Labour govt 2020-23 [Archive] - Page 22

Logen Ninefingers

19-02-2022, 12:03 PM

Do you mean like lefty cancel culture.

https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/books/cancel-culture-authors-books-jk-rowling-b900277.html

The war on words: how cancel culture is taking over the literary world
Books pulled last minute and staff threatening to strike because they disagree with JK Rowling - Katie Law reports on how publishing went woke

By Katie Law@jkatielaw
19 January 2021

Who would have thought that in 2021, as cancel culture becomes the new norm, the effect on authors has been to plunge the literary world into a freedom of speech crisis? Author Lionel Shriver calls it “a quasi-Soviet phenomenon”.

A writer says or writes something controversial on social media, in print or on TV. The news breaks, the crowd bays for blood, the tide turns and the writer is “cancelled”, shunned or left with a badly-damaged reputation.

In the past year, high-profile authors targeted include JK Rowling, Jordan Peterson, Jeanine Cummins, and Julie Burchill, and there are plenty more, many of whom we have never heard of. Some are deemed to have committed worse crimes than others, resulting in anything from mild censorship to accusations of insensitivity, cultural appropriation, misogyny, racism or transphobia, while others have had their book contracts revoked - and writers must learn to navigate this moralistic new world.

“Publishers are not working in a vacuum, they’re part of a larger social tide,” says Shriver. “They read the same newspapers we do, and they’re frightened like everyone else, because it’s a merciless movement, with people piling onto the side of righteousness for self-protection.”

Logen Ninefingers

19-02-2022, 12:09 PM

What's the alternative being offered though.

Make interest deductible again.
Allow in foreign investors back in.

keen to hear solutions instead of a list of complaints.

Cindy's "pulling all the levers" isn't she Panda. A foreign buyer ban that every expert said was neither here nor there as they were about 3% of the problem, yet still Labour thought they knew better than everyone else so they pulled that lever....and nothing happened. Yet it doesn't stop Cindy (or Panda) continuing to yammer on about the foreign buyer ban as if something was acheived. Labour do the easy stuff, like giving a Matariki Public Holiday, but they can't do any of the tough stuff.

ynot

19-02-2022, 12:24 PM

Book burning is much more wholesome isn't it.

I've suggested it previously Panda, The game is up for Cindy, time you dusted of that cv and secured your future. Your days on the 9th floor are numbered.

Balance

19-02-2022, 12:29 PM

Do you mean like lefty cancel culture.

And revising history :

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1621552837146-INHZG168NML72RHS08WZ/history.jpg?format=500w

Panda-NZ-

19-02-2022, 12:30 PM

I've suggested it previously Panda, The game is up for Cindy, time you dusted of that cv and secured your future. Your days on the 9th floor are numbered.

I'll be moving to Canada or Australia (provided they elect a newer modern govt in a few months).

There will be no opportunity left here if cindy goes.

Balance

19-02-2022, 12:39 PM

I'll be moving to Canada or Australia (provided they elect a newer modern govt in a few months).

There will be no opportunity left here if cindy goes.

Bring on 2023! :t_up:

Can't wait!

And take Cindy with you. What a freaking waste of space she has been, along with her team of nincompoops.

How about your lie that women cannot be communists?

nztx

19-02-2022, 12:42 PM

Property prices in Nelson just added another 5% :)

nztx

19-02-2022, 01:11 PM

Logen Ninefingers

19-02-2022, 01:16 PM

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/127827366/governments-tourism-plan-the-final-straw-for-canterburys-leopard-coachlines

Government's tourism plan 'the final straw' for Canterbury's Leopard Coachlines
Rob Stock
10:59, Feb 19 2022

Christchurch-based Leopard Coachlines has gone into liquidation, with managing director Brent Early calling the Government’s tourism reopening plan the “final straw” that broke the company.

In a letter to suppliers on Thursday, Early said: “It is with much regret and sadness that after 30 years of operating Leopard Coachlines, I have to announce that today I have made the very difficult decision of placing the company into voluntary liquidation.”

“We had been holding on for a plan from the Government around firm timelines for borders to open and for tourism from safe countries to start to return,” Early said.
“However the Government's plan for international visitors that requires isolation upon arrival has decimated any chance of a recovery in 2022, particularly when visitors from overseas have the option to travel almost anywhere else in the World without that cost and loss of their holiday time."

“It simply has been the final straw at the end of a very challenging and difficult time for us all.”

Logen Ninefingers

19-02-2022, 01:19 PM

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300521163/police-apologise-for-home-invasion-noshow-due-to-computer-upgrade

Police apologise for home invasion no-show due to computer upgrade
James Halpin
10:53, Feb 19 2022

Police have apologised to the victim of a home invasion after officers failed to show up immediately after the attack due to a computer upgrade issue.

Julie Doidge was at her Kāinga Ora-owned home in Mt Wellington, Auckland, on the night of October 27 when she heard her front door being kicked down.

A man and woman entered the unit but Doidge managed to scared them off by threatening them with a large knife.

She called 111, but police did not immediately attend, and instead came the next afternoon.

Panda-NZ-

19-02-2022, 01:37 PM

Steven Joyce: Protest much bigger than the protesters

Interesting that he consider them protestors and not illegal occupiers.

nztx

19-02-2022, 01:40 PM

Interesting that he consider them protestors and not illegal occupiers.

Is it ? perhaps you should ask some of the Labour MP's who have this sort of activity
pasted in bolds on their CV's .. probably quite a few of them too :)

On the wider issue

What a disgusting trail of ongoing Carnage & incompetence Labour are leaving behind

It is just a matter of time before this bunch of Clueless Incompetents get kicked out ;)

Balance

19-02-2022, 01:40 PM

Interesting that he consider them protestors and not illegal occupiers.

One word : Ihumatao

ynot

19-02-2022, 02:04 PM

I'll be moving to Canada or Australia (provided they elect a newer modern govt in a few months).

There will be no opportunity left here if cindy goes.

I would be careful about the move to Canada, Your mate Trudeau will be history before you get there .

iceman

19-02-2022, 02:32 PM

David Parker : ‘1 out of 100 infected by COVID will die.’

Why does the media not pull Ministers up for such blatant lying. Here is data from a country that never closed their borders to foreigners (let alone own citizens), decided early that the virus is not going anywhere, is an island, is removing all remaining restrictions next week and expects to have herd immunity by end of end March-Mid April. https://www.covid.is/data

Nearly 30% of the population has had COVID , or 102,000 people. They've had 58 deaths related to COVID. That is about 0.05% for a country that has been much more open than NZ and is at the very end of this pandemic. Not just starting like NZ with our stupid approach that has decimated several big industries such as tourism , hospitality and international education.

Yet we still have people on this site saying everyone that doesn't agree with Jacinda's ridiculous approach, is an anti vaxxer or a far right extremist. Incredible !

iceman

19-02-2022, 02:36 PM

I would be careful about the move to Canada, Your mate Trudeau will be history before you get there .

Please don't try to discourage him/her/it

Joshuatree

19-02-2022, 02:44 PM

Interesting that he consider them protestors and not illegal occupiers.

Blatant political puff piece,by Joyce and the usual blind how transparent he is and he's being paid for his bias ?

nztx

19-02-2022, 03:32 PM

Someone doesn't like what they see, it seems - we get it :)

Don't worry - the 'New Divisive" on the way is likely to leave the shallow perpetrators
of the earlier versions spun out on fairy dust to the now 'very much awakening gullable'
in such a spin - the earlier perpetrators wont want to know themselves ;)

Logen Ninefingers

19-02-2022, 07:47 PM

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/300520400/whats-gone-wrong-at-the-reserve-bank

What's gone wrong at the Reserve Bank?
Michael Reddell
05:00, Feb 19 2022

How to sum up the deteriorating situation at the Reserve Bank? Lack of preparedness, lack of rigour and intellectual depth, lack of viewpoint diversity, lack of accountability, lack of transparency, lack of management depth, lack of open engagement, and lack of institutional memory. It is quite a list. The governor is primarily responsible for this increasingly dismal record but it is the Minister of Finance who is responsible for the governor.

Panda-NZ-

19-02-2022, 09:11 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynx_v0Znhxs

Some examples of thuggish behaviour at protest on top of their parking violations and trespass.

Balance

19-02-2022, 10:19 PM

Blatant political puff piece,by Joyce and the usual blind how transparent he is and he's being paid for his bias ?

You ok, JT?

Ok for the media & Labour shills to be paid (from taxpayers’ funds) for writing glowing BS articles about Cindy & the government but not ok for any articles to be written criticising the government?

You are losing all sense of perspective so something is troubling you deeply.

Balance

19-02-2022, 10:26 PM

Protest now entrenched and occupation extending further and further around Wellington as police stood helplessly by.

Totally to be expected with this woke police force and this government’s support of gangs and criminals.

As Cindy sowed, she is now reaping.

And she is nowhere to be seen.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/eye-in-the-sky-wellingtons-anti-mandate-protest-from-above/ASLQ46UVSC4TF36772L4FLQDMA/

Yesterday, Police Commissioner Andrew Coster announced the police would not pursue any enforcement action against demonstrators despite the protest site growing by the day.

He also backtracked on an earlier pledge to start towing vehicles from occupied streets around Parliament, saying that would only escalate tensions.

Balance

19-02-2022, 10:35 PM

Yet another minister clueless about what she is doing and totally incompetent.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300520836/questions-left-hanging-as-minister-for-social-development-carmel-sepuloni-hangs-up

When the Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni admitted she hadn’t read a report from the royal commission, it was all downhill from there.

kiora

20-02-2022, 09:21 AM

Balance

20-02-2022, 09:37 AM

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iceman

20-02-2022, 09:56 AM

Affordable housing
"Simplicity KiwiSaver is funding apartment “villages” in Auckland's Point England with each two- and three-bedroom home costing an average of $450,000 to build".
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/127800528/simplicity-kiwisaver-to-build-10000-affordable-longterm-rentals-in-the-next-10-years-for-450k-each

I am starting to be a bit concerned with the way Sam Stubbs handles my Kiwisaver funds. He seems to think and talk like he is in the philanthropy business with Kiwisaver. Not saying that is the case here as we simply have no idea if it is a good commercial decision for our Kiwisaver.

stoploss

20-02-2022, 10:57 AM

I am starting to be a bit concerned with the way Sam Stubbs handles my Kiwisaver funds. He seems to think and talk like he is in the philanthropy business with Kiwisaver. Not saying that is the case here as we simply have no idea if it is a good commercial decision for our Kiwisaver.

Sounds like a good deal when the taxpayer is paying close to a million a unit to build in Wellington on land they already own.

Bjauck

20-02-2022, 10:58 AM

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/steven-joyce-protest-much-bigger-than-the-protesters/S3KOCXK5CLV66FADRASHBLZROU/

Steven Joyce: Protest much bigger than the protesters

(Behind Paywall)

Of course the Legions of Spinners & Red/Green Support crew haven't
picked up a deeper swing - they've been too busy trying to work how
to spin their way out of a storm of other self created crisis's descending
upon them fast as a super event ;)
Joyce says “In focusing on the protesters directly in front of them, they seem oblivious to a much bigger mood shift that's going on around the country” . That is an incredible statement. Those protestors directly in front of them are trespassers. In that emergency situation the legal occupants’ main priority is to remove the trespassers.

Balance

20-02-2022, 11:03 AM

Joyce says “In focusing on the protesters directly in front of them, they seem oblivious to a much bigger mood shift that's going on around the country” . That is an incredible statement. Those protestors directly in front of them are trespassers. In that emergency situation the legal occupants’ main priority is to remove the trespassers.

Bring on 2023.

The Wokester in charge of NZ police - put in place by a woke government which is pro- gang & pro-criminals.

Wokester is called the Lantern - ‘Bright but needs carrying.’

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/127801879/nzs-top-cop-who-is-andrew-coster-the-man-struggling-to-deal-with-the-parliament-protests

nztx

20-02-2022, 11:12 AM

Labour's Deputy Leader of Filth in the Govt Seats stars here:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/editorial-river-of-genuine-fascism-an-extraordinary-warning/CMGJGMY7M5FQTGHHNMNUWUUEYY/

Deputy Leader of the House Michael Wood issued a warning to colleagues offering support to protesters outside Parliament this week, declaring a "river of filth" flows beneath the party atmosphere outside.

