Money and Sex

[Capitalist]

This guy has an interesting theory on the value of money. A few commentators have said he is being "too masculine" and that his theory is offensive, while others say that what people call shallow just happens to be a fact of life, and he has made a good observation....

Money and Sex
Business & Economics
by Michael Williams

Money used to be backed by gold and may now be backed by other securities, but I'd like to suggest that the real reason money (or gold itself, or other securities) has value is because it's backed by sex. Maybe it's just the amateur population geneticist in me, but biologically just about everything comes down to sex, even abstract social constructs like money.

Money(/gold/whatever) has value because it can be converted to sex. Money serves a complementary biological purpose for both genders: men want to have sex as much as possible, and women want to have their children protected and provided for -- and money can help them accomplish both. Not directly, of course, unless you're inordinately attracted to portraits of Alexander Hamilton and Adam Weishaupt or can build a shelter out of tiny pieces of paper, but indirectly because people are willing to perform sex-related services (such as getting married) in exchange for wealth and its accoutrements.

Prostitution is often considered "the oldest profession", and it's also the most direct tie between money and sex. Even before there was money, wealthy nobles would send their daughters off to marry the sons of other nobles, trading sex for protection and prosperity. Are many modern marriages much different?

Money is to humans what plumage is to pea****s, and ultimately it's most important purpose is to attract a high-quality mate. As long as it's successful in this it needs no other intrinsic value

THE KING says that in the long run Money and Sex have never mixed what ever way you mite think. ;)

[Halebop]

I broadly agree Cap. A few friends and I have had a running gag for years that everything we do is because of sex. Certainly a modern alpha male doesn't have to have a protruding forehead and square jawline anymore. An amply endowed male might be packing nothing more than a healthy share portfolio or a few rental properties (I use endowed in the broadest sense and not the freudian).

I do wonder though - with woman from younger demographics becoming statistically better educated than men perhaps in the future they will wield more wealth and a better capacity to earn? Still, it will probably be balanced by men's innate aggressiveness but there is certainly a window for men's roles to become marginal or at least closer to equal.

My girlfriend would argue we are there already! She goes out to work each day while I do the cooking and most of the housework (I still have issues with vacuuming). Whatever happens hopefully we'll still all need the sex though... [:p]

[Capitalist]

I agree to a certain extent KING...People value things other than sex. They may want power, security, prestige, or comfort in any kinds of proportions. People are so interesting and unpredictable precisely because they have multiple competing desires.

Money is indeed *one* way of attracting a mate ;).

I agree with you Halebop...basically people aren't only after sex, they're after happiness -- but that's avoiding this guy's real point, which is that what makes people happy is sex and those things that relate to it, one of those is money.

[Capitalist]

quote:Originally posted by Halebop


I do wonder though - with woman from younger demographics becoming statistically better educated than men perhaps in the future they will wield more wealth and a better capacity to earn? Still, it will probably be balanced by men's innate aggressiveness but there is certainly a window for men's roles to become marginal or at least closer to equal.



Getting way off tangent here, but yes..the topic of why "nice" guys have very little success with women in often brought up on a psych list I belong to (brought up by men who feel they have been fooled by this media induced premise). Women want assertive men, not the SNAG types, regardless of income. Goes back to the hunter-gatherer days I suppose ;)

[thereslifeafter87]

Women, like everyone, seem to be attracted to what they can't have (or what they think they can't have :) )

Money is hard to get, therefore we are attracted to it.

[duncan macgregor]

Men and Woman view sex completely In a different light. Men think Its funny If a woman rapes a man lucky bugger they think. If a man rapes a woman Its a crime deserving castration most woman think. People think money Is what matters In life. It can buy sex and life styles they think that will make them happy. WRONG WRONG WRONG what people deep down really want has nothing to do with money or sex. Most people that have real money suddenly find what really matters In life Is the power to control others. Ask yourself the question, [how any polititions retire gracefully the way you would expect]. It gets bigger than that, control countries live by the rules we dictate, do it our way or you will be taken over.
Most people whether they realise It or not, want to have their name written up In the history books In a great memorial to take as a reference to the next world. Power Is what you all want, power to act like a god, get a bit of money together, then you will know that I am right. Personaly guys I would be happier broke with a bit of good sex. Always vote them out, never give them a second turn, It only encourages them. cheers MACDUNK

[devito]

quote:A few friends and I have had a running gag for years that everything we do is because of sex.

