Mercantile Investments - MVT. (BIL revisited)

[Jantar]

I see Sir Ron's Australian company, Mercantile, has now listed on the NZX. Currently trading at $0.17. From what I've read Ron is building this company in the same model as the origional BIL, and that was a very successfull model.

With BIL, it was when the more traditional directors, like Cushing, were brought in that the company started to lose direction. Will be intesting to follow this one and see what happens.

I should note that it was profit from BIL shares that allowed me to buy my first colour TV, then my first new car. :D

[Lola]

I see Sir Ron's Australian company, Mercantile, has now listed on the NZX. Currently trading at $0.17. From what I've read Ron is building this company in the same model as the origional BIL, and that was a very successfull model.

With BIL, it was when the more traditional directors, like Cushing, were brought in that the company started to lose direction. Will be intesting to follow this one and see what happens.

I should note that it was profit from BIL shares that allowed me to buy my first colour TV, then my first new car. :D

(oops, spelling mistake in the title, could a mod please correct that to "Mercantile" thanks.)

Interesting...I bet the new car and the new TV are both stuffed now just like BIL, IEL, IEP , GPG etc etc

[Crackity]

Interesting...I bet the new car and the new TV are both stuffed now just like BIL, IEL, IEP , GPG etc etc

Come on Lola be fair - only 2 are stuffed the other 2 are just heavily depreciated....

[janner]

Interesting...I bet the new car and the new TV are both stuffed now just like BIL, IEL, IEP , GPG etc etc


:-))))))))))))))))))

[Jantar]

Interesting...I bet the new car and the new TV are both stuffed now just like BIL, IEL, IEP , GPG etc etc
Too true. The TV lasted longer than the car. :p

[777]

My house is still standing and I paid cash for it from all the above plus TKM.

[Crackity]

My house is still standing and I paid cash for it from all the above plus TKM.


A friend of mine has a similar story with Bond Corp - you did well to get out at the right time 777! - So going to go for the Bach with MVT?

[777]

A friend of mine has a similar story with Bond Corp - you did well to get out at the right time 777! - So going to go for the Bach with MVT?


Tempted....

[whatsup]

Don't know why interested "punters/investors" in MVT didn't buy them on the ASX when Ron showed interest 2 years ago there at sub .10 !! , will the recent history destroy investors hard earned on this pup once again or will the management load up with millions of options ?

[Crackity]

Don't know why interested "punters/investors" in MVT didn't buy them on the ASX when Ron showed interest 2 years ago there at sub .10 !! , will the recent history destroy investors hard earned on this pup once again or will the management load up with millions of options ?

And will there be a 1.10 bonus issue followed by a 1.10 cash issue? LOL

[kiwidollabill]

Just looked at ASX:MVT, can someone educate me at what the hell happened in late 2010? Did they have massive write down, or dilute the stock pool?

[percy]

Just looked at ASX:MVT, can someone educate me at what the hell happened in late 2010? Did they have massive write down, or dilute the stock pool?

Go to www.stocknessmonster.com
type in MVT,then news,then go to right hand side and hit 2010,and that years news comes up/
You will see they returned 90% of the NTA to shareholders with a return of capital.
I think then Sir Ron really brought it as a backdoor listing,then backed his holdings into it.
It is interesting to note MVT's largest holding is INA.There is an INA thread on the ASX section here on sharetrader,so you can read up on it.They are buying holiday parks,and putting on relocatable houses for retirees.Simon Owen ran the very successful retirement village operator Aveum for a number of years.

[stoploss]

Warren Buffet has a succession plan does Ron ? Something to consider ........

[kiwidollabill]

Go to www.stocknessmonster.com (http://www.stocknessmonster.com)
type in MVT,then news,then go to right hand side and hit 2010,and that years news comes up/
You will see they returned 90% of the NTA to shareholders with a return of capital.
I think then Sir Ron really brought it as a backdoor listing,then backed his holdings into it.
It is interesting to note MVT's largest holding is INA.There is an INA thread on the ASX section here on sharetrader,so you can read up on it.They are buying holiday parks,and putting on relocatable houses for retirees.Simon Owen ran the very successful retirement village operator Aveum for a number of years.

Thanks for that and appreciate you response, that clears alot up. I did see the INA holding and have been taking a look over it all.

Interesting reading, unsure about buying though.

[percy]

Thanks for that and appreciate you response, that clears alot up. I did see the INA holding and have been taking a look over it all.

Interesting reading, unsure about buying though.

I used to hold INA.Brought in on KW's advice at about 7.5cents and sold out some time ago over 40 cents.I am not keen to buy back in, as the sp appears to have stalled.Possibly too many capital raisings.
MVT.I will leave for others.

[macduffy]

Warren Buffet has a succession plan does Ron ? Something to consider ........

Not a great comparison these days. Buffett will leave a lot to succeed to. Sir Ron? Not anymore. The days of easy pickings among listed companies with undervalued real property are long gone.

Disc: Did nicely from BIL, IEL and IEP. Not so well out of GPG.

[stoploss]

Not a great comparison these days. Buffett will leave a lot to succeed to. Sir Ron? Not anymore. The days of easy pickings among listed companies with undervalued real property are long gone.

Disc: Did nicely from BIL, IEL and IEP. Not so well out of GPG.

I was more aiming at the succession plan due to their respective ages , in no way trying to compare performance :)

[macduffy]

I was more aiming at the succession plan due to their respective ages , in no way trying to compare performance :)

Fair enough, stoploss. But ignoring respective performances, it's just that Sir Ron doesn't hold the big positions anymore - unlike Warren B.

[percy]

Well Danny boy keeps the Wisse Ariadne link strong,Gary's son,brother?Is he Sir Ron's god-son?
Still holding some of Gary's cousin's [Peter Wise] TAG,another serial under performer where directors have never suffered too many hardships.!!

[Crackity]

Well Danny boy keeps the Wisse Ariadne link strong,Gary's son,brother?Is he Sir Ron's god-son?
Still holding some of Gary's cousin's [Peter Wise] TAG,another serial under performer where directors have never suffered too many hardships.!!

Percy - you might need " share collector " after your member name like Mr Lizard!

[Major von Tempsky]

Not sure how MVT comes into the title but I can't resist making a post anyway :-)
I played soccer at Vic University with Gary and Johnny Weiss and if it's the right Peter Wise (who now lives in Australia) he was in my class at Wellington College. And of course Sir Ron was at Wellington College - but about 10 years before me.

