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tim23
12-08-2017, 07:06 PM
Hosking should not be moderating this show - its ridiculous that Nationals number 1 cheerleader should pretend to be impartial - not credible 40000 people agree too!

winner69
12-08-2017, 07:13 PM
Hosking should not be moderating this show - its ridiculous that Nationals number 1 cheerleader should pretend to be impartial - not credible 40000 people agree too!

Suppose not many will be bothered watching anyway so it doesn't really matter

Do they still worms or those funny meters telling us whose winning

tim23
12-08-2017, 07:18 PM
The worm won United Future about 7 seats as I recall about 2002?

Joshuatree
12-08-2017, 07:33 PM
Hosking should not be moderating this show - its ridiculous that Nationals number 1 cheerleader should pretend to be impartial - not credible 40000 people agree too!

What a set up. Oh well all the more power to Jacinda to show them both up.Looking forward to this; will be a decisive turning point imo.

Baa_Baa
12-08-2017, 07:58 PM
Hosking should not be moderating this show - its ridiculous that Nationals number 1 cheerleader should pretend to be impartial - not credible 40000 people agree too!

Farsical. Diminishes the whole thing, Hosking is all opinion, one sided at that. He's lost the power of independent broadcast journalism. Very poor decision to have him moderate the Leaders debate.

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777
12-08-2017, 08:30 PM
Having already made up my mind who to vote for I don't see the need to watch the debate. It is only put on for entertainment purposes. Besides I don't have a working TV so it makes it easy.

Joshuatree
12-08-2017, 08:59 PM
Wow you're a closed book 777 thats really sad.

minimoke
12-08-2017, 11:24 PM
Hosking should not be moderating this show - its ridiculous that Nationals number 1 cheerleader should pretend to be impartial - not credible 40000 people agree too!
So who else should do it. My vote would got to Sir Bob Jones

fungus pudding
13-08-2017, 06:35 AM
So who else should do it. My vote would got to Sir Bob Jones

Lockwood Smith. Quiz master of old so very used to TV. Extremely fair and super sharp speaker of the house, and will have his head around current politcal matters.

fungus pudding
13-08-2017, 06:38 AM
Wow you're a closed book 777 thats really sad.

I am quite sure that you also know who you are going to vote for, and in your case it's certainly sad.

777
13-08-2017, 08:18 AM
Wow you're a closed book 777 thats really sad.

No it's not sad. I can make my decision having watched the parties over the last 50 years. Sure changes have happened over the years but I take that into account.

fungus pudding
13-08-2017, 08:37 AM
No it's not sad. I can make my decision having watched the parties over the last 50 years. Sure changes have happened over the years but I take that into account.

No. You should be totally open minded, exactly like Joshua tree. LOL.

Joshuatree
13-08-2017, 09:15 AM
No it's not sad. I can make my decision having watched the parties over the last 50 years. Sure changes have happened over the years but I take that into account.

I ask you to just keep listening to all the parties policies and make your decision closer to the election when they've all been explained and debated clearly and take it into account then. Admire you not having a TV.:D

Joshuatree
13-08-2017, 09:16 AM
75,000 people and rising have voted against Hoskins taking the debate , vote folks for a fair debate. Head of TVNZ doesn't give a stuff saying a million viewers watched last time. Thats all that matters to him, but he did say he was keeping an open mind which means the more votes against this the better. We want an even playing field although I'm sure jacinda can deal to hoskings like she did to richardson.ZB also streaming it. Think hoskins should be dropkicked to North Korea where his bias will be more appreciated.

Joshuatree
13-08-2017, 09:23 AM
Farsical. Diminishes the whole thing, Hosking is all opinion, one sided at that. He's lost the power of independent broadcast journalism. Very poor decision to have him moderate the Leaders debate.