So this is what Labour think of all Kiwis - including those outside Parliament ? ;)

Wood & Mallard need to grow a pair and wake up :)

Many Kiwi's will be starting to wonder if the Real Filth / Scum is in the Govt seats inside the Beehive :)

Thanks for the Clarification - Michael Wood

Should we assume WOOD = THICK PLANK = NO CLUES = IDIOT ? ;)

After all if your lot had been awake and ENGAGED then there wouldn't be a fraction of the problem
or issue that is now present and likely to grow further :)

nztx

20-02-2022, 11:52 AM

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300521107/plans-to-erect-parliamentary-fence-as-protest-lingers

Plans to erect Parliamentary fence, as protest lingers

The Labour Government's version of BUILD A WALL ? ;)

bound to go well :)

Who's paying ? :)

Nothing like keeping the 'River of Filth' hiding inside contained away from the greater population..

westerly

20-02-2022, 11:53 AM

nztx

20-02-2022, 11:58 AM

Your obsession with icons is confusing your ability to write understandable posts.

westerly

No confusion here - it's rumoured that there's a whole camp of confused individuals in a central
Wellington Building though - when they can be bothered turning up :)

nztx

20-02-2022, 01:41 PM

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-parliament-protest-state-of-emergency-could-bolster-police-power-commissioner/Q32G7Q2FE53H2RJFJS5DBM5TMY/

STATE OF EMERGENCY needed to Remove Confused Politicians from Beehive

We thought as much :)

Couldn't they just jump out of the highest window and save the extra bother ?

But alas NZH appear to run a different Headline for this:

Covid 19 Omicron Parliament protest: State of emergency could bolster police power - Commissioner

Panda-NZ-

20-02-2022, 01:45 PM

Bring on 2023.

The Wokester in charge of NZ police - put in place by a woke government which is pro- gang & pro-criminals.

Dave wanted a meeting with some illegal occupiers which includes maori radicals. desperate to stay in the polls.

nztx

20-02-2022, 01:53 PM

Dave wanted a meeting with some illegal occupiers which includes maori radicals. desperate to stay in the polls.

Edit: The Wrong Dave :)

Pandas should be more precise on who they are referring to :)

STr

20-02-2022, 01:55 PM

nztx

20-02-2022, 01:58 PM

Am I reading the latest news correct? You can get a RAT test in Auckland now if you have a sniffle, but if you are a small business desperate to keep trading you have to put our staff in isolation, with no access to RAT tests, just in case? Surely I have misread.

It seems so:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-record-2552-new-cases-100-in-hospital-rats-for-auckland-cases/CSP44OPE3LWI2MUQZDQWMXZICY/

There are 2522 new Covid cases today and 100 people in hospital - both new records.

Health officials say people needing a test in Auckland may be given a rapid antigen test from tomorrow to save PCR testing for those who need it most.

Now everyone can see where the Hijacked RAT's are going

Why weren't they deployed earlier ?

How about the other regions - Labour / Health Authorities ? - Too hard ?

Should we expect any answers from Little, Hipkins & Ardern or the Health Authorities on this
instalment of further poor planning & gross incompetence ?

Time to close the Auckland Gates to the rest of NZ yet again to put some control on the spread IMO

Love it or Hate It - the consequences the other way could be far worse if the Govt Clowns continue
to sit on their hands fast asleep .. :)

Balance

20-02-2022, 01:58 PM

Dave wanted a meeting with some illegal occupiers which includes maori radicals. desperate to stay in the polls.

Another dumb lie from our resident Labour shill & pathological liar - Dave does not need 5%.

I am enjoying this tremendously - this Labour liar getting more desperate as Cindy plummets toward the abyss.

Panda-NZ-

20-02-2022, 02:04 PM

Another dumb lie from our resident Labour shill & pathological liar - Dave does not need 5%.

I am enjoying this tremendously - this Labour liar getting more desperate as Cindy plummets toward the abyss.

Practice some mindfulness - coming across as enraged all the time isn't great for ones health.

Balance

20-02-2022, 02:11 PM

Practice some mindfulness - coming across as enraged all the time isn't great for ones health.

Coming from our resident Labour liar & shill :t_up:

How about that 5% for Dave & how about Luxon paying no tax? :D

nztx

20-02-2022, 02:15 PM

Practice some mindfulness - coming across as enraged all the time isn't great for ones health.

Are you okay there ? :)

The symptoms seem to suggest most of the remaining cells to be either deceased or on their last legs :)

Balance

20-02-2022, 02:33 PM

Are you okay there ? :)

The symptoms seem to suggest most of the remaining cells to be either deceased or on their last legs :)

There’s little left after the Cinderisation. :t_up:

dobby41

20-02-2022, 03:04 PM

Sometimes these posts just seem like déjà vu all over again. :sleep:

Balance

20-02-2022, 03:17 PM

Sometimes these posts just seem like déjà vu all over again. :sleep:

That’s because this government of spin keeps repeating its mistakes & BS.

fungus pudding

20-02-2022, 03:21 PM

Sometimes these posts just seem like déjà vu all over again. :sleep:

Deja vu 'all over again' seems a bit like deja vu.

nztx

20-02-2022, 03:54 PM

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-parliament-protest-nationals-christopher-luxon-claims-pm-missing-in-action/26J5QPBXNXLUKWEZS7TL64TKBA/

Omicron Parliament protest: National's Christopher Luxon claims PM 'missing in action'

National leader Christopher Luxon says the Government needs to take responsibility for the escalating protests around the country and demonstrate it has a clear strategy to de-escalate.

More than 30 police officers have lined up outside the gate which allows access behind Parliament, in what is believed to be a response to a call from protesters to form a human chain in the area.

The back of Parliament is currently the only open-access way into the building for all of the staff inside.

"The growing occupation of central Wellington includes people showing a flagrant disregard for both the law and other New Zealanders. As the party of law and order, National strongly condemns this behaviour,'' the Opposition leader says.

"But this is a situation entirely of the Government's own making.

nztx

20-02-2022, 03:59 PM

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/karaka-housing-development-land-ready-for-new-homes-cant-get-water-connected/N73ORJHAKJMDH35GPPNJ3Z2PKE/

Karaka housing development: Land ready for new homes, can't get water connected

More than 1000 homes should have been built in a South Auckland development, instead it sits bare and vacant, waiting for water to be connected.

Where is the Government's Housing Muppet - Woods hiding - with this going on ? :)

We know that GOFF is heralding departing soon from his Auckland throne with Cindy
gleefully throwing Congratulations spins far and wide on a job well done ..

Logen Ninefingers

20-02-2022, 06:08 PM

Now that Cindy and Robbo have stuffed NZ, the Panda is hoping a Labour government gets elected in Australia so he can move over there and watch a similar sheet show unfold.

Balance

20-02-2022, 06:24 PM

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/karaka-housing-development-land-ready-for-new-homes-cant-get-water-connected/N73ORJHAKJMDH35GPPNJ3Z2PKE/

Karaka housing development: Land ready for new homes, can't get water connected

Where is the Government's Housing Muppet - Woods hiding - with this going on ? :)

We know that GOFF is heralding departing soon from his Auckland throne with Cindy
gleefully throwing Congratulations spins far and wide on a job well done ..

I know the subdivision very well as our group evaluated a 76 lot subdivision development nearby.

Auckland Council, Watercare & the government were supposed to use some of the $3.8 billion Infrastructure Accelerator Fund to upgrade the water & sewage treatment plants & connections in that area. Agreement in principles were reached and then, for some unknown reason, the government decided the funds would be better used elsewhere!

A freaking mess - council approved subdivisions before infrastructure properly in place.

ynot

20-02-2022, 06:30 PM

Now that Cindy and Robbo have stuffed NZ, the Panda is hoping a Labour government gets elected in Australia so he can move over there and watch a similar sheet show unfold.

The ausi Labour is not a scratch on ours when it comes to wokeism. We do woke better than anyone. And we appear to accept it ..... to a point.

Logen Ninefingers

20-02-2022, 06:44 PM

I know the subdivision very well as our group evaluated a 76 lot subdivision development nearby.

Auckland Council, Watercare & the government were supposed to use some of the $3.8 billion Infrastructure Accelerator Fund to upgrade the water & sewage treatment plants & connections in that area. Agreement in principles were reached and then, for some unknown reason, the government decided the funds would be better used elsewhere!

A freaking mess - council approved subdivisions before infrastructure properly in place.

Hopeless. This government can make announcements, and announcements about announcements, but they can't deliver anything. It's just totally beyond their capabilities.

nztx

20-02-2022, 08:58 PM

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/new-zealand-deported-400-criminals-to-pacific-countries-over-five-years/DD6MTMJOWQHQUCMMMWHEP5ZZTI/

New Zealand deported 400 criminals to Pacific countries over five years

New Zealand's deportation policies are contributing to growing crime and drug addiction problems in the Pacific region, according to a newly released report.

The report shows that from 2013 to 2018, New Zealand deported 1040 people to Pacific nations, and 400 were criminals.

It must be fine to whine and spin from the Eight floor office about 501's being
deported from OZ all the while at same time Govt has sent more back to the Islands :)

The back office Spin Department must be pretty hopeless if they didn't think this
wouldn't come out sooner or later to the surface..

This clearly shows Ardern up as a shallow clueless hypocrite ;)

Bjauck

21-02-2022, 07:39 AM

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/new-zealand-deported-400-criminals-to-pacific-countries-over-five-years/DD6MTMJOWQHQUCMMMWHEP5ZZTI/

New Zealand deported 400 criminals to Pacific countries over five years

It must be fine to whine and spin from the Eight floor office about 501's being
deported from OZ all the while at same time Govt has sent more back to the Islands :)

The back office Spin Department must be pretty hopeless if they didn't think this
wouldn't come out sooner or later to the surface..

This clearly shows Ardern up as a shallow clueless hypocrite ;)
Most of that period was under the premiership of John Key, who was also critical of Australia's deportation of NZers. So what does that make National's John Key?

John Key has 'blunt' chat with Australia foreign minister over deportation
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/72550030/john-key-has-blunt-chat-with-australia-foreign-minister-over-deportation

Panda-NZ-

21-02-2022, 10:57 AM

Now that Cindy and Robbo have stuffed NZ, the Panda is hoping a Labour government gets elected in Australia so he can move over there and watch a similar sheet show unfold.

Already done, $1T in debt with nothing to show.

Most of the conservatives are bald over there (or no hair) which is an interesting observation.

iceman

21-02-2022, 02:29 PM

Someone actually brave enough in a publicly listed company to say it how it is https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/127834209/freightways-warns-labour-inflation-will-push-up-delivery-costs-at-least-6

Panda-NZ-

21-02-2022, 02:54 PM

Employ less people then.. plenty of other jobs available (record low unemployment).

Bjauck

21-02-2022, 04:36 PM

Employ less people then.. plenty of other jobs available (record low unemployment) Pass the Parcel needs more people not fewer, if their delivery times are anything to go by in my experience.

ynot

21-02-2022, 05:25 PM

Arden admits today Omicron not much worse than the flue. When questioned on the possibility of reducing mandates her response was, not yet. Meanwhile those who are mandated out of their jobs due to no jab are experiencing real financial strain. The mortgage still must be paid.
Is this more about not wanting to relinquish power ?
So kind.

Joshuatree

21-02-2022, 05:42 PM

Omicron has to peak first you know that. How much has business been given $5- $6 billion so far? , How many on here have taken it huh? And more to come to help them. If people have decided not to get the vaccine, well they knew the consequences, so selfish and not thinking of their country unless compromised health wise. I say it again , you have to pick your battles.Cut off your nose to spite your face? (Go on the dole then go to Wellington to protest?)Then take responsibility for it. Dont blame others or blame your govt, dont justify taking over a carpark for the disabled. Blame china where covid came from? Blame,blame blame..

777

21-02-2022, 07:22 PM

ynot

21-02-2022, 07:31 PM

Any financial strain is their choice.
What justafiable reason ?
She has admitted Omicron is no worse than the flue.

