If National wins ...

[fungus pudding]

It wasn't inexplicable, Michelle Boag was a former President of the National Party, and always pulls down Labour and upholds National whenever she gets the chance on TV.

For your edification, I think of a Tory as:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tory

Her comments had nothing to do with National, or Labour or butchers in general, or moonies for that matter. It was about a rather silly woman who had too much to say.
As far as Tories go, I don't think I have ever met a wealthy person with a disdain for people of 'a lower class'. That's a pommy thing.
If you look hard at today's paper you might just find someone who is a National supporter, or worse still, a member, has said something about someone or something. That should feed the paranoia for the rest of the week.

[elZorro]

Her comments had nothing to do with National, or Labour or butchers in general, or moonies for that matter. It was about a rather silly woman who had too much to say.
As far as Tories go, I don't think I have ever met a wealthy person with a disdain for people of 'a lower class'. That's a pommy thing.
If you look hard at today's paper you might just find someone who is a National supporter, or worse still, a member, has said something about someone or something. That should feed the paranoia for the rest of the week.

I think if you look carefully, you'll see some people acting like tories in many parts of their lives.

Following on from my post the other day -Rachel Stewart has a commentary on DairyNZ's behaviour towards the state of the environment. She makes some very good points.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...1+January+2017

Maybe I'm paranoid, but Rachel Stewart is looking at it another way.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11722306

[dobby41]

Following on from my post the other day -Rachel Stewart has a commentary on DairyNZ's behaviour towards the state of the environment. She makes some very good points.

My first thought on reading that opinion piece was tobacco companies.
They made a lot of noise in denial for a long time also.
Dairy is dirty - end of story.
Is the outcome worth the income?

[fungus pudding]

I think if you look carefully, you'll see some people acting like tories in many parts of their lives.

No I won't. Unless you mean the way most people won't drink in the pub frequented by the mongrel mob.
Other than that sort of healthy prejudices we do not have a class system, so we do not have Tories in NZ.

[westerly]

No I won't.
we do not have a class system, so we do not have Tories in NZ.

You must be be naive, along with a deep seated fear of the left.
westerly

[Bjauck]

I see UDC has been sold by ANZ (an Australian company) to a Chinese Company. It is a pity that it remains in foreign ownership. Although not applicable to this UDC sale, there seem to have been many businesses that have ended up being delisted from the NZX and in foreign ownership. It got me wondering. Under John Key's prime ministership, I wonder how the change in value of the NZ stock exchange capitalisation compared with the change in value of the residential housing stock.

Did NZ end up preferring real estate investment over business investment during John Key's leadership? If so, is that a good thing? Should John Key (& the National Party) have introduced policies to counteract any (social and fiscal) bias towards real estate investment?

[Bjauck]

No I won't. Unless you mean the way most people won't drink in the pub frequented by the mongrel mob.
Other than that sort of healthy prejudices we do not have a class system, so we do not have Tories in NZ.

I think it's coming. At the moment it is based on inherited wealth - but social differences are appearing - even differences in accent.

[Major von Tempsky]

I'm inclined to back Fungus - there are 2 immediate examples in the House, John Key brought up by a solo mother in a Chch state house, Paula Bennett a solo 17 year old mother on a benefit, I'm sure people can quote others. Then we have inverted snobs such as Chris Trotter who had an extremely good education, is well read and yet is determined to be a socialist, part of the lower classes where he sticks out like a sore thumb.

[fungus pudding]

You must be be naive, along with a deep seated fear of the left.
westerly

Not at all. I find the lefties I know fascinate me, driven by envy, and greed to share others' endeavours, just fascinating. They don't frighten me at all. They have played their part (as have National) in developing social systems to protect those who can't help themselves. I'm 100% behind that. A good social security system certainly is good for society as well as the deserving recipients. The problem is with many, but not all, that once they've got a bit of rope they always want more, and worst of all, some actually believe the govt. somehow can provide better than anything or anyone else. Amen.

[westerly]

I'm inclined to back Fungus - there are 2 immediate examples in the House, John Key brought up by a solo mother in a Chch state house, Paula Bennett a solo 17 year old mother on a benefit, I'm sure people can quote others. Then we have inverted snobs such as Chris Trotter who had an extremely good education, is well read and yet is determined to be a socialist, part of the lower classes where he sticks out like a sore thumb.

Lower classes? But Fungus said there is no class system in NZ.

westerly