TVNZ: Remove Mike Hosking as presenter for 2017 Election Debates https://www.change.org/p/tvnz-remove-mike-hosking-as-presenter-for-2017-election-debates/w?source_location=stepper_psf

Remove Mike Hosking as election debate moderator https://www.change.org/p/tvnz-remove-mike-hosking-as-election-debate-moderator

Get Rid of Hosking

https://www.change.org/p/tvnz-get-rid-of-hosking-1347aa6d-8044-4a33-ba59-7fe0a5dba42b

Thanks baaBaa wasn't aware of this. Have voted for a fair debate and shared on facebook.

ratkin
13-08-2017, 11:20 AM
Why worry, any bias by Hosking would only backfire. Anyone being nasty to poor little Jucinda will meet the wrath of the people.
National will need to tread very carefully as any any attempt at negative campign tactics will fall flat this time round. They Cant even turn their guns on Winston.

777
13-08-2017, 11:25 AM
I ask you to just keep listening to all the parties policies and make your decision closer to the election when they've all been explained and debated clearly and take it into account then. Admire you not having a TV.:D

I have one but it needs fixing or replacing.

Joshuatree
13-08-2017, 12:17 PM
Why worry, any bias by Hosking would only backfire. Anyone being nasty to poor little Jucinda will meet the wrath of the people.
National will need to tread very carefully as any any attempt at negative campign tactics will fall flat this time round. They Cant even turn their guns on Winston.

Hoskings has been around the political traps for a long time ; used to report on it. He's very subtle and slippery; drops innuendos and normalises his opinion ,the self appointed spokesman for whats good for NZ (himself ). Often his last one liner is when he gives it all away e.g.,"we will see" in just the right tone.National have been very careful; hey they've got joyce to advise them and prob crosby/textor still .

iceman
13-08-2017, 01:22 PM
Many years ago I liked Hosking. Not any more. He is now more interested in being the news than reporting the news. I'd like Simon Dallow to moderate the Leaders Debate

tim23
13-08-2017, 03:05 PM
I'm confident Jacinda can handle herself but Hoskings attitude is that someone has to be the moderator so it may as well be me (actually I heard him say it the other day ) and that irks me - its time that his ego got the kicking it deserves Simon Dallow would be ideal

Why worry, any bias by Hosking would only backfire. Anyone being nasty to poor little Jucinda will meet the wrath of the people.
National will need to tread very carefully as any any attempt at negative campign tactics will fall flat this time round. They Cant even turn their guns on Winston.

hardt
14-08-2017, 06:00 AM
I'm confident Jacinda can handle herself but Hoskings attitude is that someone has to be the moderator so it may as well be me (actually I heard him say it the other day ) and that irks me - its time that his ego got the kicking it deserves Simon Dallow would be ideal

The current uproar is something that could possibly motivate Hosking to be a solid and fair moderator as opposed to the king insinuator with those heavily loaded questions that no one could possibly answer without looking somewhat awful on either end.

I think any biases in Hosking's moderation will completely backfire.

Agree with Simon Dallow being a good choice.

Baa_Baa
15-08-2017, 05:29 PM
https://www.change.org/p/tvnz-remove-mike-hosking-as-presenter-for-2017-election-debates

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Hosking must go! C'mon TVNZ, wake up to reality, Hosking is a one-eyed bigot and a terrible choice for the Leaders debate. Move on, get another moderator.

Joshuatree
15-08-2017, 08:56 PM
The problem is TV1 can't lose; their ratings will prob be even higher with this extra"publicity" so they can charge more for ads and hoskings can charge them more; thats all they care about; but hey if the numbers against him get up there who knows. I will be watching regardless and they know that:eek2:

tim23
16-08-2017, 06:34 PM
I just don't understand why TVNZ can't see how farcical it is to have this drongo moderate the debate - mind you this is the same channel that has an Australian cooking show on prime time TV imagine that happening in Australia?

minimoke
24-08-2017, 03:10 PM
So mike hosking reckons you can only vote for maori party if you are enrolled in maori electorate. Chur bro!

Joshuatree
24-08-2017, 06:06 PM
all they care about is ratings tim as well as being pro national imo.

minimoke
25-08-2017, 12:20 PM
Mike - the spade you are using is only digging a bigger hole.