Blue Skies

21-02-2022, 08:03 PM

What justafiable reason ?
She has admitted Omicron is no worse than the flue.

You need to be really careful when your quoting what other people have said, especially when taking a snippet out of context.

What she actually said was omicron was 'more mild & moderate for most people.'

But she went on to state that still leaves tens of thousands of people whose health may be compromised & may be hospitalised overwhelming the health system.

The other key point she made was, "Covid is in a pandemic state, so the issue is the cumulative impact of people getting it all at once".

Imagine if we lost a significant number of our police force all at once due to illness, or half the nurses or surgeons in a hospital.
Imagine your in a car accident & there's no ambulance available or theres no doctors available in the ER because they're all off sick at the same time.

Jay

22-02-2022, 09:17 AM

What justafiable reason ?
She has admitted Omicron is no worse than the flue.

Can someone tell me how you catch the flue - who is throwing it and they must be reasonably strong and where did it come from, it may be needed come winter - don't want all that smoke inside your lounge do you :)

777

22-02-2022, 09:32 AM

What justafiable reason ?
She has admitted Omicron is no worse than the flue.

The decision to not get the vaccine was before omicron was around. And Delta is still here now. They knew they had to get the vaccine to remain employed but chose not to. So they have no reason to complain. Make your own bed etc.

It is not that hard. Why could you not work it out.

dobby41

22-02-2022, 12:54 PM

She has admitted Omicron is no worse than the flue.

She didn't say that and you asserting it doesn't make it true.

ynot

22-02-2022, 02:25 PM

Can someone tell me how you catch the flue - who is throwing it and they must be reasonably strong and where did it come from, it may be needed come winter - don't want all that smoke inside your lounge do you :)
Fair point. I would probably prefer to catch omi than a flue ! not to mention all that smoke - and mirrors !

STr

22-02-2022, 02:37 PM

stoploss

22-02-2022, 03:47 PM

STr

22-02-2022, 03:57 PM

nice - thank you

Blue Skies

22-02-2022, 04:00 PM

Nice - just got the EMail from the power company - our Daily rate is DOUBLING. Why? Government has determined that Low Power Users shouldn't benefit from actually not using much power - I am sure that is unfair for those with larger families.

I'll just add that to the inflation costs we actually see - vs the garbage 6% we are being told.

It's not strictly correct to blame the govt for this.
It's not the government, its the Power companies & remember these are owned by investors like you & me (well up to you if you want to buy shares in them) Meridian, Genesis & Mercury partially privatised & Contact & Trustpower 100% privatised.

We experienced the same thing (Low power users getting a higher bill).
Obviously there's the power you use plus a charge to maintain the electricity infrastructure i.e. power poles, power lines, linesmen, vehicles, equipment, etc.

Where for example you have a lot of holiday homes, which are empty much of the year, (an example of Low Power users) the electricity company ends up in a situation where they have lots of customers using very little power over the year.
They have to maintain the infrastructure for the area but are not receiving enough revenue from the customers to provide & maintain a safe reliable power system.
Line charges on their own are not enough & are subsidised by power charges.
We used to get power bills for a few dollars a month when the Bach was empty, but obviously we are dependent on hundreds of millions of dollars of infrastructure to provide it.
Either Low Power users have to face an increase, or regular power users would face much higher power bills.
Its a question of averaging out the costs & finding a fair balance.
If you're a Low Power user you're going to think it unfair, if you're a regular power user you're going to think it quite reasonable.

iceman

23-02-2022, 01:04 AM

You need to be really careful when your quoting what other people have said, especially when taking a snippet out of context.

What she actually said was omicron was 'more mild & moderate for most people.'

But she went on to state that still leaves tens of thousands of people whose health may be compromised & may be hospitalised overwhelming the health system.

The other key point she made was, "Covid is in a pandemic state, so the issue is the cumulative impact of people getting it all at once".

Imagine if we lost a significant number of our police force all at once due to illness, or half the nurses or surgeons in a hospital.
Imagine your in a car accident & there's no ambulance available or theres no doctors available in the ER because they're all off sick at the same time.

I actually do not care what she says. She has a completely different view of the world to me and she has done huge and long lasting damage to NZ in my view. She simply has no idea after relying only on people that suit her already made up view such as Dr Bloomfield and Shaun Hendy. They have all been shown up as completely useless. She hates hearing from people that don´t agree with her and that is never good for a leader. Sir Ian Taylor and Sam Morgan are prime examples.

NZ is in a pandemic state and with all the worst yet to come because of a shockingly bad management from an incompetent health ministry and Government for the last 18 odd months. They have been arrogant and totally unprepared for absolutely everything and have learnt nothing from countries that are way ahead of us in dealing with this virus.

Panda-NZ-

23-02-2022, 03:30 AM

It's not strictly correct to blame the govt for this.
It's not the government, its the Power companies & remember these are owned by investors like you & me (well up to you if you want to buy shares in them) Meridian, Genesis & Mercury partially privatised & Contact & Trustpower 100% privatised.

Yep mostly driven by private enterprise - rent, utilities, food etc.

Compared to a lame attempt to blame government spending again.

Blue Skies

23-02-2022, 10:16 AM

I actually do not care what she says. She has a completely different view of the world to me and she has done huge and long lasting damage to NZ in my view. She simply has no idea after relying only on people that suit her already made up view such as Dr Bloomfield and Shaun Hendy. They have all been shown up as completely useless. She hates hearing from people that don´t agree with her and that is never good for a leader. Sir Ian Taylor and Sam Morgan are prime examples.

NZ is in a pandemic state and with all the worst yet to come because of a shockingly bad management from an incompetent health ministry and Government for the last 18 odd months. They have been arrogant and totally unprepared for absolutely everything and have learnt nothing from countries that are way ahead of us in dealing with this virus.

I agree that mistakes have been made, but are you sure it's just the PM who has "done huge and long lasting damage to NZ" and not simply the Covid Pandemic ?
Because the pandemic has done huge and long lasting damage to every country in the world.
There isn't a country anywhere, that hasn't suffered huge lasting damage from the pandemic & if NZ had somehow completely escaped, it would be a miracle.
Yes I agree the MIQ lottery system has been awful, & there have been other missteps, but overall, the outcomes NZ has achieved with one of the lowest death rates in the world are pretty amazing.

I don't agree she relies only on people that suit her already made up view.
In order to get a wide range of sound advice, the govt set up the 'Strategic Covid-19 Public Health Advisory group' made up of 8 top experts in the fields of epidemiology, infectious diseases & Public Health. Remember this was an independent group which would provide advice independent of the govt's own Public Health experts & we already have some top epidemiologists & other specialists working in the health system.
The P.M's Department also set up 'The Policy Advisory Group' a politically impartial group of people to give free & frank advice, with skills & experience in business, law, economic & social policy. Again this is independent of govt depts like Treasury, Crown Law etc.
So although there will be individuals like Sam Morgan & Sir Ian Taylor who disagree with certain aspects of policy, I don't think it reasonable to suggest the PM is just relying on people that suit her already made up view. Dr Bloomfield & Shaun Hendy are just the more visible ones of a very wide range of advisers in many fields.
Obviously Adern prioritises Public Health over Business whereas some world leaders have it the other way round (with disastrous consequences for the population), but keeping people well has proved to be good for the economy.

There's lots of things we could have, should have done better, but the pandemic is the greatest & most complex threat we as a country have faced in our lifetime.
I don't think for one second a National Govt made up of the current MP's would have handled it better, in fact they would have been a disaster.

Zaphod

23-02-2022, 12:39 PM

Nice - just got the EMail from the power company - our Daily rate is DOUBLING. Why? Government has determined that Low Power Users shouldn't benefit from actually not using much power - I am sure that is unfair for those with larger families.

I'll just add that to the inflation costs we actually see - vs the garbage 6% we are being told.

The Clark Labour government introduced this scheme around 18 years ago, but it has been recommended to the current Labour government that the scheme be revoked, as the scheme used high volume users to subsidise low volume users, and this is now viewed as unfair.

This increase isn't just a one off, with the cap on daily user charges rising by $0.30 per annum until April 2026, following which the cap on charges will be removed entirely. The daily cost was projected to rise from $0.30 per day + GST to $1.80 per day + GST at the time this was first discussed, which IMO will be much higher. Power companies overwhelmingly agreed with Labour's proposal to make these changes.

I also note that due to rising energy production costs, labour costs, and various other expenses that the per kWh rate for most providers is also rising, so it will hit consumers very hard at a time we need it the least. With gas network charges set to rise by up to 30% over the next 3-5 years, let alone any changes to the price per kWh or gas, it will become quite expensive to heat the family home.

There was going to be a $5m fund set up those who are the worst affected by theses changes, so perhaps we should all apply just in case?

Blue Skies

23-02-2022, 01:58 PM

The Clark Labour government introduced this scheme around 18 years ago, but it has been recommended to the current Labour government that the scheme be revoked, as the scheme used high volume users to subsidise low volume users, and this is now viewed as unfair.

This increase isn't just a one off, with the cap on daily user charges rising by $0.30 per annum until April 2026, following which the cap on charges will be removed entirely. The daily cost was projected to rise from $0.30 per day + GST to $1.80 per day + GST at the time this was first discussed, which IMO will be much higher. Power companies overwhelmingly agreed with Labour's proposal to make these changes.

I also note that due to rising energy production costs, labour costs, and various other expenses that the per kWh rate for most providers is also rising, so it will hit consumers very hard at a time we need it the least. With gas network charges set to rise by up to 30% over the next 3-5 years, let alone any changes to the price per kWh or gas, it will become quite expensive to heat the family home.

There was going to be a $5m fund set up those who are the worst affected by theses changes, so perhaps we should all apply just in case?

Thanks Zaphod for this interesting background to the current scheme.
You say though the scheme uses high volume users to subsidise low volume users. Isn't it the other way around? Perhaps you could clarify this?
Low volume users are being charged a higher rate than High volume users for exactly the same power, which seems unfair.

Apart from this, the incentive anyway for all of us should be to use less power, not more.

Zaphod

23-02-2022, 04:17 PM

Thanks Zaphod for this interesting background to the current scheme.
You say though the scheme uses high volume users to subsidise low volume users. Isn't it the other way around? Perhaps you could clarify this?
Low volume users are being charged a higher rate than High volume users for exactly the same power, which seems unfair.

Apart from this, the incentive anyway for all of us should be to use less power, not more.

This is a fairly wordy answer to your question, but bear with me as it explains a few of the assumptions made at the time.

The intent of the original legislation was to reward people who conserved power or invested in alternative energy sources such as solar, with an overall cheaper plan.

Maintaining access to the power network for an average urban home far exceeds the low user plan cost of $109.50 + GST PA ($0.30/day x 365), and with network access fees levied by the lines companies to the energy retailers not reduced by this legislation, retailers were allowed to increase the kWh rate slightly to offset the reduced fees collected from consumers.

The framework that regulates unit pricing for power and other factors, resulted in energy retailers being unable to recuperate the losses from the low daily rate user plans via slightly higher unit prices, which has resulted in profitable high volume user plans ultimately subsidising the loss making/marginally profitable low volume user plans. This was partly the intent of the legislation, however I think it is fair to say that the result was not quite what was intended, despite potential issues being singled to government at the time.

It is important to bear in mind that there isn’t a direct correlation between volumes of power used and the relative wealth of a household. In some cases low volume users are more wealthy (smaller family that perhaps use gas, solar, or wind for example) than high volume users (large family in a poorly insulated building). The opposite of this also holds true.

Around 58% of all households are currently subscribed to a low-user plan, however the phase out is supposed to result in 60% of households paying less than they do now. I do not believe this will eventuate.

winner69

23-02-2022, 04:22 PM

Taxpayers Union saying PM should sack this MP for covid non- compliance

https://mailchi.mp/c9de86fadbf5/govt-mp-appears-to-put-politics-ahead-of-community-safety-and-covid-compliance

Joshuatree

23-02-2022, 04:28 PM

I've been told that the tax payers union is one of the group's supporting the protest,havnt been able to verify.,WBOFWhale Oil MK2 also.

fungus pudding

23-02-2022, 04:36 PM

I've been told that the tax payers union is one of the group's supporting the protest,havnt been able to verify.,WBOFWhale Oil MK2 also.

