you still have problems then betfair suggest this
Posted by : Betfair 25 Jul 00:34

Some customers are having problems with viewing the new site due to the installation of the Norton Personal Firewall. By logging onto http://www.betfairpromo.com/helpdesk/NortonFirewall.pdf you will find guidance if you are experiencing problems.
Please note that this information will be downloaded to your computer in a PDF Format.

Personally i dont use the global betfair site, i just use
http://www.betfair.com/

ratkin
26-07-2004, 07:08 AM
Only another four weeks of uk night racing to go unfortunatly.
It has been very profitable so far and my profits are way up on last year. This is partly to do with being more experienced and ppartly having more confidence to trade larger amounts.
The australian racing i fiind harder, more difficult to predict price movements and liquidity is lower. Saturdays i usually make about 20-30 pounds profit on the australian racing using 30 pound stakes. Larger amounts i find can be difficult to get matched.

I can turn profit during the week on australian racing but great care is needed and the profits are not really worth it. I can trundle along at around 3 pounds an hour profit on average but i cant usually be bothered. The british racing iis far more lucrative although once the night racing finishes i will be forced to either go nocturnal or scratch around on the australian racing.

ratkin
26-07-2004, 07:10 AM
Good to see betfair won its court case against the australian TAB.
nO chance of it being banned in the near future. A good victory for the best technology

Oracle
26-07-2004, 09:23 AM
Ratkin & BC

Thanks for posts. I am anticipating that the increased publicity for Betfair, will give good opportunities during the Aussie spring racing.

ratkin
26-07-2004, 05:23 PM
The campaign by the TABs in oz to have betfair banned (unsucessful) will backfire on them badly.
All it has done is give publicity to betfair. Also people will realise that if the TABS were desperate to ban betfair then there must be something good about it.
I dont think the TABS need to worry to much though, the average betting shop person isnt the same sort of individual who eill use betfair.
Betfair users typically are new to racing and are more computer type people who would not spend money gambling on the TABs anyway.

Betfair should actually be good for racing in australia, the profile will increase and when betfair is licenced there then they will be giving them a share of profits