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Logen Ninefingers
06-08-2021, 10:19 AM
And Geoff Bascand must go as well!

Orr was appointed to the top job by an incompentent government who wanted a pliant toadie in the role.

He has shown he does not have the requisite skill or judgement to handle the role.

He has been distracted by cultural flim-flam and a desire to please his political masters. The fundamental analysis at the Reserve Bank has been shown to be shockingly poor - again, projections have been warped, seemingly for political reasons.

Orr no longer has any credibility, and neither does his crony Bascand. Weak and overly political leadership at the Reserve Bank, and we all pay for it.

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/111643/independent-economist-rodney-dickens-%C2%A0house-prices-labour-shortages-and-reserve-bank

Independent economist Rodney Dickens gives the RBNZ both barrels, arguing its incompetence in assessing the outlook for house prices and the labour market is so bad it will be a fluke if it makes good OCR decisions

6th Aug 21, 7:02am
by Rodney Dickens

The Reserve Bank (RB) is exaggerating the threats from the housing boom it created to justify expanding its realm of influence beyond what is good for New Zealanders.

The RB and Minister of Finance have announced the plans for more interventions by the RB in the housing market. This is supposedly in the pursuit of “tackling financial stability risks”. However, as was pointed out by ex-RB senior economists, the RB’s initial housing market interventions were based on substandard analysis that overstated the threats. I back their assessment and judgement well ahead of that of the self-aggrandising RB.

The RB has single-handedly driven a housing boom by cutting the OCR excessively and being too slow to reverse the cuts. Instead of doing the obvious and reversing the excessive cuts quickly, the RB is using the boom in house prices it created to justify adding to the dubiously justified interventions. A bit like the RB drawing links between itself and Tāne-mahuta the Māori god of forests and birds, it is trying to make its role unnecessarily grandiose.

The RB is showing signs of being power crazy and the Minister of Finance doesn’t appear to have the quality advice or knowledge to see the dangers of a central bank that justifies decisions on substandard research and has such a poor understanding of the drivers of the housing and labour markets it cannot make quality OCR decisions.

The RB’s incompetence in assessing the outlooks for house prices and the labour market is so alarming it will be a fluke if it makes quality OCR decisions.

How can the RB be trusted to make quality decisions about the OCR when it has a poor understanding of pivotal drivers of economic-inflation outcomes like the housing and labour markets?! The top right chart shows the RB’s unemployment rate forecasts from the last four Monetary Policy Statements. Even in May it predicted the unemployment rate would not fall this year (green line), but it has tumbled.

Criticising the RB in retrospect is easy, but there was information available before the RB produced the forecasts that said the outcomes would be much different to what the RB predicted. The second right chart shows what a useful leading indicator of the unemployment rate was already predicting before the RB finalised the May forecasts. The third right chart shows what the same indicator now predicts for the unemployment rate. I doubt the RB will predict a further large fall in unemployment in the forecasts it releases on 18 August.

The unemployment rate is a useful indicator of the balance of bargaining power between employers and employees. At 4%, it is, in my assessment, below the level consistent with the RB’s inflation target. But it takes a while for an overly tight labour market to filter through to higher wage and core CPI inflation as is covered in the economic reports. It is clear most firms are finding it harder than before Covid-19 arrived to attract and retain staff.

It is similar with the RB’s house price forecasts and this needs to be viewed in the context of the RB itself acknowledging that the housing market plays a big part in economic cycles.

In the November 2020 MPS the RB predicted minor near-term upside in house price inflation followed by a fall back to below average in 2022 (next chart). At the time the RB was finalising these forecasts there was already information available pointing to a much higher outlook for house price inflation.

The chart below shows the REINZ information that was available prior to the forecasts in the chart above being finalised. House sales had surged to above the pre-Covid-19 level, pointing to much higher near-term house price inflation. In addition, the fall in interest rates pointed to further upside for the number of house sales over the next four months (2nd chart below). Add a super low stock of property for sale – top right chart – and it was clear that the housing demand-supply balance was supercharged.


The chart below shows the number of house sales reported by REINZ relative to the number of for-sale listings on www.realestate.co.nz available to the RB when it prepared the house price inflation forecasts in the adjacent chart. The number of sales largely reflects demand, while listings measure supply. The same story emerges when sales are compared to the median number of days properties were taking to sell (2nd chart below that again shows the info available prior to the November 2020 MPS).


It does not take rocket science to forecast the near-term outlooks for the unemployment rate and house price inflation, just sound analysis of the drivers and use of the most useful leading indicators. Equally it does not take hindsight to expose the low quality of the RB’s forecasts for critical bits of the economy. If the RB had a robust approach to forecasting (and making OCR decisions) that included taking account of the most up-to-date, relevant indicators it would not have produced the hugely inaccurate forecasts it did in November (and more generally).