Sir Ron fell prey to an old temptation which once undid me, you look at your stocks and one seems head and shoulders above the rest so you sell off those and end up with just one stock. Happened with BIL when he ended up totally in London hotels (Mt Charlotte was it called?) under the premise that entry was too hard and he had cornered the hotel market. So entrepreneurs bought and built London office blocks which they then converted to hotels. Fatal. He also failed to read Buffetology by Mary Buffett which identifies a number of types of problem stocks such as commodities. Coats, which is what Sir Ron totally ended up in was in making and selling thread, an obvious commodity. And a further warning to those keen on Air NZ, Buffettology warns to keep out of because the barriers to entering the industry are too low and the profits rapidly get competed away. Here endeth the lesson :-)

[stoploss]

Not sure how MVT comes into the title but I can't resist making a post anyway :-)
I played soccer at Vic University with Gary and Johnny Weiss and if it's the right Peter Wise (who now lives in Australia) he was in my class at Wellington College. And of course Sir Ron was at Wellington College - but about 10 years before me.

Sir Ron fell prey to an old temptation which once undid me, you look at your stocks and one seems head and shoulders above the rest so you sell off those and end up with just one stock. Happened with BIL when he ended up totally in London hotels (Mt Charlotte was it called?) under the premise that entry was too hard and he had cornered the hotel market. So entrepreneurs bought and built London office blocks which they then converted to hotels. Fatal. He also failed to read Buffetology by Mary Buffett which identifies a number of types of problem stocks such as commodities. Coats, which is what Sir Ron totally ended up in was in making and selling thread, an obvious commodity. And a further warning to those keen on Air NZ, Buffettology warns to keep out of because the barriers to entering the industry are too low and the profits rapidly get competed away. Here endeth the lesson :-)

The fatal error ( correct me if I am wrong ) he did his favourite trick of building a stake . UK takeover law a bit different to NZ . He purchased too many and was obliged to make an offer for the lot ...ended up with the whole lot , lock stock and barrel .Too big a position basically for BIL and acted as a anchor on performance just like Coats and GPG .....

[percy]

Percy - you might need " share collector " after your member name like Mr Lizard!

No,no, it is MVT still holding TAG.
I only held TAG for a decade.1986 to 1996.
Major.Never knew there was a Johnny.
Yes Peter Wise moved from Wellington to Australia.
TAG The Anthony Group owned Arnold and Wright who retailed lighting etc.
He tried listing clever options,based on BIL,and Ariadne.BIL-Link,ARI-Link.
Previously he {peter] lost a lot on a caravan manufacturing business.

[Balance]

Ron Brierley is like a retired champion boxer - keeps coming back into the ring for one final hurray. Given the declines of BIL and GPG, rather sad and tragic except it's the shareholders who end up getting battered, bruised, bloodied and knocked unconscious. Rather sobering to watch from the sidelines!

[percy]

Ron Brierley is like a retired champion boxer - keeps coming back into the ring for one final hurray. Given the declines of BIL and GPG, rather sad and tragic except it's the shareholders who end up getting battered, bruised, bloodied and knocked unconscious. Rather sobering to watch from the sidelines!

Welcome to sharetrader.
For a first post that was "right on the button."

[Balance]

Welcome to sharetrader.
For a first post that was "right on the button."

Thanks, Percy. I have owned BIL and GPG, made money, lost money and after their restructuring post Brierley's exit, recovered some of the losses. Has fond memories of him in his prime but he is now a sad corporate figure to watch. Certainly not someone I would back again but there may be just enough followers of his out there to invest in a few and flick to them at a profit?

[percy]

Thanks, Percy. I have owned BIL and GPG, made money, lost money and after their restructuring post Brierley's exit, recovered some of the losses. Has fond memories of him in his prime but he is now a sad corporate figure to watch. Certainly not someone I would back again but there may be just enough followers of his out there to invest in a few and flick to them at a profit?

I think it is great people with long memories/experiences take the time to warn others.

[Crackity]

I think it is great people with long memories/experiences take the time to warn others.

Careful Percy - we will be straying into a Chris Castle discussion soon.....

[percy]

Careful Percy - we will be straying into a Chris Castle discussion soon.....

Russell Coward,Bruce Judge,and others, plus Chris Castle, certainly came flashing back into my never again memory cells.!

[Crackity]

Russell Coward,Bruce Judge,and others, plus Chris Castle, certainly came flashing back into my never again memory cells.!

Russell Goward who would jog to work stopping off for a canoodle with his wife's sister on the way!

Oh the memories.....

[Crackity]

Russell Goward who would jog to work stopping off for a canoodle with his wife's sister on the way!

Oh the memories.....

I read that in a book by the man who started the Pierpont column.....

[percy]

Russell Goward who would jog to work stopping off for a canoodle with his wife's sister on the way!

Oh the memories.....

As my grandfather used to say "Go on."
And to think I thought he swung the other way.!!
All of a sudden this thread has come to life.!

[Crackity]

As my grandfather used to say "Go on."
And to think I thought he swung the other way.!!
All of a sudden this thread has come to life.!

The Bold Riders by Trevor Sykes - published 1994 - If your Christchurch library is still in ruins PM me and I will scan the relevant chapter - a recommended read!

[Snow Leopard]

Having a busy day:

1/ - Intention to make takeover offer for the remains of the old Kirkaldie and Stains (https://nzx.com/files/attachments/241093.pdf);

2/ - Takeover offer for ASX listed Richfield International (https://nzx.com/files/attachments/241124.pdf).

Best Wishes
Paper Tiger

[moimoi]

Paper Tiger are you the venerable Mr Brierley.....? ;-) ;-)

[Snow Leopard]

Paper Tiger are you the venerable Mr Brierley.....? ;-) ;-)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/22/1416688354914_Image_galleryImage_Film_You_Only_Liv e_Twice_.JPG
Ron & Me plotting to takeover the World:
One company at a time.

Best Wishes
Paper Tiger

[GTM 3442]

So good old Sir Ron's at it again! I'd entirely missed it!

Persistence must pay off one day, surely. Third time lucky?

[kizame]

So good old Sir Ron's at it again! I'd entirely missed it!

Persistence must pay off one day, surely. Third time lucky?

I think for him it paid off many times over. All just a big exciting game to him,although he NEVER looks excited by anything.
Good on him,it makes life more interesting.

[Balance]

I think for him it paid off many times over. All just a big exciting game to him,although he NEVER looks excited by anything.
Good on him,it makes life more interesting.

Ron Brierley - the ultimate breeder of corporate fat cats.

Nothing excites him more than to see his fat cats lap up the milk and cream he squeezes out of his followers.