The maori party is not an electorate party as you seem to think. They are a political party that is represented in parliament because they won an electorate.

You'll besaying the greens are only a party party next given they didnt win an electorate.

fungus pudding
25-08-2017, 02:09 PM
The current uproar is something that could possibly motivate Hosking to be a solid and fair moderator as opposed to the king insinuator with those heavily loaded questions that no one could possibly answer without looking somewhat awful on either end.

I think any biases in Hosking's moderation will completely backfire.

Agree with Simon Dallow being a good choice.

Simon Dallow stops at being a newsreader. I'd go for Lockjaw Smith. Years of TV experience, and a very succesful and totally impartial speaker in parliament, with an excellent understanding of all things poltical.

tim23
31-08-2017, 06:11 PM
Just switched over for a minute - Jacinda is doing well considering shes got 2 opponents - of course now Hosking is worried hes seen the latest 1 News poll out tonight

ratkin
31-08-2017, 06:17 PM
Jacinda's hairdresser has just added another few percent to nationals vote

ratkin
31-08-2017, 06:20 PM
Two against One, not a fair fight. Hosking every bit as bad as expected.
It supposed to be Jacinda debating with English, not Hosking Haranging Jacinda.

tim23
31-08-2017, 06:37 PM
Like I said hes seen poll result and hes hurting!

winner69
31-08-2017, 06:50 PM
Bill's very statesman like

tim23
31-08-2017, 06:55 PM
I think that means dull in todays language and he fits the bill nicely on that count.
Bill's very statesman like

hardt
31-08-2017, 06:56 PM
Two against One, not a fair fight. Hosking every bit as bad as expected.
It supposed to be Jacinda debating with English, not Hosking Haranging Jacinda.

I do believe Hosking has attacked open ended, non answers by both Jacinda and Bill...

Being in politics for a lifetime... I think Bill has maybe had way, way, way more practice at this kind of stuff

do you think your biases might have played a part in your analysis of the debate?

Additionally, Labour's policies in general have left more unanswered questions on the table ( mostly around fiscal responsibility and sustainability ) - as National maintain the same old same old "everything we are doing is perfect, nothing we do is wrong, NZ is amazing" ( understandably unpopular, boring ) approach.

discl: 4 beers in... voting ACT

elZorro
31-08-2017, 07:24 PM
I thought Jacinda did especially well in the closing bit of the debate, a good solid performance and not scary at all. Bill had his little final speech that he hadn't memorised, and on the campaign trail it's obvious who is right at home and who is looking shaky.

winner69
31-08-2017, 07:38 PM
Rugby on the other channel quite exciting

huxley
31-08-2017, 07:41 PM
What was with all the turmeric adverts!? :)

Jonboyz
31-08-2017, 08:03 PM
discl: 4 beers in... voting ACT

Arnold Rimmer

couta1
31-08-2017, 08:04 PM
Jacinda looked to be seeking Uncle Bill's attention a lot of the time, her inexperience stood out like p---holes in the snow.

tim23
31-08-2017, 08:37 PM
Herald panel had Jacinda winning though 3 to 1

fungus pudding
31-08-2017, 08:48 PM
I do believe Hosking has attacked open ended, non answers by both Jacinda and Bill...

Being in politics for a lifetime... I think Bill has maybe had way, way, way more practice at this kind of stuff

do you think your biases might have played a part in your analysis of the debate?

Additionally, Labour's policies in general have left more unanswered questions on the table ( mostly around fiscal responsibility and sustainability ) - as National maintain the same old same old "everything we are doing is perfect, nothing we do is wrong, NZ is amazing" ( understandably unpopular, boring ) approach.

discl: 4 beers in... voting ACT

Very sensible. Certainly Act has some excellent policies.

Joshuatree
31-08-2017, 08:57 PM
Great first debate for Jacinda . She was interrupted a lot by hosings and Bill but kept her cool and got her messages across. Maybe she can interrupt them back more next time , with her authenticness and passion not aggressively or rudely; just what a leader needs t do to correct things. Bill looked to have worked hard with his authority hand movements ala trump ,fake; it looked practiced and staged to me and one got the feeling that he didn't actually believe what he was saying. I saw his scalp slide back and forth when he thought he had a good answer to make a hit. Did they know the questions in advance?

