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14-06-2017, 11:09 AM
#1861
Originally Posted by Hoop
...comparing today’s markets to Queen’s classic “Bohemian Rhapsody.”...like the song says, “Nothing really matters” to whoever is buying stocks these days. They just keep buying and pushing prices higher.
"Just gotta get out, just gotta get right outta here!"
For clarity, nothing I say is advice....
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14-06-2017, 12:24 PM
#1862
Last edited by Hoop; 14-06-2017 at 12:31 PM.
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15-06-2017, 06:18 PM
#1863
Junior Member
V interesting thread to come across.
Have never delved into equities / exposure outside of NZ/AUS. Last December I was bearish on international equities and the subsequent flow down effects, but there seems to have been nothing stopping markets. Now I find myself somewhat tempted in international exposure given the stellar run of late but always reluctant when the market continues to run ahead of itself for so long...
Apologies if all this has already been covered (new to this thread), but what I have a few questions for learning purposes more than anything:
1) thoughts on ETFs, particularly in somewhere like Europe (appreciate they have risen back a bit but potential for them to move further given PE comparison to the US and comparative growth) ?
2) how do you see a correction playing out if one is to come? Does one big event trigger a built-up re adjustment, or does the smart money say enough is enough and slowly withdraw?
3) how big do you see the effect in NZ should international markets run out of steam?
Appreciate not easy questions- interested in any views! Just trying to tap some better minds than mine . Cheers
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16-06-2017, 02:13 PM
#1864
I'll get back to you Dela 47 when I have time..Probably off topic but somewhat related..(sort of)
I'm was on the ANZ securities when I saw your post (I have 2 monitors)..For people who wonder what ETF's are here's the ANZ securities web page for NZ ETF's trading on the NZX..
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18-06-2017, 11:22 AM
#1865
Member
Originally Posted by dela47
V interesting thread to come across.
Have never delved into equities / exposure outside of NZ/AUS. Last December I was bearish on international equities and the subsequent flow down effects, but there seems to have been nothing stopping markets. Now I find myself somewhat tempted in international exposure given the stellar run of late but always reluctant when the market continues to run ahead of itself for so long...
Apologies if all this has already been covered (new to this thread), but what I have a few questions for learning purposes more than anything:
1) thoughts on ETFs, particularly in somewhere like Europe (appreciate they have risen back a bit but potential for them to move further given PE comparison to the US and comparative growth) ?
2) how do you see a correction playing out if one is to come? Does one big event trigger a built-up re adjustment, or does the smart money say enough is enough and slowly withdraw?
3) how big do you see the effect in NZ should international markets run out of steam?
Appreciate not easy questions- interested in any views! Just trying to tap some better minds than mine . Cheers
My amateur opinion is that ETFs are a good way to get exposure to an international market unless you've got the means to buy a diversified overseas portfolio. Their has already been quite a movement from US to European stocks over the past few months, but given that the european markets are expected to see greater growth than US markets over the next few years makes it still worthwhile considering eg euf.nz smartshare.
Personally I think there is a correction looming but who knows whether it will be tomorrow or 5-10yrs time. Unless economic political conditions change significantly I think it might be just a small 10-20% dip (I could well be very wrong though!). I'm holding a larger than normal cash reserve at the moment anticipating buying in during a correction.
If if there's a global withdrawal then the NZ stock market is sure to follow in similar numbers i think.
I hold multiple US stocks and have a 60/40 split between US and NZ markets. I'm also looking at buying into an european etf at the 'right' time.
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23-06-2017, 12:00 PM
#1866
Bubble.nah,more like a mega-size hot air balloon with central bankers at the controls
I read Jarad Dillion's email this morning (The 10th Man)..titled The Everything Bubble. (see webpage version) I realised it's been a little while since I last check CAPE.Last time I looked it was 27.4 well into market crash territory..I assumed with good earnings increases and a modest Wall St rise the CAPE should be about the same or fractionally less with a slight trending down (slight derisking)..So I was surprised to see at 29.82!!!...That is scary high..to the point of extreme....Extremes are the result of stupid actions.. and I too have bad feelings ...I've had them for about 2 years now since the CAPE reached the crash zone (25)...since then the market has been like a bug flying around the expressway dodging thousands of windscreens up to now) ...
There is a very long chart argument too..this Bull Market Cycle has had a very steep uptrend for years now and showing the exact same chart pattern behaviour as Bull market cycles before it..a failed attempted cyclic reversal about 80% up the chart mountain..so with this in mind using repeated historic pattern behaviour it looks like we are closing in now to the top..
The S&P500 chart below is copied from the 10th man webpage link above...
Attachment 8940
The chart below show the history of CAPE note the year 1929 which had asimilar CAPE reading...so maybe Jarad Dillian comment.." it will probably be the fastest downturn in history, owing to the degree of leverage and speculation....may not be as farfetched as it sounds
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Last edited by Hoop; 23-06-2017 at 12:07 PM.
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23-06-2017, 12:09 PM
#1867
That Jared is a pretty good read eh Hoop
This could be ominious -
it will probably be the fastest downturn in history, owing to the degree of leverage and speculation. Proper preparation prevents poor performance
That article on Secular Stagnation is quite interesting
Last edited by winner69; 23-06-2017 at 12:21 PM.
”When investors are euphoric, they are incapable of recognising euphoria itself “
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28-06-2017, 07:02 AM
#1868
S&P up 9% in 1st half of year
When S&P up more then 6% in first half it kicks on and has a great full year with full year returns from 10% to 30%
No worries
”When investors are euphoric, they are incapable of recognising euphoria itself “
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28-06-2017, 06:58 PM
#1869
Member
I hope so, but my intuition tells me there will be a correction soon (before the end of yr) A lot of jitters recently in the nasdaq suggest their will be a selloff of FANG stocks, which is likely to lead to the rest of the US market following for a 10-30% correction.
I'm probably wrong but I'm holding onto more cash at the moment waiting to buy during the dip.
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28-06-2017, 07:49 PM
#1870
Originally Posted by Jonboyz
I hope so, but my intuition tells me there will be a correction soon (before the end of yr) A lot of jitters recently in the nasdaq suggest their will be a selloff of FANG stocks, which is likely to lead to the rest of the US market following for a 10-30% correction.
I'm probably wrong but I'm holding onto more cash at the moment waiting to buy during the dip.
You worry too much jonboy
Strong 1st half - full year will be brillant
Past numbers below - always happens
No worries
”When investors are euphoric, they are incapable of recognising euphoria itself “
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