Building a small but balanced portfolio

[justakiwi]

You pretty much all know my situation now, in terms of my financial situation and beginner investor status. I am learning heaps here so thank you to those of you who have contributed to that. I have come to a few realisations, which I wish it had come to a long time ago but better late than never I guess.

Firstly, as I approach 59 and 65 is getting closer by the day, I realise some of my investment thinking has been flawed. I have felt that at my stage in life I should be “playing it safe” with my money and avoiding any kind of “growth” investment now. I am OK with this as far as my KiwiSaver goes, which is why I have switched my fund to Balanced now. But as far as future investments are concerned I realise there is still sufficient time for me to invest in growth funds - I don’t necessarily need to be looking at conservative investments only. As you know I recently signed up to Sharesies as a way to get cracking and build a small portfolio over the next year, that will then be my “back up” for down the track when I am mid-retirement (alongside my KiwiSaver, which I intend to leave as it at 65 and only draw down for emergencies etc).

So ... I need some advice please. My first Sharesies fund is USF but I now need to think about which other funds would be the best choices to create a small but balanced/diversified portfolio. I am thinking 3 Funds in total at this point. Given that I have the small holding in KFL, which other two Sharesies funds would be my best option? My understanding of the different funds is limited, although I have been reading up on them all, but I would really appreciate some input please. (Apparently Sharesies are rolling out some new funds this week - managed by BlackRock. Not sure what they are yet)

Thanks in advance :)

[SBQ]

I've never really subscribed to the approach of investing based on balancing the portfolio. A more relevant risk factor is to determine at what stage the global economy is and the likelihood of a stock market crash in the long or short term future. If you look at all those managed funds like in Kiwisaver, how many of them are factoring this very important risk level? Probably not many and the reason is they're more focused on allocating the cash inflows instead of just sitting aside knowing when the next correct occurs. In another thread i've discussed the importance of low cost index funds and how much investors lose from mgt and administrative fees (re: Buffet's $1M bet against these actively managed funds).

At your age the real deal is you should be asking yourself, "what would you do if over half of your investment portfolio were to lose value in a global market crash?" Conventional thinking tells that those approaching senior age are to lean towards bonds and low risk, low return, investments. That's because at that age, if you timed things wrong, you still have your nest egg. Those that are young and in full work mode can afford to take aggressive risks because a loss at an early age isn't so damaging when they have 20 or 40 years of contributions to make.

Personally, I like to treat investments based on generation. Meaning I don't look to invest based on my age but rather, what my grandchildren can see. So the age of 60+ etc is of moot interest to me.

[justakiwi]

Once again you need to remember that you and I are in vastly different life situations. My focus with my late start at investing is to invest what I can over the next 6 years before I turn 65, so I have a second egg in my basket. KiwiSaver is my only egg right now and it’s a small one, which is why my plan is to leave it invested when I turn 65 - not withdraw it. It can sit there doing its thing for the next 10-20 years and will hopefully continue to grow (and recover from any crashes over that time). I don’t intend to touch that money after 65 unless I have to, although a little holiday somewhere not too far away for a few days might be nice too).

My investments in shares will be small too for obvious reasons, and yes, I totally realise and accept I could lose some or even all of my investment. I feel that I still have enough years to take some risk, as again, this is money I don’t intend to touch for at least 10 years or more. Not sure what your last comment meant - if you meant you see your investments as something you will leave for your grandkids, that’s awesome. My focus is not on building wealth to leave my kids or grandkids. I’m too late to the game for that and the amounts we are talking about are peanuts. I am looking at it as a better alternative to watching my money languish in the bank, with the hope that it will do OK over time. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t. Such is life. I don’t need a ****load of money. Never have. Never will. I live in my caravan and work as a caregiver in a rest home for less than $20 an hour! I’m not a material person, but I would like to create a little more financial security for myself if at all possible.

Maybe I am dreaming/making a total dick of myself, but at least I’m trying and as my kids would say - YOLO (or You Only Live Once) ;)

[777]

justakiwi a lot of posters here make dicks of themselves on a regular basis, including myself. To date you have not. Asking for other investors thoughts can only help you in the long run. At least you have a plan and all plans can be changed as you go. Best of luck with your investing and enjoy it in the process.

[peat]

give it a go mate!
but my advice to you is to be relatively conservative
firstly because of your age.
secondly because of the elevated market levels
thirdly because of your inexperience.

by conservative I mean pretty dammed conservative. eg , buy quality , even if its expensive, but still try not to overpay!. have strict (low) limits on how much equity %'s you have. etc etc. feel your way slowly into owning volatile assets. keep imagining how you would feel if your shares halved.

Operate something along the lines of those rules that Benjamin Graham made - read The Intelligent Investor. note what he says most people should do!


small parcels , in market dips of MFT FPH EBO etc. not NTL or PPH.
so, no investing in Cannasouth , for instance.


Thats what I'd suggest.

[justakiwi]

OK, thanks for the suggestions so far. I really appreciate the input but for various reasons, at the moment I need to stick with funds I can invest in through Sharesies, rather than direct buy individual companies. Here are the funds currently available (the ones to be released this week are not out yet). I have already chosen US500 (but can change that at any point if I wish to), so which two others would you recommend I go with?