Twenty years to fix a river went down like a lead balloon. Dead man walking:mellow:.

craic
31-08-2017, 09:02 PM
I wonder how Jacinda will go when she has Peters hand up her back working her jaw?

fungus pudding
31-08-2017, 09:06 PM
I wonder how Jacinda will go when she has Peters hand up her back working her jaw?
Just watched the Queenstown debate. Joyce, Robertson, Seymour and even Shaw all came across well. Peters was a flop. Well past his best.

iceman
31-08-2017, 09:56 PM
Two against One, not a fair fight. Hosking every bit as bad as expected.
It supposed to be Jacinda debating with English, not Hosking Haranging Jacinda.

ratkin I think you have prereceived ideas. Hoskings certainly did not do English any favours tonight.

Joshuatree
31-08-2017, 10:25 PM
Anyone added up the time given to each speaker?. I think Bill got more and Bill and hosings especially ,interrupted Jacinda at critical times. Hosings also talked too much; but its really all about him isn't it; its his show.

iceman
31-08-2017, 10:28 PM
What about the questions from "voters". ? All from Labour or Green supporters !!

minimoke
01-09-2017, 05:57 AM
Well, I missed it. Saw a bit of Hoskings on some show once and didn't like what I saw so never watched him or that show. I could have opened my mind but his Maori Party vote grandstanding put me off.

I will watch the next one. But essentially I see it as personality politics debate. Polices and philosophies of the two major parties so closely aligned you could stick the talking head on one or other and find it hard to tell the core difference. Shame I missed the minor party one - will have to hunt that out - that is probably where the interesting policy lies rather than the spend spend spend I'm currently seeing.

Jay
01-09-2017, 07:12 AM
Not sure how useful these debates are, certainly not around getting policy across, don't have time, someone always interrupts, one will say the opposite of the other, only get to see the personalities, but then you don't vote on personalities do we :ohmy:

I think quite a few do

fungus pudding
01-09-2017, 09:08 AM
Not sure how useful these debates are, certainly not around getting policy across, don't have time, someone always interrupts, one will say the opposite of the other, only get to see the personalities, but then you don't vote on personalities do we :ohmy:

I think quite a few do

The Queenstown finance debate was far more interesting. Worth watching.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/decision-17-livestream-the-asb-great-finance-debate.html

Jay
01-09-2017, 09:29 AM
So I heard FP

fungus pudding
01-09-2017, 09:35 AM
So I heard FP

You can watch it on that link I posted.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/decision-17-livestream-the-asb-great-finance-debate.html

It seems to take a minute before the video appears where it says 'watch it here'.

minimoke
05-09-2017, 06:15 AM
I've got last nights one on the TiVo and watched the first half. I think Bil English had it. Managed to deflect a few questions quite well. But he seemed to have a much better handle on the detail. I thought Jacinda was a bit thin on detail. Like after 9 years in opposition why don't they have a firm Policy on CGT and the other taxes which are going to be inevitable. Will try to get to the second half tonigth

fungus pudding
05-09-2017, 06:53 AM
I've got last nights one on the TiVo and watched the first half. I think Bil English had it. Managed to deflect a few questions quite well. But he seemed to have a much better handle on the detail. I thought Jacinda was a bit thin on detail. Like after 9 years in opposition why don't they have a firm Policy on CGT and the other taxes which are going to be inevitable. Will try to get to the second half tonigth

A bit thin on detail is an understatement. Like everything she was vague and not prepared to admit things e.g. the intoduction of CGT - she says she will wait for her report, but knows full well they will introduce it.

stoploss
05-09-2017, 07:23 AM
I've got last nights one on the TiVo and watched the first half. I think Bil English had it. Managed to deflect a few questions quite well. But he seemed to have a much better handle on the detail. I thought Jacinda was a bit thin on detail. Like after 9 years in opposition why don't they have a firm Policy on CGT and the other taxes which are going to be inevitable. Will try to get to the second half tonigth

Problem is 9 years and 5 ? different leaders , they all have a different direction ......but tax is one direction she appears to be clear on .....

