If National wins ...

[elZorro]

Cute, westerley. So you are saying that only an at least second generation NZ socialist knows what racism and xenophobia is? How dare a recent import from the British islands teach old hands like you - outrageous, isn't it? Always good to learn from an expert like you ... and I understand now why Mr Twyford is so good in exercising these skills ...

BP, none of that stacks up. You are doing all you can to support a National/Act govt, but it's no use. Without enough tax income to balance the books this side of 2017, with rampant house prices in Auckland spurring on the property market for a crash, and with many in fear of losing their jobs in the wake of the low dairy cheque, there will be a change in political sentiment before the next election.

National's poor policies (or lack of policies) will undo them in the end. Pity the rest of us have to pay the price.

New Labour proposal on prov tax looks useful, one part of it anyway. No penalty fee if you get the prov payments wrong. Predicting your tax a year in advance is often difficult. I haven't looked at the detail, but it would be fair if the interest rate on overdue payments was the same as the interest rate paid on overpayments. Or even, no interest rate at all. The IRD doesn't need to be a bank.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/small-busi...y+18+July+2015

The latest Roy Morgan Poll. This one, I can agree with.

National takes big hit in latest Roy Morgan NZ poll Friday, 17 July 2015, 5:33 pm Article: BusinessDesk

National takes big hit in latest Roy Morgan NZ poll

By Pattrick Smellie
July 17 (BusinessDesk) - The National Party has lost more than 10 percent of its support in two months, as measured by the New Zealand arm of Australian pollster Roy Morgan, to run neck and neck at 45 percent support, with its coalition partners, against a combination of the Labour and Green parties for the first time since five months before last September's general election.
Labour and the Greens at 45 percent lead National at 43.5 percent, although 1.5 percentage points of combined support for National's four seat parliamentary partnership with the Maori, Act and United Future parties puts the two blocs at an equal 45 percent. In its May poll, which showed much higher support for National than other publicly available polls, Roy Morgan NZ had National at 54 percent support. The same poll had National at 46.5 percent in March.
If an election were held today, the New Zealand First party of Winston Peters would determine who forms a government, with 7 percent support, up 0.5 percentage points since Roy Morgan NZ's last political poll, in June. The same agency released polling showing a marked increase in concern about the economy among New Zealanders earlier this week.
The poll of 886 people was taken in the early days of this month, before this week's Labour Party attack on the level of foreign, especially mainland Chinese ownership, of Auckland residential real estate and the very low prices for dairy products in the global auction held overnight on Wednesday.



The latest poll shows Labour and the Greens command 45 percent of the vote, compared to the National Party's 43.5 percent support, bolstered to 45 percent support by 1.5 percentage points of support for the Maori (1.5 percent) and Act (0.5 percent), with the United Party, holding one territorial seat in the 121 seat Parliament, registering zero again.
Most encouraging for Labour is that it gained 6 of the 6.5 percentage point gain to record 32 percent support, while the Greens were unchanged at 13 percent after changing last month from male co-leader Russel Norman to James Shaw.
Despite covering a period in which the Conservative Party appeared to implode, with the ousting of founder and financial backer Colin Craig, its support touched 1.5 percent, up on 1 percent on a month earlier, although below the statistical margin of error for significance.(BusinessDesk)

[BlackPeter]

BP, none of that stacks up.

EZ, only thing I did in my recent post was praising westerly's self declared wisdom, authority and experience in all things racism. So you say this does not stack up and I can't really trust him? Ah well, maybe you Lefties should sort out internally who of you is credible and who not - too confusing for me.

Re Labours tax proposal - haven't yet fully digested it, but given the currently quite ridiculous situation with provisional tax (pay it whether you earn something or not) would I think it only can mean an improvement. Certainly worthwhile to start a discussion on it. See - it is possible for the Left to make positive contributions to the political discussion without drawing the race card - why not always that way?

[elZorro]

EZ, only thing I did in my recent post was praising westerly's self declared wisdom, authority and experience in all things racism. So you say this does not stack up and I can't really trust him? Ah well, maybe you Lefties should sort out internally who of you is credible and who not - too confusing for me.

Re Labours tax proposal - haven't yet fully digested it, but given the currently quite ridiculous situation with provisional tax (pay it whether you earn something or not) would I think it only can mean an improvement. Certainly worthwhile to start a discussion on it. See - it is possible for the Left to make positive contributions to the political discussion without drawing the race card - why not always that way?

BP, I can see what you're doing, linking Labour with searchable words for the google search engine. I'm not going to add to it. Labour worked as well as they could on the supplied data, and produced a report. They had also researched other geographical areas, so they knew they were on solid ground with some general conclusions.

