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19-06-2017, 12:19 AM
#12431
Originally Posted by BlackPeter
Winston always talks with the largest party first ... and he will go with whoever is promising him a "Sir Winston" in the aftermath. .............
Or whoever will let him be P.M. And Labour/greens would just about have to, given that neither of their leaders is P.M material. Winnie would be in like a robber's dog if he could get P.M role. I wouldn't discount it.
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19-06-2017, 08:08 AM
#12432
Originally Posted by fungus pudding
Or whoever will let him be P.M. And Labour/greens would just about have to, given that neither of their leaders is P.M material. Winnie would be in like a robber's dog if he could get P.M role. I wouldn't discount it.
Fair enough - having the PM title would be a strong motivator for Winston First. Still struggle to see how Labour / Green and NZF would agree on a program other than sit on the government's benches - and would have hoped that at least the Greenies pretend to still have some principles, but you might be right ... better make sure National / ACT / United / Maori Party get enough votes to keep the ship steady.
On the other hand - if we really would get a Labour / Green / NZF government we might be able to claim America's place as laughing stock of the world. This must count for something, doesn't it?
BTW - anybody taking note of the amazing election results in France? A liberal president gains absolute majority in parliament and marginalises conservatives, lefties as well as populists . Liberalism is the future - that's the way to go!
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"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future" (Niels Bohr)
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19-06-2017, 03:55 PM
#12433
Originally Posted by BlackPeter
Fair enough - having the PM title would be a strong motivator for Winston First. Still struggle to see how Labour / Green and NZF would agree on a program other than sit on the government's benches - and would have hoped that at least the Greenies pretend to still have some principles, but you might be right ... better make sure National / ACT / United / Maori Party get enough votes to keep the ship steady.
I'm sure I am right. Winston first will not coalesce with L/G with Little as PM and Shaw or Turei as deputy P.M. in a million years; although he'll go through the motions to frighten National and up his pile of bargaining chips . Make him top dog and everything else will fly out the window in his rush to say yes.
I agree with your advice, and may vote Act or Maori party if polling looks like an extra vote might boost their numbers in parliament. Otherwise I'll vote National with my party vote. Electorate vote doesn't count in my electorate. It's solid Labour, always has been, and yet the party vote went heavily for National in the last election.
Last edited by fungus pudding; 19-06-2017 at 03:59 PM.
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20-06-2017, 12:35 PM
#12434
Bill needs to sack Todd ....now
”When investors are euphoric, they are incapable of recognising euphoria itself “
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20-06-2017, 12:44 PM
#12435
Originally Posted by winner69
Bill needs to sack Todd ....now
Bill needs to sack Bill also - he said he didn't know about it but clearly did at the time.
And how about using the leaders fund (wasn't Bill at the time but National) as hush money - bad, very bad.
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20-06-2017, 02:09 PM
#12436
Originally Posted by dobby41
Bill needs to sack Bill also - he said he didn't know about it but clearly did at the time.
And how about using the leaders fund (wasn't Bill at the time but National) as hush money - bad, very bad.
and now Bill can't recall things .... yeah right
”When investors are euphoric, they are incapable of recognising euphoria itself “
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20-06-2017, 05:03 PM
#12437
All a load of rubbish that won't affect Nationals ability to win the next election. The vast majority of voters are contented in jobs and homes with plenty of food on the table and that's all that matters.
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20-06-2017, 06:35 PM
#12438
Originally Posted by craic
All a load of rubbish that won't affect Nationals ability to win the next election. The vast majority of voters are contented in jobs and homes with plenty of food on the table and that's all that matters.
Absolutely. There is no need for MPs to be held to account, they are just employees are they?. In fact, they have all collectively managed to not sign up to any house rules and regulations on their behaviour when in this most high office. The parties have some kind of rules, but there is no law about all this, except common law.
In this case, there is a case to answer, and then there are the lies about what was done. Todd lied to Parliament. Even Bill English isn't without fault. Oh dear. Could be messy.
Bill's statement to the Police.
More disturbing news about National, they have done very well on the big donations front.
https://thestandard.org.nz/party-donations-analysis/
There's no such thing as a free lunch.
Last edited by elZorro; 20-06-2017 at 06:48 PM.
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20-06-2017, 08:51 PM
#12439
Originally Posted by winner69
Bill needs to sack Todd ....now
Agreed. He´s been stupid
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21-06-2017, 12:49 AM
#12440
Originally Posted by iceman
Agreed. He´s been stupid
One-off stupidity you can understand, but this seems to have gone on over quite a period of time.
To be parachuted into an electorate, then fall out with your experienced electorate staff in such a dramatic manner seems to be the height of folly.
There seem to have been a few of these over the past few years. Perhaps the National Party needs to review their candidate selection criteria and process.
So much fuss, and so public, and so close to an election. The Donors will not be happy.
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