When Will Hipkins Get Rolled By Grant Robertson & Co?

[Balance]

More to emerge from Hipkins' captain call to scrap the wealth tax and CGT.

Robertson said it was a team decision, Hipkins stated it was HIS call.

https://www.thepost.co.nz/a/politics/350035164/chris-hipkins-stamps-his-authority-labour-and-grant-robertson

"A policy schism between Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and Grant Robertson has broken into the open just months from the general election, as the still newish PM seeks to brand his mark on the Labour Party ....

While Robertson has presented it as a team decision, Hipkins claimed he made the call to resist changes.

“While work was already underway on a potential wealth tax and CGT as part of a tax switch in the Budget I ultimately made the call not to proceed with it,” Hipkins said."

Robertson's mind working overtime on how to get rid of Hipkins :

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Hell hath no fury a woman scorned, they say.

Wait now for Grant Robertson to show his dark side now that all of his cherished socialist schemes have been put to the bonfire by Hipkins - wealth tax, windfall tax and income insurance scheme.

Matter of time when Grant Robertson & David Parker knife Hipkins in the back, just as Robertson did with David Shearer and then, David Cunliffe.

https://liberation.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d75d69e20168eb56d119970c-800wi

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Make no mistake, Grant Robertson is a nasty piece of work when he wants things his way.

This was Robbo back in the days of David Shearer as leader :

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[Balance]

Labour under Hipkins now a do nothing government.

A government which has woken to the fact that it is useless at delivering on any of the grand promises (transformative, Clueless Cindy called her divisive & racist policies) Labour made to get into power.

A government which has squandered the tens of billions of dollars raised on debt and which has run out of ideas and vision what to do next.

So how long before the rabid left wing & the Maori cabal within the party allow the situation to continue? To stand by and head towards inevitable defeat in October 2023?

The knives held by the rabid left must be getting sharper and sharper with the number of leftist initiatives scrapped by this panic-strickened government.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132532160/chris-hipkins-needs-to-tell-voters-what-he-will-do-not-what-he-wont

“This time, though, Labour’s polling is lower than it ever was under Ardern, crashing to 30 percent in the latest public poll.

In an ordinary year this might mean the Government’s MPs and ministers, who are facing the prospect of a very public redundancy, would fight. But if anything defines the government of the past two months, it’s the creeping onset of malaise.”

[Daytr]

Oh this is hilarious.
Grasping at straws & trying to deflect from Luxon's woeful polling numbers.
Robertson could have had the job when Ardern stepped down but didn't want it.

[Bill Smith]

robertson is slightly brighter than chipkins in that he knows he is doing a crappy job as Finance Minister and was likely to be as equally bad as PM. Whereas chipkins, knowing that he had mishandled at least 4 portfolios, thought "hold my beer".

[Balance]

Oh this is hilarious.
Grasping at straws & trying to deflect from Luxon's woeful polling numbers.
Robertson could have had the job when Ardern stepped down but didn't want it.

Tell us about your claim that Labour built 12,000 new state houses in the last 5.5 years - now that's hilarious and desperation!

Grant Robertson knew that he did not have a snowball's chance in hell of winning this year's election as he is so claosely associated with and tied up with TOXIC Cindy.

He thought he could still pull the strings from behind (that's his style - he likes it) but does not expect Hipkins to scrap all of his policies & initiatives:

Income insurance scheme - scrapped

Wealth Tax - Scrapped

Windfall Tax - Scrapped

CGT - Scrapped

What purpose has Robbo left but to knife Hipkins in the back?

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[Daytr]

Tell us about your claim that Labour built 12,000 new state houses in the last 5.5 years - now that's hilarious and desperation!

Grant Robertson knew that he did not have a snowball's chance in hell of winning this year's election as he is so claosely associated with and tied up with TOXIC Cindy.

He thought he could still pull the strings from behind (that's his style - he likes it) but does not expect Hipkins to scrap all of his policies & initiatives:

Income insurance scheme - scrapped

Wealth Tax - Scrapped

Windfall Tax - Scrapped

CGT - Scrapped

What purpose has Robbo left but to knife Hipkins in the back?