About the prov tax, as far as I am aware, any business is within their rights to decide their own prov tax payments, ignoring the guideline from an accountant, it's just that at the moment, they risk being clobbered with substantial penalty interest and costs if they are more than a few thousand dollars out. With this low dairy cheque, many businesses will know their chances of stellar profits in the next year or two are minimal, and they'll be adjusting their prov payments right now, probably cancelling them. The National Govt and Treasury will see all this soon enough.

More bad dairy news sinking in. This is very bad, Liam Dann doesn't even want to look at the camera. Note the comments.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/best-of-bu...y+18+July+2015

[Daytr]

Hey BP, maybe do a google search with the combination of John Key and ponytail. I pulled up 697,000 results! Ha ha
I think you need a new dictionary in regards the definition of racism.
I'm European of English/Irish decent. Saying that must make me racist in your book.

[BlackPeter]

BP, I can see what you're doing, linking Labour with searchable words for the google search engine. I'm not going to add to it. Labour worked as well as they could on the supplied data, and produced a report. They had also researched other geographical areas, so they knew they were on solid ground with some general conclusions.

I didn't do anything. It was Labour who decided to put a white guy in front of the media telling a story that they have been combing some data records for Chinese sounding names - and that he found too many of them. How exactly did Labour think that this might play out?

[elZorro]

I didn't do anything. It was Labour who decided to put a white guy in front of the media telling a story that they have been combing some data records for Chinese sounding names - and that he found too many of them. How exactly did Labour think that this might play out?

If they'd been mostly Russian, Arabic, Indian, Scandinavian surnames say, they'd have been able to distinguish those too, and reported on it. There could still be substantial European overseas investors, they're just harder to dig out because there are a lot of European surnames here. But in any case, a near majority of buyers appeared to have Asian surnames, that's just how it worked out.

Compare that to National's "story", and that's what it is, that only a low few percent of house sales in Auckland are going to overseas Chinese investors, and that is the main message. The NZ public is being told a huge fib/lie by our National govt. They are welcome to prove Labour wrong.

[winner69]

Hey BP, maybe do a google search with the combination of John Key and ponytail. I pulled up 697,000 results! Ha ha
I think you need a new dictionary in regards the definition of racism.
I'm European of English/Irish decent. Saying that must make me racist in your book.

Yeah gods, John pulled 697,000 ponytails. That's a lot of ponytails

Must have pulled a few several times I reckon

[BlackPeter]

More bad dairy news sinking in. This is very bad, Liam Dann doesn't even want to look at the camera. Note the comments.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/best-of-bu...y+18+July+2015

Hi EZ, don't despair ... I remember Labour complaining for many years about the high NZ dollar. Now - looks like we cracked this problem - a huge boost for our export industry. Looking forward to profitable times ...

Yes - dairy is an unfortunate exception, and hey - this just happens if you give a lazy coop quasi monopoly status. A bunch of greedy self serving managers enjoyed splashing other people's money away with questionable ventures overseas (remember the Chinese melamine crisis) and without sufficient focus on internal quality control (remember also the 2013 botulism scandal).

What they should have done is diversifying their production from boring staples everybody can produce to value added specialities ... and obviously care more about quality than about rising the top managers salaries.

Just remind me - wasn't Fonterra formed under Labours watch? So - if we follow for a moment your logic that the government is responsible for everything - why is it more National's than Labour's fault that this industry is in a crisis?

[BlackPeter]

BP, I can see what you're doing, linking Labour with searchable words for the google search engine. I'm not going to add to it. Labour worked as well as they could on the supplied data, and produced a report. They had also researched other geographical areas, so they knew they were on solid ground with some general conclusions.

Hi EZ, on a second thought - not quite sure, what you accused me of doing with the google search engine, but just wondering - is Labour perhaps trying to get in damage control related to this story? Did the party just tell you to avoid this subject in social media to keep the debate about Labours race baiting low key?

Not sure whether it is possible to put the race card back, but doing the honest thing and issue an apology and maybe pull Mr Twysomething (looks like I forgot his name already) and whoever authorised this campaign would certainly be a better solution than just smothering the debate. This could even help to return the discussion towards solving an existing problem (the Auckland housing crisis, which is clearly real), instead of Labour creating new problems by inciting xenophobia.

Just a thought ...

[westerly]

[QUOTE=BlackPeter;581794]Cute, westerley. So you are saying that only an at least second generation NZ socialist knows what racism and xenophobia is? How dare a recent import from the British islands teach old hands like you - outrageous, isn't it? Always good to learn from an expert like you ... and I understand now why Mr Twyford is so good in exercising these skills ... [/QUOTE

No one would describe me as cute BP However you do seem to have a unique way of interpreting other peoples posts.

westerly