[Balance]

I think for him it paid off many times over. All just a big exciting game to him,although he NEVER looks excited by anything.
Good on him,it makes life more interesting.


Ron Brierley - the ultimate breeder of corporate fat cats.

Nothing excites him more than to see his fat cats lap up the milk and cream he squeezes out of his followers.

Seems like there are other things which excites this breeder of fat cats.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12294884

New Zealand businessman Sir Ron Brierley has been arrested and charged for alleged possession of child pornography on his computer.

The 82-year-old was arrested at Sydney Airport on Tuesday as he was about to board a plane to Fiji, according to a statement by NSW Police.

"Police have been investigating the matter since August this year and he has been charged with six counts relating possession of child pornography.

"The contents of his laptop and electronic storage devices were reviewed, which are alleged to have contained large amounts of child abuse material," NSW Police said.

[bull....]

looks like sir ron liked mighty fine ladies too , the photo looks like it

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118289367/reports-businessman-over-possession-of-child-porn

[RTM]

Well...that's a very sad end. Very sad.

[Lola]

Well...that's a very sad end. Very sad.

Agree; why on earth can his name be published so off the bat when we cannot identify Grace Millanes killer even though its " out there". ? Let alone the "alleged killer", now thats a joke, of the Mulsims in ChCH earlier this year... this is very unfair on Sir Ron Brierley. Who knows what the facts are here? Winston where are you? You love to discuss facts.

[Snoopy]

... this is very unfair on Sir Ron Brierley. Who knows what the facts are here? Winston where are you? You love to discuss facts.


Yes indeed. There could be some very red faced Aussie coppers when Sir Ron's child exploitation stash is revealed as his complete collection of Hallenstein Glasson Annual Reports! Let's give the law the chance to run its course rather than trial by rumour mill.

SNOOPY

[Balance]

Yes indeed. There could be some very red faced Aussie coppers when Sir Ron's child exploitation stash is revealed as his complete collection of Hallenstein Glasson Annual Reports! Let's give the law the chance to run its course rather than trial by rumour mill.

SNOOPY

What trial by rumour mill?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12295067

This is all over the Australian media with definitive details of how he was caught and charged!

Caught with over 200,000 images (200k) & videos of child exploitation and abuse, under surveillance since August after tip-off and bailed under strict conditions to appear in court in Feb 2020.

This is what all ‘respectable’ figures can expect when they are involved in and get caught with child exploitation.

Nothing more despicable and repugnant.

[Balance]

Agree; why on earth can his name be published so off the bat when we cannot identify Grace Millanes killer even though its " out there". ? Let alone the "alleged killer", now thats a joke, of the Mulsims in ChCH earlier this year... this is very unfair on Sir Ron Brierley. Who knows what the facts are here? Winston where are you? You love to discuss facts.

Crime was committed by him in Australia, not NZ.

He has not been granted name suppression, presumably because the crime is so repugnant and disgusting.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/former-corporate-raider-charged-with-child-porn-offences-20191218-p53l0b.html

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/12/sir-ron-brierley-hides-in-sydney-mansion-amid-child-pornography-charges.html

Public has a right to know as people like him pose a danger to children out there. If you were a member of the Australian cricket fraternity, would you not want to be aware so your young children are not in his company?

[Balance]

So Ron loved visiting Thailand way back in the 70s and 80s to enjoy female company - teenage prostitutes.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/405806/former-associates-reflect-on-sir-ron-brierley-after-he-was-charged-with-possessing-child-abuse-material

Except : "In her 1990 biography Brierley, the Man Behind the Corporate Legend, Yvonne van Dongen wrote that he frequently travelled to Asia - mostly to Thailand - where he enjoyed encounters with young women - often teenage prostitutes.

"Brierley seems completely comfortable with this aspect of his life and showed no signs of embarrassment when teased about his frequent trips to Thailand," the book says.

"'You know how I like to visit the Buddhist temples', he told me with a knowing smile."

In light of this, Ms van Dongen told RNZ that his arrest came as no surprise to her."

[RTM]

So Ron loved visiting Thailand way back in the 70s and 80s to enjoy female company - teenage prostitutes.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/405806/former-associates-reflect-on-sir-ron-brierley-after-he-was-charged-with-possessing-child-abuse-material

Except : "In her 1990 biography Brierley, the Man Behind the Corporate Legend, Yvonne van Dongen wrote that he frequently travelled to Asia - mostly to Thailand - where he enjoyed encounters with young women - often teenage prostitutes.

"Brierley seems completely comfortable with this aspect of his life and showed no signs of embarrassment when teased about his frequent trips to Thailand," the book says.

"'You know how I like to visit the Buddhist temples', he told me with a knowing smile."

In light of this, Ms van Dongen told RNZ that his arrest came as no surprise to her."

I wish I could put this thread on ignore.

[Balance]

I wish I could put this thread on ignore.

This is serious stuff, RTM.

If I had read the book, I would certainly have been even more critical than I have been of Ron's propensity to breed fat cats - in BIL, GPG and if he had half a chance, MVT.

His attention was clearly elsewhere - a sick mind does not make for good investment decisions.


Note to self - pay more attention to biographies & autobiographies of corporate leaders in future before investing or evaluating investments.

[winner69]

Sounds like Ron got his stamp collection mixed up with his other collection ....digitalization is fraught with danger

[percy]

This is serious stuff, RTM.

If I had read the book, I would certainly have been even more critical than I have been of Ron's propensity to breed fat cats - in BIL, GPG and if he had half a chance, MVT.

His attention was clearly elsewhere - a sick mind does not make for good investment decisions.


Note to self - pay more attention to biographies & autobiographies of corporate leaders in future before investing or evaluating investments.

I read the book.
Then over the years there were further cryptic clues that he had issues.
So no surprises there.

[Balance]

I read the book.
Then over the years there were further cryptic clues that he had issues.

And here’s the huge problem - any profile person in a leadership role with an unsavoury background (unknown to the general public but known to a selected few) is extremely vulnerable to blackmail and pressure to act in interests of the selected few & his own interest.

[bull....]

Sir Ron Brierley enjoyed sex with teenage prostitutes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118324513/sir-ron-brierley-enjoyed-sex-with-teenage-prostitutes

[percy]

Sir Ron Brierley enjoyed sex with teenage prostitutes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118324513/sir-ron-brierley-enjoyed-sex-with-teenage-prostitutes

With what we know now,200,000 images and 512 video of "Child porn" we can understand why he was happy with the "sex with teenage prostitutes" comment.
Google Prostitution Thailand and note the serious problem with underage sex tourism.
A seriously sick mind.

