AIR - Air NZ.

[Beagle]

Hey psychic. As an employee I can say most people I know prefer Rob. People don't trust Chris yet. I think this will be a defining moment on how the culture goes. If CL goes all 1970's " heads will roll" then I can't see the average kiwi reacting favorably. Better to investigate, look at solutions and educate. This isn't the states and past ceo's have made the mistake of not seeing the point of difference.

Air New Zealand Crew Too Drunk For Flight - The most popular and lead story on the N.Z. Herald website today
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/airlines/n...ectid=11302893
I find this latest allegation of staff out boozing till the wee small hours deeply disturbing especially in the context of extremely poor, almost non-existent communication to the passengers affected...staff too pissed to bother looking after passengers needs ?
As a shareholder I think if what has been alleged is correct heads need to roll. Its not good enough and if those allegations are proven correct those staff out drunk in breech of their employment terms need to realise they've brought the entire airlines reputation into disrepute. Its one thing for a parts supplier to let the airline down, which in itself is a serious matter but quite another for staff that should be available to come on duty, to be so drunk as to be unable to pilot the aircraft if the plane was made operational again. Many of you guys are extremely well paid and the public and especially shareholders expect better. Staff have had plenty of time for training and education before being put on international routes and should already know better. Either that or clip their wings severely and put them back on the smallest domestic planes at that lower pay grade for a lengthy period of time and perhaps they can pay the $227,000 compensation from their own salaries. Shareholders have a right to expect that this matter is taken extremely seriously and I will personally be making a lot of noise at the AGM if it isn't. Lack of professionalism.... some might even ask, what professionalism ?

The recent incident on the Perth flight was also a bad look for the airline. CL needs to stamp his authority on the company in no uncertain terms or step aside and let someone else do it.
This latest extremely serious incident is most definitely not something that should be soft peddled and a simple slap on the back of the hand with a wet bus ticket simply won't do.

[Dentie]

Hey psychic. As an employee I can say most people I know prefer Rob. People don't trust Chris yet. I think this will be a defining moment on how the culture goes. If CL goes all 1970's " heads will roll" then I can't see the average kiwi reacting favorably. Better to investigate, look at solutions and educate. This isn't the states and past ceo's have made the mistake of not seeing the point of difference.

Your comment about "people don't trust Chris yet" startles me here Slim. I'm wondering whether Chris trusts the employees - especially those highest paid ones who are responsible for getting 200 to 300 travelling kiwi's at once to where they are going - SAFELY! I can't believe these flyboys and girls go out and get pissed - then shortly thereafter think they can competently fly an aircraft at 500 mph with the above amount of kiwi's on board. Total arrogance!

I have been a past shareholder in AIR (not now though) and I liked the way both Ralph Norris and Rob Fyfe smartened the place up into what resembled a professional airline. I am going on that Hawaii flight later this month so I'm hoping you lot have got your sh-t together by then.

[noodles]

It will be party time once they start that direct flight to Denver

[Zaphod]

To be fair to both AirNZ and the staff involved, we do not know what the facts are. The statement in the NZHerald article that the staff were trashed and drinking until 5am came from an anonymous source and these claims have not been independently verified. We'll know more about what happened and AirNZ's plans for mitigation later this week once the formal investigation has been completed.

[winner69]

Air New Zealand Crew Too Drunk For Flight - The most popular and lead story on the N.Z. Herald website today
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/airlines/n...ectid=11302893
I find this latest allegation of staff out boozing till the wee small hours deeply disturbing especially in the context of extremely poor, almost non-existent communication to the passengers affected...staff too pissed to bother looking after passengers needs ?
As a shareholder I think if what has been alleged is correct heads need to roll. Its not good enough and if those allegations are proven correct those staff out drunk in breech of their employment terms need to realise they've brought the entire airlines reputation into disrepute. Its one thing for a parts supplier to let the airline down, which in itself is a serious matter but quite another for staff that should be available to come on duty, to be so drunk as to be unable to pilot the aircraft if the plane was made operational again. Many of you guys are extremely well paid and the public and especially shareholders expect better. Staff have had plenty of time for training and education before being put on international routes and should already know better. Either that or clip their wings severely and put them back on the smallest domestic planes at that lower pay grade for a lengthy period of time and perhaps they can pay the $227,000 compensation from their own salaries. Shareholders have a right to expect that this matter is taken extremely seriously and I will personally be making a lot of noise at the AGM if it isn't. Lack of professionalism.... some might even ask, what professionalism ?

The recent incident on the Perth flight was also a bad look for the airline. CL needs to stamp his authority on the company in no uncertain terms or step aside and let someone else do it.
This latest extremely serious incident is most definitely not something that should be soft peddled and a simple slap on the back of the hand with a wet bus ticket simply won't do.

We have heard about these two cases - any more?

And Tiger seem to be a recipe for disaster (besides burning 2m a week) if latest reports like approaching Adelaide it had to do a go around and force a Malaysian flight to abort its takeoff and te other story about being a flight path to Perth such it would have run out fuel if pilots hadn't noticed
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...-1227008476226

[winner69]

Hard to believe that Tiger bleeding $2m a week

If virgin own 60% of Tiger and air own 26% of virgin and if air equity accounting virgin does that mean air are bleeding $0.3m a week ...or doesn't it work that way

[biker]

Interesting to see a lot of outrage and twaddle on this thread at the moment. Might I suggest posters do the following. Research some actual FACTS, don't believe everything you read in the media, realise that Airlines for some reason are prime targets for media beat ups, realise the Tiger go around incident posed no safety risk (the MH aircraft stopping was an air traffic control issue, they, not Tiger, being responsible for separation during a go around) and that the idea of crew being sober enough to fly is laughable. They are always totally and completely sober. 12 hours between drinking and flying doesn't leave alcohol in the system and if there was even a TRACE they would fail a drug and alcohol test, which are conducted regularly and randomly.

Deep breath people

[biker]

Second, they do not conduct breath/drug screening at every stop, so the fact that you say they would instantly pick up on it inherently flawed.

I did not say they would instantly pick up on it.
What I did say was they 'would fail a drug and alcohol test which are conducted regularly and randomly', the inference being that they would be taking a huge risk with their career, and to my knowledge no alcohol or drug test has ever returned positive on the major NZ airline's jet fleets.

[winner69]

I did not say they would instantly pick up on it.
What I did say was they 'would fail a drug and alcohol test which are conducted regularly and randomly', the inference being that they would be taking a huge risk with their career, and to my knowledge no alcohol or drug test has ever returned positive on the major NZ airline's jet fleets.

This employee didn't test positive ....he got caught

Flight attendant hid drugs in uniform jacket

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11298608

[slimwin]

Roger, you probably want to check which crew was reported (by who?) of being too drunk. There would be minimum two full crews there. The inbound and the crew that had to abort. I'm not apologizing for any bad behavior if its proved true. At this stage is a rumor provided to the media.
Up till not long ago I was also an investor in AIR but I don't let the Herald influence my finance decisions.