AMP Capital


* AMP Capital Global Shares (Higher Risk)—Invest in over 2000 companies around the world. This fund includes companies across a broad range of sizes, sectors in developing and emerging markets—including well-known companies like Facebook, Johnson & Johnson, Samsung, Coca-Cola, Visa, Apple and Boeing. And excludes Tobacco companies and controversial weapons such as nuclear weapons, cluster bombs and landmines.


* AMP Capital Responsible NZ Fund (Medium Risk)—A diversified portfolio of mostly New Zealand shares. It aims is to outperform the S&P/NZX 50 Index. The fund looks for companies that have a sustainable competitive advantage, a good growth outlook, the ability to grow earnings faster than revenue, and which can grow without a strong reliance on raising additional capital. The fund is managed by Harbour Asset Management Ltd.


Pathfinder


* Pathfinder Global Responsibility Fund (Higher Risk)—includes socially responsible companies around the world. Each company goes through a screening process to make sure they’re socially responsible. This means excluding companies involved in restricted industries such as gambling, tobacco, controversial weapons and thermal coal, and selecting the companies that have the highest Environmental, Social and Governance (ESG) score.


* Pathfinder Global Water Fund (Medium Risk)—includes socially responsible companies around the world involved in the water industry. The water companies cover a wide range of activities including water treatment, pipe and pump manufacturing, and specialist engineering. Each company goes through a screening process to make sure they’re socially responsible—there are no bottled water companies in the water fund.


* Pathfinder Global Property Fund (Medium Risk)—Take a step onto the global property ladder. This fund invests in global property companies including traditional office, retail, industrial and residential properties, as well as other property investments like data centres, cell towers and healthcare facilities. Each company goes through a socially responsible screening process, which includes selecting companies with the highest Environmental, Social and Governance (ESG) score.




NZ Core Fund (Medium Risk) issued by Smartshares Ltd


* Put your money to work in a range of large and small companies listed on the New Zealand Stock Exchange (NZX). The NZ Core Fund gives you access to the big brands you know like TradeMe and Spark, plus increased access to smaller companies. The NZ Core Fund is a Smartshares managed fund, and is a medium risk fund. This fund is well suited for a Kids Account.




Exchange-traded funds (ETFs) issued by Smartshares Ltd
Most of these are Index Funds (excluding the NZ Bond Fund)


* NZ Top 50 (Medium risk)—includes the 50 largest companies listed on the New Zealand Stock Exchange (NZX). At 28 April 2017, this included companies like, Spark NZ Ltd, Fisher & Paykel Healthcare Ltd, and Auckland International Airport Ltd.


* Australian Top 20 (Higher risk)—the top 20 companies listed on the Australian Stock Exchange (ASX). This includes companies like: ANZ bank, Woolworths, and Commonwealth Bank of Australia.


* US 500 (Higher risk)—the top 500 companies in the United States. This includes companies like Apple, Alphabet, amazon.com, and Facebook. This index is managed by Vanguard (one of the world's largest investment firms).


* NZ Bond (Lower risk)—a broad range of deposits or bonds, including some which are issued or guaranteed by the New Zealand Government. A bond is a loan typically made by investors to corporations or governments. The NZ Bond Fund is actively managed.
NZ Property (Medium risk)—the NZ Property Fund invests in property listed on the NZX. Examples include Kiwi Properties Group Limited and Argosy Property.
* Australian Resources (Higher risk)—spread across the top 200 companies in the resources sector that are listed on the Australian Stock Exchange (ASX). This includes companies in Energy, Metals, and Mining sectors.


* Europe Fund (Higher risk)—companies based in Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and the UK. This index is managed by Vanguard (one of the world’s largest investment firms).


* Global Bond Fund (Lower Risk)—a broad range of global fixed-interest assets. The fund is actively managed by PIMCO Australia Pty Ltd and includes bonds issued by the governments of USA, United Kingdom, Japan, France and other countries, as well as bonds issued by other governments, companies and non-government entities. The fund is hedged against the NZ dollar, which helps manage the risk of currency movement.


* NZ Cash Fund (Lower risk)—This fund is more for short-term savings—like a ‘rainy-day fund’— than a long-term investment. It includes a diversified range of New Zealand cash and cash equivalents, including deposits and short-term debt securities issued by NZ banks and large corporations. The fund is managed by Nikko Asset Management NZ Ltd. It aims to outperform the 90-Day Bank Bills Index over a rolling one-year period (which is a bit like trying to outperform the savings rate you’d get from a bank).


* NZ Mid Cap (Medium risk)—This award-winning ETF contains some of New Zealand's top growth companies like Chorus, Air New Zealand, and Comvita. It includes companies in the NZ Top 50 but with the top 10 and dual-listed Australian banks removed.


* Emerging Markets Fund (Higher risk)—companies based in emerging markets around the world. This includes China, Brazil, Taiwan, and South Africa. This index is managed by Vanguard (one of the world’s largest investment firms).


* Asia Pacific Fund (Higher risk)—companies based across Japan, Australia, Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore and New Zealand. This index is managed by Vanguard (one of the world’s largest investment firms).

[peat]

I'm looking forward to the new releases myself !

At present I have the Pathfinder Water because its hard to get any exposure like that through specific stocks.

For you though I'd go, continue with the US500 but stagger purchases until there has been a bad month or two. so now is not too bad a time to start dribbling funds in. As an alternative or when you have enough to diversify try the AMP Capital Global Shares as well. Those two seem to be the core for an int'l exposure.