So why mention it?

Joshuatree

23-02-2022, 04:39 PM

Taxpayers Union saying PM should sack this MP for covid non- compliance

https://mailchi.mp/c9de86fadbf5/govt-mp-appears-to-put-politics-ahead-of-community-safety-and-covid-compliance

http://eepurl.com/hVvokb

And now they are apologising for their mud throwing:cool:

dobby41

23-02-2022, 04:52 PM

http://eepurl.com/hVvokb

And now they are apologising for their mud throwing:cool:

A bit of a loss of credibility for them but it is good that they followed up with an apology.
They were a wee bit quick to judge.

Aaron

23-02-2022, 05:50 PM

Blue Skies

23-02-2022, 06:46 PM

Seen the ads for the "toll booth"

Using fear to control the population once again.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/127862114/speed-limit-review-planned-as-waka-kotahi-and-police-launch-road-to-zero-safety-campaign

Im afraid you don't understand how these things work.
Cabinet would have no idea & no more than a passing interest in the content of these latest Road safety TV ads.

Who do you think designs the ads?
It's the Creative Dept in the advertising agency being used, & they are powerful ads.

You appear to be suggesting the PM, Deputy PM & Ministers sit down and write the Creative for Road Safety television advertising. Really....ridiculous!

fungus pudding

23-02-2022, 08:09 PM

Im afraid you don't understand how these things work.
Cabinet would have no idea & no more than a passing interest in the content of these latest Road safety TV ads.

Who do you think designs the ads?
It's the Creative Dept in the advertising agency being used, & they are powerful ads.

You appear to be suggesting the PM, Deputy PM & Ministers sit down and write the Creative for Road Safety television advertising. Really....ridiculous!

He doesn't appear to be doing any such thing. Obviously anyone with half a brain will think he simply means the advertiser is using fear, as other advertisers have done.

Blue Skies

23-02-2022, 08:42 PM

He doesn't appear to be doing any such thing. Obviously anyone with half a brain will think he simply means the advertiser is using fear, as other advertisers have done.

Obviously we don't see things the same way.

This is the Labour Govt thread, not the, Advertising Agencies thread!
Perhaps you haven't noticed but a repeated criticism of the Labour Govt's Covid strategy by certain elements esp at the occupation has been 'using fear to control the population.'

Could be coincidence but since it was posted on the Labour Govt thread I think it reasonable to believe it was intended linked to the Labour Govt and not some random advertising agency.
And the....once again part of the 'using fear to control the population once again,' seems a dead giveaway!

Aaron

24-02-2022, 09:37 AM

Im afraid you don't understand how these things work.
Cabinet would have no idea & no more than a passing interest in the content of these latest Road safety TV ads.

Who do you think designs the ads?
It's the Creative Dept in the advertising agency being used, & they are powerful ads.

You appear to be suggesting the PM, Deputy PM & Ministers sit down and write the Creative for Road Safety television advertising. Really....ridiculous!

No I didn't suggest that, if anything I would guess it would be NZTA softening us up for reduced road speeds which are going to be really annoying and the ads probably won't affect the drink drivers and boy racers but will cower the general population into accepting something that is debateable as to whether it is better or worse for the average person.

Aaron

24-02-2022, 09:48 AM

Obviously we don't see things the same way.

This is the Labour Govt thread, not the, Advertising Agencies thread!
Perhaps you haven't noticed but a repeated criticism of the Labour Govt's Covid strategy by certain elements esp at the occupation has been 'using fear to control the population.'

Could be coincidence but since it was posted on the Labour Govt thread I think it reasonable to believe it was intended linked to the Labour Govt and not some random advertising agency.
And the....once again part of the 'using fear to control the population once again,' seems a dead giveaway!

Fair enough it is a Labour thread and I was comparing the use of fear in the ad with the govts use of fear around covid to get compliance to the rules. I had hoped that once we broke free of the fear of god it would only be life insurance salesman using this tactic.
It is a shi*ty thing to do and it is just something I noticed when watching the ad and I hope it is not going to continue to become more prevalent. I don't like Labour or National they are the same beast with a different name. Other than a flag referendum and a pandemic response, what is the difference between John Key and Jacinda Ardern.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/money/news/poll-finds-majority-kiwis-back-govt-revisiting-capital-gains-tax-but-ardern-won-t-change-position/ar-AAUbDJU?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

p.s. policy wise I mean, things like gender and ponytails do not count.

Joshuatree

24-02-2022, 09:56 AM

The only similarity,connection I can make there is that John Key likes pulling pony tales.

Aaron

24-02-2022, 10:30 AM

The only similarity,connection I can make there is that John Key likes pulling pony tales.

What did John key say about capital gains tax. What has Jacinda said.

What did John key say about national superannuation what has Jacinda said.

If you ask me the reason Labour won over so many National voters is that they went one better with their promises to the boomers and said we will protect you from covid as well. The next generation can pay the bill for it.

Blue Skies

24-02-2022, 11:16 AM

No I didn't suggest that, if anything I would guess it would be NZTA softening us up for reduced road speeds which are going to be really annoying and the ads probably won't affect the drink drivers and boy racers but will cower the general population into accepting something that is debateable as to whether it is better or worse for the average person.

Like you I hope they don't reduce the speed limit, but I didn't see this campaign as part of a strategy to reduce speed limits although I know there has been talk of some in a section of the Napier Taupo road.

The way I see the fear factor campaign being used, is to try and modify risky (driving) behaviour rather than to get people to comply with rules i.e. speed limits.
On the open road, I often see impatient mum's or dads in powerful SUV's etc taking a lot of risks, overtaking where they shouldn't, travelling way too fast in torrential rain, cutting corners not staying on their side of the road etc.

It's hard to modify the behaviour or Drink Drivers & Boy Racers & I don't see this ad campaign being aimed at these groups at all.
They are more likely to be responsive to the chances of being caught & heavily penalised themed ads.

Aaron

24-02-2022, 12:41 PM

Like you I hope they don't reduce the speed limit, but I didn't see this campaign as part of a strategy to reduce speed limits although I know there has been talk of some in a section of the Napier Taupo road.

The way I see the fear factor campaign being used, is to try and modify risky (driving) behaviour rather than to get people to comply with rules i.e. speed limits.
On the open road, I often see impatient mum's or dads in powerful SUV's etc taking a lot of risks, overtaking where they shouldn't, travelling way too fast in torrential rain, cutting corners not staying on their side of the road etc.

It's hard to modify the behaviour or Drink Drivers & Boy Racers & I don't see this ad campaign being aimed at these groups at all.
They are more likely to be responsive to the chances of being caught & heavily penalised themed ads.

Maybe you are right it just seemed a pretty horrific way to go about it especially when people have enough to worry about. This idea that if it saves just one life, it is all worth it doesn't wash with me, if we all have to live in isolation bubbles, wear masks and drive at 80kms everywhere.

Don't get me wrong as far as I can tell the labour govt has been doing the best they can in trying circumstances and it is easy to criticise from the sidelines or in hindsight. They probably handled it as well as or better than any other party might have.

I still think the antivaxxers are selfish retarded f**kwits but maybe they have a point if they would like to see life get back to normal. The RBNZ obviously massively overreacted to the covid crisis maybe the govt is as well now that we know more about the virus.

Baa_Baa

24-02-2022, 01:29 PM

Like you I hope they don't reduce the speed limit, but I didn't see this campaign as part of a strategy to reduce speed limits although I know there has been talk of some in a section of the Napier Taupo road.

There's little need to rely on anecdotal observations or hopes when anyone can actually read the "Road to Zero" Strategy and the Marketing Campaigns and who they're targeting and why.

https://nzta.govt.nz/safety/

Blue Skies

25-02-2022, 12:21 AM

Whatever anyone thinks of the Labour govt or Jacinda Adern, she doesn't deserve anything remotely like the level of vitriol & vile abuse she's getting from a small minority.
People yelling 'you're killing us,' & Jabcinder & Jewcinder at her, while NZ has the lowest death rate from the pandemic in the world by a country mile, is completely irrational & unforgivable.

Over 2 years handling the worst pandemic in over 100 years, there have been some missteps, some things could have been managed better, but am sure she would agree with that & easy to say in hindsight.

Anyway after seeing the appalling vile abuse she has received in the last 2 days on her visit to the South Island, just wanted to say I for one can't help but admire & respect her resolve & steadfastness, especially when you consider, & think about it, she didn't even ask for the job.

Joshuatree

25-02-2022, 12:39 AM

Hear hear.Unfort she is being blamed for managing the country through covid.Yes not perfect but I'm sick of all the Harry Hindsights and all those talking heads telling the govt what to do just before they do it ,then taking credit for it.
I would like the Govt to explain better why it does what it does and when it does it to help minimalise all the horrendous misinformation.

It looks to me like alot of unhappy sadly misinformed haters are struggling with their lives,making some unfortunate decisions and losing their often low paying jobs. The mandates are a necessary thing and until the peak is past we need to stick with it. I agree the divisiveness it's created is a debate worth having as long as it's with science not rabbit hole conspiracy s.

dobby41

28-02-2022, 04:31 PM

So now (from Thursday) vaccinated Kiwis arriving from Aus won't need to self-isolate.
From Saturday they can also come back from the 'rest of world' (brought forward from mid-March).
Expert advice is being sought on removing the need for MIQ for the unvaccinated.
They will look at bringing the other 3 dates (of the 5 step plan) forward.
RAT within 24hrs, 2nd RAT on day 5-6 - if positive a PCR will be required so it can be genomically analysed (to see what varients we have in the wild).

Seems to be done in a considered manner rather than knee-jerk that the opposition follows.

Balance

28-02-2022, 06:17 PM

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1645899949018-DAY8CR6PHK8J0FIR5XUK/Promises.jpg?format=500w

davflaws

28-02-2022, 06:29 PM

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1645899949018-DAY8CR6PHK8J0FIR5XUK/Promises.jpg?format=500w

Tremain returns to business as usual. Every trader knows about reversion to the mean!

Balance

28-02-2022, 06:47 PM

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1645583331761-CFJ7LM653GFJEXJYZBMF/Air+Force.jpg?format=500w

davflaws

28-02-2022, 10:31 PM

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1645583331761-CFJ7LM653GFJEXJYZBMF/Air+Force.jpg?format=500w
Too late! If only we still had the Skyhawks!

BDL

01-03-2022, 06:27 AM

Balance

01-03-2022, 08:22 AM

Too late! If only we still had the Skyhawks!

You are assuming that Clueless Cindy is even aware that NZ does not have a functional fighter jet airforce.

Same Cindy who will not interact with the Parliament protestors because the protest is ‘illegal’ but happily sent in her ministers to negotiate with the protestors at the illegal Ihumatao protest.

Told so many lies she cannot keep up with what lies she has told.

There is only one word to describe such a person like Cindy - shyster.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1634070983728-BKTXGHOGWZAWPD4U5B6C/truth.jpg?format=500w

Getty

01-03-2022, 11:26 AM

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1645583331761-CFJ7LM653GFJEXJYZBMF/Air+Force.jpg?format=500w

The cops would have cleared "us" out days ago, but for political interference.

No long batons, and no tear gas.

Might spoil my image on TV.

Be kind everybody!

dobby41

01-03-2022, 01:31 PM

I'll pop this here since the term 'sheeple' occurs in this thread the most.
These are the real sheeple.
13574

Balance

01-03-2022, 01:55 PM

I'll pop this here since the term 'sheeple' occurs in this thread the most.
These are the real sheeple.
13574

Looks like you, westerly, Joshuatree, panda and the other Labour shills on ST! :t_up:

dobby41

01-03-2022, 02:06 PM

Looks like you, westerly, Joshuatree, panda and the other Labour shills on ST! :t_up:

I was thinking one of them looked like you :t_up:

westerly

01-03-2022, 03:10 PM

Gutless "be kind" Jacinda. She is the biggest con of a politician NZ has ever had. A total fraud.

www.stuff.co.nz/world/300528321/ukrainian-kiwi-says-govt-hiding-behind-united-nations-on-russia-sanctions

"Stephen Hoadley, an associate professor at the University of Auckland, said the Government was hesitant to pass autonomous sanctions legislation because it would expose New Zealand to pressure from allies to place sanctions on countries like China.

