If National wins ...

**iceman** · 27-07-2017, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by fungus pudding

But it's Peters and Ron Marks at the helm. Marks is probably a bit more sensible than the pompous Shane Jones.

Not so sure FP. We don't hear anything at all from Ron Mark these days but I do agree he seems much more sensible. Jones did a deal with Winston to come into NZF and I am sure it wasn't to be a quiet backbencher.

**iceman** · 27-07-2017, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by dobby41

I agree - let's not accept less than we expect and let the standards slip little by little.

Turei made a mistake way back when, not huge and she has owned up.
More of an issue to me is her stance that it is OK to do so. She excuses this behaviour even now (seems if the same thing happened now she would make the same actions).
She is telling people that it is OK to break the law on this but where do you draw the line? When is it not OK?

A good post dobby41 and I agree with this entirely. The fraud was bad enough on its own but her combative attitude suggesting it is OK for beneficiaries to rort the system if they feel they need more, is shocking. She should resign.
I am very surprised to see EZ support and try to justify her actions

Sadly I think Turei and The Greens have done this in a calculated way and are trying to mobilise the far left anti establishment vote, like Jeremy Corbyn. Sad.

**Joshuatree** · 27-07-2017, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by westerly

Just to even things up. http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/nation...an-tax-evasion.
It is a long way from where you are to even reach central.

westerly

Thanks westerly that is so sick. White collar fraudsters are treated like heros . Biased in extreme. Anyone struggling or down on their luck; stuck in poverty is pushed down deeper. And you national voters are the ones supporting this; jumping up and adding your weight for a good hanging,so to speak; keep you in your ivory Rort towers. How many of you are doing it all legally with your LAQC's etc.?? ANYTHING to stay there, yep.
Rise up NZ; you don't need to support this party; can do a lot better ,like a little equality for starters followed by honesty and integrity; long lost with national and its acolytes. Its time for a humanity change.

**iceman** · 27-07-2017, 08:12 PM

JT didn't National change the rules for LAQCs in the 2010 budget to scrap the ability to attribute company losses to shareholders ? Seem to recall reading about it at the time but not sure of the detail.

**elZorro** · 27-07-2017, 10:46 PM

An article about Paula.

http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/pol...ational-party/

Paula trying to answer questions in the house, 27 July.

https://youtu.be/zlgTUoQEnmo

**Joshuatree** · 27-07-2017, 10:57 PM

Hoop, time to change the title to "Why National Will Deservedly Lose "

Maybe they will have time to reshoot their billboard hoarding pics

**elZorro** · 28-07-2017, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Joshuatree

Hoop, time to change the title to "Why National Will Deservedly Lose "

Maybe they will have time to reshoot their billboard hording pics

Here's another shocker from the National Govt, their attitude to freight in South Auckland. Instead of spending a piddly $65mill to have a third rail line completed for freight in a congested corridor, which also allows more frequent passenger rail for Aucklanders, they had KiwiRail redact the decision document. The govt preference is for more truck freight in Auckland, the worst option in the report. Now the full cost/benefit analysis is released after pressure on govt, and you can see what a poor decision it was. National is just not doing the job we put them in there to do.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/auckland/27...kland-freight/

I hear on the grapevine that sales of Kenworth trucks have been going through the roof for the last few years.

**dobby41** · 28-07-2017, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by iceman

JT didn't National change the rules for LAQCs in the 2010 budget to scrap the ability to attribute company losses to shareholders ? Seem to recall reading about it at the time but not sure of the detail.

Yes they did.
LAQCs were effectively replaced by LTC (Look Through Company) which are similar but not the same.

**BlackPeter** · 28-07-2017, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by elZorro

An article about Paula.

http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/pol...ational-party/

Paula trying to answer questions in the house, 27 July.

https://youtu.be/zlgTUoQEnmo

Good thing is - with the current capable government you have plenty of alternatives. If you feel that you don't like one of Nationals politicians, than just go for ACT

. David Seymour is clearly punching above his weight and just imagine how much greater ACTs useful contribution could be if it wouldn't be just him alone from ACT in parliament. Other options are the Maori party or even United; Lots of capable people who did prove that they are able to successfully run a government. Really - why would anybody vote for the opposition which seems to mainly indulge in smear campaigns if I measure tham at your posts.

BTW - it was ACT which kept Winston the last 3 times out of government. This alone makes them invaluable. I guess Winston is such a capable opposition politician (possibly the only capable opposition politician NZ currently has) that NZ can't afford to lose him to government. While in government Winston is immediately losing his focus and only indulging in playing with his baubles of power. Don't let's do that again!