Everything we do is to avoid pain. We eat because we get a pain in our tummies, we heat our homes because being cold is painful, we drive because we get blisters walking, we have sex because we get a painful urge when we don't. Even our entertainment is to avoid the pain of boredom.

[k1w1]

Well I was well into my twenties before I discovered that sex could involve another person . Is that because I was broke, Cap ?

[Cooper]

I would tend to think money is more of a signal, not in itself the message... if you think of money as "points" in a game, with the points going to those who have the better attributes (mental, physical, emotional), and that having money signals to others that you are winning the game and are therefore worth mating with... on the assumption that females want not only a happy life but to produce offspring with the attributes that she deems important to succeed in life. Therefore "getting yo' bling" on is just a signal that you have the attributes needed to make money, and therefore succeed, which means you are worthy of passing on your genes.

[duncan macgregor]

KIWI my old mate the dreaded aussies have a saying **** **** money In the bank. You aint one of them are you.
ps you owe me one for that. cheers macdunk

[k1w1]

Isn't it 4X's not 4*'s,MacDunk ?

[Lawso]

k1w1: You remind me of that English poet (forget his name) who reckons sex is something too beautiful to share with anyone else!

Poor b+++++d

[Cooper]

K1W1: Something must have been broke...

[Capitalist]

quote:Originally posted by k1w1

Well I was well into my twenties before I discovered that sex could involve another person . Is that because I was broke, Cap ?


:D:D:D

Bejus K1w1, I think you've got it!!!

You may scoff but the National Bureau of Economic Research (US) has come to a variety of empirical conclusions on this subject... They found that money increases happiness independently of how sex increases happiness.

The power to reproduce the clan is a powerful motivator even if it results in such detestable phenomena as “trust fund kids”. ;)[:I][:0]

[Awryly]

Be aware, the gentlemen among you. Loose labia sink ships.

[Capitalist]

I'm getting your IP address traced Awryly. I'm sick of you ambushing me. You are a stalker. Cyber-harrassment is actionable.

[Awryly]

Excuse me? I responded to a dumb thread, possbily dumbly, but that's for others to decide. If you don't like a challenge, don't start a thread.

[Awryly]

.. and stop taking yourself so seriously. You're not that good.

[Capitalist]

You have been intent on ruining this forum for me with your constant harrassment.

Any further correspondence will be from my solicitor. You had been warned to cease harrassing me. You chose to ignore that warning.

[Awryly]

My 'intention' has been nothing of the kind. I merely accept the opportunities that are presented to me.

[Capitalist]

You have and you know it. I will give you one last chance Awryly (and I know who you are, and your address and phone number -- that took five minutes).

Cease harrassing me and following me around ShareTrader, and posting sexually offensive postings in relation to me.

If you take me on you will not win.

[wsheridan]

quote:Originally posted by Capitalist

You have and you know it. I will give you one last chance Awryly (and I know who you are, and your address and phone number -- that took five minutes).




I do hope you haven;t breached's Awryly's privacy rights :D[}:)]

I can't say I see anything sexually offensive in what he's said ... maybe I need to think more laterally.

Certainly there was no mention of anything like back door listings or Fannie Mae placements [:0][}:)]

[Capitalist]

All I have to do in my position is to say "I feel threatened."

Awryly has made several obscene comments about me on other threads.



"Cyberstalking, which is simply an extension of the physical form of stalking, is where the electronic mediums such as the Internet are used to pursue, harass or contact another in an unsolicited fashion. Most often, given the vast distances that the Internet spans, this behaviour will never manifest itself in the physical sense but this does not mean that the pursuit is any less distressing. There are a wide variety of means by which individuals may seek out and harass individuals even though they may not share the same geographic borders, and this may present a range of physical, emotional, and psychological consequences to the victim."

The “contact” of a stalker can range from unwelcome advances and obscene offerings, to disparaging, demeaning, slanderous, vile, or threatening comments made in a chat room, on a bulletin board, through Email, instant message, or any other on-line communication medium.