Joshuatree
05-09-2017, 07:28 AM
No she doesn't.You are sounding scared again. What are you up to? Sensibly getting a report from the specialist brains in the business. Then make the best policies for all kiwis to close the gap somewhat. The rich have no need to worry as they will still be rich, but if you like the habit keep measuring the depth of your moat. Give a little and you will receive more back. Peoples homes are ring fenced, but most don't need or worry about moats with crocodiles in them:)

iceman
05-09-2017, 07:30 AM
Agree that Labour needs to come out and tell us about their policies in detail but I suspect they don't have any detail having spent their opposition years on infighting. I though Bill was particularly strong and passionate when talking about vulnerable children and his social investment approach, which by all accounts is delivering real results.

Joshuatree
05-09-2017, 07:53 AM
The audience warmed and responded to Jacinda way more with claps and laughter. For example "its a tunnel bill" in just the right tone bought hoots of laughter at bills Auckland fix.

Abortion; bill was embarrassing with no thought or care for women and the "crimes" they are forced to commit. scary how medieval he is.

Credibility .Most of the rest of bills fled last night with the big lie about a big hole. Theres the big hole in his credibility.Fake news ala trump.

"Who , what would you march in the street for, bill ,"myself", jacinda "homelessness". Thats a big reveal right there.

If you lose the election will you stay as leader, jacinda "yes". Deservedly so what a remarkable turnaround in labours fortunes. Bill "yes". You won't have choice bill you will be binned and its the 2nd time you've failed national.

What did bill call the multiple hundreds of temporary prefab classrooms "advanced learning centres' or something like that. :) etc etc. Now bill is trying to be far left far right and centre left and centre right; he's got all the bases covered; tui.

jonu
05-09-2017, 08:07 AM
Abortion; bill was embarrassing with no thought or care for women and the "crimes" they are forced to commit. scary how medieval he is.


There are plenty of us that you just labelled medieval. People who recognise abortion for what it is; the taking of a human life. Hopefully no one forces a woman to have an abortion (maybe the chinese government in years gone by.) There is no easy answer to an unwanted pregnancy. Oh wait, yes there is...kill it.

Joshuatree
05-09-2017, 08:09 AM
Yes not as bad as some places where the woman raped is forced to go and marry the rapist!

Joshuatree
05-09-2017, 08:22 AM
All Religions of the world sure have a lot to answer to.

winner69
05-09-2017, 03:37 PM
That debate last night was so depressing

Neither Jacinda or Bill seemed to have any answers how to fix these poverty / home affordability issues.

Might be a change in government but they'll be debating the same things in 2020

Bill might end up as a two time loser and Jacinda might end up as a one term disappointment

minimoke
05-09-2017, 03:55 PM
Neither Jacinda or Bill seemed to have any answers how to fix these poverty / home affordability issues.
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I am so over this home affordability nonsense.

Buying a home is not meant to be easy - its the single largest asset anyone will buy.

I know a couple late teens / early 20's. Works at k mart. Own their own home.

If you cant afford it in auckland dont make it the rest our problem

Bjauck
05-09-2017, 04:39 PM
I am so over this home affordability nonsense. ...
So you want to make renting a positive choice to live in a secure home? To make the decision to own your own home dependant on lifestyle (family or single, need to mobile or fixed to one area) rather than as the best way to accumulate wealth?
However, Yep it just won't go away.

minimoke
05-09-2017, 05:08 PM
So you want to make renting a positive choice to live in a secure home? .
Well, actually yes. It can make good economic sense

fungus pudding
05-09-2017, 05:26 PM
Well, actually yes. It can make good economic sense

It becomes inevitable in all large cities.

tim23
05-09-2017, 06:00 PM
Would like some more detail on this tall story working at K Mart - is one the CEO?
I am so over this home affordability nonsense.