“The current legislation shields New Zealand by prescribing a UN Security Council authorisation,” he said."

But she gave 3m to the Taliban.

The Verdict

The New Zealand government has not directly funded the Mongrel Mob, as suggested in the post, however it did allocate $NZ2.75 million to a drug rehab program partly run by members of the gang. The program’s funding did not come from tax revenues as claimed but rather from assets seized from criminals.

The government has not given $NZ3 million in funding to the Taliban. Rather, it has funded two international aid agencies to provide healthcare and help refugees in Afghanistan. This funding is not being administered by or directed to the Islamist group.

Partly False – Content that has some factual inaccuracies.

* AAP FactCheck is an accredited member of the International Fact-Checking Network. To keep up with our latest fact checks, follow us on Facebook and Twitter.

More misinformation from the tin hat supporters.

westerly

Balance

01-03-2022, 03:50 PM

Labour Party SHEEP being driven by Cindy to their ultimate destiny :

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1627811897077-SEA1YCVNXW4GRBHRXPHO/last+words.jpg?format=500w

Balance

01-03-2022, 04:04 PM

Clueless Cindy on the Ukraine Invasion :

“This will be the closest thing to war that my generation and many generations will have seen”

Cindy has lived through numerous wars such as the US-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, attacks on Syria, Lebanon, Libya and Gaza etc. Even in the few days as Russia began its invasion of Ukraine the US launched missile strikes on Somalia, Israel launched a missile strike on Syria and Saudi Arabia launched 37 missile strikes on Yemen.

In Cindy's mind could it be that war waged by the US and its allies isn’t war but that waged by enemies of the US is?

Or is the crucial difference for her the ethnicity of the victims?

Cindy has been spinning for so long that she has forgotten whether she is now going clockwise or anti-cockwise.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1645995942210-EJQKXRINW56QNLJ81A0O/Chowder.jpg?format=500w

westerly

01-03-2022, 05:25 PM

Balance

01-03-2022, 05:45 PM

Gee you are moving way left quoting John Minto, and adding a bit of your own bias.

westerly

Excellent observation from Minto - don’t you think? Or like a sheep, you prefer Cindy’s version of war?

Cindy’s hypocrisy is now beyond question.

What next from the clueless one? The Iraqi invasion (using WOMD as a pretext) was not a war or aggression but a simple conflict?

Ihumatao occupation was not illegal? Selective application of the law is an anathema to our democracy.

She never promised 100,000 homes under Kiwibuild?

Disgusting woman.

Balance

02-03-2022, 07:56 AM

davflaws

02-03-2022, 10:29 AM

Interesting snippet from another forum about Cindy :

“What many New Zealanders do not know about Jacinda Ardern is that before she became PM — she was president of the Socialist youth league at the United Nations.

As president she made the statement “Capitalism has failed the poor people of this world”

There is no doubt Jacinda Ardern is a socialist though she calls herself a progressive it still means the same thing.

A redistribution of wealth in New Zealand is Jacinda and Labours goal where every New Zealander will be dependant on the state rather than the individual through freedom of choice and hard work to make their own way in life.

This should all be concerning to every New Zealander who cherish their freedoms —- but due to covid many have been distracted into a different mindset — their health first and not democracy and freedoms which are under attack.”

No wonder Cindy wants the pandemic to stretch on and on and on - how wonderful for her.

It is good that you are advancing an argument rather than hurling abuse. Clearly the "holiday" did you good.

It seems to me that the guts of the argument you advance above is that the Govt is deliberately prolonging the pandemic in order to distract the population from their real agenda - which is (according to you and consistent with all your previous postings) to create a socialist state where "every New Zealander will be dependant on the state rather than the individual through freedom of choice and hard work to make their own way in life".

You believe that the pandemic has allowed the Govt to advance a preexisting agenda of limiting our "freedoms" with the goal of redistributing wealth.

IMO these arguments don't hang together. The left (and by world standards both our major parties are centrist), but let's say even the centre left, want a more equal society. They believe that a more equal society is better for everyone. I agree with them. But the pandemic has increased inequality and prolonging it only makes things worse.

You also (again) argue that because the PM was once president of a "Socialist" group at the UN and argued that Capitalism has failed the poor people of the world, she wants to install a socialist state which (in your nightmare) makes "everyone dependent". IMO that is nonsense.

I think you would be very hard pressed to find a single member (even of the Greens) who would deny that Capitalism is the most efficient and effective way of producing wealth. The problem is that when unregulated, capitalism produces ever increasing inequality which is bad for everyone. Centrist governments struggle to ameliorate the bad effects of capitalism while preserving it's wealth generating capacity.

I would be a lot more interested in hearing how you think the Govt should do this than reading more of your railings and personal denigration of the PM.

Bill Smith

02-03-2022, 02:42 PM

ardern and her father have something new in common......they both partook in Dawn Raids.

dobby41

02-03-2022, 04:27 PM

ardern and her father have something new in common......they both partook in Dawn Raids.

I don't think Jacinda was there this morning.
Also, nothing like the dawn raids - a silly comparison!

STr

02-03-2022, 04:31 PM

Damn - looks like another $500K slide is needed

stoploss

02-03-2022, 04:37 PM

Damn - looks like another $500K slide is needed
Where was Trevor with his sprinklers when we needed him.....

Balance

02-03-2022, 04:39 PM

Ihumatao.

Why didn’t the police acted as they just have at parliament grounds?

Answer is very obvious.

It’s not about the law - it’s all about the votes.

STr

02-03-2022, 04:41 PM

The public road is still blocked now - you cant drive that way anymore and have to do a detour. But hey, we just all accept that not all protests are the same

winner69

03-03-2022, 07:56 AM

Balance

03-03-2022, 08:33 AM

Looking forward to see the news coverage of the shocked PM looking over ‘our’ desecrated parliament grounds….. followed by a press conference where the playground once stood saying how bad it has been etc etc. true leadership.

Government been lucky the last few weeks that all this has distracted a lot of attention away from how bad the response to omicron has been.

A shambles - that's the only word appropriate to describe the response to Omicron. This government seems hell bent on repeating and magnifying the mistakes of other countries rather than learn from them :

1. The slow response as the government went on holiday while omicron was spreading.

2. Then, the confusing traffic light system which nobody in government seemed to able to explain simply.

3. The RATs debacle - banned until it was too late and the government lying about commandeering the supplies ordered by the private sector.

4. And the latest - insufficient capacity to process PCR tests.

Freaking heck - Clueless Cindy would protest that she only had 2 years to prepare for omicron!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/127921253/covid19-ashley-bloomfield-fronts-over-failure-no-minister-to-be-seen

It was also notable that there was no politician there at the 1pm media conference with Bloomfield, who was effusive in his apology, but not his usual ebullient self.

This Government – and in particular Jacinda Ardern – is happy to take curtain calls and credit for the Ministry of Health’s good work – of which there has been plenty. But when there is a stuff-up the prime minister is very often absent, leaving a junior minister or just officials. Either way, when things go wrong it suddenly seems to be the ministry’s fault. Bloomfield, she said, had “acknowledged what’s gone wrong”.

In response to questions on her way to Question Time on Monday over whether the Government was going to ask the ministry harder questions in future, Ardern demurred, falling back to the tried but true trope that New Zealand had got through the pandemic to date with flying colours.

When pushed she responded that the job now was to “fix those errors and make sure they don't happen again in the future.”

Balance

03-03-2022, 08:49 AM

Fawlty Towers - more revelations on the shambles which is Clueless Cindy's Covid response :

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/i-owe-how-much-sir-ian-taylor-chased-by-debt-collector-for-an-miq-bill/F2P2SSTL4HLYFG6CSARJJGTV3Q/

What exactly was he paying for, he wondered, remembering the comedy of errors during the trial which a fellow businessman described as "like Fawlty Towers". It was worth a good laugh, Taylor reckoned, but not $821.44.

"I will pay the bill once I know what I'm paying for, given that I'm still waiting for the results of the three saliva tests."

Aaron

03-03-2022, 03:17 PM

nztx

03-03-2022, 08:57 PM

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-03/european-markets-wall-street-ukraine-russia-asx/100877498

Petrol creeping closer to $2 a litre in Australia as oil price surges

Oil prices have hit an eight-year high and economists are predicting that the average price of petrol at the pump in Australia will soon reach $1.87 a litre.

The gross retail margin is around 13 cents a litre. So the pump price is headed for 187 cents per litre.

How much do we pay in NZ ? ;)

Balance

03-03-2022, 09:03 PM

Here is something to get upset at. Public Servant(s) should have lost their job over this.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/k%C4%81inga-ora-breached-political-neutrality-standards-commissioner/ar-AAUwTOU?ocid=msedgntp

Not going to happen - Cindy & her pathetic ministers will argue it is yet another unintended consequence of their government using bribes to get votes.

Balance

05-03-2022, 09:47 AM

Notice how quiet and out of sight Gayford has been?

Cindy's cancel strategy to hide her embarrassments & unsavory incidents - this time, appears to be applied to no less that Gayford?

https://7news.com.au/news/new-zealand/new-zealand-pm-jacinda-arderns-partner-clarke-gayford-apologises-after-rat-kit-request-c-5289004

It was of course a huge setback for Cindy's MSM & PR generated false persona of kindness, transparency & accountability when Gayford intervened & revealed the MIQ preferential system for their mates (D J Dimension) :

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1646357012626-Q4RR16R03YWZP62YWB4F/protection.jpg?format=500w

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1631845087037-P157E5Y20OVM451POK2S/lap+dogs+copy.jpg?format=500w

Joshuatree

05-03-2022, 01:21 PM

Nope ,havnt noticed ,lol

dobby41

05-03-2022, 02:01 PM

Notice how quiet and out of sight Gayford has been?

No - he's nearly always quiet and out of sight.

westerly

05-03-2022, 02:06 PM

No - he's nearly always quiet and out of sight.

You don't mean Balance? If only

westerly

dobby41

05-03-2022, 02:15 PM

You don't mean Balance? If only

westerly

That would be a blessing but we must suffer - sigh!

Balance

05-03-2022, 02:17 PM

That would be a blessing but we must suffer - sigh!

Poor Gayford - how he must be feeling being cancelled by Cindy’s mob.

Joshuatree

05-03-2022, 05:33 PM

Picture Unbalance in hell ,being burnt into a Cinda:t_up:

Balance

05-03-2022, 05:56 PM

Picture Unbalance in hell ,being burnt into a Cinda

Devotees of Clueless Cindy - being boiled alive :

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1645995942210-EJQKXRINW56QNLJ81A0O/Chowder.jpg?format=500w

iceman

05-03-2022, 09:40 PM

If this Government has an ounce of the kindness they continuously preach about (but don´t follow themselves), they would change this rule immediately https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/127962232/nearly-800-kiwis-overseas-stripped-of-their-right-to-vote-while-borders-shut

It does not matter that the rule has been in place for 30 years, as for the first time ever, Kiwis have been locked out of their home country and have therefore been unable to maintain links as normal.

777

06-03-2022, 05:28 PM

If people don't want to live in the country then they should not vote.

Balance

07-03-2022, 08:29 AM

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fungus pudding

07-03-2022, 08:35 AM

Be kind to criminal gangs who make life a total misery for law abiding citizens - Cindy & her Maori Mob.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-family-begs-for-relocation-to-escape-gang-terror-at-kainga-ora-development/ECSJ2LOEF7SKSJF6FH74TCLCOI/

Paywalled

My guess is that very few followers of sharetrader have access to Herald articles; those that do have no need for the URL, so I suggest you either paste the article or forget it.

Balance

07-03-2022, 08:48 AM

My guess is that very few followers of sharetrader have access to Herald articles; those that do have no need for the URL, so I suggest you either paste the article or forget it.

Be kind to criminal gangs who make life a total misery for law abiding citizens - Cindy & her Maori Mob.

Gangs allowed to feely frequent housing development, menace & intimidate other tenants and there's nothing the police can do about it.

And Kainga Ora is sticking to its Cindy 'Be Kind' policy - no eviction or transfer.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckla...JF6FH74TCLCOI/

Paywalled

Excerpts :

"A terrified family is begging Kāinga Ora to relocate them to escape violence and intimidation from a Mongrel Mob member living in their street, saying they are "running out of hope and the will to live".

