If National wins ...

[Cuzzie]

Cuzzie, I thought only left wingers came up with stuff like that. Some figure - who might be prominent - owes money to people/employees? - and he might be politically embarrassed? When someone gets upset enough to make a fuss?

craic, that would be right, left wingers do it all the time & we are all used to it now. When I was first told about this Labour high flyer, I thought 'yeah that could be right', but only maybe. After a couple of days I thought I'd check it out & that maybe became, 'more than likely'. It wasn't until I got conformation from the source, which in this case was the pissed-off wife of a worker that not only lost his job partly due as a result of this Labour high flyer not paying their bills on time, but his last weeks wage not payed to boot.

I knew EZ would not engage with me over this one and has ignored my last two posts even though I did try and entice him with some poor spelling. One word was completely wrong & EZ went swimming right past it. That tells me one of two things, either his 'hurtometer is right off the scale', or he is in the know and after putting one & one together with my little hints, he has confirmed his greatest fear.

EZ, in the spirit of George Gregan ... Three more years. With all the good news only coming from right of center lately, I'm now thinking only one party can possibly win the next election and that would be without any further blows to the Green Labour party, including what I have.

[craic]

So my decision to send my wife and kids down into the cellar with a months food and water proved to be an unnecessary act of panic. I have since remembered that I don't have any kids here and I don't have a cellar. I wonder where she went with all that food and water?

[elZorro]

craic, that would be right, left wingers do it all the time & we are all used to it now. When I was first told about this Labour high flyer, I thought 'yeah that could be right', but only maybe. After a couple of days I thought I'd check it out & that maybe became, 'more than likely'. It wasn't until I got conformation from the source, which in this case was the pissed-off wife of a worker that not only lost his job partly due as a result of this Labour high flyer not paying their bills on time, but his last weeks wage not payed to boot.

I knew EZ would not engage with me over this one and has ignored my last two posts even though I did try and entice him with some poor spelling. One word was completely wrong & EZ went swimming right past it. That tells me one of two things, either his 'hurtometer is right off the scale', or he is in the know and after putting one & one together with my little hints, he has confirmed his greatest fear.

EZ, in the spirit of George Gregan ... Three more years. With all the good news only coming from right of center lately, I'm now thinking only one party can possibly win the next election and that would be without any further blows to the Green Labour party, including what I have.

Did you mean the word conformation, which means, when applied to cattle, the grading of their physical appearance? It was a malapropism, but not as good as I've seen on this site. JBMurc is better at it

Now as this account of yours seems to involve a senior Labour politician, I have "payed" some attention to that, but as the debt has been paid or settled, this would be moot by now. There was probably some dispute involved, and a business owner who doesn't keep enough spare capital to have a few weeks of pay available, is being negligent. There have been many businesses rising like a phoenix after one lot of creditors has been shed in a liquidation. Time will tell.

[Cuzzie]

Did you mean the word conformation, which means, when applied to cattle, the grading of their physical appearance? It was a malapropism, but not as good as I've seen on this site. JBMurc is better at it

Now as this account of yours seems to involve a senior Labour politician, I have "payed" some attention to that, but as the debt has been paid or settled, this would be moot by now. There was probably some dispute involved, and a business owner who doesn't keep enough spare capital to have a few weeks of pay available, is being negligent. There have been many businesses rising like a phoenix after one lot of creditors has been shed in a liquidation. Time will tell.

Typical left wing answer, blame the business owner for not having enough capital when in fact it was the Labour high flyer who was caught short. He had an expensive house to pay for and was doing it up. Money appears to be all dried up, but kept on spending anyway. Probably thought he was doing them a favor by keeping them employed when in fact his actions sent employed tradesmen to the dole queue and closed down a small business. What was that you said about Labour working for small businessman EZ? Oh the irony. Try all you like to turn the tables and blame the other party, however just like you can not talk your way out of Labour leaving NZ it a terrible financial state back in 08, no amount of talking will change the facts here EZ. BTW may I remind you that you don't even know what happened here, yet you are all ready putting up scenarios. Wait a minute that's what you do all the time. Just let facts be facts. The bill was "paid" (not payed - you still have missed a couple EZ) in full so clearly no problem with the stock in question. The only hindrance was from the customers non-payment, it's as simple as that.

Funny how we have not heard from Russel lately, real funny. No amount of porkies from the Greens co-leader will ever see him entirely murder the truth I believe, because he never gets close enough to it.

[elZorro]

Cuzzie, let's not forget the political headwinds that National are facing. These are more important.