[Snoopy]

With what we know now,200,000 images and 512 video of "Child porn" we can understand why he was happy with the "sex with teenage prostitutes" comment.
Google Prostitution Thailand and note the serious problem with underage sex tourism.
A seriously sick mind.


No-one can condone the exploitation of underage children in whatever country for the sexual gratification of old white men. And if the tip off from the public has come from Brierley's biographer via a book published thirty years ago, the police have certainly been tardy to act. But let's look at the facts here.

Brierley may indeed be a devout buddist. It was the author of the book who put her own interpretation on his comments on visiting buddist temples. Counter to that argument would be that most devout buddists eschew the trappings of wealth. But wealth is a relative term. Brierley was in his heyday generous with sharing his wealth with others (160,000+ shareholders). Relative to the really wealthy, like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, you could argue that Brierley is in fact a pauper.

Underage prostitution may be a problem in Thailand. But there is no evidence that Sir Ron participated in this more unsavoury side of the business. He may have engaged with 'of age' prostitutes in a perfectly legal way. Behaving in way that public perception might see as unsavoury does not make Brierley a criminal.

As for those thousands of porn photographs on his computer, they could be multiple copies from his Hallenstein Glasson annual report collection ready to hand out to participants in an investment seminar he was organising in Fiji.

I am not condoning Brierley if he is eventually found guilty. But to try him and convict him by media before he is even officially named in the Australian courts as a defendant is I think going too far. I am suggesting there could still be legitimate explanations for the facts as published by the media.

SNOOPY

[blackcap]

No-one can condone the exploitation of underage children in whatever country for the sexual gratification of old white men. And if the tip off from the public has come from Brierley's biographer of thirty years ago, the police have certainly been tardy to act. But let's look at the facts here.

Brierley may indeed be a devout buddist. It was the author of the book who put her own interpretation on his comments on visiting buddist temples. Counter to that argument would be that most devout buddists eschew the trappings of wealth. But wealth is a relative term. Brierley was in his heyday generous with sharing his wealth with others (160,000+ shareholders). Relative to the really wealthy, like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, you could argue that Brierley is in fact a pauper.

Underage prostitution may be a problem in Thailand. But there is no evidence that Sir Ron participated in this more unsavoury side of the business. He may have engaged with of age prostitutes in a perfectly legal way.

What does "white" men have anything to do with it? I know plenty of old "black" men or other colour of men that engage in child exploitation. Lets leave colourout of it and just say for the gratification of men.
It is a sad end for a man I once admired in my teens. I wonder if he will go down the Epstein route as it is not fun having to contemplate dying in jail if that is where he is headed if found guilty.

[bull....]

ive been to thailand and had a massage ( non sex ) and know plenty of people who have done the same and it is not uncommon too have 200+ women with numbers paraded in front of you so you can choose which one you want too give the massage. some people can easliy be confused with innocent acts just because it was in thailand.

[Balance]

ive been to thailand and had a massage ( non sex ) and know plenty of people who have done the same and it is not uncommon too have 200+ women with numbers paraded in front of you so you can choose which one you want too give the massage. some people can easliy be confused with innocent acts just because it was in thailand.

Nothing innocent about having 200,000+ images and videos of under-age/children being exploited for sex.

[bull....]

Nothing innocent about having 200,000+ images and videos of under-age/children being exploited for sex.

correct but in NZ your innocent until proven guilty

[Balance]

People are not what they seem until they get caught or something unfortunate happens.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10826783

Must be something in the water they drink at the Brierley Investment office back in those days?

Model citizen, keen churchgoer and successful business driven family man by day with no-one suspecting that Herman kept 5 mobile phones so that he could indulge in his other activities - which tragically got him killed when he tried to get a freebie. All the wealth in the world and he wanted a freebie.

[Balance]

correct but in NZ your innocent until proven guilty

Again, he was charged in Australia and he did not have name suppression.

All children anywhere in the world are entitled to be protected from sex-predators and Ron Brierley is no different from any other predator.

Once the court is satisfied that he poses a danger to underage/children out there - hence the strict bail conditions and non-name suppression.

Too often, the rich and famous get name suppression (especially in NZ) but in Australia, they throw the book at underage/child sex exploitation.

[bull....]

Again, he was charged in Australia and he did not have name suppression.

All children anywhere in the world are entitled to be protected from sex-predators and Ron Brierley is no different from any other predator.

Once the court is satisfied that he poses a danger to underage/children out there - hence the strict bail conditions and non-name suppression.

Too often, the rich and famous get name suppression (especially in NZ) but in Australia, they throw the book at underage/child sex exploitation.

guess im meaning i wont pass judgement until all the facts are known and they are proven in a court of law. too much fake news nowadays to pass judgement on whats written in the media


how do we know it was not plant by a disgruntled business person? just saying we dont know exact facts from the sidelines

[Balance]

guess im meaning i wont pass judgement until all the facts are known and they are proven in a court of law. too much fake news nowadays to pass judgement on whats written in the media


Would you be comfortable to leave a young child in the company of Ron? Especially when she or he is of your family?

That is the critical issue which seems to be missed by those jumping to the defense of Ron.

[bull....]

Would you be comfortable to leave a young child in the company of Ron? Especially when she or he is of your family?

That is the critical issue which seems to be missed by those jumping to the defense of Ron.

if i knew him really well then i could pass judgement but i dont know him so im not going to suppose what i would do. i would not leave kids with a stranger thats for sure

[Balance]

No-one can condone the exploitation of underage children in whatever country for the sexual gratification of old white men. And if the tip off from the public has come from Brierley's biographer via a book published thirty years ago, the police have certainly been tardy to act. But let's look at the facts here.

Brierley may indeed be a devout buddist. It was the author of the book who put her own interpretation on his comments on visiting buddist temples. Counter to that argument would be that most devout buddists eschew the trappings of wealth. But wealth is a relative term. Brierley was in his heyday generous with sharing his wealth with others (160,000+ shareholders). Relative to the really wealthy, like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, you could argue that Brierley is in fact a pauper.

Underage prostitution may be a problem in Thailand. But there is no evidence that Sir Ron participated in this more unsavoury side of the business. He may have engaged with 'of age' prostitutes in a perfectly legal way. Behaving in way that public perception might see as unsavoury does not make Brierley a criminal.

As for those thousands of porn photographs on his computer, they could be multiple copies from his Hallenstein Glasson annual report collection ready to hand out to participants in an investment seminar he was organising in Fiji.

