Separatist Protests + counter-protests

[davflaws]

You will be pleased to know my Patu saw no action today.

When l awoke to the tears of heaven, l soon realised it would be un rizz to expose it to the elements.

Good call.

[nztx]

We hate King Charles and all he stands for.
We will swear Allegiance to him because if we don't we will not get paid.
That is all.
- Te Paati Maori.

Swear to get Paid ..

Good one

But isn't what they get paid something of a value symbol that precedes colonial times

and to receive it something else is expected - like goods or service ?

that sort of value symbol was far from the minds of those applying their marks & scribbles
on the bit of paper way back 180 odd years ago ..

[Logen Ninefingers]

We hate King Charles and all he stands for.
We will swear Allegiance to him because if we don't we will not get paid.
That is all.
- Te Paati Maori.

‘Ferris and party co-leader Rawiri Waititi later on did not stick exactly to the script, instead of “Kīngi Tiāre te Tuatoru”, or King Charles III in te reo, the two MPs referred to “Kīngi Harehare te Tuatoru”.

Harehare can mean “scab”. Asked about this after the ceremony Waititi said “Hare” was also a term for Charles.

“It’s what we say on the coast,” he said, adding - with a wry smile - he would never call the King a word such as “scab”.’

[Logen Ninefingers]

Standing up for unity and against separatism is now apparently “belittling Maori culture”. That these trolls, happy to mock the mental health of others, will swear blind they are ‘not Left wing’ is just another indication of their disingenuous & duplicitous natures.

[Daytr]

Standing up for unity and against separatism is now apparently “belittling Maori culture”. That these trolls, happy to mock the mental health of others, will swear blind they are ‘not Left wing’ is just another indication of their disingenuous & duplicitous natures.

Oh I didn't realise it was comedy hour.
A bit more notice next time & we can organize the canned laughter.

[dobby41]

Maori separatists and Treaty revisionists, who are unhappy that Maori ceded sovereignty in the Treaty of Waitangi,

The problem is that they didn't cede sovereignty in the Te Tiriti.

We are all just going to meekly sit back why these separatists stoke division. Sad.

Most sat back while the farmers etc marched, blocked roads, and generally caused a nuisance.

[Blue Skies]

Standing up for unity and against separatism is now apparently “belittling Maori culture”. That these trolls, happy to mock the mental health of others, will swear blind they are ‘not Left wing’ is just another indication of their disingenuous & duplicitous natures.

When you say 'Standing up for unity & against separatism', do you mean Pakeha or NZ European being absorbed into & subjugated to Tikanga Māori ?

An interesting thought but I think there would be some resistance to that.

[Bjauck]

We hate King Charles and all he stands for.
We will swear Allegiance to him because if we don't we will not get paid.
That is all.
- Te Paati Maori.

Sinn Fein in Northern Ireland refuse to take of the Oath of Allegiance to the King. So they do not take their seats in the UK parliament.

[Bjauck]

The problem is that they didn't cede sovereignty in the Te Tiriti.


Most sat back while the farmers etc marched, blocked roads, and generally caused a nuisance.

Sovereignty and kawanatanga were both alien concepts to most Māori. I guess the discussions surrounding the Treaty would have explained the concepts before they assented?

[Getty]

Sovereignty and kawanatanga were both alien concepts to most Māori. I guess the discussions surrounding the Treaty would have explained the concepts before they assented?

Absolutely.
They had 5000kg of potatoes and 30 whole pigs, along with barrels of tobacco assembled on 5th January 1840, so they could chew it all over.

That in itself was a major achievement, as Pak and Save wasn't trading in those days!

Little did Hone Heke, Kawiti, Waka Nene and co know that their right to smoke would be deprived from their descendants by Smoke-free legislation in the 2020's, and even more bizarrely give rise to protest in the street by Te Pati in 2023, when a new set of Rangitira wanted to give it back!