"The father, who was too fearful to be identified, said gang members from Black Power, Killer Beez and King Cobras frequented the housing development and the abusive Mongrel Mob neighbour had threatened to burn down people's homes."

And here's Kainga Ora's answer :

Kāinga Ora Tāmaki Tai Tokerau deputy chief executive Caroline Butterworth said the agency was working to resolve issues at the Weir Lane complex - particularly around increasing the safety of children, including fencing, gates and security cameras.

Anything but removing the gangs from the neighborhood.

Guess why?

kiora

07-03-2022, 09:02 AM

Because they would end up camping at parliament?

Balance

07-03-2022, 09:09 AM

Because they would end up camping at parliament?

Sounds like that's what Cindy is afraid of.

So best the gangs are left to terrorise law abiding citizens while the woke police look on.

The bad press Cindy is getting internationally recently is getting to her - can't have that, can she?

fungus pudding

07-03-2022, 09:24 AM

Because they would end up camping at parliament?

Is that in response to something, or are you simply posting to the mindreaders?

Joshuatree

07-03-2022, 10:47 AM

deleted deleted

A breath of fresh air,keep it up :t_up:

Balance

07-03-2022, 01:01 PM

A breath of fresh air,keep it up :t_up:

Replacing 2 3 lines posting #5390 with #5392, and you like it!

Thanks - you obviously like me writing more so that’s good for all of us in the interest of accountability & transparency.

Bill Smith

07-03-2022, 03:17 PM

Seems the Media Council has confirmed Judith Collins' opinion of susan wiles. Crushers view that wiles is a "big fat liar" is true. (Has the Sioux approved wiles misappropriation of their name?)

davflaws

07-03-2022, 04:18 PM

Balance

07-03-2022, 04:43 PM

MSM’s support of cancel culture in disrepute and brought to light:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/about-stuff/complaints-and-corrections/127946397/media-council-upholds-professors-complaint

Totally disgraceful but typical of how the MSmedia (especially Stuff) has been bought off by this government.

Excerpt :

"The Media Council has ruled that a comment published by Stuff in an opinion column on December 20, 2021 was inaccurate and the delay in publishing a correction was unacceptable.

The column was headlined Academics: Use your mana to aid colleagues, not fight them. The article was a contribution to the ongoing debate that followed “the seven professors” letter to NZ Listener in July 2021, which expressed their views on the value of mātauranga Māori being included in the science school curriculum."

dobby41

07-03-2022, 04:57 PM

Totally disgraceful but typical of how the MSmedia (especially Stuff) has been bought off by this government.

If it were true that they 'brought off' the media then they didn't get value for money given the number of negative articles and opinions that appear in the MSM.
Just maybe this isn't true even though you keep repeating it (a very Trump-like tactic).

Balance

07-03-2022, 05:04 PM

If it were true that they 'brought off' the media then they didn't get value for money given the number of negative articles and opinions that appear in the MSM.
Just maybe this isn't true even though you keep repeating it (a very Trump-like tactic).

Aren't you glad you live in NZ where there are still journeys who cannot be bought off?

A good example of how taxpayers' funds are being used by Cindy to BUY media :

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/the-public-information-campaign-that-cost-4m-and-the-consultants-cost-thats-still-secret/H4FOOA3CBYGCGBMSED5VSG4GII/

"Government officials have refused to disclose the price paid for a controversial communications strategy it commissioned for its Three Waters Reform Programme, which recommended focusing first on "emotive marketing" over a more traditional "information first" public service-style campaign.

The resulting $4 million "public information and education campaign" ultimately failed in its chief aim - to win, through public support, the voluntary subscription of local councils to the Government's reform programme for storm, waste and drinking water.

The paid advertising component of the campaign also prompted warnings from the Public Service Commission that the work was of concern in light of government advertising guidelines that say such work should be done only to fill an "identifiable and justifiable" information need."

dobby41

07-03-2022, 05:19 PM

Aren't you glad you live in NZ where there are still journeys who cannot be bought off?

I have paid for lots of journeys in the past year and have many more to come this year.
It is great to live in a country where journeys are safe.

Bill Smith

07-03-2022, 05:23 PM

Link please

Don't be so lazy. Not hard to find.

Balance

07-03-2022, 05:29 PM

I have paid for lots of journeys in the past year and have many more to come this year.
It is great to live in a country where journeys are safe.

Glad you noticed!

Now insert journos and you have just been enlightened. :t_up:

dobby41

07-03-2022, 05:39 PM

Glad you noticed!

Now insert journos and you have just been enlightened. :t_up:

My bad - I thought you could communicate. :t_down: :t_down:
Obviously, you can't. :ohmy:

fungus pudding

07-03-2022, 05:42 PM

My bad - I thought you could communicate. :t_down: :t_down:
Obviously, you can't. :ohmy:

Neither can you by the looks of that comment.

westerly

07-03-2022, 07:09 PM

Bill Smith

07-03-2022, 08:10 PM

susan has ardern on speed dial and is a most enthusiastic cheer leader for labour, so that's close enough.....for a reasonable person.

Joshuatree

07-03-2022, 08:44 PM

Are you a bestie of whale oil like Judith?

Balance

07-03-2022, 08:49 PM

I have paid for lots of journeys in the past year and have many more to come this year.
It is great to live in a country where journeys are safe.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1634789136442-JLQVWMRUQTW7FKSUERIG/Hitching.jpg?format=500w

Balance

07-03-2022, 10:24 PM

Cindy's promises in 2017 :

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/10/what-labour-promised.html

Reality :

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/housing-affordability/127980775/home-affordability-tumbles-25-per-cent-in-three-months-university-report-finds

"Home affordability declined 24 per cent between August and November, research from Massey University shows."

Cindy has delivered zip, nothing, zero but a housing disaster.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1619975923177-HQPNRC8TEX5MH07H6C4Z/Rodeo%281%29.jpg?format=500w

Bill Smith

07-03-2022, 10:51 PM

Are you a bestie of whale oil like Judith?

Can't say I'm familiar with any whale oils. Caster oil is likely to suit you better than whale oil.

davflaws

07-03-2022, 10:56 PM

Seems the Media Council has confirmed Judith Collins' opinion of susan wiles. Crushers view that wiles is a "big fat liar" is true. (Has the Sioux approved wiles misappropriation of their name?)

But BS won't provide a link and I can't find any evidence either that Judith Collins called Souxie Wiles a liar, or that the Media Council confirmed that opinion.

iceman

07-03-2022, 11:30 PM

No relevance to Labour?

westerly

Directly relevant. Wiles & Hendy are on record, trying to get Auckland Uni to pay for their personal protection, claiming they are social media warriors at the request of the PM´s Office, spouting Government propaganda.

Bill Smith

08-03-2022, 08:01 AM

But BS won't provide a link and I can't find any evidence either that Judith Collins called Souxie Wiles a liar, or that the Media Council confirmed that opinion.

Google "media council wiles" and "big fat liar" collins. (No I won't tell you how to google).

Balance

08-03-2022, 09:38 AM

Google "media council wiles" and "big fat liar" collins. (No I won't tell you how to google).

They prefer to be spoon fed and filled with spin from Cindy & her team of nincompoops.

And we know the MSM is so deep in Cindy’s back pockets that they will not report factual news, just spin and BS from Cindy & her team of Spinners.

Balance

08-03-2022, 11:58 AM

The consequences of Cindy’s failed policies are going to be with NZ for as long as the bare faced lying spinner & her team of nincompoops are in government :

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/462904/housing-crisis-homeless-mother-of-seven-says-she-was-forced-to-pitch-a-tent-during-storm

Baa_Baa

08-03-2022, 12:48 PM

Bill Smith

08-03-2022, 01:51 PM

The failures will linger well beyond Labour's time in government, probably decades in some cases

Agree. And the demolition of the Taranaki O&G industry will be regretted by future generations. (Unless there is a back flip!).

Panda-NZ-

08-03-2022, 01:53 PM

Agree. And the demolition of the Taranaki O&G industry will be regretted by future generations. (Unless there is a back flip!).

Worthless, as we have full employment.

Oil should either be state owned too in my opinion or heavy royalties (not given away for free).

Balance

08-03-2022, 02:06 PM

Worthless as we have full employment.

Oil should either be state owned too in my opinion or heavy royalties (not giving away for free).

Out comes the resident liar panda & spinner.

Panda-NZ-

08-03-2022, 02:07 PM

Out comes sharetraders number one stalker & copy and paster.

dobby41

08-03-2022, 02:09 PM

Out comes the resident liar panda & spinner.

Your own words says it all

Does not matter what I think.

Balance

08-03-2022, 02:18 PM

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1646594748412-T3UQTIGVD5TOS3N1H9JC/promises.jpg?format=500w

Your own words says it all

Yup and from you whose one source of truth is Cindy.

I LoVe it!

davflaws

08-03-2022, 02:21 PM

Google "media council wiles" and "big fat liar" collins. (No I won't tell you how to google).

You could perhaps remind yourself to read the articles you comment on.

I googled the topics you suggest as soon as I saw your original posts. None of the links on either topic say Collins called Wiles a "big fat liar", and none of them say anything about the Media Council confirming that position.

There is a story -from back in Sept 2021, but it isn't the story you apparently think you read. If you will supply a specific link to back your claim that "the Media Council has confirmed Judith Collins' opinion of susan wiles. Crushers view that wiles is a "big fat liar" is true." we can discuss this further, but I think you should probably just stop digging

Baa_Baa

08-03-2022, 02:29 PM

You could perhaps remind yourself to read the articles you comment on.

I googled the topics you suggest as soon as I saw your original posts. None of the links on either topic say Collins called Wiles a "big fat liar", and none of them say anything about the Media Council confirming that position.

There is a story -from back in Sept 2021, but it isn't the story you apparently think you read. If you will supply a specific link to back your claim that "the Media Council has confirmed Judith Collins' opinion of susan wiles. Crushers view that wiles is a "big fat liar" is true." we can discuss this further, but I think you should probably just stop digging

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/451513/judith-collins-stands-by-calling-microbiologist-siouxsie-wiles-a-hypocrite

Subsequently Collins likened her saying to calling someone a bit fat liar.

Media Council ruled against a complaint raise about the article in Stuff

https://www.mediacouncil.org.nz/rulings/stu-dickson-4-against-stuff/

westerly

08-03-2022, 02:29 PM

Directly relevant. Wiles & Hendy are on record, trying to get Auckland Uni to pay for their personal protection, claiming they are social media warriors at the request of the PM´s Office, spouting Government propaganda.

No reference to your statement involving the PM's office in this article.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/shaun-hendy-siouxsie-wiles-file-complaint-against-university-of-auckland/JPIUINTAUXI2TDC3K45JC4IDOA/

westerly

Balance

08-03-2022, 05:25 PM

No reference to your statement involving the PM's office in this article.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/shaun-hendy-siouxsie-wiles-file-complaint-against-university-of-auckland/JPIUINTAUXI2TDC3K45JC4IDOA/

westerly

"The applicants note that they have previously been asked by the (university) and the Prime Minister's Office to provide such commentary ...."

Balance

08-03-2022, 05:36 PM

You could perhaps remind yourself to read the articles you comment on.

I googled the topics you suggest as soon as I saw your original posts. None of the links on either topic say Collins called Wiles a "big fat liar", and none of them say anything about the Media Council confirming that position.

There is a story -from back in Sept 2021, but it isn't the story you apparently think you read. If you will supply a specific link to back your claim that "the Media Council has confirmed Judith Collins' opinion of susan wiles. Crushers view that wiles is a "big fat liar" is true." we can discuss this further, but I think you should probably just stop digging

Seems clear that Wiles did not check her facts before attempting to get on the woke wagon to cancel fellow professors from expressing their professional opinions (which she & the leftists do not like) :

https://www.mediacouncil.org.nz/rulings/professors-kendall-clements-elizabeth-rata-doug-elliffe-garth-cooper-robert-nola-and-john-werry-against-stuff/

"Some reports are said to have suggested Ms Wiles was “attacking” or “cancelling” university colleagues."

