If National wins ...

[elZorro]

When I say I've learnt a lot, Belge, I mean I do enjoy seeing the range of political points of view. I don't like non-factual spin though. Untruths if you like. None of us deserve to have our time wasted with that.

David Cunliffe looked to be under pressure in parliament today, according to the press and TV3 tonight. As an employer I've yet to have to cope with accounting for maternity leave, so this minor derailment to the public understanding of the Baby Bonus is a bit beyond me. But it does seem that the policy is attracting voter interest, and with other Labour/green moves like the cheaper power, the No to more asset sales, the CGT and higher tax at the top end, there are only a few powerful lobbies in the country who wouldn't like to see these policies enacted. At the end of the day the noise has to be seen for what it is.

[winner69]

EZ, I think your man is going to be taken to the cleaners this year by Key

Key as it all over him in any discussion ....and as things are turning out it looks like your man is even sneakier than Key and that's saying something

[westerly]

Agree craig. This thread has been going for a long time and has had mainly good natured banter and firm views on politics and political parties posted. This personal slanging match is disappointing. Lets try to stick to debating issues and avoid personal attacks, both ways.

Given the example set by our elected representatives in the house it is probably predictable there will be a fair bit of slanging going on in a political
thread Perhaps someone should start a new thread " election 2014 " where the bribes, inducements, and outright bull of all parties can be discussed as they battle for victory in the next election. Some posters will inevitably get personal as the politicians do but as a centre voter who can be persuaded either way, hopefully we may all learn something in deciding which party to support.

Westerly

[elZorro]

EZ, I think your man is going to be taken to the cleaners this year by Key

Key as it all over him in any discussion ....and as things are turning out it looks like your man is even sneakier than Key and that's saying something

That does worry me a bit, because you seem to have very balanced comments W69. I think the wording of the State of the Nation speech should have been a bit more developed there, although there was a lot of stuff to get through in the time. It's a warning for Cunliffe that from now on, the knives are out. Labour are asking for funds to develop their social network tools (read, software). They probably intend to do lots of twittering and facebooking. Which might make this forum old-fashioned, but I'm too old to change now.

I am waiting for David Cunliffe to be a permanent statesman. He does get it perfect more often than not, but the press gang seemed to unsettle him today. He would have to be tired, but I contend that even after his holiday in Hawaii, John Key looked like a parrot in a Monty Python sketch.

In order to be ready for any staff member who gets involved in family matters, here is the IRD's salient paragraph about business costs:

Paid parental leave is available to female employees who give birth to a child, or to either parent where a couple has assumed the care of a child under six they intend to jointly adopt. You may transfer all or part of your paid parental leave to your spouse/partner as long as they are also eligible.

If you meet either the six or 12 month eligibility criteria, you are entitled to paid parental leave for 14 weeks. To receive it, you must apply to your employer for parental leave, then apply to Inland Revenue for parental leave payments. This paid leave must be taken at the same time as any unpaid leave you take.

The maximum level of payment is currently $488.17 per week before tax. You are entitled to either your gross weekly rate of pay (your pay before tax) or $488.17, whichever is lower.

The payment period begins when your parental leave begins - that is, when you start your maternity, partner’s/paternity, or extended leave.

So the job position is kept open for a time, and the weekly payments are covered by govt for 14 weeks at the moment. Note that these payments are a lot higher than the baby bonus. Labour will extend the govt payments to up to 26 weeks and then pay a $60 bonus for the rest of the 12 months. Those in the unfortunate position of not having a job at the time, get just $60 extra a week for the 12 months.
Remember there could be lots of reasons for this latter situation, I'm just trying to head off a few dozen posts..

[Cuzzie]

Dunno, I think I've learnt a lot. Maybe you haven't read or comprehended any of the posts BB. Not sure if you've been able to post anything positive or useful yourself..that would be our challenge to you.

EZ, I'm with you, I think birmanboy is a referee of one of the many winter codes and misses telling people what to do and all without adding anything what so ever to the topic. If you don't like the healthy debate, or not so healthy debate at times BB don't read it. Simple really.

[Cuzzie]

Ditto. I have learnt quite a bit too.

Mainly thanks to elZ's own research in rebuttal to some of the nonsense published by others but also from the all-to-few sensible posts from those disagreeing with various points of view.

I do find it annoying and sad that many who disagree with any posts from the "left" (whatever that is!) can only find time enough to spout ill-conceived one-liners or total nonsense. For this reason, I would like the thread to remain as evidence as too just how poorly informed (dare I say educated?) those on the "ruling" side are. In time, this thread will prove very insightful to those wishing to understand more about the climate of the day and understand more about how voting decisions are made.

For example - The fact that our self-appointed expert in everything (MVT) and Cuzzie (hounded off another share forum for being an obnoxious idiot) are roundly patting each other on the back speaks volumes don't you think?

Social media at its very best ...

Looks like belgarion has been trolling me and missed. Belboy, you have added one plus one and got three. The only other share forum I have ever belonged to is http://www.stockhouse.com/ and I get on great with everyone. Same stocks same interest, same hopes for the future, what could go wrong? Nothing has yet. I use the same handle stalk away and tell us all what you find! However you have said "hounded off another share forum for being an obnoxious idiot", so please feel free to put up or shut up. Now in this instance I most certainly can state belboy lied, why I don't know. What I do know is belboy is officially a B.Ser. If he can confirm it he will need to - right now. I know he is full of B.S so this will be entertaining.
BTW, belboy I can return the favor and stalk you a bit, but this time with a hit.
This is what I found. http://tumeke.blogspot.co.nz/2007/04...ng-i-said.html
In there it is stated, "and a an anonymong called belgarion who posts on www.sharetrader.co.nz'. Yep the same annoying B.Ser on here - belgarion. Don't know who you think I am but I'm new to forums. At least you and I both know you manipulate truth for your own needs. You would make a good Labour MP.
You are bitter and twisted bel. sort yourself out.