NZ and Australia later I reckon, and then Emerging Markets.

[justakiwi]

Yep, the staggered purchases with no buy fees is the main reason I’ve gone with Sharesies. I kicked it off with just a $50 starting investment, I direct credit my wallet with just $10 a week and have a weekly auto-invest for the same amount. Small bikkies right now but I will increase this and/or make additional purchases as I’m able.

I have to to say I am incredibly impressed with the whole Sharesies platform so far. Their customer support is impeccable, their web app is excellent and so far my weekly orders have been processed, confirmed and showing in my portfolio in less than 8 hours. They update me via email for every transaction eg: I got an email this morning to confirm my wallet had been credited, and an email just now to say my order is completed. These guys know what they are doing and how to provide an excellent service. I wish something like this had been around when I was in my twenties.


I'm looking forward to the new releases myself !

At present I have the Pathfinder Water because its hard to get any exposure like that through specific stocks.

For you though I'd go, continue with the US500 but stagger purchases until there has been a bad month or two. so now is not too bad a time to start dribbling funds in. As an alternative or when you have enough to diversify try the AMP Capital Global Shares as well. Those two seem to be the core for an int'l exposure.

NZ and Australia later I reckon, and then Emerging Markets.

[SBQ]

Once again you need to remember that you and I are in vastly different life situations. My focus with my late start at investing is to invest what I can over the next 6 years before I turn 65, so I have a second egg in my basket. KiwiSaver is my only egg right now and it’s a small one, which is why my plan is to leave it invested when I turn 65 - not withdraw it. It can sit there doing its thing for the next 10-20 years and will hopefully continue to grow (and recover from any crashes over that time). I don’t intend to touch that money after 65 unless I have to, although a little holiday somewhere not too far away for a few days might be nice too).

My investments in shares will be small too for obvious reasons, and yes, I totally realise and accept I could lose some or even all of my investment. I feel that I still have enough years to take some risk, as again, this is money I don’t intend to touch for at least 10 years or more. Not sure what your last comment meant - if you meant you see your investments as something you will leave for your grandkids, that’s awesome. My focus is not on building wealth to leave my kids or grandkids. I’m too late to the game for that and the amounts we are talking about are peanuts. I am looking at it as a better alternative to watching my money languish in the bank, with the hope that it will do OK over time. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t. Such is life. I don’t need a ****load of money. Never have. Never will. I live in my caravan and work as a caregiver in a rest home for less than $20 an hour! I’m not a material person, but I would like to create a little more financial security for myself if at all possible.

Maybe I am dreaming/making a total dick of myself, but at least I’m trying and as my kids would say - YOLO (or You Only Live Once) ;)

It's great you have an interest in finance as the vast majority just don't care (they're more concerned about the rugby game etc.). For such a boring subject, yet a very important part of living ; we all know having $ is a necessity in life.

At times I can be very blunt. What I was saying is when you go down this path of investing for retirement, there is simply no substitute for how many years you stay invested. Certainly 6 years is a very short time frame, and perhaps a risky one if you intend to sell up at age 65. Equally important is estate planning. What do you intend to do if you leave the 2nd nest egg invested after 65? This is why I mentioned about generations as most people who have next of kin or usually plan their retirement portfolio for the benefit not just for themselves at elderly age but for also the next of kin family.

I'm sorry I have no experience about Sharesies (or on similar part, Kiwi Saver funds). That's because I already know for the vast majority of investors, such actively managed funds just simply won't work for them. Warren Buffet has proved this time and time again that investors (particularly the small guy) loses far more $ in administration and mgt fees than what they actually get back in compounded returns in their portfolio. I recall reading an article a year or so ago about all the different Kiwi Saver funds failing to meet their mark but were great at marketing their aggressive / moderate / etc funds that a person can invest in. By making the investors choose which area to put their savings in, the investment industry gets off the hook because there is no accountability when the person is presented 3 different risk levels of investment. It's a laugh because they're trying to match the individual's risk tolerance vs their time frame vs the overall return when the sad reality is, everyone wants a bigger portfolio at the end, and when the fund managers do a poor job of delivering that to their investors, they say well it's the individual's fault for not choosing the 'right' mix in their 'balanced' portfolio.

If I was in your position and dealing with very small sums, I would look at investing directly to US equities. Particularly in quality, well established companies like those on the S&P500. Since you would be well under the $50K threshold, you would be exempted of FIF / FDR etc. and this is a big deal. Because unlike Kiwi Saver, your portfolio holding the shares directly would attract no taxation at all. Compare that to NZ funds like under the PIE structure that are set at 28% tax no matter if you invested $1 or $1M. Again, this is only my opinion and in a different posting, I mentioned that taxation is key in planning for investment and retirement.

As for living in a caravan, I myself live in a similar lifestyle for 3 months of the year (RVing / work related) so I know what it means to live frugal.

[GTM 3442]

Cheat.

Work out an asset allocation model based on the literature from a number of funds - some conservative funds, some balanced funds, some growth funds. See what their asset allocations average out at.

Now you know what the professionals are doing.

Then think about what you feel comfortable with.

Then have a look any their reporting, and see what individual shares/bonds/funds/currencies they're invested in.

Now you're in a position to create your own personal fund - your own blend of conservative/balanced/growth.

Just a thought - good ideas are worth stealing.

[justakiwi]

At times I can be very blunt.