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The evidence is clear. Labour has added 12,000 state houses. Being hung up on who built them is the desperation to hang onto your credibility which sadly has never existed. Just like the fabrication of this post.

You cannot scrap a policy if it never existed.
Hipkins should have had the courage to reform tax, Ardern also. The middle ground I think would support a CGT if tax breaks were given to lower income brackets.

National has never displayed any courage at all in the last 20 years.

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National raised GST and put direct taxes on employer contributions to kiwisaver.

Middle to low earners haven't gained a cent from them in decades.

Maybe this time it will be different?

[Daytr]

If by some miracle Luxon does become PM he will be the lowest polling incoming PM by some margin.
I mean has any incoming PM polled at 20% 🤣

Regret starting this thread Balance?
I tell ya, like shootin fish in a barrel. 🤣

[Balance]

The evidence is clear. Labour has added 12,000 state houses. Being hung up on who built them is the desperation to hang onto your credibility which sadly has never existed. Just like the fabrication of this post.

You cannot scrap a policy if it never existed.
Hipkins should have had the courage to reform tax, Ardern also. The middle ground I think would support a CGT if tax breaks were given to lower income brackets.

National has never displayed any courage at all in the last 20 years.

That's not what you asserted - 12,000 new state houses built by Labour. You got caught and tried every which way to spin your way out of your lie. Does not work with us informed posters so don't even try.

Many of the houses as it turned out were existing homes bought from the market - which means that this clueless government was competing with private buyers and driving up property prices (and inflation).

Clueless and useless as usual - that's Labour on housing. 350% increase in state housing waiting list!

But losers like you either do not know that or are too dumb to realise that.

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[Daytr]

That's not what you asserted - 12,000 new state houses built by Labour. You got caught and tried every which way to spin your way out of your lie. Does not work with us informed posters so don't even try.

Many of the houses as it turned out were existing homes bought from the market - which means that this clueless government was competing with private buyers and driving up property prices (and inflation).

Clueless and useless as usual - that's Labour on housing. 350% increase in state housing waiting list!

But losers like you either do not know that or are too dumb to realise that.

Hmmm competing with private buyers in a housing market in decline.... Not so much competition out there at the moment.

So with your astounding logic, National didn't build anything when it was in Government.
Name me one thing National built besides John Key's ego?
One thing.

One thing that Luxon should desperately build is some popularity & trust with the electorate. 😅
Polling at 20% 😅

[stoploss]

Hmmm competing with private buyers in a housing market in decline.... Not so much competition out there at the moment.

So with your astounding logic, National didn't build anything when it was in Government.
Name me one thing National built besides John Key's ego?
One thing.

One thing that Luxon should desperately build is some popularity & trust with the electorate. 
Polling at 20% 
Transmission Gully , national cycleway .Broadband network nationally - how good was that in 2020 under lockdown .

[Balance]

Transmission Gully , national cycleway .Broadband network nationally - how good was that in 2020 under lockdown .

"Political legacies are hard to measure in hindsight, let alone in real time, but John Key's economic legacy can be measured just by looking at what he judges as success - wealth and incomes.
A behind the scenes look at the Prime Minister John Key and Finance Minister Bill English getting ready for Budget 2016 on Thursday 26 May 2016.

Mr Key told his resignation news conference he thought his greatest success was the government's economic leadership in tough times and that the economy was growing, creating jobs and building Budget surpluses.

It is true the economy is growing at an annual rate of over 3.5 percent, which is one of the fastest growth rates in the developed world. The economy created 179,000 jobs in the last two years. It is pumping GST and income tax revenues into the government's coffers at such a rate that Budget surpluses are "hockey-sticking" up, as Mr Key said last week. He said they would be big enough for voters to "have it all" in the form of extra social spending, tax cuts, earthquake rebuilding and debt repayment.

All this economic vigour came after the worst Global Financial Crisis (GFC) since the 1930s, the most damaging earthquakes in our history and, recently, a prolonged collapse in the price of our biggest commodity export. Yet gross weekly earnings are growing at more than 5 percent per annum and have been for almost three years. Unemployment fell to 4.9 percent, the lowest point since Mr Key took office in the fourth quarter of 2008.

