Labour govt 2020-23

[dobby41]

Just imagine if National had not reduced the number of publicly owned houses in their 9 years. We wouldn't have such a deficit now.

Touche - and they'll do it again because that's what National Govts do best!

[iceman]

It's issued by a Government department.
What I think the difference is that the numbers you issued are net whilst the Government numbers were gross and if that's the case you cannot divide the net number by the cost it's the gross number. Because that's the number of houses built or bought, not the net of defunct houses.

Either way it justifies the increase in debt, they spent it on housing and this is where your post was completely disingenuous.

Just imagine if National had not reduced the number of publicly owned houses in their 9 years. We wouldn't have such a deficit now.

I hope they do the same again. Reduce the number of state houses mismanaged by HNZ and seek alternative local providers to manage housing in their areas. The current model is a complete failure resulting in slums all around the country where we regularly hear of murders and other serious crimes. The sooner we stop this never ending growth of slums funded by $ Billions in extra debt, the better.

Thankfully the former Labour Government Minister who has Chaired this failure for the last 5 or 6 years, has seen the signs and resigned. Time for a shake up as soon as Bishop receives the recommendations from Bill English in May.

[Balance]

It's issued by a Government department.
What I think the difference is that the numbers you issued are net whilst the Government numbers were gross and if that's the case you cannot divide the net number by the cost it's the gross number. Because that's the number of houses built or bought, not the net of defunct houses.

Either way it justifies the increase in debt, they spent it on housing and this is where your post was completely disingenuous.

Just imagine if National had not reduced the number of publicly owned houses in their 9 years. We wouldn't have such a deficit now.

Yup - issued by a government department but spun by Ardern & Labour into BS stats.

This was in the press release - "Since October 2017, there has been a net increase of 12,017 public homes, with 9,917 of these being new builds (as at April 2023)."

Where are the 12,017 NET INCREASE? Kainga Ora shows 9,013 so whose number is correct?

Where is the fact check by the corrupted ms media?

Note too that most of the net increase are in the 1 and 2 bedroom units (apartments in other words) - the private sector would have delivered at well under KO's costs, inflated by the 70% increase in staff numbers and their gross incompetencies.

The housing shortage has become a crisis under Labour - something which the private sector had done a decent job of containing during National. Now there are tens of thousands of families languishing in the waiting list or in emergency housing - that is a fact.

[Daytr]

Yup - issued by a government department but spun by Ardern & Labour into BS stats.

This was in the press release - "Since October 2017, there has been a net increase of 12,017 public homes, with 9,917 of these being new builds (as at April 2023)."

Where are the 12,017 NET INCREASE? Kainga Ora shows 9,013 so whose number is correct?

Where is the fact check by the corrupted ms media?

Note too that most of the net increase are in the 1 and 2 bedroom units (apartments in other words) - the private sector would have delivered at well under KO's costs, inflated by the 70% increase in staff numbers and their gross incompetencies.

The housing shortage has become a crisis under Labour - something which the private sector had done a decent job of containing during National. Now there are tens of thousands of families languishing in the waiting list or in emergency housing - that is a fact.

So National reduced the public housing stock by 1500 over nine years & you are quibbling over Labour's numbers and claim that Labour created a bigger housing crisis.
Perhaps if they had performed as National did you would be happy?
John Key & Paula Bennett both grew up in State Housing and showed no empathy for those in the same position.
Any public housing by any Government is going to take away resources from the private sector so your point is moot.
National have no credibility in public housing at all. Hopefully that changes.

And you have also dodged your one sided post that Labour increased debt without crediting the assets they created. I am all for critiquing the Government as long as it's balanced, something you fail to do again despite your moniker.

[Balance]

So National reduced the public housing stock by 1500 over nine years & you are quibbling over Labour's numbers and claim that Labour created a bigger housing crisis.
Perhaps if they had performed as National did you would be happy?
John Key & Paula Bennett both grew up in State Housing and showed no empathy for those in the same position.
Any public housing by any Government is going to take away resources from the private sector so your point is moot.
National have no credibility in public housing at all. Hopefully that changes.