Buying a home is not meant to be easy - its the single largest asset anyone will buy.

I know a couple late teens / early 20's. Works at k mart. Own their own home.

If you cant afford it in auckland dont make it the rest our problem

minimoke
05-09-2017, 06:25 PM
Would like some more detail on this tall story working at K Mart - is one the CEO?
No. Check out Chick, probably on the minimum wage or maybe a bit above. House is Dunedin. They don't smoke, don't drink. An unpretentious pair. Unlikely to know what a latte is. Hard workers, enjoy the out doors. Some old bomb of a car - but its reliable. Second hand stuff in the house. Probably enough NCEA credits to scrape trough year 11. Not a crime between the pair or their families. Solid as family support (but none financial). Salt of the earths - would do anything for you. Involved in sports since they were nippers and to a national competitive level. One comes from a split parents. Anything else you'd lie to know?

minimoke
05-09-2017, 06:27 PM
It becomes inevitable in all large cities.
I know. Why don't we go to London or Sydney and moan and winge and carry on about how our rights to an affordable house are being undermined and everyone should stick their hands in their pockets to help us into some new accommodation we can call our own!

tim23
05-09-2017, 06:35 PM
Thanks - so both minimum wage must have lived at home on the cheap? Clearly the exception - trouble is most young people want a bit more in the lives like going flatting and going out Friday night and why not?
Besides if everyone went without no need for K Mart!
I am so over this home affordability nonsense.

Buying a home is not meant to be easy - its the single largest asset anyone will buy.

I know a couple late teens / early 20's. Works at k mart. Own their own home.

If you cant afford it in auckland dont make it the rest our problem


No. Check out Chick, probably on the minimum wage or maybe a bit above. House is Dunedin. They don't smoke, don't drink. An unpretentious pair. Unlikely to know what a latte is. Hard workers, enjoy the out doors. Some old bomb of a car - but its reliable. Second hand stuff in the house. Probably enough NCEA credits to scrape trough year 11. Not a crime between the pair or their families. Solid as family support (but none financial). Salt of the earths - would do anything for you. Involved in sports since they were nippers and to a national competitive level. One comes from a split parents. Anything else you'd lie to know?

minimoke
05-09-2017, 06:42 PM
Thanks - so both minimum wage must have lived at home on the cheap? Clearly the exception - trouble is most young people want a bit more in the lives like going flatting and going out Friday night and why not?
!I have no problem at all with young people going out on Friday night. And Saturday and Sunday and Wednesday if they want. Jeez I sure did so why shouldn't others. But don't come whining when they find they don't have enough for a deposit.

couta1
05-09-2017, 07:28 PM
There are plenty of us that you just labelled medieval. People who recognise abortion for what it is; the taking of a human life. Hopefully no one forces a woman to have an abortion (maybe the chinese government in years gone by.) There is no easy answer to an unwanted pregnancy. Oh wait, yes there is...kill it. Couldn't agree more.

Joshuatree
05-09-2017, 07:33 PM
Its a womans right and choice most of the time .

couta1
05-09-2017, 07:37 PM
Its a womans right and choice most of the time . Correction, it's a woman's choice, not right. It's no one's right to take another life, no matter how young or old that life is.PS-I see you added the word choice after I posted.

Joshuatree
05-09-2017, 07:46 PM
Are you a woman couta ; have you got raped and impregnated; or impregnated accidentally?. If not its no business of yours ever.Apparently its possible for a male to be impregnated with an implant; maybe you should try it and report back your experience. Ps I'm so sorry to tell you i edited my post before i saw your holey one.

couta1
05-09-2017, 07:54 PM
Are you a woman couta ; have you got raped and impregnated; or impregnated accidentally?. If not its no business of yours ever.Apparently its possible for a male to be impregnated with an implant; maybe you should try it and report back your experience. Ps I'm so sorry to tell you i edited my post before i saw your holey one. Chucking in red herrings does nothing for your argument, the number of woman falling pregnant after being raped makes up a very tiny percentage of the total numbers of abortions.