How can it make such incompetent forecasts? Based on what I saw in my time at the RB I know why. The forecasts just vindicate the RB’s preconceptions. The RB has an arduous formal process for preparing the forecasts but along the way they get amended to fit the preconceptions of the overseers (overlords). The RB indulges in a rigorous process that is flawed to the extent it would be funny if it wasn’t for the damage the resulting OCR decisions can have.

You cannot rely on the bank economists to warn you when the RB is making a huge mistake because they are no better.

You don’t have to think back long to remember the bank economists predicted falling house prices, a negative OCR and protracted low interest rates. An example is ANZ’s November 2020 forecasts for the OCR that was supposed to stay at 0.25% until at least September 2022 while the unemployment rate was not supposed to fall to as low as the 4% reported for the 2021 June quarter even by December 2022. I have highlighted the forecasts by ANZ’s economists because they were the worst when it came to predicting falling house prices.

Despite holding somewhat different views at times, the bank economists have in general been as bad as the RB in the inaccuracy of key forecasts especially since the advent of Covid-19, but even before then. The chart below shows what the economists of the four major banks were on average forecasting for the NZ average house price in May 2020, August 2020, October 2020, January 2021, April 2021 and most recently. In October 2020, for example, house sales reported by REINZ had been above average for four months. Despite this fact, the bank economists on average predicted a near-term fall for the national average house price (light blue line).

The problem is the bank economists’ forecasts are not backed by quality analysis of the drivers nor by an assessment of the demand-supply balance that is critical to near-term price behaviour. The problem runs so deep their house price forecast should be ignored, but there are rare exceptions. The problems with their latest forecasts are covered in the August Housing Prospects report.

The bank economists have been equally wrong with unemployment rate forecasts for the same reasons: lack of quality analysis of the drivers and insufficient use of the proven leading indicators.

The Reserve Bank’s excessive OCR cuts in response to Covid-19 will have a range of undesirable consequences in addition to creating a “wellbeing disaster”.

You know something is seriously wrong when the former chief economist and Chairman of the Board of the Reserve Bank criticise its OCR decisions for creating a “wellbeing disaster”. Arthur Grimes is now a prominent academic economist who I’ve known since university days.

I tend to be non-conventional by choice because the traditional approach to forecasting used by the bank economists is flawed. Arthur is mainstream in a good way. When someone like Arthur is publicly critical of the RB you should take notice.

The RB’s overly stimulatory response to Covid-19 will have other undesirable outcomes as covered in my regular economic, housing and building reports.

TeslaGod
06-08-2021, 10:58 AM
Being brainwashed by mainstream media doesn't help achieve your set goals.

Logen Ninefingers
06-08-2021, 11:07 AM
Being brainwashed by mainstream media doesn't help achieve your set goals.

You believe that - additional to his other flaws - Orr was brainwashed by the mainstrea media as well? Interesting theory. He doesn't immediately strike me as the kind of guy who spends all his time perusing 'OneRoof' but I guess you could be right.

Good thing we have independent economists to point out the massive mistakes that Orr and his cabal have made, as the mainstream media won't touch the story. They seem to have been bought lock, stock, and barrel by the property industry.

FTG
06-08-2021, 11:10 AM
The Central Bank of a country should be a truly politically independent non-profit seeking body, with one objective, and one objective only.

Simply to MANAGE, CONTROL & MAINTAIN STABILITY OF THE MONEY SUPPLY of the country, in a measured & considered manner.

Nothing else.
Not trying to reduce unemployment, not trying to increase or decrease house prices, not trying to influence wholesale & retail interest rates, and certainly not pumping the printing presses!

TeslaGod
06-08-2021, 11:22 AM
You believe that - additional to his other flaws - Orr was brainwashed by the mainstrea media as well? Interesting theory. He doesn't immediately strike me as the kind of guy who spends all his time perusing 'OneRoof' but I guess you could be right.

Good thing we have independent economists to point out the massive mistakes that Orr and his cabal have made, as the mainstream media won't touch the story. They seem to have been bought lock, stock, and barrel by the property industry.
Hi Logan 9 fingers

My apologies if you didn't understand my post

I was saying you shouldn't read click bait media headlines.

When you click on,they get paid by advertising revenue and you most likely wasted 5 minutes of your limited lifespan reading it .

Perhaps reading something to build your wealth may have been a better use of one's time.

TeslaGod
06-08-2021, 11:27 AM
Hi Logan 9 fingers

My apologies if you didn't understand my post

I was saying you shouldn't read click bait media headlines.