And you have also dodged your one sided post that Labour increased debt without crediting the assets they created. I am all for critiquing the Government as long as it's balanced, something you fail to do again despite your moniker.

Labour's housing track record under Clueless Cindy, Hapless Hipkins and Hole Robertson :

Between 2017 and 2023

1. Housing waiting list - up 250% from 7357 to 25,839

2. Emergency Housing - up 240% from less than 1,000 households to 3417 households. Cost increased from $52m to $340m annually.

As for the asset side of the blow out in debt of $9.6 billion, KO has paid out for some of the most expensive housing ever (especially the 1 and 2 bedroom units).

So a reminder :

One of Ardern's diversity for the sake of diversity & rewarding ex-Labour supporters appointments - and what a freaking disaster he has turned out to be.

1. Full time staff at KO increased from 1,944 to 3,300 - 70% increase!

2. 1,963 Kiwibuild homes built of the 100,000 promised.

3. Debt increased from $2.7 billion to $12.3 billion and still climbing - 355% increase.

4. State housing waiting list increased by 20,000.

5. $1m spent PER DAY on emergency housing.

Let's hope that this incompetent ex-Labour Minister gets pilloried for the clown that he is.

What a freaking waste of space.

[Daytr]

Labour's housing track record under Clueless Cindy, Hapless Hipkins and Hole Robertson :

Between 2017 and 2023

1. Housing waiting list - up 250% from 7357 to 25,839

2. Emergency Housing - up 240% from less than 1,000 households to 3417 households. Cost increased from $52m to $340m annually.

As for the asset side of the blow out in debt of $9.6 billion, KO has paid out for some of the most expensive housing ever (especially the 1 and 2 bedroom units).

So a reminder :

One of Ardern's diversity for the sake of diversity & rewarding ex-Labour supporters appointments - and what a freaking disaster he has turned out to be.

1. Full time staff at KO increased from 1,944 to 3,300 - 70% increase!

2. 1,963 Kiwibuild homes built of the 100,000 promised.

3. Debt increased from $2.7 billion to $12.3 billion and still climbing - 355% increase.

4. State housing waiting list increased by 20,000.

5. $1m spent PER DAY on emergency housing.

Let's hope that this incompetent ex-Labour Minister gets pilloried for the clown that he is.

What a freaking waste of space.

No a freaking waste of space was a Government not adding any public housing, in fact reducing it by 1500 houses.

If National had added houses at the same rate as Labour did even based on your lower number we would have over 12,000 additional public houses and basically no waiting list at all.

Yes Labour paid some ridiculous prices to secure land, yes they were inefficient, but I don't know a Government department no matter who is in power which isn't.

Your numbers don't include undeveloped land that has been purchased nor partially completed developments.

There are five projects in Northland alone that are in various phases of development that will provide another 600+ houses.

It's hard to be criticized on anything specific when you do nothing as National did. What I do remember was there was an epidemic of people sleeping in cars, many of those have been provided with emergency housing. Mothers & their children escaping domestic violence had no where to go, now they do, it's not perfect & it's expensive.

Could Labour have done better? No doubt.
Some of Labour's other policies around rentals & investors in the property market also had unintended consequences and increased the numbers looking for emergency & public housing. Rents are now unaffordable for many which is a national disgrace.

Did National's nine years of neglect create a much bigger problem? Absolutely.
Wasted, squandered years of neglect & dereliction of duty that only served the already wealthy.

I don't care which party delivers on some of the massive issues facing NZ, I just hope that the new Government faces them head on and not do a John Key & say there's nothing to see here...
Key is such a capable guy & yet delivered very little.

[Balance]

No a freaking waste of space was a Government not adding any public housing, in fact reducing it by 1500 houses.

