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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Two Gloves View Post
    I personaly believe the note holders will lose everything as eventually the interest on these notes will become untenable. It is almost impossible for shareholders to exit and who would be brave enough to buy at any price. If they cashed up their assets they would still be at least 3 - 4 Million upside down which I guess is why the SP is where it is.will be looking at....
    Vote No on NZF's proposal to convert NZF020 notes to shares and put NZF into receivership would result in a return of a few cents per dollar to noteholders. The shares would be no value at all. Refer to announcement below.


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    REL: 1646 HRS NZF Group Limited

    S/HOLDER: NZF: NZF Group Limited (NZF) - Market information

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    MARKET INFORMATION

    26 March 2012

    NZF Group Limited (NZF) - announces it is in discussions with the trustee to
    review interest payment on Capital Notes (NZF 020)

    ?NZF announces that while the Company has an excess of liabilities (including
    the capital Notes) over assets of circa $4m, it has sufficient cash to pay
    interest on the notes for at least the next 18 months if the Company made no
    new investments. Regarding the notes, the Company has started discussions
    with the trustee (Perpetual Trust Limited) regarding the payment of interest
    and a conversion to equity, and whether a proposal will be put to
    shareholders and note holders in the coming months. In addition, NZF does not
    expect that sufficient cash reserves will be generated between now and
    maturity of the notes in 2016 to fully redeem them for cash, meaning that the
    notes will convert to equity.

    ENDS

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    Hehe yes how many shares would be issued to convert $18M of notes at a VWAP of around 0.006 a share, my calculator won't do it!!

    Have said all along the notes are worthless.......come on Invessi lets see you put a positive spin on this!

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    3 billion? hmmm.....

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    Which is obviously why they are attempting to negotiate with the Trustee to establish a negotiated price for the equity conversion.

    If the notes convert to equity ... the remnant asset values are in the range of $5-10M + a few M ca$h

    Do the noteholders want an ordered transition to ownership of these assets? Would they prefer to take a haircut and maintain the subordinated debt position? The notes are clearly not worthless ... the issue is: "do you restructure with the potential to restore to higher value" or "do you go into effective liquidation with no prospect of recovery"?
    Do not consider my postings as investment advice. I am here to share research and to speculate on what might be. The boundary between fact and conjecture might not always be clear - best to treat all comments as speculation.

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    Well they are worthless compared to their $1 face value. This will not be a haircut, this is a fully shaven job.

    I know Enumerate you were a keen buyer at 1.9 cents but although you justified it I thought you ignored the mounting bad news, NZF had no future then and it is looking even bleaker now.

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    I would point out that the company is still worth something ... say, $10M ...

    The issue is that the shareholders will be diluted by the converting noteholders -OR- there will be a messy liquidation in which the noteholders recover alot less than $10M for the $18M of notes.
    Do not consider my postings as investment advice. I am here to share research and to speculate on what might be. The boundary between fact and conjecture might not always be clear - best to treat all comments as speculation.

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    There is hardly any room left on this coffin lid to bang any more nails in.......

    5 April 2012 NZF Group Limited (NZF) - announces receipt of notice of proceedings NZF announces The Company has been notified by the receivers of NZF Money Limited that they intend to file proceedings against NZF and certain past and present directors who were directors as at 20 October 2010 of NZF Group. The proceedings relate to an internal restructuring of NZF Homeloans Limited in October 2010 which is alleged to be an insolvent transaction. The receivers have also applied for a freezing order over the assets of NZF Group. A hearing date has not yet been set. The proceedings will be rigorously defended.

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    LOL TTG, and I suspect the 'discussions' with the Trustee regarding bond interest/conversion to equity will have just taken a turn for the worse as well. Looks like a messy liquidation comin' up

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    Yes indeed, probably the last thing Peter Huljich needs also as he was a director in October 2010 (along with Waddel, Callaghan, Redpath, Sclater and current MD Mark Thornton).

    Where oh where has Invessi gone, I would love to see him put a positive spin on all this.....

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    The news isn't getting any better.

    https://www.nzx.com/companies/NZF/announcements/221656

    NZF Group Limited (NZF) – Freezing Order to be challenged
    Further to the announcement last Thursday regarding proceedings being issued by the receivers for NZF Money, a first hearing on the matter has been held and the outcome of that hearing is that interim orders have been granted in favour of the plaintiff freezing the company from dealing with or disposing of any assets except for very limited purposes. A one day fixture has been scheduled for 27 April 2012 for a substantive hearing to occur at which time the interim orders will be reconsidered.
    The Company will seek to have the freezing orders lifted at the substantive hearing.



    Time to stick a fork in this one - it's done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Two Gloves View Post
    Yes indeed, probably the last thing Peter Huljich needs also as he was a director in October 2010 (along with Waddel, Callaghan, Redpath, Sclater and current MD Mark Thornton).

    Where oh where has Invessi gone, I would love to see him put a positive spin on all this.....
    Watching and waiting, could go either way I imagine!

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    Default NZF: Resignation of Chief Financial Officer & Company Secretary

    18 April 2012

    NZF Group Limited (NZF)

    NZF Group Limited advises that one of its officers, David Watton, has left the Company and is no longer employed as the Chief Financial Officer and Company Secretary. NZF will look to appoint a new person to these positions in due course.


    Mark Thornton
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    I think it was due to a health issue!

    Quote Originally Posted by getontoit99 View Post
    18 April 2012

    NZF Group Limited (NZF)

    NZF Group Limited advises that one of its officers, David Watton, has left the Company and is no longer employed as the Chief Financial Officer and Company Secretary. NZF will look to appoint a new person to these positions in due course.


    Mark Thornton
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    Yes the company is in exteremly poor health, in fact it is TERMINAL!

    I think this was more likely a smart career move......

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    Incorrect!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Two Gloves View Post
    Yes the company is in exteremly poor health, in fact it is TERMINAL!

    I think this was more likely a smart career move......

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