If National wins ...

[fungus pudding]

Here is Work and Income's revamped website, not one I've ever had to look at for long. The page on taking overseas trips is lacking detail.

http://www.workandincome.govt.nz/ind...-overseas.html

FFS - click on the link you posted and read the first line, follow it through. If you find that vague or lacking detail, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. It's Noddy and Big ears level.
Just in case you missed the link to Sue Moroney's radio interview, here it goes again. It's both amusing and bemusing all at once. Cunliffe or McCarten will put a muzzle on her soon.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland...ries-traveling

[Jay]

If you are going overseas go and talk to them, you will find out the rest when you talk to them, won't find out anything (except you will not have a benefit) if you don't - Looks pretty straight forward to me.
I did hear the interview, Larry Williams got her a bit tounge tied to say the least.

[Cuzzie]

That's Sue Moroney. If you didn't hear her on Larry William's show yesterday (Thursday) it's worth a listen. She's got to be a contender for the dizziest politician of all time.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland...ries-traveling

Fairly indicative of Labour's problem. They are obviously short of talent to have her as spokesperson on anything at all.

Thanks for that F.P, I just listened to the clip. What we have got here is failure to understand (at the risk of sounding like a Guns & Roses song) by Labour that you can not oppose everything National does. Oppose it if it's fundamentally wrong in your left wing point of view, but don't oppose it if a bill has worked, like this one has.
EZ, you remind us quite frequently of Labours policies that National has embraced and you are correct in saying so - that's good politics. Whats' not so cool is opposing everything just for the hell of it. You are guilty of this too.
My wisdom for the day is - Being one eyed will not win a spoon & egg race, but it wont stop spoons and eggs being part of it. Sue Moroney, your an egg.

Definition of an egg in NZ slang for those not in the know is/ An egg is a New Zealand slang word for someone who is acting like a dumbass, clown or an idiot. However it is used as a nicer way of saying such things. A recent Kiwi movie called "Boy" uses this word several times. It also could be used instead of saying dick. "stop being adick, bro"
Stop being an egg, bro.

Sue don't stop being an egg, you showcase Labour beautifully.

[westerly]

If you are going overseas go and talk to them, you will find out the rest when you talk to them, won't find out anything (except you will not have a benefit) if you don't - Looks pretty straight forward to me.
I did hear the interview, Larry Williams got her a bit tounge tied to say the least.

Why bother , they automatically stop payments anyway . And resume when you re-enter the country. Considering the shock horror at benificaries going overseas it would interesting to have a breakdown of nationalities,
Probably to pc for that though.

Westerly

[iceman]

That's Sue Moroney. If you didn't hear her on Larry William's show yesterday (Thursday) it's worth a listen. She's got to be a contender for the dizziest politician of all time.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland...ries-traveling

Fairly indicative of Labour's problem. They are obviously short of talent to have her as spokesperson on anything at all.

OMG. Just listened to that. Unbelievable that these people are spokes people and haven;t got the faintest idea on what they're talking about.
A bit like Materia Turei on with Duncan Garner yesterday, talking about their great Capital Gains Tax. When he asked her what rate CGT they proposed, she went quiet and obviously had not thought about that small detail. She thentold Garner she would check and see if the rate had been decided or not. Garner let her off with slight ridicule.
And these people are being proposed as Senior Ministers !

[elZorro]

FFS - click on the link you posted and read the first line, follow it through. If you find that vague or lacking detail, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. It's Noddy and Big ears level.
Just in case you missed the link to Sue Moroney's radio interview, here it goes again. It's both amusing and bemusing all at once. Cunliffe or McCarten will put a muzzle on her soon.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland...ries-traveling

I had a listen, thanks. I think a beneficiary calling their receipts "pay" is unacceptable. But surely this person is unusual, just like there are some people with jobs who don't value them properly. Sue Moroney made some good points, although maybe not as organised as Paula Bennett on the day. Surely the main point is that there are more unemployed now than there were, when Labour were in. The costs of running govt is still going up, partly because of these expenses. $21mill is an average of $500 per person involved, so we're talking about a 2 week trip or holiday somewhere, usually paid for by relatives. There's no way most beneficiaries can save anthing over their normal daily costs, unless they're living with their parents.

Anyway it's fine to pick up on the beneficiaries, as long as there are unfilled jobs without a high skills need, and if all the other much bigger tax rorts and financial rorts have been sorted first. But National doesn't want the voting public to get any perspective on this.

[Harvey Specter]

Sue Moroney made some good points,

Really - she was just ranting. She was talking about how many people incorrect had benefits stopped - Paula had already answered that. I cant remember the exact numbers but of the 3000 that had a cut, 34 had applied for and got it back.

I thought Paula was fair. When asked why they automatically got it back when they returned. She quickly replied "because they are entitled to it".

The fact is Labour had a similar rule in place but it is National (possibly due to improvements in technology) that have actually enforced it. Hopefully they will continue to pursue technology improvements, not just in this are (beneficiaries) but others as well (I know they are using more technology to find tax dodgers, which Labour are disputing despite the fact IRD budget has increased every year National have been in).

[Sgt Pepper]

HS
reasonable points, buts heres an ethical question, whats your opinion, truly, of tax evasion, is it
A as bad as benefit fraud
b not as bad
c just bad luck for the people who get caught by IRD,

and do you think the penalties are fair or should they be more severe

[fungus pudding]

HS
reasonable points, buts heres an ethical question, whats your opinion, truly, of tax evasion, is it
A as bad as benefit fraud
b not as bad
c just bad luck for the people who get caught by IRD,

and do you think the penalties are fair or should they be more severe

What on earth has that got to do with benefit fraud?

[Major von Tempsky]

The tendency of communist/socialist governments is to wind up with half the population employed spying on the other half and on each other as with the Stasi in East Germany and in "1984" and in Helen Clark's NZ if she had stayed in power longer. I guess it does keep unemployment down.

That would be the only way a Labour Government could have picked up lies told by the SCF directors and signed off by them as being true to get into the deposits guarantee scheme. Or should you assume that every statement written and signed off by directors of NZ listed companies are lies and have squads of spies employed full time to discovering these lies?