" ...... an allegation in Associate Professor Wiles’ opinion column which said: “The reason I got involved is because those professors and fellows have influence and power over people’s careers. Astonishingly, some are now intimidating junior colleagues with lawyer’s letters.”

westerly

08-03-2022, 07:30 PM

"The applicants note that they have previously been asked by the (university) and the Prime Minister's Office to provide such commentary ...."

You are correct, but that does not make them "social media warriors for the Labour Party" being asked to comment on covid.

westerly

davflaws

08-03-2022, 10:00 PM

Media Council ruled against a complaint raise about the article in Stuff

https://www.mediacouncil.org.nz/rulings/stu-dickson-4-against-stuff/

The complainant objected to an article exonerating Wiles and the Media Council found no grounds to uphold the complaint. This is the exact oposite of BS claim.

davflaws

08-03-2022, 10:03 PM

Seems clear that Wiles did not check her facts before attempting to get on the woke wagon to cancel fellow professors from expressing their professional opinions (which she & the leftists do not like) :

https://www.mediacouncil.org.nz/rulings/professors-kendall-clements-elizabeth-rata-doug-elliffe-garth-cooper-robert-nola-and-john-werry-against-stuff/

"Some reports are said to have suggested Ms Wiles was “attacking” or “cancelling” university colleagues."

" ...... an allegation in Associate Professor Wiles’ opinion column which said: “The reason I got involved is because those professors and fellows have influence and power over people’s careers. Astonishingly, some are now intimidating junior colleagues with lawyer’s letters.”

Totally unrelated to BS' claims.

iceman

08-03-2022, 10:43 PM

"The applicants note that they have previously been asked by the (university) and the Prime Minister's Office to provide such commentary ...."

Doesn't really matter. I'm sure westerly, davflaws, dobby et al will still deny it and ask for further proof, even though it's been widely reported on. But probably not on their favourite Spinoff.

Balance

09-03-2022, 09:19 AM

Doesn't really matter. I'm sure westerly, davflaws, dobby et al will still deny it and ask for further proof, even though it's been widely reported on. But probably not on their favourite Spinoff.

But of course - liars & spinners do not like to be challenged:

What happened where?

Balance

09-03-2022, 09:22 AM

You are correct, but that does not make them "social media warriors for the Labour Party" being asked to comment on covid.

westerly

Wiles has openly taken onboard with the woke cancel culture perpetuated by the left & Labour to try & drown the commentaries which they do not like.

Unfortunately she is not as good as her skin mistress and got caught. Try explaining her action any other way?

What happened where?

dobby41

09-03-2022, 12:34 PM

Wiles has openly taken onboard with the woke cancel culture perpetuated by the left & Labour to try & drown the commentaries which they do not like.

Unfortunately she is not as good as her skin mistress and got caught. Try explaining her action any other way?

You are a bit obsessed at the moment (continuously really) but

Does not matter what I think.

Balance

09-03-2022, 01:18 PM

You are a bit obsessed at the moment (continuously really) but

What happened where?

Poor dobby41 - lost in spin & BS.

Balance

09-03-2022, 02:31 PM

Not only is Kainga Ora useless and a major contributor to the housing disaster under Cindy, it is clear that it is not politically neutral.

Insidiously, this government is undermining the foundations of democracy which NZ used to be respected and admired for.

The CEO of Kainga Ora must resign to restore confidence in the agency.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300536398/nicola-willis-asks-for-watchdog-to-reopen-political-neutrality-probe-into-kinga-ora-after-new-email-emerges

Panda-NZ-

09-03-2022, 02:45 PM

Not only is Kainga Ora useless and a major contributor to the housing disaster under Cindy, it is clear that it is not politically neutral.

Other countries don't have a kianga ora, though.

Balance

09-03-2022, 04:10 PM

Other countries don't have a kianga ora, though.

That’s why they don’t have housing disasters like NZ.

Balance

09-03-2022, 04:49 PM

That’s why they don’t have housing disasters like NZ.

If anyone wants to have a look at how a third world country (now first world) successfully built hundreds of thousands of homes for its people, have a look at HDB Singapore.

Puts NZ with Cindy’s promise(dropped and reset) pathetic 100,000 houses to shame.

Panda-NZ-

09-03-2022, 04:53 PM

Building a block of flats or slums is easy.. Nzers want decent homes though.

Balance

09-03-2022, 05:04 PM

Building a block of flats or slums is easy.. Nzers want decent homes though.

Their flats and apartments put the rubbish being built by Kainga Ora to shame.

Every block built with recreational facilities, services (food,healthcare, educational, transport) and parks.

Go to Northcote in Auckland’s North Shore and South Auckland to see the gang infested housing estates being built by Housing NZ.

Singapore flats - 8/10
Kainga Ora flats - 3/10

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-family-begs-for-relocation-to-escape-gang-terror-at-kainga-ora-development/ECSJ2LOEF7SKSJF6FH74TCLCOI/

Balance

09-03-2022, 05:13 PM

Serious words of advice to you, panda-NZ - stop being a ignorant idiot and start doing some research before you morphed into Poto Williams, Phil Twyford or Kris Faafoi.

Panda-NZ-

09-03-2022, 06:15 PM

Their flats and apartments put the rubbish being built by Kainga Ora to shame.

Maybe they can rival the chinese ghost cities and tower hamlets but not much else.

Balance

09-03-2022, 07:14 PM

Maybe they can rival the chinese ghost cities and tower hamlets but not much else.

You really post nothing but garbage - to be expected from a Cindy devotee and Labour shill & liar.

I LoVe it!

nztx

09-03-2022, 07:58 PM

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/127990762/commute-gets-pricier-for-kiwi-drivers-as-russian-invasion-boosts-oil-price

Commute gets pricier for Kiwi drivers as Russian invasion boosts oil price

New Zealand drivers are facing a hike of about $1 a litre in petrol in just three months as nervousness about Russia’s invasion of Ukraine pushes the cost of oil and other commodities sky-high.

Fuel increases in the last year have not been pretty, and things are going to get worse. In most parts of the country the price of 91 octane petrol is over $3.00, is likely to be $3.30 within weeks, and is headed for $3.50, said AA principal policy adviser Terry Collins.

“I went past a price board today and every fuel on it started with a $3. Within a week you’ll be paying $3.50 for 98 [octane],” Collins said.

According to Stats NZ, the average price for 1 litre of 91 octane petrol was $2.45 in the December 2021 quarter, up from $2.00 in the March 2021 quarter.

How much of the hike up (or increased syphon off) goes directly into the Govt & Local Body pockets ? ;)

Will Govt investigate yet again - alleging Huge Profiteering .. or a bit close to Govt bone(heads) sitting in
front row pews responsible in part for excessive syphon-offs ? ;)

Panda-NZ-

09-03-2022, 08:26 PM

You really post nothing but garbage - to be expected from a Cindy devotee and Labour shill & liar.

I LoVe it!

The median wage even in a decent country like south korea is less than the minimum here.

Might be different in singapore but there's a reason many people want to move here.

nztx

09-03-2022, 08:32 PM

The median wage even in a decent country like south korea is less than the minimum here.

Might be different than in singapore but there's a reason many are moving here.

they probably work harder & more diligently .. explains it all :)

Panda-NZ-

09-03-2022, 08:35 PM

South korea is a tech utopia, people living on top of each other (highly efficient).

Though their wages are poor so trickle down hasn't really worked for them.

Balance

09-03-2022, 09:00 PM

https://youtu.be/rB0MdeE5hFE

Too good not to share.

Enjoy!

nztx

09-03-2022, 09:15 PM

Very entertaining :)

Balance

09-03-2022, 09:23 PM

Very entertaining :)

And very true!

fungus pudding

10-03-2022, 08:34 AM

Very entertaining :)

Is that comment attributed to any particular post? If so why not include it - or are you one of those posters who expects everyone else to be a mindreader?

777

10-03-2022, 08:43 AM

Come on fungus , it's not that hard.

fungus pudding

10-03-2022, 09:14 AM

Come on fungus , it's not that hard.

Tis when comments are attributed to some nutter you have blocked. It's not that hard to play by the rules.

Balance

10-03-2022, 09:49 AM

The median wage even in a decent country like south korea is less than the minimum here.

Might be different in singapore but there's a reason many people want to move here.

Cost of living in decent countries like South Korea is so much lower than NZ & quality much better.

Many people want to move here (& to Australia, Canada & US) - from India, Philippines, Pakistan, Pacific Islands, China and African countries.

And more NZers move to Australia every year.

Ever wonder why?

davflaws

10-03-2022, 09:49 AM

Tis when comments are attributed to some nutter you have blocked. It's not that hard to play by the rules.
It would perhaps be useful if you would set out what you believe these rules are. I (for one) have no idea what you are talking about.

Balance

10-03-2022, 09:50 AM

South korea is a tech utopia, people living on top of each other (highly efficient).

Though their wages are poor so trickle down hasn't really worked for them.

Garbage as usual.

You do not see beggars in the streets in South Korea like in NZ & the multitude of social welfare beneficiaries like in NZ.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/cant-afford-a-2-sausage-families-across-new-zealand-struggle-with-basics-as-costs-rise/WFZQTLB3XNKM452B7LHV2BVL7U/

This is NZ today under Cindy - "Families across Aotearoa are struggling to make ends meet as the cost of living rises, and they are being made to make the tough calls over the basics.

In the Northland town of Kaikohe - where a third of households earn less than $30,000 a year - locals described the cost of living as "crazy", "shocking", and "horrible".

fungus pudding

10-03-2022, 10:06 AM

It would perhaps be useful if you would set out what you believe these rules are. I (for one) have no idea what you are talking about.

'Rules' in the loose sense, rather than formal rules, as I am sure is widely understood by most when speaking of or being told to 'play by the rules'. Perhaps for the thick I should have used the similar meaning, common phrase, 'play the game'. Obviously I am talking about convention, standard practise. Most people, admittedly not all, would realise the option 'reply with quote' is there so you can reply with the quote, or the relavent portion of the quote.
Somewhere on this site there is bound to be an explanation or instruction for you to seek out and study.

Panda-NZ-

10-03-2022, 10:22 AM

Cost of living in decent countries like South Korea is so much lower than NZ & quality much better.

How can you say quality is better when they live in boxes and pollution is a large problem.

Life for everyone from millionaires to an actual worker is simply much better in NZ, europe and US.

davflaws

10-03-2022, 11:15 AM

'Rules' in the loose sense, rather than formal rules, as I am sure is widely understood by most when speaking of or being told to 'play by the rules'. Perhaps for the thick I should have used the similar meaning, common phrase, 'play the game'. Obviously I am talking about convention, standard practise. Most people, admittedly not all, would realise the option 'reply with quote' is there so you can reply with the quote, or the relavent portion of the quote.
Somewhere on this site there is bound to be an explanation or instruction for you to seek out and study.

I can be an arrogant prick at times, but I try hard to get over myself and keep it under control. You should too.

So your "rules" are that everyone should quote the posts they are replying to. Some do, some don't, some do sometimes, so I don't think we have any broad consensus on the"rules". This is not the first time you have complained about this. It might be easier to simply unblock the people you have put on "ignore".

Balance

10-03-2022, 01:58 PM

How can you say quality is better when they live in boxes and pollution is a large problem.

Life for everyone from millionaires to an actual worker is simply much better in NZ, europe and US.

Pollution in Korea?

Have you actually been to Korea?

As for boxes, they don’t have tens of thousands of people living in the streets and in emergency housing along with 24,000 (200% more than
2017 and growing) on the housing waiting list like in NZ under Cindy’s affordable housing election promise.

Freaking Cindy & her nincompoops could not even manage to build 5% of the 100,000 houses promised under Kiwibuild. Monumental FAIL.

Balance

10-03-2022, 03:23 PM

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-no-evictions-policy-blamed-for-kainga-ora-unpaid-rent-rise/DAVXRURIBT3VRT5UTOCYKO5654/

Over 10 fold increase in unpaid rents under Cindy’s state housing policies.

And she said yesterday that her government is not wasteful in spending taxpayers’ funds. She obviously forgot about the $56m spent on the brain dead Auckland cycle bridge proposal, $120m marae upgrade program, $65m Pike ‘bring the boys home’ River (not) and $360m special allocation to Maori vaccination program.