Yes, you can be 😉



What I was saying is when you go down this path of investing for retirement, there is simply no substitute for how many years you stay invested. Certainly 6 years is a very short time frame, and perhaps a risky one if you intend to sell up at age 65. Equally important is estate planning. What do you intend to do if you leave the 2nd nest egg invested after 65? This is why I mentioned about generations as most people who have next of kin or usually plan their retirement portfolio for the benefit not just for themselves at elderly age but for also the next of kin family.

As I have already explained, I have no intention of selling up at 65. It will be a back up fund, used only for emergencies and possibly for a domestic holiday at some point.

In in terms of my estate when I die, it will be close to a non-issue. My KS “might” be worth a maximum of $30,000 when I hit 65 (possibly less if we experience a crash before then). This new investment will be worth bugger all. Definitely less than $10,000. That’s it. I have no assets other than my caravan, which is currently worth probably no more than $20,000. By the time I’m 65 it will be worth less. So, when I die, once my funeral is paid for, my 4 kids will be lucky to see $10,000 each. I am not one of those people who lives and works to leave my kids an inheritance. If there is something there for them when I kark it, sweet, but I’m not holding my breath and neither are they. We are talking minuscule amounts of money here. Which is exactly why I sometimes start second guess myself and thinking “why am I bothering even considering investing when I have so little money?” But I’m a bit pig headed and I like a challenge so I’m going to give it a whirl anyway.


I'm sorry I have no experience about Sharesies (or on similar part, Kiwi Saver funds). That's because I already know for the vast majority of investors, such actively managed funds just simply won't work for them. Warren Buffet has proved this time and time again that investors (particularly the small guy) loses far more $ in administration and mgt fees than what they actually get back in compounded returns in their portfolio. I recall reading an article a year or so ago about all the different Kiwi Saver funds failing to meet their mark but were great at marketing their aggressive / moderate / etc funds that a person can invest in. By making the investors choose which area to put their savings in, the investment industry gets off the hook because there is no accountability when the person is presented 3 different risk levels of investment. It's a laugh because they're trying to match the individual's risk tolerance vs their time frame vs the overall return when the sad reality is, everyone wants a bigger portfolio at the end, and when the fund managers do a poor job of delivering that to their investors, they say well it's the individual's fault for not choosing the 'right' mix in their 'balanced' portfolio.

My KS is actively managed and I am currently considering switching providers but not rushing into making that decision right now.

My Sharesies investments will all be ETFs which I’m choosing myself, rather than going with one of their “pre-built” orders, so will be a passive investment as I have no intention of buying/selling to try to beat the market.


If I was in your position and dealing with very small sums, I would look at investing directly to US equities. Particularly in quality, well established companies like those on the S&P500. Since you would be well under the $50K threshold, you would be exempted of FIF / FDR etc. and this is a big deal. Because unlike Kiwi Saver, your portfolio holding the shares directly would attract no taxation at all.

I get this but if I were to do it this way I would have to save up larger amounts of money before purchasing shares, and would also be paying brokerage. Sharesies gave me the opportunity to get started with $50 and to set up regular orders with no buy fees. That is a huge advantage to someone in my position. Tax is never going to be a big issue for obvious reasons and I can claim imputation credits on my PIE income. So unless I win LOTTO, or a handsome Sugar Daddy comes knocking on my door, it is currently the most efficient and cheapest way for me to invest. 😄

[iceman]

Hi justakiwi. Some good comments on here and I mostly agree with what Peat said in post #8 (wouldn't consider feel good "socially responsible" investment funds in your situation though) and stick to dribbling into the USF through passively managed Sharesies.
The USF includes the 500 largest companies on the NYSE and many of those rely on sales from around the globe and thereby give you access to foreign exchange hedging in dozens of currencies and access to dozens of economies.

I can't see why you would want to diversify any more than that with your relatively small amounts.

But good luck whatever you do and I repeat what 777 said above, you most certainly have not made a fool of yourself with your questions and obvious enthusiasm.

[justakiwi]

For anyone who is remotely interested I thought I would share an update with you. I started this thread back in June of last year. I had just joined up to Sharesies and was getting started with $10 a week into USF. I think from memory I held about $1000 KFL shares (externally, which I had bought back in 2016).
I commented above that my aim was to have about $10,000 invested by the time I turned 65. That seemed like a huge amount and “doable” given my limited income on part time work.

18 months later, having just turned 60, my portfolio is now sitting at $10,071.10. My total return for the period 25/5/19 to today, is 39.20%. Return for the last 12 months is 34.92%.

I know there will be some here who will have a quiet little snigger when they read this, but today I am celebrating and feeling proud of what I’ve achieved. It is possible to be a late starter to investing. It is possible to be a very small investor but still make it work, and it most definitely is worth doing even if you only have $10 a week to get started with.

Thank you to those of you who have helped me learn, encouraged and supported me, and put up with my constant PMs and questions. Your wisdom (talking to you Percy ;)) and guidance is pretty much what got me to my goal five years early!

I think a wine is in order :)

~ Carren

P.S Funny that my original plan (above) was to invest in ETFs only. As it turns out USF is still the only one I have. The other 5 are companies.

[peat]

congrats JAK

You've taken risk and it has been rewarded.

like all of us a lot of it has been luck though, you do need to accept that. We all should.

But fortune favours the brave , as my old man would say as he bid 10 No Trumps in a game of 500.