[Capitalist]

Thanks Cantab. I'm not going to let some asshat run me off this forum. He will be run off first.

It boils down to something like this: IMO : All social constructs boil down to sex. Money is a social construct. Therefore money boils down to sex.

[ananda77]

men want to have sex as much as possible, and women want to have their children protected and provided for -- and money can help them accomplish both.

This is kindergarten wisdom. Women want as much sex as men and men want their children protected as much as women do.

In our society of course money acts as an important tool to achieve the best protection (in terms of education for example) for our youngsters.

Money is to humans what plumage is to pea****s, and ultimately it's most important purpose is to attract a high-quality mate. As long as it's successful in this it needs no other intrinsic value

What a farce!

<center>...a creative, ferocious digger
had one, just a bit longer and thicker
with that, he obtained all what made him even bigger!(or vice versa)</center>


...but...never...and I mean Never date people seriously, e.g. with a view to marry or to have serious relationships, etc., if imbalances in financial terms are present.

[mikescott]

Talking about sex and money, anyone had some recently?

And can you spare some for a worthy cause? ;)

[ananda77]

minder:

Can you donate $70 to World Vision's Sudan appeal

a bit sleepy today, minder?

coge
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Posted - 26/07/2004 : 1:49:16 PM
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Done. Let's have a quick sharetrader whip-around.

Awryly
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Posted - 26/07/2004 : 2:42:46 PM
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Thanks, Cantab.

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.. making wrong decisions with absolute conviction - duh.


ananda77
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Posted - 26/07/2004 : 2:45:36 PM
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done and thanks Cantab

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Cooper
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Posted - 26/07/2004 : 2:52:50 PM
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Good post... done... thanks.


Gryffyn
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Posted - 26/07/2004 : 4:34:52 PM

On ya Cantab.

Capitalist
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Posted - 26/07/2004 : 8:50:56 PM
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If you have young kids the child sponsorship thing is great too.

They exchange letters and so forth, it's educational for both parties and you do make a positive difference as Cantab says.


Binklebonk
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Posted - 26/07/2004 : 9:31:48 PM
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I've had business dealings with WV and can not speak highly enough for their integrity and professionalism. There is an International organisation that monitors global charities for such things as the extent to which funds collected find their way to the intended cause and from memory WV are of an extremely high rating.

milker
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Posted - 26/07/2004 : 9:55:43 PM
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Donations to wv are additionally effective when you request that they are used for projects that qualify for matching NZ government funds. Plus when you get your tax rebate at the end of the year send that off too. At least you get some say as to where your tax goes.

spector
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Posted - 26/07/2004 : 10:37:21 PM
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Originally posted by ENIGMA

Cantab somebody else came to a figure of approximately 8 cents that actually got to the coal face on some of these things Ask tv NZ to replay the Fair Go programme. Company and charity websites I myself don't take much credence from because they only come from one point of view. Have a look at some of the salaries the top officers are drawing. This one maybe a good one but without independant statements I ask Questions. And that Fair Go programme was an eye opener. I don't argue with your statement about what you have seen and the difference it makes But I am asking the question could it do a lot more.

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The way that I see it, even if they only get 8 cents out of every dollar.. that's still better then nothing at all. If there's a better way to do it then i'm all for it, but in the meantime some action is better than none.


willy_wonker
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Posted - 27/07/2004 : 09:25:53 AM
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My family donated a substantial amount to World Vision last year.

Every cent counts.

[mikescott]

Good point, Ana ...... and I hope your donations add up to much more than what you can claim back from the tax department.;)

Mine do. [}:)]

Meanwhile, anybody have money and sex to spare for a worthy cause? :D

[ananda77]

minder:

I hope your donations add up to much more than what you can claim back from the tax department.

Mine do.

Meanwhile, anybody have money and sex to spare for a worthy cause?


That's how you think and that tells a story!

Please let me remind you, it is not the amount one gives but solely the motivation behind giving.

If it is calculated giving, uncompassionately, one might as well be better off buying a drink!

[mikescott]

Ah ...the parable of the poor man vs the rich man.

Yes, indeed, Ana.....