When you click on,they get paid by advertising revenue and you most likely wasted 5 minutes of your limited lifespan reading it .

Perhaps reading something to build your wealth may have been a better use of one's time.

And most economist are not independent, especially bank economist.
Everyone has there own agenda.

Logen Ninefingers
06-08-2021, 11:56 AM
And most economist are not independent, especially bank economist.
Everyone has there own agenda.

But this bloke is not a bank economist, he is an independent economist.

It's probably you who spends all you time looking at 'OneRoof'. You clearly don't have a clue. You honestly think that was a 'click-bait' article(?)

You may have a snazzy handle and an avatar of Elon Musk, but I'm not sure your IQ is in the same ball-park.

TeslaGod
06-08-2021, 12:55 PM
But this bloke is not a bank economist, he is an independent economist.

It's probably you who spends all you time looking at 'OneRoof'. You clearly don't have a clue. You honestly think that was a 'click-bait' article(?)

You may have a snazzy handle and an avatar of Elon Musk, but I'm not sure your IQ is in the same ball-park.

The Author of the article profit's from his company having internet traffic directed his way.

So his agenda is money , nothing wrong with that.

One roof is extremely repetitive so I have little interest in it.

My apologies for not having the same intellect as one of the greatest minds in our generation.

winner69
06-08-2021, 01:02 PM
But this bloke is not a bank economist, he is an independent economist.

It's probably you who spends all you time looking at 'OneRoof'. You clearly don't have a clue. You honestly think that was a 'click-bait' article(?)

You may have a snazzy handle and an avatar of Elon Musk, but I'm not sure your IQ is in the same ball-park.

Rodney makes no secret of the fact he once worked at rbnz. He once was an economist at ASB but felt he compelled to push the banks agenda rather than being independent

He went out on his own and makes a living from providing truly independent economic reports and guidance to businesses. Bit of an epert in property and building analysis

I've used and worked with him

Good guy --- and loves pointing out where bank economists and RB governers go wrong.

TeslaGod
06-08-2021, 01:22 PM
Im sure Rodney is a great person and successful businessman.

Although it's so much easier throwing stones when you are no longer part of the committee or the board.

greater fool
07-08-2021, 10:45 AM
The RBNZ is no longer independent. Orr doesn't have the guts to push back on the Minister of Finance's meddling agenda.


https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/finance-minister-and-rbnz-governor-agree-update-mou-macro-prudential-policy

https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/about-us/memoranda-of-understanding/mou-minister-of-finance-reserve-bank-macro-prudential-policy

https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/news/2018/03/new-pta-requires-reserve-bank-to-consider-employment-alongside-price-stability-mandate

https://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/wellbeing-budget/wellbeing-budget-2021-securing-our-recovery-html#section-7

https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/news/2020/06/reserve-bank-welcomes-new-funding-agreement

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-24/n-z-government-forces-rbnz-to-include-housing-in-rate-setting

TeslaGod
07-08-2021, 11:36 AM
greater fool

Totally agree, the government meddling in Central Bank policy is extremely dangerous.

greater fool
11-08-2021, 01:03 PM
The RBNZ is no longer independent. Orr doesn't have the guts to push back on the Minister of Finance's meddling agenda.


https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/finance-minister-and-rbnz-governor-agree-update-mou-macro-prudential-policy

https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/about-us/memoranda-of-understanding/mou-minister-of-finance-reserve-bank-macro-prudential-policy

https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/news/2018/03/new-pta-requires-reserve-bank-to-consider-employment-alongside-price-stability-mandate

https://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/wellbeing-budget/wellbeing-budget-2021-securing-our-recovery-html#section-7

https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/news/2020/06/reserve-bank-welcomes-new-funding-agreement

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-24/n-z-government-forces-rbnz-to-include-housing-in-rate-setting


The Reserve Bank of New Zealand Bill was passed following the third reading in Parliament today. ( 10Aug2021 )

"I am proud to see the passing of this important piece of legislation. Not only does it modernise the more than 30-year old Reserve Bank Act,
the reforms support and protect the Reserve Bank’s independence while ensuring it operates in an accountable and transparent manner," Grant Robertson said.

http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/5/391129

Key features include:

- strengthening decision-making: all decisions other than monetary policy will be made by a board rather than a single decision-maker
with the Governor as a member of the board;

- reframing the financial stability objective to "protecting and promoting the stability of New Zealand’s financial system", which will provide better clarity;

- ensuring operational independence is balanced with appropriate accountability - with changes to update the Reserve Bank’s accountability and reporting frameworks,
such as aligning with the Crown Entity framework requirements for statements of intent and annual reports;

- providing for a Financial Policy Remit to be issued by the Minister, setting out matters to which the Reserve Bank board must have regard;

- changes to the funding model to promote transparency and allow for appropriate recovery of costs, through industry levies and fees;

- providing the Minister with the ability to direct the Bank to maintain a minimum level of capital; and

- providing the Council of Financial Regulators with a statutory mandate to support effective and responsive regulation of the financial system, by facilitating
cooperation and coordination between its members.


https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU2108/S00202/new-foundations-to-strengthen-and-modernise-the-reserve-bank.htm


And, having passed the new rule book, what has Robertson directed the RBNZ to do next week..........??