The benefits of all that income growth have not been spread completely evenly, but they are being spread more evenly than many think - and more than in most other countries. Income inequality has been broadly unchanged over the last decade. The retention of Working For Families, increases in the minimum wage in line with the average wage and the rise in New Zealand Superannuation in line with average wages has meant pensioners and working families in their own homes have benefited over the last decade. Much of that wage growth was real because inflation has been low, while borrowers have done well because interest rates fell so far and stayed that way for most of Mr Key's eight years."

[Balance]

Meanwhile, Left Wing long time commentator Chris Trotter sets out why Hipkins' captain call is such a disaster for Labour and why Hipkins' days are numbered.

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/07/14/captains-call/

"That the New Zealand Labour Party has meekly accepted the Captain’s Call of its Leader, Chris Hipkins, that his government will not introduce either a Wealth Tax or a Capital Gains Tax (CGT) while he’s the one in charge is deplorable.

Hipkins’ colleagues, Finance Minister Grant Robertson and Revenue Minister David Parker, found it impossible to persuade the Prime Minister that their tax reform plans were a plus, not a minus, for the Labour Party.

When political leaders issue a Captain’s Call, they are effectively inviting their parliamentary colleagues to either back them or sack them. They are signalling that key policies, key decisions, are no longer to be decided democratically by Cabinet, Caucus and/or the wider party; but from above, by the Leader and his/her closest advisors.

This sort of leader, once they have made their “call”, can no longer be persuaded, or outvoted. They can only be deposed.

It was a chance for Captain Hipkins to show his quality and, sadly, he has."

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"Political legacies are hard to measure in hindsight, let alone in real time, but John Key's economic legacy can be measured just by looking at what he judges as success - wealth and incomes.
A behind the scenes look at the Prime Minister John Key and Finance Minister Bill English getting ready for Budget 2016 on Thursday 26 May 2016.


Why was the credit rating cut under their tenure?

What did he do with the asset sale proceeds - where did it go. It disappeared on vanity projects so they could put some stuff on their blue brochures.

[Balance]

Why was the credit rating cut under their tenure?

What did he do with the asset sale proceeds - where did it go. It disappeared on vanity projects so they could put some stuff on their blue brochures.

Yawn.

Questions about credit ratings from the ignoramus Labour peasant panda-nz who wanted Ryman to increase its debts and do a share buyback when Ryman was close to defaulting on its debt burden.

[Daytr]

Transmission Gully , national cycleway .Broadband network nationally - how good was that in 2020 under lockdown .

You missed the point National didn't actually do any of the building,
It's contracted out or bought in etc.
Just like Labour's 12,000 additional state houses that Balance says they haven't built.
Which obviously rubbish.

But yes both Governments were responsible for the projects although most of the building of Transmission Gully was done under Labour.

[Getty]

Hippocritter must never utter the words "get in behind" while Robbo is in the background...

[stoploss]

You missed the point National didn't actually do any of the building,
It's contracted out or bought in etc.
Just like Labour's 12,000 additional state houses that Balance says they haven't built.
Which obviously rubbish.

But yes both Governments were responsible for the projects although most of the building of Transmission Gully was done under Labour.
National signed the contract .
meantine Jacinda promised to start light rail down Domi ion road in her first term .How’s that progressing ?
Can you update me on the Kiwibuild , 100,000 in 10 years , 5 years in must be a few ?

[davflaws]

Hippocritter must never utter the words "get in behind" while Robbo is in the background...

Homophobic dog whistling.

[Getty]

Homophobic dog whistling.

Not at all.

I was simply referring Hippo must not treat Robbo like a dog!

[Balance]

There is no reason now for true leftist voters to back Hipkins and Labour - they stand for nothing except for self-preservation & their jobs.

Principles and vision - out the window and it's now all about repudiating the policies of the last 5.75 years and doing nothing.

Every reason for Robbo & Parker to lead the charge & depose Hipkins.

Wonder how Megan Wood is getting on with her not-so-secret tallying of numbers to get rid of Hipkins?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/jack-tame-three-waters-wealth-tax-is-labour-sacrificing-its-political-vision-to-try-and-win-an-election/6I6LXUAA3BHGHFLWOTOQHXTQSE/

"If you’re only prepared to make popular decisions, then what is the point in leadership?

