If National wins ...

[fungus pudding]

Oh yeah, thanks Slimwin, I'll tell her that, it should work?

There were quite a few Labour people around here who were thinking of joining the Greens, after having to work too hard trying to tow the party line. With the Greens, you just need a ukulele I think.

BTW I'm not really anti-greens, but I'm starting to get more focussed about it after my daughter's change of heart. At least they're on the leftie side.

Where would they tow it to?

[craic]

Well, Winston Peters is looking more like a Socialist leader than anyone else on the block at the moment. Maybe if he painted his bus red and got a few tattoos?

Where would they tow it to?

[couta1]

Mc vicar is a fundamentalist and will only ever be popular for a brief time. Same as Craig and the left equivalents.

Untold kiwi families have a lot to thank Mr McVicar for in bringing a whole lot more justice to these shores where ALL the politicians failed by only paying lip service to dealing with the scum and vermin who think its their right to kill,rape and injure ordinary citizens.

[elZorro]

Where would they tow it to?

Quite right FP, I meant 'toe the party line'. In the Energy newsletter today, someone commented it's a good thing that Winston got in, now the hawkish side of the National Party won't be able to make fundamental, possibly poorly planned and short-term changes to the RMA. Developers will still have to do the right thing, correct?

[BlackPeter]

Forget all that - I need some general advice. My daughter has recently forsaken Labour and joined the Green Party. What should I do?

Good question - the cynics in me would say that she didn't change her political views at all - all the same, but if we ignore the cynics in me for a moment: Children tend to have a phase where they grow up and try to be just different from their parents. You could join the Greens as well, maybe this would cure her? But I guess the more important question is what do you want to achieve? If it is a healthy family life and a good relationship to your daughter, than maybe you should do nothing - and look forward to more interesting political discussions in the circle of your family.

Look at it from the bright side - what would you do if she would have joined The Conservatives, ACT or National instead?

[BlackPeter]

Untold kiwi families have a lot to thank Mr McVicar for in bringing a whole lot more justice to these shores where ALL the politicians failed by only paying lip service to dealing with the scum and vermin who think its their right to kill,rape and injure ordinary citizens.

Not sure, whether it is so easy ... Yes, there are some really bad people out there who better belong for long times behind bars.

Unfortunately its not always easy to distinguish between the real bad ones and the ones who have just been at the wrong time at the wrong place - and to distinguish these from the ones who have just been framed by a sometimes corrupt and / or out of their depth police force and justice system.

Did you notice that the punishment tends to get harsher if the system is not really sure, whether the convicted person was really at fault?

As well - McVicar and some of the supportive lynch mob don't seem to accept that people can change over time. Admittedly not everybody, but some do.

Yes - it is terrible to be the innocent victim of a crime. It is however as well terrible to be innocently locked up (and this is something which takes much longer to suffer - can you imagine how you would feel to be without guilt for decades behind bars)?

Personally I think New Zealand would be a better (and more humane) place without McVicar and this self-righteous mob.

[elZorro]

Good question - the cynics in me would say that she didn't change her political views at all - all the same, but if we ignore the cynics in me for a moment: Children tend to have a phase where they grow up and try to be just different from their parents. You could join the Greens as well, maybe this would cure her? But I guess the more important question is what do you want to achieve? If it is a healthy family life and a good relationship to your daughter, than maybe you should do nothing - and look forward to more interesting political discussions in the circle of your family.

Look at it from the bright side - what would you do if she would have joined The Conservatives, ACT or National instead?

Thanks for the advice BlackPeter. I'm pleased she's showing some independent thought, and if I didn't back Labour, the Greens would be next for me. I think the people involved will be more in her tribe than Labour's. Yes, I'd be mortified if she voted National, ACT or Conservative, but there's not much chance of that, she's done her research

Craic, great to hear about your donation to Maungatautari. It's a place well worth a visit if you're travelling through the lower Waikato sometime.

[Major von Tempsky]

"With the Greens, you just need a ukulele I think."

Love it! Love it!

How very apt and accurate.

[elZorro]

"With the Greens, you just need a ukulele I think."

Love it! Love it!

How very apt and accurate.

I have a lot of time for Metiria Turei, she seems to be full of fun, and she's smart too.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11301085

More on ukuleles and other things.

http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-af...n-diary-day-3/

[Daytr]

Who is Belg? Imaginations run wild on this thread.
The sun is shining in Winnie country. ;-)