I am not condoning Brierley if he is eventually found guilty. But to try him and convict him by media before he is even officially named in the Australian courts as a defendant is I think going too far. I am suggesting there could still be legitimate explanations for the facts as published by the media.

SNOOPY

Multiple copies of HLG's annual report collection - you make light, Snoopy, of something extremely serious, immoral, repugnant and disgusting - the sexual exploitation of underage/child.

You are scrapping at the bottom of the sewage pond to come out with insulting excuses (especially to the exploited children) like those.

He has no name suppression - that's how serious the judge and court viewed the images and videos he had in his possession.

And remember he had been under surveillance for 4 months and they knew his modus operandi by the time they stopped him at Sydney airport.

[Balance]

if i knew him really well then i could pass judgement but i dont know him so im not going to suppose what i would do. i would not leave kids with a stranger thats for sure

You ignore the fact that there are many who know Ron and who have young children.

What part of child protection do you not get?

[Snoopy]

Multiple copies of HLG's annual report collection - you make light, Snoopy, of something extremely serious, immoral, repugnant and disgusting - the sexual exploitation of underage/child.

You are digging really at the bottom of the sewage pond to some out with excuses like those.


Child abuse, or more succinctly being in the position of having pictures of what the Australian Authorities deem as child abuse is illegal. But being 'immoral' 'repugnant' and 'disgusting' are qualities that are not illegal in themselves. These are terms that you have introduced Balance, to sway readers to your own viewpoint. They may be valid descriptions of your own emotions. But rest assured Brierley will not be charged for being 'immoral', 'disgusting' or 'repugnant'.

The police aren't as definitive in their view as you are Balance, either.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12295088

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The contents of his laptop and electronic storage devices were reviewed, which are alleged to have contained large amounts of child abuse material," NSW Police said in a statement.

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The police have not convicted Brierley yet, and they are being sensibly measured in disclosing what they found. The police would not have arrested him if they didn't think they had a case. But the mere fact of the police bringing a case does not imply guilt. As I said in my previous post, I do not condone child abuse in any form. And if Brierley is found guilty I will be quick to condemn him. But so far you have only heard the police side of the case - not Brierley's.




He has no name suppression - that's how serious the judge and court viewed the images and videos he had in his possession.


IIRC the police only said that an 82 year old member of the public living in an exclusive suburb has been arrested at Sydney Airport on the way to Fiji on suspicion of possessing offensive material. It was the public and journalists that joined the dots and figured out it was Brierley. I think the name had escaped into the wild before there was any chance to even consider name suppression.



And remember he had been under surveillance for 4 months and they knew his modus operandi by the time they stopped him at Sydney airport.


If the authorities knew Brierley's modus operandi, wouldn't they have just gone to his house and arrested him and executed a search warrant? The anti-terrorism laws at airports might have given the police a legitimate chance to inspect his electronic devices in what was up to the point of laptop inspection a 'fishing expedition'.

SNOOPY

[Balance]

Child abuse, or more succinctly having pictures of what the Australian Authorities deem as child abuse is illegal. But being 'immoral' 'repugnant' and 'disgusting' are qualities that are not illegal in themselves. These are terms that you have introduced Balance,to sway readers to your own viewpoint. They may be valid descriptions of your own emotions. But rest assured Brierley will not be charged for being 'immoral', 'disgusting' or 'repugnant'.

The police aren't as definitive in their view as you are Balance, either.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12295088

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The contents of his laptop and electronic storage devices were reviewed, which are alleged to have contained large amounts of child abuse material," NSW Police said in a statement.

-----

The police have not convicted Brierley yet, and they are being sensibly measured in disclosing what they found. The police would not have arrested him if they didn't think they had a case. But the mere fact of the police bringing a case does not imply guilt. As I said in my previous post, I do not condone child abuse in any form. And if Brierley is found guilty I will be quick to condemn him. But so far you have only heard the police side of the case - not Brierley's.




IIRC the police only said that an 82 year old member of the public living in an exclusive suburb has been arrested at Sydney Airport on the way to Fiji on suspicion of possessing offensive material. It was the public and journalists that joined the dots and<script src="https://adservice.google.co.nz/adsid/integrator.sync.js?domain=www.sharetrader.co.nz" ></script><script >processGoogleTokenSync({"newToken":"FBS"},5);</script> figured out it was Brierley. I think the name had escaped into the wild before there was any chance to even consider name suppression.



If the authorities knew Brierley's modus operandi, wouldn't they have just gone to his house and arrested him and executed a search warrant? The anti-terrorism laws at airports might have given the police a legitimate chance to inspect his computer in what was up to the point of laptop inspection a 'fishing expedition'.

SNOOPY

1. Your understanding of how legal jargon works - 'alleged'. That's legal language journalists have to use for 'guilty until proven innocent.' A lot easier to use the word 'alleged' as it's an easy out for the reporters. They can actually use "the police charged Ron with possession of child abuse and exploitation material' but the editors always put in the alleged as a failsafe against law suits.

Check with your local reporter.

2. Repugnant, immoral and disgusting are several of the many reasons why child exploitation has been outlawed. You may think it's not so and that's your right but most of us think so.

3. From one of the reporters - the police did not have enough to go on to get an order to raid Ron's house after placing him under surveillance. So being smart and diligent, they used their legal power to inspect his laptop and mobile when he was departing the country. They were right and they got him. Judge agreed and placed Ron under strict bail conditions. Judge also authorized a raid on his house.

"A subsequent search of Brierley's Point Piper home in Sydney's eastern suburbs allegedly yielded further electronic items that will undergo investigation."

The Australian police followed proper procedures and they have convinced the judge.

4. Ron may be rich, powerful and thought he was immune from the laws of ordinary folks - he is finding out and will find out even more in Feb 2020 that's not the case in Australia.

5. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12295088

Which part of 'arrested and charged' do you not understand?

6. Name suppression is usually requested and granted at the first hearing. Why did Ron not asked for name suppression? More likely he asked but it was refused.

[Snoopy]

I honestly don't even know where to start to correct you so let's leave it at :

1. Your understanding of how legal jargon works - 'alleged'.


An alleged offender is not a guilty offender



2. Repugnant, immoral and disgusting are several of the many reasons why child exploitation has been outlawed. You may think it's not so and that's your right.


I thought that child exploitation had been outlawed because it was harmful to the child! Feeling repugnant, immoral and disgusting are natural human reactions when hearing about child exploitation. I am not saying you or anyone else are wrong for feeling those. But a person being repugnant, immoral and disgusting in someone's view is not a crime in itself.