Then, there’s the $2.7m to teach the Mongrel Mob how to be better drug dealers.

Balance

10-03-2022, 06:25 PM

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300537848/new-poll-has-national-above-labour-mori-party-holding-balance-of-power

National has overtaken Labour in a TV poll for the first time since the start of the pandemic.

Momentum is all with National while Clueless Cindy looks like she just swallowed some of her own BS and it's spinning in her mouth?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/assets/news_crops/138172/eight_col_RNZD2564.jpg?1644781310

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1600308537899-N9FIVXWQI3F2CLVA94M6/Smiler.jpg?format=500w

westerly

10-03-2022, 07:15 PM

Tis when comments are attributed to some nutter you have blocked. It's not that hard to play by the rules.

You have balance on ignore? most entertaining poster on sharetrader?

westerly

Balance

10-03-2022, 07:22 PM

You have balance on ignore? most entertaining poster on sharetrader?

westerly

From one Labour shill to another :

What happened where?

Balance

10-03-2022, 07:36 PM

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/claire-trevett-latest-poll-a-massive-boost-for-national-and-luxon-and-a-massive-headache-for-ardern-and-labour/OFWRRN6ZH5QZS3DRYIHHXQCAXU/

That is a massive shift in just four months. And once a new leader gets momentum, it tends to snowball as Ardern herself knows. People like to back a winner.

The breakdown of how people voted in that question contained a number that should worry Labour: Luxon had won Auckland. Fifty-one per cent of those in the key battleground of the biggest city had chosen Luxon.

The other worrying thing for Labour is that while Luxon's early ground came from taking votes back from Act, National is now eating into Labour's support as well. The National-Act grouping were a smidgen ahead of the Labour-Green grouping.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1633465514315-DX8KELH27NXLGFNWYBGQ/turnarounds.jpg?format=500w

Balance

10-03-2022, 07:56 PM

In the latest TV1 poll, Labour leader Jacinda Ardern is down 1 point to 34 per cent, almost half of the 62% she enjoyed in 2020.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1592691927653-9R33D7SD2L40AAZ7E1UD/row+boat.jpg?format=500w

Most NZers are now waking up to what kind of leader she really is.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1640045900608-C3KLVP6AU2G0VNQSH571/glove+puppet.jpg?format=500w

westerly

10-03-2022, 08:15 PM

From one Labour shill to another :

And who are you shilling for a shilling ? Don't be scared.

westerlyt

Panda-NZ-

11-03-2022, 05:59 AM

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300537848/new-poll-has-national-above-labour-mori-party-holding-balance-of-power

National has overtaken Labour in a TV poll for the first time since the start of the pandemic.

Momentum is all with National while Clueless Cindy looks like she just swallowed some of her own BS and it's spinning in her mouth?

How great it will be for australia to soon have a govt which looks like australia.

https://www.alp.org.au/our-people/our-people/

We are doing decently here too, currently.

Whereas National has problems there.

Balance

11-03-2022, 09:48 AM

And who are you shilling for a shilling ? Don't be scared.

westerlyt

I am unashamedly anti-Clueless Cindy & her team of incompetent nincompoops who :

1. Have delivered bugger all of the huge promises they made to get into power

2. Are incompetent yet arrogant, using spin & BS instead of facts & transparency to deflect from their failings

But

3. Are pursuing a racist & divisive agenda which they have no mandate from the majority of NZers to implement.

It’s that simple.

I did not vote for National in the last 2 elections.

I have voted for Labour & National in previous elections when their policies made good sense for New Zealand, once a country of doers rather than ever increasing welfare beneficiaries & racist policies under Cindy.

Back to you - Labour shill.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1645995942210-EJQKXRINW56QNLJ81A0O/Chowder.jpg?format=500w

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1636064968113-YAL297KTWCQKLKTY2HZN/Book+Fair.jpg?format=500w

Joshuatree

11-03-2022, 01:18 PM

IThe only arrogance has been from "kiss my arse" balance.:t_up:

dobby41

11-03-2022, 02:05 PM

I am unashamedly anti-Clueless Cindy & her team

That you are.
Rabidly and hysterically so to the point of being unbalanced and unable to reason.
You are very much in the thinking of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'.
But

Does not matter what I think.

Balance

11-03-2022, 03:03 PM

Nothing like a huge drop in the polls for Clueless Cindy to suddenly be accommodating - she is most happy now to meet Groundswell protests leaders!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/128026639/jacinda-ardern-will-meet-groundswell-leaders-after-group-called-racist-antivax

And as usual, this poster is as clueless as Cindy:

What happened where?

Balance

11-03-2022, 03:05 PM

IThe only arrogance has been from "kiss my arse" balance.:t_up:

Here’s your Clueless Cindy swallowing her spin and bowing down to kiss arse:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/128026639/jacinda-ardern-will-meet-groundswell-leaders-after-group-called-racist-antivax

What happened where?

Joshuatree

11-03-2022, 04:10 PM

Great stuff.Thats how to get a meeting, protest without breaking the law.Good for Groundswell good for Jacinda..No good for "kiss my arse" agenda balance.:D

westerly

11-03-2022, 04:28 PM

[QUOTE=Balance;946654]I am unashamedly anti-Clueless Cindy & her team of incompetent nincompoops who :

1. Have delivered bugger all of the huge promises they made to get into power

2. Are incompetent yet arrogant, using spin & BS instead of facts & transparency to deflect from their failings

But

3. Are pursuing a racist & divisive agenda which they have no mandate from the majority of NZers to implement.

It’s that simple.

I did not vote for National in the last 2 elections.

I have voted for Labour & National in previous elections when their policies made good sense for New Zealand, once a country of doers rather than ever increasing welfare beneficiaries & racist policies under Cindy.

Back to you - Labour shill.

"A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps or gives credibility to a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with said person or organization. Shills can carry out their operations in the areas of media, journalism, politics, A shill may also act to discredit opponents or critics of the person or organization in which they have a vested interest."

Seems to describe you fairly well.

westerly

Balance

11-03-2022, 08:20 PM

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSdJdCv8Y/

Cindy cynically telling NZers she is not going to stand aside and allow NZers to be fleeced at the petrol pumps - in 2018 & 2019.

Does this useless woman actually do anything of utility for NZers?

100,000 Kiwibuild homes, she promised.

Eradicate child poverty, she promised.

All spin and zero delivery Cindy.

winner69

12-03-2022, 08:08 AM

PM’s fan club out in force on social media saying NZ Herald gone to the pits blah blah blah by putting up unflattering photos of her

The one in article really got them going

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/political-poll-ardern-labours-plunge-to-luxon-national-world-reacts/W3MWG3BJQSPHOZWI5L3N7JAG7U/

Panda-NZ-

12-03-2022, 08:18 AM

NZ herald was always a bunch of rubbish.

Surprised anyone wants to pay to remove the paywall -- self censorship is fine with me.

Panda-NZ-

12-03-2022, 08:59 AM

More depressing reporting from the herald:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/south-auckland-leaders-angry-over-35-million-cycleway-for-wealthy-inner-city-suburbs/IR45PBOAP35AUYNFGHHMKAWHHA/

Why wouldn't being able to access wealthy suburbs, for free, by bicycle not be a good thing.

Balance

12-03-2022, 10:15 AM

Cindy at her best these days - avoiding answering questions because she is CLUELESS :

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSd1b915K/

As shallow as a pancake.

Balance

12-03-2022, 10:29 AM

Best laugh I have had in months when one of my contacts (card carrying Labour supporter) rang me this morning to ask what Labour can do to turn the polls around.

Their internal polling shows that middle class white female supporters who swung behind Cindy in 2020 are leaving in droves and on current trend, Labour will be lucky to poll 30% in 2023.

So Cindy is going to be personally out canvassing such supporters (in party organized focus groups) over the next few months to find out why they are deserting her and what she can do to regain and retain their support.

I gave my honest and frank opinion that she can start by cutting out the spin and BS first, and then articulate to them why she is pursuing her racist and divisive policies rather than deliver on the huge promises she made to get into power.

Silence from my contact was telling - that's not what Cindy wants to hear.

ROLL ON, 2023! :t_up:

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1638487493997-A6TTQYBAY1OK4CLE8NEB/Bribes.jpg?format=500w

iceman

13-03-2022, 09:54 AM

Blue Skies

13-03-2022, 01:31 PM

So Hipking blatantly lied and made personal information public, despite MFAT advising against it. How low can these immoral Ministers go ? If I remember correctly, those lies that Hipkins spread were repeated on ST threads by Labour supporters attacking the messenger (Bellis) rather than listening to what she had to say . Bloody shameful.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-chris-hipkins-disclosed-journalist-charlotte-bellis-personal-information-despite-mfat-advice/XC26US6Z76J2RGFZKAEAJT7R24/

I think you have to keep some perspective on this, Charlotte Bellis was splashing her personal details widely all over the media at the time, so some would see it a bit rich to rush to outrage over this pretty minor transgression in this specific case. Context is everything in my view.

Then of course you have to remember other politicians & senior National Party operatives are also guilty of this, people like Paula Bennett, Hamish Walker, Woodhouse, Michelle Boag, & there are others, in some cases leaking the personal health details of some patients for political gain.

Not excusing it, but personally I wouldn't get quite so stewed up over it.

Panda-NZ-

13-03-2022, 02:02 PM

Best laugh I have had in months when one of my contacts (card carrying Labour supporter) rang me this morning to ask what Labour can do to turn the polls around.

Simply pull out the quotes from national.

No pay raise this year beceause the rich are doing it tough.
Retirement age to 67.
Up to $10k tax cut for wealthy people by axing the top tax rate, and only a few hundred bucks for the rest.

nztx

13-03-2022, 02:08 PM

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/local-government-minister-nanaia-mahuta-admits-the-two-parts-of-three-waters-she-got-wrong-and-accepts-responsibility/GP5UTQ2LBYIHD7MWX7CEJQPPQA/

Local Government Minister Nanaia Mahuta admits the two parts of Three Waters she 'got wrong', and accepts responsibility

How long does Mahoota expect to be a Minister with any portfolios ? ;)

She has a few portfolios, including sleepy old Peters' former stomping ground - Foreign Affairs
where the most intelligent noises heard was when the occupant of the chair was asleep snoring.
Possibly no different now either..

Probably not doing a very grand job on any of them either ? ;)

It would be a tight race to determine whether Megan Wood is faring any better fumbling
her portfolios.

westerly

13-03-2022, 02:40 PM

[QUOTE=Balance;946775]Best laugh I have had in months when one of my contacts (card carrying Labour supporter) rang me this morning to ask what Labour can do to turn the polls around.

Silence from my contact was telling - that's not what Cindy wants to hear.

Pull the other one, no one from the Labour Party would knowingly contact you.

westerly

winner69

13-03-2022, 03:15 PM

What Labour loyalist say on social -

There is no doubt that @NanaiaMahuta is on top of her game in Foreign Affairs @NZQandA, Local Government and Three Waters and the need for reform. Vastly different portfolios and she has mastered all. Any attacks on Mahuta are rooted on racism

777

13-03-2022, 03:25 PM

Simply pull out the quotes from national.

Up to $10k tax cut for wealthy people by axing the top tax rate, and only a few hundred bucks for the rest.

Not axing the top rate at all. It is simply reversing a rate that should not be there. Envy tax by Labour.

Panda-NZ-

13-03-2022, 03:29 PM

Not axing the top rate at all. It is simply reversing a rate that should not be there. Envy tax by Labour.

Better to tax working people with GST.

Labour won an eelction based on it unlike the former.

BDL

13-03-2022, 03:36 PM

[QUOTE=winner69;946881]What Labour loyalist say on social -

There is no doubt that @NanaiaMahuta is on top of her game in Foreign Affairs @NZQandA, Local Government and Three Waters and the need for reform. Vastly different portfolios and she has mastered all. Any attacks on Mahuta are rooted on racism[/QUOTE

I must definitely be racist then, because Mahoota is an apology for a minister if ever I saw one. Embarrassing representation of NZ overseas as she struggles to just walk properly....
She looks like part of some long lost tribe from down under.

Yip, I definitely need locking up by Jacinda's communist woke brigade.