If National wins ...

[Daytr]

We have just had Dame Jenny 'I'm for sale' Shipley doing one of those "girl power' dinners in Northland.
With people like that being honoured, I'm not sure a knighthood is a blessing.
Love him or hate him, he probably deserves one though, more than most politicians.
Meanwhile Shipley continues to be an embarrassment for National, now being sued as the Chair of Mainzeal.
Its a sad note in history that NZs first female PM was her & that she knifed Bolger in the back whilst overseas to get control & failed to win an election.
I suppose Helen Clark has the honour of being the first & only woman to be elected as NZs PM.
So there is actually a National person I dislike more than John Key, the previous National PM.

[BlackPeter]

So there is actually a National person I dislike more than John Key, the previous National PM.

I am surprised ... did you forget about Judith Collins?

... or do you credit to her that she (if let lose) might be damaging National as Cunliffe used to damage Labour?

[artemis]

I think we both agree that the current political contest of the "lacking" is playing into Winston Peters hands. And yes - it is still a long time until 2017, but if nothing changes than I am pretty sure that Winston will be kingmaker.....The question is - what will Winston do?..... As I see it - Winston's best chance to be remembered in history without a bad aftertaste and as "Sir Winston" will be to work with National - and hey, he did it before.

Mr Peters is not a young man and though he was energetic in Northland it would be surprising if he could - or would want to - keep up that level of energy and activity over a prolonged length of time as PM, Deputy PM, senior minister.

I reckon he will have to work with National to have any hope of getting some of his Northland promises, so it will be fascinating to see the quid pro quos.

[Daytr]

No she's on the list, in fact top 10, but its a long list. ;-) Simon Bridges ranks above her for me.
But I hope she does do a Mark Anthony to John Key's Julius Cesar as you are right she would be damaging to National.
Although I'm not anti National per say, just the current arrogant, self centered mob who think they can do anything & everything immoral or illegal & get away with it.

Yeah you might be right Artemis, I think he will be 72 or 73 in 2017.
Perhaps he will be PM for a year or two just to get on the list & then pass the reigns to someone else.

I am surprised ... did you forget about Judith Collins?

... or do you credit to her that she (if let lose) might be damaging National as Cunliffe used to damage Labour?

[winner69]

James Shaw new co-leader of Greens.

National probably laughing all th way to the next election now. Andrew Little pleased and is looking forward to working with him.

Herald already discounting him and no doubt he won't get much good press from them.


He could be the man to make a real impression in 2020. I have heard him talk a few times and I like a lot of what he says. Has been quoted as saying 'This form of capitalism that we have now is incompatible with climate action.'

Follow that through and you my man

[winner69]

This is Shaw's maiden speech in the House

http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/34582

[winner69]

Shaw might stir things up and bring a bit of excitement to politics

Feed back mixed twitter land.

One of the best has been - Loving the fact that hardcore capitalists and hardcore socialists both imagine that James Shaw is a hardcore capitalist

Hope Little can work with him and not be divisive. Together they could be a powerful partnership and put the ****s into the Nats

[winner69]

Shaw might stir things up and bring a bit of excitement to politics

Feed back mixed twitter land.

One of the best has been - Loving the fact that hardcore capitalists and hardcore socialists both imagine that James Shaw is a hardcore capitalist

Hope Little can work with him and not be divisive. Together they could be a powerful partnership and put the ****s into the Nats

But then again Key and the Nats could warm to him ....that would sure themselves a job forever

[winner69]

But then again Key and the Nats could warm to him ....that would sure themselves a job forever

Maybe not ...are the gloves off

From Stuff

Newly-elected Green Party co-leader James Shaw has taken a shot at Prime Minister John Key, saying he should be "careful what he wishes for".

Mr Key this week said he was looking forward to facing off with Mr Shaw - part of a National Party strategy which Mr Shaw said was designed to undermine him.r

[BlackPeter]

This is Shaw's maiden speech in the House

http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/34582

I guess he sounds honest (which is good), he seems to prioritize the environment over left wing political objectives (quite unusual for somebody from the NZ so called Green party), but than he sounds more fundamental than creative ... just another doomsday preacher achieving little?

Anyway - it is progress to have somebody co-leading the Green party who seems to care more about the environment than about the communist party of Australia ... clearly a step into the right (excuse the pun) direction.