777
05-09-2017, 07:56 PM
Are you a woman couta ; have you got raped and impregnated; or impregnated accidentally?. If not its no business of yours ever.Apparently its possible for a male to be impregnated with an implant; maybe you should try it and report back your experience. Ps I'm so sorry to tell you i edited my post before i saw your holey one.

Don't stop with editing that post JT, the last 100 or so are in need of correcting.

jonu
05-09-2017, 07:58 PM
Are you a woman couta ; have you got raped and impregnated; or impregnated accidentally?. If not its no business of yours ever.Apparently its possible for a male to be impregnated with an implant; maybe you should try it and report back your experience. Ps I'm so sorry to tell you i edited my post before i saw your holey one.

Is it none of my business when I see someone being beaten up in the street or do I step in and try and protect the victim?
The human life in its mothers womb is innocent of anything that put it there. It can't speak for itself. I feel obliged to defend a defenseless human being at its most vulnerable

Joshuatree
05-09-2017, 08:04 PM
So you must be the mother whose chosen to have the child, that is your choice.No one can disagree with that.

jonu
05-09-2017, 08:13 PM
So you must be the mother whose chosen to have the child, that is your choice.No one can disagree with that.

Hard to agree or disagree with a statement that doesn't make any sense

Joshuatree
05-09-2017, 08:24 PM
Makes perfect sense if you are a woman jonu.

BTW Do you support nationals behaviour in this election?

minimoke
05-09-2017, 08:28 PM
The human life in its mothers womb is innocent of anything that put it there. It can't speak for itself. I feel obliged to defend a defenseless human being at its most vulnerable
Oh god, please start a seperate thread on this subject!

jonu
05-09-2017, 08:31 PM
Makes perfect sense if you are a woman jonu.

BTW Do you support nationals behaviour in this election?

Beg to differ on the first point JT. It could make no sense to anyone other than perhaps yourself.

To which behaviour do you refer? I am not a National party apologist or member. I wish they had been better with the 3 terms they have had. Labour on the other hand with their touchy, feely, no detail campaign give me the willies.

jonu
05-09-2017, 08:35 PM
Oh god, please start a seperate thread on this subject!

It came up as part of the Leader's debate Mini. Isn't it strange how so many people are uncomfortable talking about abortion when it is supposedly just fine and dandy?

minimoke
05-09-2017, 08:39 PM
It came up as part of the Leader's debate Mini. Isn't it strange how so many people are uncomfortable talking about abortion when it is supposedly just fine and dandy?
Then it was another inane question that shouldn't have been posed. The matter was settled years ago. Obviously a question aimed to get the late night talk back callers going given its a full moon and they will be out in force.

Joshuatree
05-09-2017, 08:41 PM
Beg to differ on the first point JT. It could make no sense to anyone other than perhaps yourself.

To which behaviour do you refer? I am not a National party apologist or member. I wish they had been better with the 3 terms they have had. Labour on the other hand with their touchy, feely, no detail campaign give me the willies.

National underhand smearing, lying behaviour they are the only party doing this from what I've seen.Its not reasonable or decent and sets a new norm for new zealanders ; some will model after it. Mind you they probably were the only dirty underarm bowlers last time as well.

Joshuatree
05-09-2017, 08:42 PM
Im happy to move it to another thread MM.

minimoke
05-09-2017, 08:47 PM
Im happy to move it to another thread MM.
Excellent. I hope you and the god botherers that will now inevitably appear are happy there.

fungus pudding
06-09-2017, 01:11 AM
Don't stop with editing that post JT, the last 100 or so are in need of correcting.

I'll be first to second that!

Joshuatree
06-09-2017, 07:40 AM
Don't stop with editing that post JT, the last 100 or so are in need of correcting.

Honesty is such a lonely word.

tim23
09-09-2017, 08:18 PM
I see Hosking was unable to front at minor parties event - hangover on Thursday maybe and then just as he was recovering the poll came out Thursday evening just unwound his recovery, poor Mike!