SNOOPY

[Balance]

An alleged offender is not a guilty offender



I thought that child exploitation had been outlawed because it was harmful to the child! Feeling repugnant, immoral and disgusting are natural human reactions when hearing about child exploitation. I am not saying you or anyone else are wrong for feeling those. But a person being repugnant, immoral and disgusting in someone's view is not a crime in itself.

SNOOPY

Only in NZ, Snoopy where it's okay to allow child killers to escape jail because the law allows witnesses the right to remain silent.

Great, isn't it?

[Snoopy]

Only in NZ, Snoopy where it's okay to allow child killers to escape jail because the law allows witnesses the right to remain silent.

Great, isn't it?


Are you implying that Brierley may be implicated in child killing because you judge him to be repugnant, immoral and disgusting, just like a couple of parents who got away with killing their child because they were repugnant, immoral and disgusting? That is too long a bow to draw surely?

The law isn't perfect Balance. Some guilty people do get off. But that is probably a better balance (sic) to strike than requiring less evidence and, as a consequence, imprisoning people who didn't do the crime.

SNOOPY

[Balance]

Are you implying that Brierley may be implicated in child killing because you judge him to be repugnant, immoral and disgusting, just like a couple of parents who got away with killing their child because they were repugnant, immoral and disgusting? That is too long a bow to draw surely?

The law isn't perfect Balance. Some guilty people do get off. But that is probably a better balance (sic) to strike than requiring less evidence and, as a consequence, imprisoning people who didn't do the crime.

SNOOPY

Nope.

Just as I do not attempt to trivialise 200,000+ child abuse images & videos with multiple copies of some company annual reports.

Now that is to me repugnant & disgusting but not illegal.

[Snoopy]

Nope.

Just as I do not attempt to trivialise 200,000+ child abuse images & videos with multiple copies of some company annual reports.

Now that is to me repugnant & disgusting but not illegal.


You haven't seen these images on Brierley's computer and neither have I. What a child abuse image is might be obvious, or it might be in a grey area where an overzealous law enforcement officer made their own judgement that the image was underage or abusive. I don't think having multiple copies of something somehow makes it less bad either. Multiple copies might imply an intention to distribute, which I at least would see as a worse sin than having the same number of single images (Not that either option is good).

I suppose you think that someone has gone through all 200,000+ of those images just to check that they are all in fact distinct and abusive Balance?

SNOOPY

[macduffy]

How about moving this topic from the NZX forum to that for Off Market matters?

[Balance]

https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/from-axes-to-grind-to-grief-the-response-to-brierley-s-arrest-was-heartfelt-20191220-p53lti.html

[Marilyn Munroe]

A good thing Sir Ron is not going to tried before a jury of New Zealand taxpayers. They may not be able to separate their bad memories about the damage to their wallets from the BNZ, Air New Zealand bailouts and the evidence placed before them at a trial.

Boop boop de do
Marilyn

[Balance]

A good thing Sir Ron is not going to tried before a jury of New Zealand taxpayers. They may not be able to separate their bad memories about the damage to their wallets from the BNZ, Air New Zealand bailouts and the evidence placed before them at a trial.

Boop boop de do
Marilyn

He rode the 1980s sharemarket bubble better than anyone else (Equiticorp, Chase but to name 2).

When the crash came, BIL survived not because of Ron but because his underlings wrested control from him and aggressively sold assets.

He had enough followers to set up GPG and proved conclusively with GPG that he is the ultimate breeder of fat cats.

Now we know he also had other things in his mind and has been collecting other things besides stamps.

[Balance]

Disturbing details on multi-millionaire Sir Ron Brierley’s child porn charges

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/disturbing-details-on-multimillionaire-sir-ron-brierleys-child-porn-charges/news-story/8ced880cc91b23bc0dd486f6077d6575

"Court documents seen by news.com.au reveal charges against the 82-year-old include possessing images and videos allegedly of “young girls aged between approximately two years to 15 years in sexually suggestive poses. Two of the six counts of possess child abuse material Sir Ron is charged with are “typed stories that spoke of the rape of children”.

[Lola]

He rode the 1980s sharemarket bubble better than anyone else (Equiticorp, Chase but to name 2).

When the crash came, BIL survived not because of Ron but because his underlings wrested control from him and aggressively sold assets.

He had enough followers to set up GPG and proved conclusively with GPG that he is the ultimate breeder of fat cats.

Now we know he also had other things in his mind and has been collecting other things besides stamps.


You really are a know all arent you. Lets wait and see how things come down the pipe once the facts are known.

[Balance]

You really are a know all arent you. Lets wait and see how things come down the pipe once the facts are known.

The charges of possession of child pornography and exploitation (rape) are as laid out in the charge sheet. You have a problem with the charges, go and complain to the Oz police.

[Lola]

The charges of possession of child pornography and exploitation (rape) are as laid out in the charge sheet. You have a problem with the charges, go and complain to the Oz police.

No, its you thats my problem, or at least your know all attitude to most things . This is an example. Charges are one thing . Innocent until proven otherwise , dear old thing. Just might be another underarm incident to add to our loving relationship with those convict descendents perhaps.?

[Balance]

No, its you thats my problem, or at least your know all attitude to most things . This is an example. Charges are one thing . Innocent until proven otherwise , dear old thing. Just might be another underarm incident to add to our loving relationship with those convict descendents perhaps.?

And did I post anything other than what the charges were in the news?

Seems like you prefer to take the side of the alleged paedophiles & child abusers than the 2 to 15 years old who have been victimized and damaged irreparably by the likes of the accused Ron Brierley?

[Lola]

And did I post anything other than what the charges were in the news?

Seems like you prefer to take the side of the alleged paedophiles & child abusers than the 2 to 15 years old who have been victimized and damaged irreparably by the likes of the accused Ron Brierley?

Look here, and this is my last post on this or in fact to you, but that comment is distasteful and ignorant. I ask you, but dont please answer, just think about it : "Have you ever had one of your devices hacked or interferred with by outside parties?"

[Balance]

Look here, and this is my last post on this or in fact to you, but that comment is distasteful and ignorant. I ask you, but dont please answer, just think about it : "Have you ever had one of your devices hacked or interferred with by outside parties?"

No - and it is a long long bow to draw about it being the case with Ron Brierley as he was under surveillance for over 4 months before they nabbed him.

Like I wrote, if you consider posting what is reported in the media as inappropriate regarding very very serious charges re the most repugnant and exploitative of crimes against 2 years old to 15 years old by Ron Brierley, by all means complain to the Oz police and the courts.