[iceman]

Labour are asking for funds to develop their social network tools (read, software). They probably intend to do lots of twittering and facebooking.

You obviously missed the interview with David Clarke today EZ. Labour's revenue spokesman hinted they may want to close Facebook in NZ !

[elZorro]

You obviously missed the interview with David Clarke today EZ. Labour's revenue spokesman hinted they may want to close Facebook in NZ !

At least he's putting out the message, Labour will be instructing IRD to look harder at tax evasion by multinationals and those using tax havens. This would be time well spent. I dare say that many of the companies we are following have large shareholders who are using tax havens. Two to three layers deep in the company structure of individuals, but they are there.

Of course they couldn't close Facebook in NZ, but it does look a bit more profitable than Xero, and Facebook should be paying some more income tax here. They won't be paying many wages or other types of taxes.

Edit: In Oct 2012 they had an office in Shortland St Auckland, 2 staff. There are two vacancies at the moment, for the only office in NZ. So they are growing. https://www.facebook.com/careers/dep...000000Cxi9qMAB

Labour voters just want people to pay their fair share for the common good, from their income. Nothing more, nothing less.

[elZorro]

There are just 90 sitting days in parliament in 2014. They sit on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, and never before 2 p.m. John Key accused Hone Hawawira of taking 68 days leave from those, since the start of the 2011 term. But he has taken 86 days leave himself (42% of the approx. 204 days?). Leaders of parties have more engagements. But it's still a bit of an eyeopener. I guess select committees use up more of the time during the days they are there.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...ith-attendance

It's no wonder some of the video footage of debates shows a lot of empty seats. MPs can also show up for an hour or two and then leave, and these figures of hours away from parliament sitting hours is an incomplete record officially (It's in Hansard though). Labour and National have yet to provide the data. I still think MPs are underpaid though, for the stick they get.

National likely to extend paid parental leave towards the figure offered by Labour. Of course in National's case, it is not an election bribe or catchup policy. They have been such good stewards of the country, that we can now afford to do it??

When National starts saying things like this, the public get out their credit cards. Cuzzie, this is going to make your balance of accounts chart look bad again .

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=11193350

[Cuzzie]

I don't really care who you are as your intellect suggests we're unlikely to ever cross paths for which I'm truly grateful. But as to who you are ... this, in your own words:



Cuzzie wrote:

This is the sort of thing we have to watch out for. Iwi up in arms about Tag drilling near a National Park boundary. Here is a link from the Taranaki Daily Times/ http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...drilling-plans Sort of like a disabled driver upset that a car parked next to a disabled parking spot.

Is this silly stuff or is it a business motive? They are after a pay out all right. I’m a Kiwi living in NZ & have Maori blood in me and know oh to well how it works. Trouble is the Greenies will jump on this too. In the link a teary Ms Spooner said when the mountain is desecrated, one is taking the "link out of the whakapapa, genealogy" Fact is lets not forget Maori are not native to NZ and we have trees here that are still alive today that were mature before Maori arrived. Mt Taranaki has been forming for Millions of years and the only link is in myths. Respect Maori beliefs yes, but loose that respect when money is paid out to them.

NZEC bosses watch how this plays out and learn from it. NZEC can’t afford something like this happening to them but if I had to put money on it happening on the East Coast, I’d say it will. Any payment to Iwi will be ten-fold through employment opportunities and sub-contractors in successful oil producing areas. Any payment to Iwi through a hand-out will only get sheared by a few greedy leaders in each tribe leaving those who need it without. When the money is gone they will start up again and want another payment. My advise is don’t even think about making one payment, stick to your guns and just ignore any requests.

I’ll be watching proceedings with interest.

Read more at http://www.stockhouse.com/companies/...GAHu32q86hE.99
http://www.stockhouse.com/companies/...ostid=21835326

Ahh so the smear campaign continues as does the Trolling. I had to lead you to where you could find dirt on me, or should I say what you think is dirt. Your right about something bellboy, intellect suggests we're unlikely to ever cross paths. There is no way I would ever socialise with somebody like you who has not got the intelligence or the ability to debate a topic without throwing mud from the bottom of the barrel. What I have learnt about you is you lie for the sake of it. Using B.S like you have above as a tool shows incredible impromptu on your part. Try adding to the forum with intellect and wit not the psychopathic issues you clearly have. I would not give the time of day to somebody that smears another with B.S & can't back it up and you can't.
BTW, you said that I was "hounded off another share forum for being an obnoxious idiot" and we are all waiting with baited breath where & when exactly did this occur? You & I both know you can't answer that belg, so stop the little kids games, that's not normal if you are an adult.
Oh yeah just to point out another misleading mistake from above. That is my own words and quotes from Ms Spooner. I don't really care what part of my post on the stockhouse forum lead you to state " intellect suggests we're unlikely to ever cross paths for which I'm truly grateful", I do suspect it was the part Maori bit, but like you I am extremely happy that seems to be the case.

Now, belboy pull yourself together man, I'm sick of your behavior and very annoyed that I even have to reply to your crap. Others have stated that it's lowing the tone and they would be right would they not belboy.
Let it end here and now & I wont pressure you anymore about your B.S statement above. Up to you to man up - or not.