As I wrote, I hope you give more donations in total than what you can claim back from the tax department. ;)

[ananda77]

minder:

Kindness to you!

If I make a donation, I make a donation. I always found it too troublesome to request the extra form from the IRD.

[patsy]

quote:Originally posted by Capitalist

Money is to humans what plumage is to pea****s, and ultimately it's most important purpose is to attract a high-quality mate. As long as it's successful in this it needs no other intrinsic value


Mate selection in humans has been studied for decades now, and it's been the main focus of a field of research called "evolutionary psychology" - possibly one of the most fascinating topics around! The findings of research boil down to Cap's message above - resources (e.g., money) are at the center of sexual choice. If you're interested in the topic, read "The Evolution of Desire" by David Buss - a real gem.

[communist]

I think Capitalist and Awryly have a thing going. Their petty arguments really do seem like lovers tiffs.;)

[willy_wonker]

Someone has been studying their stage one psychology on Signumd Freud or stage one management of Maslows Hierarchy of Needs.

I hear that it is cheaper to have a fleet of Ferraris then to get marry. Now, where are my Ferraris?

[Halebop]

quote:Originally posted by willy_wonker

...or stage one management of Maslows Hierarchy of Needs.

It all comes flooding back. Amazing how those lectures could render something so interesting into lifeless and boring dross. I can recall literally trying to stop my head from hitting the desk as I fought the far more seductive influence of sleep!

[Placebo]

Damn! I switched off from this thread, then it got interesting!

I reckon Communist is on to something [:p]

[Major von Tempsky]

Its wrong, all wrong.
What matters in life is
(a) doing the perfect tennis ace at 200 kph
(b) doing the perfect badminton smash
(c) being able to run a half marathon at the drop of a hat
(d) getting out the quick crossword and the cryptic crossword each within 10 minutes
(e) beating a 2000 plus rated chess computer with a brilliant sacrifice
(f) scoring 140 on that dopey Tickle IQ Internet test
(f) CEN going up and staying up over $6.00

Apart from that everything else in life is purely incidentals, curiosity, stuff you do to stop the wife grizzling.

[Gryffyn]

MVT - like your list but you had two fs so I guess that is why you limited your iq aim to 140 ;)

I'll never hit a 200k serve (unless from a plane) but a swinginf first serve followed by a neat cross court volley is right up there for me.

[Placebo]

MVT I can manage C and sometimes D and one of your Fs is looking all right so I'm thinking happy thoughts today!

I was going to comment on one of the earlier statements, about what people need. What people really need is other people :D

[Gryffyn]

Placebo - that is very touchy-feely (have you hugged any trees today?) but spot on. We all seem to need to constantly validate ourselves and other people provide the best form of that. Soemtimes people substitute work and or money/things but mostly those fail as long term solutions.

[willy_wonker]

COmputer screens...

Money - open computer screen on the stockmarket sites

Sex - open window onthe porn sites


:D

[Gryffyn]

Sadly WW your last option will not leave you as happy as the love of a good women (which is also free) :-)

[thereslifeafter87]

quote:Originally posted by Major von Tempsky

Its wrong, all wrong.
What matters in life is

(f) scoring 140 on that dopey Tickle IQ Internet test




aw man, I only got 131.

[thereslifeafter87]

Gryffyn, getting the love of a good woman is not free however. Neither is keeping it.

[Gryffyn]

Depends on the women &gt;87. I've known a few high-maintenance units but love-of-live is happily un-materialistic and we were well progressed before she had any inkling of my net worth.

[duncan macgregor]

Way back In my single days I drove a builders truck with a concrete mixer bolted to the back of It. I also owned a red sports car.
When I drove the sports car It automatically filled up with young ladies at the lights. The truck on the otherhand seemed to have the opposite effect. I formed the conclusion that sex and money went hand In hand. cheers Macdunk

[willy_wonker]

The way to a mans heart is though his stomach.

The way to a womens heart is through your wallet.

:D

Gryffyn, where do you get your women from? Russia? [:p]

[k1w1]

Here is one for my mate MacDunk.

Q. Why do Scots wear kilts ?

A. So the sheep can't hear the zipper.

[Burgerbun]

Must be linked!!!

For me, recently the former has halved and the later doubled...



alls good:D