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/111684/asb-economists-say-reserve-bank-should-consider-starting-lifting-interest-rates-50

The central bank has its next review of interest rates on Wednesday, August 18, and most economists now believe it will raise rates then
- but the general expectation is for a 25-basis-point rise to 0.5%.

............that the RBNZ is frustrated with continued “risky lending” and is going back to the macroprudential tool-shed to find a bigger hammer.
"Ideally it wouldn’t have to. Using interest rates to douse the housing market is cleaner and potentially less distortionary. Making a fast start
with interest rates – whether it’s three 25bps hikes in a row or an initial 50bps – might avoid having to play catch up down the line. With one
eye on Covid, it seems to be the path of lesser regret."

TeslaGod
11-08-2021, 01:53 PM
Most likely a combination of LVRs DTI and possible OCR hikes.

All basically designed to block out the next generation of those wanting to achieve home ownership and prosperity.

None of this will effect me.

Wealth transfer complete.

Sad reality.

greater fool
11-08-2021, 03:27 PM
Most likely a combination of LVRs DTI and possible OCR hikes.
All basically designed to block out the next generation of those wanting to achieve home ownership and prosperity.



https://www.landlords.co.nz/article/976519064/beating-up-investors-with-yet-more-regulations

Finance Minister Grant Robertson and the Reserve Bank have signed this week a new memorandum of understanding regarding macro-prudential policy.
This involves policies the Reserve Bank can implement which will influence bank lending.
Alexander says they include things such as limits on lending as a proportion of core funding from domestic and long-term stable sources, minimum
requirements for the amount of capital needing to be held against certain types of lending, and loan-to-value ratios.
The memorandum gives the Reserve Bank a new suite of tools it has called “debt serviceability restrictions”. These tools include but are not
limited to the following.

Debt-to-income restrictions (DTIs)

The Reserve Bank will be able to limit the debt a bank can extend to a borrower as a ratio of their income, with that debt being measured maybe
as just mortgage debt, maybe as all debt.
In Ireland this ratio is 3.25 times income and in Britain it is 4.25 times income.

Debt servicing-to-income restrictions

The Reserve Bank will be able to force banks to cap the proportion of a borrower’s income which can be allocated to servicing debt.
Banks usually use 30% or thereabouts. The Reserve Bank might make them use something lower like 25%.

Interest rate floors

The Reserve Bank will be able to specify the minimum interest rates banks must use when calculating debt servicing ability.
For instance, a bank might lend at 4%, but the Reserve Bank may require they work out debt servicing costs using an 8% interest rate.
Alexander says for the moment the bank may not feel it is necessary to use any of these tools. And DTIs may be some way off as the banks need to
do some work with their systems and start consultation.
“But monthly debt data continue to show high growth in housing debt of about $3 billion a month.
“The rate of growth in housing debt over the past year has been 11.9% compared with 6.2% one year ago, 6.2% two years ago, and 5.7% three years ago.
“The pace of growth is the highest since early-2008.”

The memorandum, says Alexander, explicitly states the Reserve Bank must implement its macro-prudential policy according to the direction issued by
the Finance Minister on February 25: “The Government’s policy is to support more sustainable house prices, including by dampening investor demand
for existing housing stock, which would improve affordability for first-home buyers.”
“What does all of this mean? To support more sustainable house prices the Reserve Bank is being instructed by the Finance Minister to further
restrict access to borrowing by investors,” Alexander says.
“The chances are high the Reserve Bank will utilise its new instruments in the next 12 months focused exclusively, if possible, on investors.
“The Reserve Bank may tolerate an impact on owner-occupiers generally but will seek to limit any impact on first home buyers beyond that already
set to come now from restricting the lending banks can do to borrowers with less than a 20% deposit.”

Ghost houses
There is another aspect of this to consider, says Alexander.
The Government, and most people, are concerned about the lack of availability of accommodation for many people across New Zealand.
“When that discussion comes up it sometimes goes down a particular path. What about all the empty houses sitting around the country?
“People might throw into the conversation a guess as to how many there are. Then they will throw in a few guesses as to why they are sitting empty
with a frequent conclusion that perhaps people are simply land-banking with a structure happening to sit on the land.”