Less than 5% of homes being sold are to low deposit borrowers. This is half of the govt stipulation, the banks are only too happy to comply.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=11211035

In Hamilton, first home buyers would need $72,000 cash as a deposit. Unlikely anyone can meet that. This hare-brained National policy will keep out first-time entrants in the property market, leaving it wide open for property investors, who have relatively low interest rates and pressure on rentals from high immigration at the moment. National are meanwhile selling off state houses and state power assets, the intention being to allow the top 2% to gather good private investment profits well into the future.

Tony Ryall is leaving, the subtitles imply he has built up his contacts and wants to get involved in the private sector. The partial sales of SOEs on his watch has apparently strengthened them and made them more efficient. No mention on how it will also cripple the govt income well into the future, and these assets are likely to be stripped at some point, so investors can make a windfall profit. They've done it with the railways before.

New soft rules for offshore drilling: many holes to be drilled with very little oversight and no public submissions. Just one of many changes National's backers want in the RMA.

[iceman]

Less than 5% of homes being sold are to low deposit borrowers. This is half of the govt stipulation, the banks are only too happy to comply.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=11211035

In Hamilton, first home buyers would need $72,000 cash as a deposit. Unlikely anyone can meet that. This hare-brained National policy will keep out first-time entrants in the property market, leaving it wide open for property investors, who have relatively low interest rates and pressure on rentals from high immigration at the moment. National are meanwhile selling off state houses and state power assets, the intention being to allow the top 2% to gather good private investment profits well into the future.

Tony Ryall is leaving, the subtitles imply he has built up his contacts and wants to get involved in the private sector. The partial sales of SOEs on his watch has apparently strengthened them and made them more efficient. No mention on how it will also cripple the govt income well into the future, and these assets are likely to be stripped at some point, so investors can make a windfall profit. They've done it with the railways before.

New soft rules for offshore drilling: many holes to be drilled with very little oversight and no public submissions. Just one of many changes National's backers want in the RMA.

EZ, you are obviously feeling the pressure of Labour going down the gurgler. You have resorted to stating plain untruths.
You well know that the low equity rules were designed and implemented by the independent Reserve Bank and has nothing to do with National. In fact the PM suggested the RB could be more lenient which fell on Wheeler's deaf ears. Good on him I say. The RB should be independent of political interference of the sort Labour/Green say they will start doing if they become Government. Thank the stars that they will be in opposition for a few years yet !

Tony Ryall has done a great job as Health Minister. Great to see that he has a future after politics in the private sector, unlike most Labour MPs. May the future be kind to him.

[fungus pudding]

The RB should be independent of political interference of the sort Labour/Green say they will start doing if they become Government. Thank the stars that they will be in opposition for a few years yet !

An interesting point. The numbers are reasonably close, given the choice of coalition partners available to the socialists. However I reckon National will get back in this year but then Labour will have the good sense to dump Cunliffe and Parker making 2017 a whole new ballgame. Even eZ will agree with that.

[craic]

So the question remains - unanswered by ELZ from my earlier post. Why can't the left find a credible leader? They had a soft easy-going guy who would have appealed to all the mothers out there but his reticence or shyness which ELZ always defended eventually led to his ousting. Then they come up with a demented ferret who is not liked by too many of his party elite and who has resorted to the union rhetoric of yesteryear and terrified all the schoolteachers, lawyers and other academics at the heart of Labour. It's probably too late now, but can't they find an ordinary bloke, laid back, reasonable in his response to any situation, intelligent with leadership qualities, acceptable to all - someone like John Key?

[fungus pudding]

So the question remains - unanswered by ELZ from my earlier post. Why can't the left find a credible leader? They had a soft easy-going guy who would have appealed to all the mothers out there but his reticence or shyness which ELZ always defended eventually led to his ousting. Then they come up with a demented ferret who is not liked by too many of his party elite and who has resorted to the union rhetoric of yesteryear and terrified all the schoolteachers, lawyers and other academics at the heart of Labour. It's probably too late now, but can't they find an ordinary bloke, laid back, reasonable in his response to any situation, intelligent with leadership qualities, acceptable to all - someone like John Key?

No, they can't.

[iceman]

Why can't the left find a credible leader? It's probably too late now, but can't they find an ordinary bloke, laid back, reasonable in his response to any situation, intelligent with leadership qualities, acceptable to all - someone like John Key?

Because they're such a broad church of many and very different congregations. For example, what has the miner on the West Coast in common with the academic, the bureaucrat in Wellington or the Rainbow faction ? How is it possible to find a Leader to suit all of those factions within Labour. It simply isn't. The only one of recent Leadership challengers that comes close to an "ordinary bloke" is Shane Jones but the feminists, the rainbows and the academics would never accept him.
Labour has no future trying to cater for all these groups within one party.