If National had added houses at the same rate as Labour did even based on your lower number we would have over 12,000 additional public houses and basically no waiting list at all.

Yes Labour paid some ridiculous prices to secure land, yes they were inefficient, but I don't know a Government department no matter who is in power which isn't.

Your numbers don't include undeveloped land that has been purchased nor partially completed developments.

There are five projects in Northland alone that are in various phases of development that will provide another 600+ houses.

It's hard to be criticized on anything specific when you do nothing as National did. What I do remember was there was an epidemic of people sleeping in cars, many of those have been provided with emergency housing. Mothers & their children escaping domestic violence had no where to go, now they do, it's not perfect & it's expensive.

Could Labour have done better? No doubt.
Some of Labour's other policies around rentals & investors in the property market also had unintended consequences and increased the numbers looking for emergency & public housing. Rents are now unaffordable for many which is a national disgrace.

Did National's nine years of neglect create a much bigger problem? Absolutely.
Wasted, squandered years of neglect & dereliction of duty that only served the already wealthy.

I don't care which party delivers on some of the massive issues facing NZ, I just hope that the new Government faces them head on and not do a John Key & say there's nothing to see here...
Key is such a capable guy & yet delivered very little.

National’s policy was and still is to let the private sector and householders take care of housing needs with the state playing a safety net role - and it worked.

What’s the proof? The waiting list and emergency accommodation needs exploded under Labour, despite Labour spending billions of dollars to no avail.

Labour’s policy (in everything) is that the government knows best and what a mess Ardern, Hipkins and the Labour government have made of housing. And in education, health, infrastructure, police … almost everything.

Billions of dollars spent and the so-called housing crisis became a disaster.

Blame and deflect all you want, Daytr - the above are the facts.

[Daytr]

National’s policy was and still is to let the private sector and householders take care of housing needs with the state playing a safety net role - and it worked.

What’s the proof? The waiting list and emergency accommodation needs exploded under Labour, despite Labour spending billions of dollars to no avail.

Labour’s policy (in everything) is that the government knows best and what a mess Ardern, Hipkins and the Labour government have made of housing. And in education, health, infrastructure, police … almost everything.

Billions of dollars spent and the so-called housing crisis became a disaster.

Blame and deflect all you want, Daytr - the above are the facts.

It didn't work & the safety net wasn't there, otherwise there wouldn't have been so many people sleeping in their cars. The problem was just ignored and slept under the rug.

[Daytr]

I hope they do the same again. Reduce the number of state houses mismanaged by HNZ and seek alternative local providers to manage housing in their areas. The current model is a complete failure resulting in slums all around the country where we regularly hear of murders and other serious crimes. The sooner we stop this never ending growth of slums funded by $ Billions in extra debt, the better.

Thankfully the former Labour Government Minister who has Chaired this failure for the last 5 or 6 years, has seen the signs and resigned. Time for a shake up as soon as Bishop receives the recommendations from Bill English in May.

How can people who require state housing pay market rent? There is probably a happy balance there to be had between the State & private sector for sure. The problem we have now is that there is such a shortage of rentals and rents have sky rocketed that it can't be left to the private sector.

And I will be the first to admit it was a confluence of some of Labour's other policies around tenancy & tax etc that exasperated the problem. Mind you it was Key's Government that introduced the Brightline test rather than a proper CGT, Labour just extended it. The biggest issue however I think was removing tax deductibility for interest.

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/hmnzs-...KMIOZF6D4LRN4/

HMNZS Aotearoa: New Navy ship already rusty - $9 million damage done



Yet another disaster likely from the time of Camp Commandant Little, mostly asleep under his Parliamentary Chair


The master of the great Kiwi Te Whata Health Ph^ck up, the Pikers River Unholy throw a large bundle down Hole
and b*llsh!t the locals c*ock up (no inspections needed) and probably a multitude of other similar showings


Lets guess the likely excuse -- They were managing