If National wins ...

[winner69]

So what's the big deal about the Employment Relations Amendment Bill? A bit more flexibility for both employees as well as employers. I had all my working life no problems in arranging my tea (or other) breaks with my employer, never needed nanny state.

Sounds like just your union bosses are afraid to lose another bit of their undeserved power (negotiating tea breaks - LOL), but who would care about them these days. Sort of a pity, but greed and selfishness of the union leaders made them irrelevant anyway.

BTW - very funny to see you, westerly, blaming JK of diversion tactics - hard to find anybody mastering this tactic more than yourself and EZ.

Maybe you should start to address Labours real problems ... no Leadership, no competency and no vision on the Left - just a bunch of mean spirited diverters, mudslingers and back stabbers (Cunliffe & Co). Pity. Come back when you have a vision and something else to offer for New Zealand than a bunch of socialists who want to rerun the last century.

Nobody should complain about the employment changes

They went to the polls on it, they won, they are MANDATED by the people to do it ...just carrying out their promises

[slimwin]

And if it doesn't work, vote on it next time. I suspect nobody will really notice the change though. Except a few disruptive unionists.

[fungus pudding]

And if it doesn't work, vote on it next time. I suspect nobody will really notice the change though. Except a few disruptive unionists.

It's hard to imagine why anyone objects to the change. But then unions object to the 90 day trial law so anything is possible. I suppose they'll only be happy when NZ is reduced to such a non competitive stage that most jobs get done overseas and there are no employers or employees to worry about. .

[elZorro]

It's hard to imagine why anyone objects to the change. But then unions object to the 90 day trial law so anything is possible. I suppose they'll only be happy when NZ is reduced to such a non competitive stage that most jobs get done overseas and there are no employers or employees to worry about. .

FP, big business reduces labour as much as it can. The toilet paper business, SCA I think they are, installed a big robot and made a net 130 staff redundant in Hamilton. Fonterra has "lights out" plants running 24 hrs a day, including milk powder bag stacking robots. These are the businesses National gets behind with thinly spread R&D funding, and employment laws. The Labour party would have been behind SMEs, these businesses need to employ to grow, completely the opposite effect for the taxpayer's dollar.

I just found the link to Nigel Latta's documentary on inequality, from July 2014. Some great points made here.

http://tvnz.co.nz/nigel-latta/s1-ep4-video-6025283

[blackcap]

FP, big business reduces labour as much as it can. The toilet paper business, SCA I think they are, installed a big robot and made a net 130 staff redundant in Hamilton. Fonterra has "lights out" plants running 24 hrs a day, including milk powder bag stacking robots. 3[/URL]

You make some very good points there ElZOrro. Therefore we must resist all efforts to raise the minimum wage even more because if it keeps rising we will see even more automation and more job losses. McDonalds overseas for instance already have self help kiosks and this will come to NZ the moment a teenager on the front counter is no longer economic. Please for the sake of our youth and the job market keep the minimum wage where it is.

[fungus pudding]

FP, big business reduces labour as much as it can. The toilet paper business, SCA I think they are, installed a big robot and made a net 130 staff redundant in Hamilton. Fonterra has "lights out" plants running 24 hrs a day, including milk powder bag stacking robots. These are the businesses National gets behind with thinly spread R&D funding, and employment laws. The Labour party would have been behind SMEs, these businesses need to employ to grow, completely the opposite effect for the taxpayer's dollar.

I just found the link to Nigel Latta's documentary on inequality, from July 2014. Some great points made here.

http://tvnz.co.nz/nigel-latta/s1-ep4-video-6025283

eZ - I know you spend much of your life posting links to articles that agree with your paranoid outlook, presumably because you don't realise that other people read newspapers. That's perfectly fine, but if it's to impress me - don't bother. I never read them.

[fungus pudding]

You make some very good points there ElZOrro. Therefore we must resist all efforts to raise the minimum wage even more because if it keeps rising we will see even more automation and more job losses. McDonalds overseas for instance already have self help kiosks and this will come to NZ the moment a teenager on the front counter is no longer economic. Please for the sake of our youth and the job market keep the minimum wage where it is.

That's exactly right, but eZ and his ilk do not understand competition and how the world works.

[elZorro]

BC and FP, how many people do you guys employ, anyway? None, I'm guessing. Are you exporting anything out of NZ? So that makes me a bit better informed than you think I am.

Sometimes I read and post articles I don't agree with. Like this one.

http://www.landlords.co.nz/article/5...eap-affordable

The thrust of it is, that Hamilton is out for the investor dollar in housing. The Mayor, Julie Hardaker, is a true-blue National voter and is right behind the idea of getting Hamilton out of the social housing business. Partly, it's to recoup some of the lost capital from the V8 races. Not her fault, but there are other ways of paying off old debts.

There have been big ideas put forward before, about flashing up the river experience. It's a bit hard when the river floods so much, everything needs to be built well above the normal river level. On top of this, Hamilton's main street is emptying out of shops, many are vacant. Retailers heading to the malls. Some think that the main reason Tainui want to build a transport Hub, is that it will come with another big mall.

I'm not so sure that this is how Hamilton needs to grow, we do need more manufacturers and exporters.

[fungus pudding]

BC and FP, how many people do you guys employ, anyway? None, I'm guessing. Are you exporting anything out of NZ? So that makes me a bit better informed than you think I am.

No, I'm not an employer or an exporter; but there's a staggering lack of logic in claiming that makes you better informed than I think you are.

[Sgt Pepper]

eZ - I know you spend much of your life posting links to articles that agree with your paranoid outlook, presumably because you don't realise that other people read newspapers. That's perfectly fine, but if it's to impress me - don't bother. I never read them.

FP

What about the flag i posted as an attachment for your comment, you didnt even look at it did you? Boo hoo