You 'inventing' possible excuses for him does not cut it with some of us.

[Snoopy]

Look here, and this is my last post on this or in fact to you, but that comment is distasteful and ignorant. I ask you, but dont please answer, just think about it : "Have you ever had one of your devices hacked or interferred with by outside parties?"


Exactly. The devout Buddhist has indicated through his lawyer that he will plead not guilty. And there is little doubt he has left a trail of 'hacked off' people, targets of the old BIL bear, over his working life who are prime suspects to 'hack on' to a computer illiterate old pensioner. Let's let the legal system play out and see what happens.

SNOOPY

[Balance]

Exactly. The devout Buddhist has indicated through his lawyer that he will plead not guilty. And there is little doubt he has left a trail of 'hacked off' people, targets of the old BIL bear, over his working life who are prime suspects to 'hack on' to a computer illiterate old pensioner. Let's let the legal system play out and see what happens.

SNOOPY

Haha - even Madoff pleaded not guilty. Likewise the killer of Grace Millane.

Naive to expect anyone, especially one with A$200m at his disposal, to even contemplate pleading guilty.

[Balance]

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018733674/taskforce-ruru-the-fight-against-child-exploitation

This is how insidious online child exploitation is and how difficult it is for the police to fight this scourge on the young, vulnerable innocents.

It must be difficult - as long as the wealthy and well connected are able to escape scrutiny & investigations.

[Balance]

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/multimillionaire-sir-ron-brierley-to-plead-on-child-porn-charges-court-hears/news-story/988c0cad6d20031286e081fe33c91515

So many images (200,000) and videos (500) of child abuse that the police has only been able to go through half the evidence so far.

[winner69]

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/multimillionaire-sir-ron-brierley-to-plead-on-child-porn-charges-court-hears/news-story/988c0cad6d20031286e081fe33c91515

So many images (200,000) and videos (500) of child abuse that the police has only been able to go through half the evidence so far.

and most thought he was collecting stamps

[Baa_Baa]

and most thought he was collecting stamps

Disgusting, makes me feel sick to think this pervert has a title. Notwithstanding his rights for justice. Hard to comprehend how to feel for the victims, just makes me feel sad for them and powerless to make a difference. Children for god sakes. Hope they lock him up until he dies, sooner than later.

[RupertBear]

Disgusting, makes me feel sick to think this pervert has a title. Notwithstanding his rights for justice. Hard to comprehend how to feel for the victims, just makes me feel sad for them and powerless to make a difference. Children for god sakes. Hope they lock him up until he dies, sooner than later.

Agree 100% he is a perverted creep :t_down:

[Balance]

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/multimillionaire-sir-ron-brierley-to-plead-on-child-porn-charges-court-hears/news-story/988c0cad6d20031286e081fe33c91515

So many images (200,000) and videos (500) of child abuse that the police has only been able to go through half the evidence so far.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12354432

25,000 more child porn images found in Ron’s possession so police has been given more time to go through the evidence - case postponed to September.

Of particular concern :

“Police allege in court documents Brierley possessed photographs and videos of young girls aged between around 2 to 15 along with word documents of typed stories that spoke of the rape of children.“

Let’s hope that the police are able to track down the sources of the porn images, videos and stories - the children need to be rescued from the perverted exploitation.

[Balance]

Exactly. The devout Buddhist has indicated through his lawyer that he will plead not guilty. And there is little doubt he has left a trail of 'hacked off' people, targets of the old BIL bear, over his working life who are prime suspects to 'hack on' to a computer illiterate old pensioner. Let's let the legal system play out and see what happens.

SNOOPY


Look here, and this is my last post on this or in fact to you, but that comment is distasteful and ignorant. I ask you, but dont please answer, just think about it : "Have you ever had one of your devices hacked or interferred with by outside parties?"

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/sir-ron-brierley-pleads-guilty-to-possessing-child-sexual-abuse-material/L2UQFZ3YVHZ4KGRWPMFPUV3HS4/

The sicko fat cat breeder Brierley has pleaded guilty.

He also admits he had images of 2 years old in his possession.

Lola and Snoopy can now come up with more excuses why he pleaded guilty?

[stoploss]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/sir-ron-brierley-pleads-guilty-to-possessing-child-sexual-abuse-material/L2UQFZ3YVHZ4KGRWPMFPUV3HS4/

The sicko fat cat breeder Brierley has pleaded guilty.

He also admits he had images of 2 years old in his possession.

Lola and Snoopy can now come up with more excuses why he pleaded guilty?

Suppose the Aussies will be sending him home as well..... 501 and that's not the Brierley shareprice

[Getty]

I was going to post on Scumbag of the day, but you have woken this thread up.

His money still talked.

Only 3 charges instead of 17.

Must have been some plea bargaining.

[Snoopy]

The devout Buddhist has indicated through his lawyer that he will plead not guilty.





https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/sir-ron-brierley-pleads-guilty-to-possessing-child-sexual-abuse-material/L2UQFZ3YVHZ4KGRWPMFPUV3HS4/

The sicko fat cat breeder Brierley has pleaded guilty.

He also admits he had images of 2 years old in his possession.

Lola and Snoopy can now come up with more excuses why he pleaded guilty?


OK Balance, justice has been done, although I'd be keen to find out more about the 14 charges not brought to court. I guess you would consider that the wheels of justice would have been more speedy if they had just by passed the system and locked him up? Best to see the wheels run their course I think.

So what do you think my own penance should be for sticking up for the old codger before conviction? Do I give up[ cricket or give up stamp collecting? Or should I just go down to the R A Brierley playing field at Wellington College, and stamp all over it before leaving a signature deposit?

SNOOPY

[Snoopy]

Or should I just go down to the R A Brierley playing field at Wellington College, and stamp all over it before leaving a signature deposit?


Almost fell off my chair when planning out my next 'walk'. The ''R.A. Brierley Artificial Turf' at Wellington College! That seems a very appropriate memorial to the 'fake cover over the truths' that must have occurred. Thousands of future students could stamp on his turf forever. A 21st century version of 'stamp collecting'. What more fitting memorial could the man have?

SNOOPY

[nztx]

Almost fell off my chair when planning out my next 'walk'. The ''R.A. Brierley Artificial Turf' at Wellington College! That seems a very appropriate memorial to the 'fake cover over the truths' that must have occurred. Thousands of future students could stamp on his turf forever. A 21st century version of 'stamp collecting'. What more fitting memorial could the man have?

