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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    No apology for you westerly ......shouldn't have got caught in first place
    I was refused bar service at 19 years old, but I seem to remember the prices were in decimal currency.. maybe that explains the sage words from Westerly.

    To cheer up the lefties, Andrew Little talking to John Campbell.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/playe...o_id=201853047

    By the way, that latest poll shows that the proportion of voters looking to Labour or the Greens is trending up.

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    Good news ; love the transparency and honesty and passion of Little.
    Contrarywise i was struck by a short interview on tv news tonight with Bill English. He was lifeless, wooden, disinterested sounding; a wood face with moving lips (a bit like the warriors coach. Tired , unenthusiastic, going through the motions was my impression. I wonder if there is a smoking gun or something huge about to come out or is Bill just burnt out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elZorro View Post
    I was refused bar service at 19 years old, but I seem to remember the prices were in decimal currency.. maybe that explains the sage words from Westerly.

    To cheer up the lefties, Andrew Little talking to John Campbell.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/playe...o_id=201853047

    By the way, that latest poll shows that the proportion of voters looking to Labour or the Greens is trending up.
    Of course it is eZ. You're all but home and hosed.

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    All over for Little

    Sympathy strategy didn't work ....more like self destruction

    Hope the best of opposition parties get together and form a new party to take over in 2020
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    All over for Little

    Sympathy strategy didn't work
    I've been watching TV1's news for the last three days. Apparently Andrew Little's aside to Corin Dann, where he matter-of-factly said that he was worried enough about the polls to lightly discuss stepping down - and of course that is not what Labour people want - well that has been the number one news item for three days. All the world news out there, and Labour's poor polling is number one? Tell me that won't affect the polls for the next 2-3 weeks. It's free advertising for National.

    TV1 is a govt-owned broadcaster, the govt subsidises it. 90% of their income comes from advertisers though. Labour put a sensible public/commercial Charter in place for TVNZ, that was removed by National when they got into office. Back to full commercial TV. Now look at the cooking shows and light treatment we have to endure as a result. From Wikipedia:

    The Labour-led government under Helen Clark from 1999 to 2008 pursued a programme of public broadcasting reforms. New Zealand's wide-ranging adoption of neoliberal policies in the mid-1980s and 1990s had large sections of the state sector privatised. As a state owned enterprise, TVNZ enjoyed enormous commercial success (sustaining two-thirds of the overall audience share) and paid the Crown substantial dividends (over $250 million between 1989 and 1999). However, the commercial success had been achieved through an unabashed pursuit of ratings through populist and tabloid content, and prior to the 1999 election the National-led government was evidently positioning TVNZ for privatisation Labour-led administrations since 1999 explicitly recognised the market failures of a wholly commercial broadcasting sector (e.g. saturation-level advertising, low levels of local content, heavy reliance on cheap imports and a disregard for quality genres and in-depth news and current affairs) and re-emphasised television's cultural and democratic functions in their policy thinking.
    The Clark government's highest profile broadcasting reform to date was the restructuring of TVNZ as a Crown Entity in 2003. This introduced a dual remit whereby the broadcaster had to maintain its commercial performance (continuing dividend payments to the Crown) while simultaneously implementing a new public service Charter.
    The TVNZ Charter would require the negotiation and reconciliation of potentially contradictory commercial and public service imperatives. The final version of the TVNZ Charter included a range of public service objectives and expectations.
    However, this dual remit precluded any transformation of TVNZ into fully-fledged public service broadcaster, and TVNZ's efforts to balance its pursuit of commercial performance and Charter objectives were soon being criticised. Despite some investment in local content, including new documentaries and discussion programmes, the content on TV One and TV2 remained similar to the pre-charter schedules, with a continuing high proportion of light entertainment and reality-TV shows.
    TVNZ continues to pay dividends to the Crown. However, from 2006 until 2009 TVNZ received $15.11 million each year from Government to assist it with fulfilling Charter obligations. There was much debate about the initial secrecy surrounding funding allocations and the programmes supported. The allocation of $5 million toward coverage of the 2008 Olympics, the rights for which are secured by a competitive tender between broadcasters, was possibly the most controversial. In 2009 the Government gave control of that funding to funding agency NZ On Air. NZ On Air announced the creation of the contestable "Platinum Fund" in April 2009, setting aside the $15.11 million for high quality drama, documentary and other programme types. Following the election of a National Party-led government under John Key in 2008, the Charter was abolished in favour of a return to the 1990s model of a full commercial broadcaster.[2]
    TVNZ scrapped Channel 7 under National, and other useful things like broadcasting live rugby matches free to air. Now we all have to pay through the nose for SKY. This is the brutal face of commercial TV, and now it would appear that they're doing a good job of trying to keep National in power.

    Good on you Andrew for sending a message to TV1, just don't appear for a few days, to give them free ammo that they'll use any way they can, to do more damage.
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    Turei fessed up to benefit fraud - seemed to work wonders

    A wag on social media suggested that Little should now confess to the Bain murders ....to boost Labour's chance
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    Quote Originally Posted by elZorro View Post


    TVNZ scrapped Channel 7 under National, and other useful things like broadcasting live rugby matches free to air. Now we all have to pay through the nose for SKY. This is the brutal face of commercial TV, and now it would appear that they're doing a good job of trying to keep National in power.
    Of course they are eZ. Nothing whatsoever to do with Labour creating their own disastorous news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    Of course they are eZ. Nothing whatsoever to do with Labour creating their own disastorous news.
    Own goal I think they call it.

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    Mike Hoskng is blatantly National on radio as well; don't know who owns that network?. It feels little like the allbacks going to Sth Africa to try and win some games in the 80's ; everything is stacked against you with a blatantly uneven playing field. That can be overcome; truth always shines through in the end..

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    Not so. In the absence of anyone in their ranks who looks like a leader, they elect an unfortunate union man who was not able to win any seat. I suspect that Andrew Little is a decent bloke by any standards. Their current mantra about poverty and homelessness is up against the reality that we are amongst the top in the top in well managed economies and our mess is nothing like as bad as the mess in other developed countries and people know that. Labours cries about poverty and homelessness may attract some of the homeless and people who consider that they live in poverty but they are in a very small minority in this country. Fortunately, most of us have a roof over our heads and food on the table and a bit more and most people know that waiting for a government to supply your every need is foolishness.

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