I’m not remotely surprised by Chris Hipkins’ captain’s call on tax this week. The Prime Minister has made it clear from day one that his absolute priority is winning the election. But I do wonder if somewhere on the ninth floor, at some point, Labour’s strategists find themselves in an existential bind.

If the cost of winning an election means sacrificing your political vision, then what’s the point in winning?"

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[GTM 3442]

Equally important - if not more important - who will do the rolling?

Will it actually be Robertson and Co?

[Balance]

Equally important - if not more important - who will do the rolling?

Will it actually be Robertson and Co?

Nope - Robbo does his knifing from the back as he did with David Shearer & David Cunliffle.
These three have ambitions to be PM - David Parker, Kieran McAnulty and Megan Wood.

Kiri Allan was in the mix but after her latest misadventure, she will be on the sideline for at least another 3 years.

[SBQ]

There is no reason now for true leftist voters to back Hipkins and Labour - they stand for nothing except for self-preservation & their jobs.

Principles and vision - out the window and it's now all about repudiating the policies of the last 5.75 years and doing nothing.

Every reason for Robbo & Parker to lead the charge & depose Hipkins.

Wonder how Megan Wood is getting on with her not-so-secret tallying of numbers to get rid of Hipkins?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/jack-tame-three-waters-wealth-tax-is-labour-sacrificing-its-political-vision-to-try-and-win-an-election/6I6LXUAA3BHGHFLWOTOQHXTQSE/

"If you’re only prepared to make popular decisions, then what is the point in leadership?

I’m not remotely surprised by Chris Hipkins’ captain’s call on tax this week. The Prime Minister has made it clear from day one that his absolute priority is winning the election. But I do wonder if somewhere on the ninth floor, at some point, Labour’s strategists find themselves in an existential bind.

If the cost of winning an election means sacrificing your political vision, then what’s the point in winning?"

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It really doesn't make a different what Labour / Hipkins campaigns for in this election. Lies are lies. When Jacinda campaigned in her election, the media asked what she would do to address the high housing prices. Her response was, "If I was PM of NZ, I would impose a capital gains tax on those owning multiple residential properties" Then a 3 way election victory and within months, she came out on the podium saying, "There will be NO CGT for as long as i'm in politics". Of course you could argue that Winston may have influenced her decision but that's the price we pay for MMP. Now we have Hipkins mirroring the same tune as Jacinda in "For as long as i'm in politics, there will be no CGT or a wealth tax".

What i'm getting at is semantics. A vote for Labour can not be relied on because as Hipkins said, "Our first goal is to win the election", and that's what Jacinda Ardern did by coalition in the past. The real question is will Labour supporters vote for them again despite what is campaigned on, could end up with radically different legislations during their reign of power.

[Daytr]

You guys are in lala land and just trying very obviously but poorly to divert attention away from Luxon's own poor polling.

ACT is keeping National in the race, which is an indictment not only on National's performance but also 15% of the NZ voters who support Seymour's selfish & dysfunctional policies.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132497298/the-clear-omen-that-should-have-national-strategists-rethinking--and-worrying

[SBQ]

You guys are in lala land and just trying very obviously but poorly to divert attention away from Luxon's own poor polling.

ACT is keeping National in the race, which is an indictment not only on National's performance but also 15% of the NZ voters who support Seymour's selfish & dysfunctional policies.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132497298/the-clear-omen-that-should-have-national-strategists-rethinking--and-worrying

I don't understand your post and my previous post is clearly not 'lala land'. They were factual and I know it would be hard for you to accept the lies (or how Labour Party backsteps and never achieved any of the outcomes they campaigned on).

What amazes me is how stupid the Labour Party voters were in how Jacinda lied to them, and come 2nd term election, they voted for her again. I have very myopic eyes so i'm pretty much blind without my glasses. But to see how Labour supporters have been duped is some kind of special blindness if you ask me :O

[nztx]

I don't understand your post and my previous post is clearly not 'lala land'. They were factual and I know it would be hard for you to accept the lies (or how Labour Party backsteps and never achieved any of the outcomes they campaigned on).