[justakiwi]

I fully appreciate that investing involves risk and a certain amount of luck. I am under no illusions that my progress so far will continue, or that my returns won’t suddenly show a negative figure at some point in the future. I am celebrating the fact that I have been proactive for the past 18 months, and have done what little I could, given my income, to create at least a little bit of “extra” financial security, for the long term into retirement. If it all turns to custard so be it. Today however, I am happy to have met my goal early. I will set a new one now.

I had forgotten how good Stone’s Green Ginger wine is! :t_up:




congrats JAK

You've taken risk and it has been rewarded.

like all of us a lot of it has been luck though, you do need to accept that. We all should.

But fortune favours the brave , as my old man would say as he bid 10 No Trumps in a game of 500.

[Baa_Baa]

@justakiwi you're adorable and an inspiration, it doesn't matter the absolute value, it's the determination to do well. I have learnt as much from you as you might have from others, about mindset for investing. For what it's worth I don't think luck comes into it very often, sometimes maybe, but solid research and active management are critical skills for investing.

And congratulations on achieving your goals so quickly, if you extrapolate that 5 year goal in 18 months to what you can achieve actually in five years ... well, what else can I say except all the best.

[Norwest]

What a lovely heart warming update to your original post, thank you for sharing it!

[justakiwi]

Thank you both so much for the really cool, and positive comments. You’re the best :)


@justakiwi you're adorable and an inspiration, it doesn't matter the absolute value, it's the determination to do well. I have learnt as much from you as you might have from others, about mindset for investing. For what it's worth I don't think luck comes into it very often, sometimes maybe, but solid research and active management are critical skills for investing.

And congratulations on achieving your goals so quickly, if you extrapolate that 5 year goal in 18 months to what you can achieve actually in five years ... well, what else can I say except all the best.



What a lovely heart warming update to your original post, thank you for sharing it!

[blackcap]

For anyone who is remotely interested I thought I would share an update with you. I started this thread back in June of last year. I had just joined up to Sharesies and was getting started with $10 a week into USF. I think from memory I held about $1000 KFL shares (externally, which I had bought back in 2016).
I commented above that my aim was to have about $10,000 invested by the time I turned 65. That seemed like a huge amount and “doable” given my limited income on part time work.

18 months later, having just turned 60, my portfolio is now sitting at $10,071.10. My total return for the period 25/5/19 to today, is 39.20%. Return for the last 12 months is 34.92%.

I know there will be some here who will have a quiet little snigger when they read this, but today I am celebrating and feeling proud of what I’ve achieved. It is possible to be a late starter to investing. It is possible to be a very small investor but still make it work, and it most definitely is worth doing even if you only have $10 a week to get started with.

Thank you to those of you who have helped me learn, encouraged and supported me, and put up with my constant PMs and questions. Your wisdom (talking to you Percy ;)) and guidance is pretty much what got me to my goal five years early!

I think a wine is in order :)

~ Carren

P.S Funny that my original plan (above) was to invest in ETFs only. As it turns out USF is still the only one I have. The other 5 are companies.

Well done good on you. And no not a snigger at all. You have done very well and have also taken the time to educate yourself in these matters. Enjoy that wine.

[macduffy]

Well done, indeed! Now set a target for the next x years and keep that enquiring mind doing its good work!

Cheers, m.

[iceman]

Well done justakiwi. Great to see that you have taken advice and done your homework resulting in such a great performance. Congratulations.

[RupertBear]

For anyone who is remotely interested I thought I would share an update with you. I started this thread back in June of last year. I had just joined up to Sharesies and was getting started with $10 a week into USF. I think from memory I held about $1000 KFL shares (externally, which I had bought back in 2016).
I commented above that my aim was to have about $10,000 invested by the time I turned 65. That seemed like a huge amount and “doable” given my limited income on part time work.

18 months later, having just turned 60, my portfolio is now sitting at $10,071.10. My total return for the period 25/5/19 to today, is 39.20%. Return for the last 12 months is 34.92%.

I know there will be some here who will have a quiet little snigger when they read this, but today I am celebrating and feeling proud of what I’ve achieved. It is possible to be a late starter to investing. It is possible to be a very small investor but still make it work, and it most definitely is worth doing even if you only have $10 a week to get started with.

Thank you to those of you who have helped me learn, encouraged and supported me, and put up with my constant PMs and questions. Your wisdom (talking to you Percy ;)) and guidance is pretty much what got me to my goal five years early!

I think a wine is in order :)

~ Carren

P.S Funny that my original plan (above) was to invest in ETFs only. As it turns out USF is still the only one I have. The other 5 are companies.

Thats awesome! Well done and thanks for sharing, keep up the good work and keep posting as you add a valuable perspective to investing :)

[stones]

For anyone who is remotely interested I thought I would share an update with you. I started this thread back in June of last year. I had just joined up to Sharesies and was getting started with $10 a week into USF. I think from memory I held about $1000 KFL shares (externally, which I had bought back in 2016).
I commented above that my aim was to have about $10,000 invested by the time I turned 65. That seemed like a huge amount and “doable” given my limited income on part time work.

18 months later, having just turned 60, my portfolio is now sitting at $10,071.10. My total return for the period 25/5/19 to today, is 39.20%. Return for the last 12 months is 34.92%.

