I think Satara are having their difficulties,1 season ago Eastpack were looking to merge,then came PSA and they pulled out,then SEEKA had their go,I don't think they are efficient enough in this competitive industry,it all comes to packout cost,i.e cost of packing per tray,and apparently they only have one decent packhouse right in Te Puke,with a few smaller less efficient ones,plus they are losing growers.