What amazes me is how stupid the Labour Party voters were in how Jacinda lied to them, and come 2nd term election, they voted for her again. I have very myopic eyes so i'm pretty much blind without my glasses. But to see how Labour supporters have been duped is some kind of special blindness if you ask me :O


Let's see how stupid they are when they wake up to Labour now leaving them on the large paying end & no lolly scramble or election bribes anywhere to be seen ;)

A tick to get rid of Labour and the greens could be the best free gift the man on the street could deliver back to Labour and clearly in Joe Public's own best interests ;)


Labour - the "Let's Drop Everyone In It" mob of pretenders :)

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There is no reason now for true leftist voters to back Hipkins and Labour - they stand for nothing except for self-preservation & their jobs.

Yes there is, to keep out NACT. So worth it.

Do we want wayne brown style governance on a national level.

[nztx]

Yes there is, to keep out NACT. So worth it.

Do we want wayne brown style governance on a national level.


still better than Labour's ongoing conveyor belt of disgraced Incompetents shot out the side door ;)

the way things are going, they will be wanting to borrow people's garden gnomes to make up front bench numbers soon :)

[nztx]

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[Daytr]

I don't understand your post and my previous post is clearly not 'lala land'. They were factual and I know it would be hard for you to accept the lies (or how Labour Party backsteps and never achieved any of the outcomes they campaigned on).

What amazes me is how stupid the Labour Party voters were in how Jacinda lied to them, and come 2nd term election, they voted for her again. I have very myopic eyes so i'm pretty much blind without my glasses. But to see how Labour supporters have been duped is some kind of special blindness if you ask me :O

Sorry I wasn't referring to you SBQ, but NZTX & Balance

But this is to you. So any politician that doesn't follow through on a something they said once upon a time is a lie? Then they are all liars.
In the first term NZF definitely put a halt to a full CGT.
So instead we got a quazi CGT with the brightline test & the withdrawal of interest tax deductions against investment properties. So it was something & it certainly reigned in the house flippers & speculators. But I to wish she had followed through with it. The polling apparently said they wouldn't elected if the carried through with it. Imo if they had offered something in return I.e a tax break for lower income workers then that may have swung it.

The 2nd term was a resounding victory on the back of her courageous & strong leadership through the pandemic.
I believe she had to go when she did also as she couldn't seem to move on from crisis mode & she either didn't want to or couldn't stand up to the Maori caucus.

But for all the haters out there, they are a bunch of ungrateful weak minded hypocrite ls who sit behind keyboards.

Ardern & her team saved thousands of lives during the pandemic and how many prime ministers can say that. She was a leader for the time & was brilliant in a crisis and she faced many, however like Churchill after WWII once the war was won we needed a different approach.

[Balance]

As Chris Trotter, long time left winger, wrote : "This sort of leader, once they have made their “call”, can no longer be persuaded, or outvoted. They can only be deposed."

Here's one more of Labour's own (ex-advisor to Senior Revenue Minister David Parker) with his scathing assessment of Hipkins' captain call on the wealth tax and CGT :

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300928154/hipkins-sinks-longterm-hopes-of-a-fairer-tax-system

"What has really dispirited them, and probably Finance Minister Grant Robertson and Revenue Minister David Parker too, is Hipkins’ refusal to countenance a CGT or a wealth tax, not just now but at any future date."

" ....... the remainder of Hipkins’ Volley from Vilnius took things to another level. Many have long felt thwarted by former leader Jacinda Ardern’s “not while I am PM” pledge on CGT.

They hoped Ardern’s exit had cleared that roadblock. But Hipkins, it transpired, was not a way around the blockage but an even bigger rock in the road. Furthermore, he tripled-down. Not only did he nix the Budget package, but he is also refusing to countenance reviving it for the election and added a wealth tax to Ardern’s CGT no-go."

"He probably also needs to rebuild damaged bridges inside the party, and not just with rank-and-file activists. Robertson was diplomatic, but his statement that while he backed a wealth tax, he was “a team player” required no translation."