I know there will be some here who will have a quiet little snigger when they read this, but today I am celebrating and feeling proud of what I’ve achieved. It is possible to be a late starter to investing. It is possible to be a very small investor but still make it work, and it most definitely is worth doing even if you only have $10 a week to get started with.

Thank you to those of you who have helped me learn, encouraged and supported me, and put up with my constant PMs and questions. Your wisdom (talking to you Percy ;)) and guidance is pretty much what got me to my goal five years early!

I think a wine is in order :)

~ Carren

P.S Funny that my original plan (above) was to invest in ETFs only. As it turns out USF is still the only one I have. The other 5 are companies.


Congrats!!!

[justakiwi]

Thanks for all the positive comments people! :)

[justakiwi]

I thought I’d share a little update for anyone who is interested. It has now been just over two years since I got back to investing with the help of Sharesies. I set myself a goal of having $10,000 invested by the time I turn 65. I will be 61 in August and my portfolio has just hit $20,000. My minimalist caravan lifestyle has made a huge difference and has allowed me to save and invest more money over the past two years, than I ever could have in the past. My total return (capital gain plus dividends) for the past two years was $4450 or 26.27% per annum. My portfolio is small - one ETF, five NZ companies and one unlisted company. As I have said before, I totally understand and appreciate that my progress to date means very little in terms of future progress, but I am very happy and more than a little chuffed with what I’ve achieved in two years. It is a really good feeling to be actively doing something with the money I earn, rather than simply watching it lose value sitting in bank accounts, which is what I did before.

Thank you to everyone who has helped me both in the forums and behind the scenes. You have taught me so much, and helped me gain the confidence to make decisions and stand by them. As much as aspects of this place make me crazy at times, I couldn’t have achieved what I have, without the knowledge, guidance and support many ST members have given me.

Looking forward to seeing what the next two years brings :)

[Sideshow Bob]

Well done Justakiwi!! Awesome!! :t_up:

[777]

You can be proud of yourself justakiwi and may the increase in portfolio continue.

[Jay]

Yes well done justakiwi, you can teach us a few things I think!

[iceman]

Very cool and well done ��

[stoploss]

Wow - keep up those sort of returns and you will soon have a Big Portfolio . Congratulations.

[Baa_Baa]

Wonderful story, well done justakiwi, thanks for sharing. All the best for your next goals.

[Snow Leopard]

...My minimalist caravan lifestyle has made a huge difference and has allowed me to save and invest more money over the past two years, than I ever could have in the past....

The foundation truth of building wealth, spend less than you earn.


....My total return (capital gain plus dividends) for the past two years was $4450 or 26.27% per annum.

Neat :) Keep up the good work.

[kiora]

IF the returns are maintained you will double your investment in 3 years
https://www.calculator.net/investment-calculator.html?ctype=endamount&ctargetamountv=1000000&cstartingprinciplev=20000&cyearsv=3&cinterestratev=26&ccompound=annually&ccontributeamountv=000&cadditionat1=beginning&ciadditionat1=monthly&printit=0&x=54&y=17

$50,000 by age 65
https://www.calculator.net/investment-calculator.html?ctype=endamount&ctargetamountv=1000000&cstartingprinciplev=20000&cyearsv=4&cinterestratev=26&ccompound=annually&ccontributeamountv=000&cadditionat1=beginning&ciadditionat1=monthly&printit=0&x=45&y=6

Worth aiming for?

[fungus pudding]

The foundation truth of building wealth, spend less than you earn.



Neat :) Keep up the good work.

Precisely - 'learn to live beneath your means'. A fungus aphorism.

[justakiwi]

Thanks for all the kind comments guys :)

[justakiwi]

Why do you feel the need to pump crypto at ever possible opportunity? It always feels like you must be earning a commission or something, for "spreading the word."

I'm not even remotely interested in crypto. It's the very last thing I would ever choose to invest in. It's a ridiculous invention/concept, and trading in it is nothing more than gambling in my opinion.

I'm not greedy. I'm more than happy with my progress and returns. As I'm sure you are with yours.


hey real nice returns there for traditional investments... and sorry to be a party pooper,
but ive done 800% return on the entire portfolio in half a year in crypto....
I have made heaps of mistakes and easily underperformed the market...
If you want to make money, and not hold judgement about how the money is made... if you want to follow the money flows and the most popular asset class right now, and of all time then definately check out crypto...
100%

[justakiwi]

Unlike you, money and being rich, isn't the focus of my life. I don't want or need a million dollars. I don't want to give up my job. And just so you know, living in my caravan is a lifestyle choice, not something I do "because I'm poor." Your world view is vastly different from mine.

Out of curiosity, how old are you and what do you do for a job?

[fungus pudding]

Unlike you, money and being rich, isn't the focus of my life. .............
Out of curiosity, how old are you and what do you do for a job?

I never said it was the focus of my life.
My age and what I do is none of your business.

[fungus pudding]

Unlike you, money and being rich, isn't the focus of my life. .............
Out of curiosity, how old are you and what do you do for a job?

I never said it was the focus of my life.
My age and what I do is none of your business.

[SBQ]

Unlike you, money and being rich, isn't the focus of my life. I don't want or need a million dollars. I don't want to give up my job. And just so you know, living in my caravan is a lifestyle choice, not something I do "because I'm poor." Your world view is vastly different from mine.

Out of curiosity, how old are you and what do you do for a job?