SNOOPY


Leave that Stamps alone will you .. the devious old sod has been busy collecting other things
quite evidently and obviously not been too clever about it and knowing where the line is .. ;)

Over the years however there are sports & other good causes which wouldn't be where they are today
without his financial support - despite all else, most would have to give credit for his generous
& unwaivering support of those causes..

[Balance]

Leave that Stamps alone will you .. the devious old sod has been busy collecting other things
quite evidently and obviously not been too clever about it and knowing where the line is .. ;)

Over the years however there are sports & other good causes which wouldn't be where they are today
without his financial support - despite all else, most would have to give credit for his generous
& unwaivering support of those causes..

Whatever good he did, pales into insignificance when you consider he committed the ultimate depravity - of supporting and paying for the exploitation, harm and unquestionably, destruction of defenseless and innocent children, as young as 2 years old.

He is beneath contempt.

I will spit on him if I see him anywhere in future.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/124727743/businessman-ron-brierley-from-rock-star-corporate-raider-to-contempt

“It’s hard to feel anything other than contempt for the actions to which Ron Brierley has pleaded guilty. That, and sorrow for the damage which must have been inflicted on the children involved.”

[Southern Lad]

Will Mr Brierley become the latest 501 deportee from Australia?

[Snoopy]

Will Mr Brierley become the latest 501 deportee from Australia?


Maximum sentence for his offending is ten years. If he is given a sentence of one year or more, I would say a ticket on Peter Dutton's Flight 501 'flying trashcan' from Australia looks inevitable.

SNOOPY

[Getty]

If we get the unvenerable gent back, hopefully he will spread some conscience money around, perhaps into children's causes.

[Greekwatchdog]

Seems like he may not be deported. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/why-ron-brierley-is-extremely-unlikely-to-be-deported-as-a-501-to-new-zealand/4IQ4TDJXSNXBEYTWAX3QKB4MWU/

[nztx]

Well .. the 83 Y/o must have been a dab hand on the electronic devices .. that's for sure.. ;)

but for sizeable collection suggested .. who planted it ? or put it on there ? ;)

If and if the entire real story has even come out .. at all .. ;)

Did the hired help have a major hand in this ? ;)

Most of a similar or younger vintage probably wouldn't know how to even switch a device on .. ;)

Now possession is one thing even if someone else put it there .. not even knowing probably
it's there even sees legal eagles throwing their hands up & spouting "guilty is easier"
when caught 'in possession'

Wonder if Old Ron still has most of his marbles or knows what's going on ? .. many at that age
possibly don't or would have already spent a year or two or far more in their rockers
contemplating the world passing before them .. ;)

[Ferg]

but for sizeable collection suggested .. who planted it ? or put it on there ? ;)

If and if the entire real story has even come out .. at all .. ;)

[snip]

Now possession is one thing even if someone else put it there .. not even knowing probably
it's there even sees legal eagles throwing their hands up & spouting "guilty is easier"
when caught 'in possession'

You raise a good point. I wonder how someone can amass such a quantity of material without external assistance. I'm not defending the man, but I wonder if he was part of a file sharing group but his equipment was not secure and was used by others for storing and / or transferring additional material of which he was not aware. Even the process of transferring files between devices can leave footprints. I imagine such as scenario is possible, but it is still inexcusable nonetheless.

[Balance]

You raise a good point. I wonder how someone can amass such a quantity of material without external assistance. I'm not defending the man, but I wonder if he was part of a file sharing group but his equipment was not secure and was used by others for storing and / or transferring additional material of which he was not aware. Even the process of transferring files between devices can leave footprints. I imagine such as scenario is possible, but it is still inexcusable nonetheless.

Inexcusable?

That's too mild a word to describe what Brierley has pleaded guilty to.

Even 10 images of exploited children, let alone 2 years old, are 10 too many.

[Ferg]

Inexcusable?

That's too mild a word to describe what Brierley has pleaded guilty to.
The word is entirely appropriate.

inexcusable
adjective
(of behavior) too bad to be accepted.

Source: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/inexcusable

[Lola]

The word is entirely appropriate.

inexcusable
adjective
(of behavior) too bad to be accepted.

Source: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/inexcusable


Absolutely correct. Balances gloating excitement over this issue is in itself obscene . There may still be a twist to this tale.

[Balance]

Absolutely correct. Balances gloating excitement over this issue is in itself obscene . There may still be a twist to this tale.

Only in your twisted mind, lola.

You are obviously still busy trying hard to come up with another excuse that Brierley is not guilty?

Advice to you - quit while you still have some credibility & moral decency left.


Look here, and this is my last post on this or in fact to you, but that comment is distasteful and ignorant. I ask you, but dont please answer, just think about it : "Have you ever had one of your devices hacked or interferred with by outside parties?"

[Rawz]

Inexcusable?

That's too mild a word to describe what Brierley has pleaded guilty to.

Even 10 images of exploited children, let alone 2 years old, are 10 too many.

100% Agree. Hope he gets what's coming to him in jail. The one good thing about the gangs, they sort out the child abusers

[Balance]

Too many years of breeding fat corporate cats in BIL & GPG have rotted his brains.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ron-brierley-child-sex-abuse-images-case-what-brierley-told-police-about-images-revealed/V6V5HWDCJ45QIPMBQV764FJTP4/

"He was asked how old they were and he said "perhaps 8 to 12" and said "some of them are much older". He said the girls in the images and videos varied from 10 to 17 years. He later said the youngest was "probably about 8" and the oldest "19 or 20".

"He said he had last looked at the images the night before and looked at them for 'recreation'. When asked 'was it for a sexual purpose?' he said 'no'. He said he downloaded the images because they 'looked interesting'."

[Balance]

Absolutely correct. Balances gloating excitement over this issue is in itself obscene . There may still be a twist to this tale.

This is the twist in the tale you are looking for, Lola?

"On one USB, police found "a Word document with writing detailing a sexual fantasy of sexually abusing an 11-year-old named Amanda and another document called "The Stepfather" detailing the sexual assault of a 9-year-old girl".

Or is it this one :

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ron-brierley-child-abuse-case-im-the-same-person-as-always/YXAML2KHFPPONFGL73WWITTW54/?ref=readmore

"Ironically, of course, I'm exactly the same person as I have always been."

These were the words of Ron Brierley - no knighthood now - just three months after his arrest for possession of child sex abuse material.

They came in an email to Wellington College, his old school and the object of his generosity for decades.

[Balance]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/126684525/inside-ron-brierleys-radical-fall-from-grace

So he has been collecting child sex & abuse materials his whole life. So much due those like lola trying to find excuses for Brierley’s repugnant & disgusting behaviour.