You'll find each person in the forum has their own spin. Just like myself those that have followed my postings are around the issue of NZ's unfair taxation between different asset classes (shares vs rental properties / CGT / FIF etc). In Crypto Crude's case, he likes cryptocurrencies. I would not take his advice if you do enough online research on the risks of buying .coins in any way ; worse than a casino IMO. What I find that is consistent is there's no shortage of people like Crypto Crude making claims that you'll be a millionaire if you put this amount of $ in it ; no different to receiving stock tips from someone online, with claims of making big BIG returns.

I didn't get rich by taking such gambles. My investments made me well off enough the old fashion way ; by how Warren Buffet views investing. Yes he's boring, yes he's old, but like I said before i'm not one to gamble.

I will say this, in forming a balanced portfolio - I do find in industry and standard spew by financial advisers is that they over diversify. There is no distinction between one investing with a lot of $ and one that is doing weekly or monthly contributions. The former being that they are not required to take huge risks while the latter should be in a less diversified way. After all, when you buy shares in a company you are a PART OWNER of the company and therefore, need to view it from increasing shareholder value, and not how it's been pitched in NZ as, getting a return on capital in a way of "how much dividends am I going to be paid".

BTW, i'm not offended if anyone asks me what I do for a living or how old I am.

[justakiwi]

Well this is interesting. I was replying to cryptocrude not you. Why did you respond the way you did when you were not even part of the conversation?

I'm starting to think maybe you and cryptocrude are the same person.


I never said it was the focus of my life.
My age and what I do is none of your business.

[BIRMANBOY]

Wow what a classy person you are CC:t_down:. instead of being supportive to a fellow investor sharing their journey, you turn it into a p*****g contest and attempt to diminish and make insignificant the strong performance they have achieved. Why couldn't you just stop after the first sentence and leave it at that? Self-serving and insensitive behavior.
hey real nice returns there for traditional investments... and sorry to be a party pooper,
but ive done 800% return on the entire portfolio in half a year in crypto....
I have made heaps of mistakes and easily underperformed the market...
If you want to make money, and not hold judgement about how the money is made... if you want to follow the money flows and the most popular asset class right now, and of all time then definately check out crypto...
100%

[fungus pudding]

Well this is interesting. I was replying to cryptocrude not you. Why did you respond the way you did when you were not even part of the conversation?


I suppose because I'm not a mindreader. You posted to the whole group; 'you' which is a plural word, includes me. If you are replying to a specific post you should 'reply with quote' as nearly everone else in the entire planet does (there is one other dizzy twit who posts likewise. Like your posts it's impossible to know what he or she is on about).

[justakiwi]

Wow. For your information I "reply with quote" 99% of the time. On occasions like this, where there are really only a couple of people "discussing" I don't bother, if my reply comes immediately after their post. which it did. Anyone with half a brain knew full well I was talking to CC. and by he way, the word "you" is not a "plural word." What rubbish. It can be used in both a singular or plural context as you well know.

As for your last statement - up you! You are now back on ignore where you clearly belong.


I suppose because I'm not a mind-reader. You posted to the whole group; 'you' which is a plural word, includes me. If you are replying to a specific post you should 'reply with quote' as nearly everyone else in the entire planet does (there is one other dizzy twit who posts likewise. Like your posts it's impossible to know what he or she is on about).

[fungus pudding]

Wow. For your information I "reply with quote" 99% of the time. On occasions like this, where there are really only a couple of people "discussing" I don't bother, if my reply comes immediately after their post. which it did. Anyone with half a brain knew full well I was talking to CC. and by he way, the word "you" is not a "plural word." What rubbish. It can be used in both a singular or plural context as you well know.

As for your last statement - up you! You are now back on ignore where you clearly belong.

I said you is a plural word. And it is. it is also a singular word.
You have no idea if your post will be next to appear; although it often will. The point is someone reading posts out of interest should not have to refer to any previous entry - even if it is the relavent one. Furthermore, i had no idea what wow means. I thought it stood for the ridiculous world of wearable art, but that didn't seem to fit, so I looked it up.
It seems it can serve as a noun, verb or simply an informal expression of excitement. All very flattering. I'm humbled.

exclamation
expressing astonishment or admiration.
"‘Wow!’ he cried enthusiastically"
noun
a sensational success.
"your play's a wow"
verb
impress and excite (someone) greatly.
"they wowed audiences on their recent British tour"

[Arthur]

Anybody here looked at this? "FMA releases guide for ‘finfluencers’" . Successive Governments have forced more and more regulation on those giving financial advice. Many of the commentators on this website (and many others) will be breaching the law by giving financial advice. I'm not suggesting the advice is bad or that the law is a net benefit, but it is what it is.

[kiora]

The Law is an ASS?

[justakiwi]

OK, I respectfully ask that we get back to the topic (of the thread I started). Please take any further off-topic contributions elsewhere.

Thank you.

[Arthur]

You asked for advice. The Financial Markets Authority has outlined that people giving you advice may be breaking the law.

[justakiwi]

I started this thread a long time ago. My recent posts were not in any way asking for advice. I was simply providing an update on my own situation, to anyone who might be remotely interested.

Most people here are kind and supportive and I value their input - but there always has to be one or two people who seem hell bent on ruining a perfectly good thread/discussion.

If people are not interested in what I post, they can simply click on the next post. Nobody is forcing anyone to read my ****.

If they really despise me or struggle to understand what I'm "on about" they can add me to their ignore list.

Sometimes I really wonder why the hell I bother.


You asked for advice. The Financial Markets Authority has outlined that people giving you advice may be breaking the law.

[fungus pudding]

I started this thread a long time ago. My recent posts were not in any way asking for advice. I was simply providing an update on my own situation, to anyone who might be remotely interested.

Most people here are kind and supportive and I value their input - but there always has to be one or two people who seem hell bent on ruining a perfectly good thread/discussion.

If people are not interested in what I post, they can simply click on the next post. Nobody is forcing anyone to read my ****.

If they really despise me or struggle to understand what I'm "on about" they can add me to their ignore list.

Sometimes I really wonder why the hell I bother.

I always do.

[fungus pudding]

I started this thread a long time ago. My recent posts were not in any way asking for advice. I was simply providing an update on my own situation, to anyone who might be remotely interested.

Most people here are kind and supportive and I value their input - but there always has to be one or two people who seem hell bent on ruining a perfectly good thread/discussion.

If people are not interested in what I post, they can simply click on the next post. Nobody is forcing anyone to read my ****.

If they really despise me or struggle to understand what I'm "on about" they can add me to their ignore list.

Sometimes I really wonder why the hell I bother.

I always do.

[Arthur]

I started this thread a long time ago. My recent posts were not in any way asking for advice. I was simply providing an update on my own situation, to anyone who might be remotely interested.

Most people here are kind and supportive and I value their input - but there always has to be one or two people who seem hell bent on ruining a perfectly good thread/discussion.

If people are not interested in what I post, they can simply click on the next post. Nobody is forcing anyone to read my ****.

If they really despise me or struggle to understand what I'm "on about" they can add me to their ignore list.

Sometimes I really wonder why the hell I bother.

I'm not bagging you, you are an inspiration. In your first post you said "So ... I need some advice please" I am just pointing out that the FMA has issued a warning to those that try to help people (and those with bad intent). National and Labour have both put up barriers to those seeking financial advice.

[justakiwi]

I'm not bagging you, you are an inspiration.

Thank you.


In your first post you said "So ... I need some advice please" I am just pointing out that the FMA has issued a warning to those that try to help people (and those with bad intent). National and Labour have both put up barriers to those seeking financial advice.

As I said, I started this thread a long time ago. That post was made in 2019, so really not relevant now. The thread has only been used to update anyone who might be interested in how I'm going, investment-wise, so no longer seeking advice.

[Arthur]

I am qualified to give financial advice... !

Justakiwi wants a balanced portfolio but with little to no diversification... what sort of balanced portfolio is that....

Don't you have more hoops to jump through than a circus dog?

[justakiwi]

I am qualified to give financial advice... !

That's debatable, but even if you are, I have made it clear I am not interested in what you are trying to sell me, so please give it a rest.


Justakiwi wants a balanced portfolio but with little to no diversification... what sort of balanced portfolio is that....

I want a balanced/diversified share portfolio, and that is exactly what I have. Period. End of discussion.

Now ... either follow this discussion without mentioning crypto again, or leave please. That goes for anyone else who wants to continue to hijack my thread. This is like being back kindergarten teaching for goodness sake! :mad ;:

[BIRMANBOY]

My congratulations as well justakiwi. It is an inspiration to see someone wanting to learn, getting stuck in and doing exactly that and also being resilient enough to participate in a forum that isn't always as supportive as it could be. That shows some strength of character and you should be very pleased with your progress. I look forward to your next post. Good motivation for us all in so many ways.:t_up:

I thought I’d share a little update for anyone who is interested. It has now been just over two years since I got back to investing with the help of Sharesies. I set myself a goal of having $10,000 invested by the time I turn 65. I will be 61 in August and my portfolio has just hit $20,000. My minimalist caravan lifestyle has made a huge difference and has allowed me to save and invest more money over the past two years, than I ever could have in the past. My total return (capital gain plus dividends) for the past two years was $4450 or 26.27% per annum. My portfolio is small - one ETF, five NZ companies and one unlisted company. As I have said before, I totally understand and appreciate that my progress to date means very little in terms of future progress, but I am very happy and more than a little chuffed with what I’ve achieved in two years. It is a really good feeling to be actively doing something with the money I earn, rather than simply watching it lose value sitting in bank accounts, which is what I did before.

Thank you to everyone who has helped me both in the forums and behind the scenes. You have taught me so much, and helped me gain the confidence to make decisions and stand by them. As much as aspects of this place make me crazy at times, I couldn’t have achieved what I have, without the knowledge, guidance and support many ST members have given me.

Looking forward to seeing what the next two years brings :)

[justakiwi]

Thank you for this. I really appreciate it. Yesterday I was "this close" to heading out the door (again). Not because I can't hack the BS and the a***holes(I can), but why should I have to?

I stick around because of the good people and remind myself that the stirrers are a minority, who clearly have unresolved issues which they choose to take out on others. Bring it on if you must, douche bags - I'm not going anywhere! :glare:

Thanks again :)






My congratulations as well justakiwi. It is an inspiration to see someone wanting to learn, getting stuck in and doing exactly that and also being resilient enough to participate in a forum that isn't always as supportive as it could be. That shows some strength of character and you should be very pleased with your progress. I look forward to your next post. Good motivation for us all in so many ways.:t_up:

[Crypto Crude]

Close but not close enough .....