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[nztx]

Sorry I wasn't referring to you SBQ, but NZTX & Balance

But this is to you. So any politician that doesn't follow through on a something they said once upon a time is a lie? Then they are all liars.
In the first term NZF definitely put a halt to a full CGT.
So instead we got a quazi CGT with the brightline test & the withdrawal of interest tas deductions against investment properties. So it was something & it certainly reigned in the house flippers & speculators. But I to wish she had followed through with it. The polling apparently said they wouldn't elected if the carried through with it. Imo if they had offered something in return I.e a tax break for lower income workers then that may have swung it.

The 2nd term was a resounding victory on the back of her courageous & strong leadership through the pandemic.
I believe she had to go when she did also as she couldn't seem to move on from crisis mode & she either didn't want to or couldn't stand up to the Maori caucus.

But for all the haters out there, they are a bunch of ungrateful weak minded hypocrite ls who sit behind keyboards.

Ardern & her team saved thousands of lives during the pandemic and how many prime ministers can say that. She was a leader for the time & was brilliant in a crisis and she faced many, however like Churchill after WWII once the war was won we needed a different approach.


How many largely ignored Covid Patients & mounting toll of continuing Covid deaths are there now ? ;)

Quite a few .. and Labour's mob conveniently dont make mention of that now

Why is that Crisis being ignored by a Labour Goon Show who loved every Crisis they could lay their greasy paws on for mileage .. until the mounting Crisis Toll started showing them up for a clue devoid, talent devoid, shallow mob of nincompoops who emptied the tin and p!ssed it and borrowed billions more up against the wall with nothing to show for it ? ;)

No prizes for seeing who really is in Lala Land and denial mode despite all the telling signs reported daily of a Labour trainwreck in progress once again, with no viable forward plans to extract the wreck out of the deep chasm without "Tax you more' .. Yes Labour - the mob who have landed all right in to it .. now saying they want the loyal to let them back in to have another wallow around in the muck for more of same very little achieved and further destruction .. ;)

Everyone enjoying Labour's Crime wave & paying the hiked up prices for it ? .. Many examples here --
https://www.sharetrader.co.nz/showthread.php?12638-Crimes-in-NZ-reach-new-low-under-Labour/page13


Remember next time out Grocery Shopping, Gasing Up or navigating the vast array of Pot Holes - just who the bunch of incompetent clowns were who allowed things to disintegrate in the disgusting shambles you see around you now :)


Labour - the mob of twits who landed all right in it ;)

[Daytr]

How many largely ignored Covid Patients & mounting toll of continuing Covid deaths are there now ? ;)

Quite a few .. and Labour's mob conveniently dont make mention of that now

Why is that Crisis being ignored by a Labour Goon Show who loved every Crisis they could lay their greasy paws on for mileage .. until the mounting Crisis Toll started showing them up for a clue devoid, talent devoid, shallow mob of nincompoops who emptied the tin and p!ssed it and borrowed billions more up against the wall with nothing to show for it ? ;)

No prizes for seeing who really is in Lala Land and denial mode despite all the telling signs reported daily of a Labour trainwreck in progress once again, with no viable forward plans to extract the wreck out of the deep chasm without "Tax you more' .. Yes Labour - the mob who have landed all right in to it .. now saying they want the loyal to let them back in to have another wallow around in the muck for more of same very little achieved and further destruction .. ;)

Everyone enjoying Labour's Crime wave & paying the hiked up prices for it ? .. Many examples here --
https://www.sharetrader.co.nz/showthread.php?12638-Crimes-in-NZ-reach-new-low-under-Labour/page13


Remember next time out Grocery Shopping, Gasing Up or navigating the vast array of Pot Holes - just who the bunch of incompetent clowns were who allowed things to disintegrate in the disgusting shambles you see around you now :)


Labour - the mob of twits who landed all right in it ;)

Covid is now endemic not pandemic. Labour & the team did their job in protecting the nation until the vaccination rollout and NZs vaccination rates were very high.

What do you propose they do now?
More importantly what are National proposing to do?
I haven't heard Luxon mention Covid.
God help us if National had been in charge when Covid hit, they wanted business as usual.
They wanted to reopen the borders early.
Anyway we rightly so should be moving on from the pandemic.

I don't particularly want Labour retained.
Unfortunately the alternative is just worse and that's saying something.
Labour stuff up, they squander money, they under deliver constantly. I get all of that.
But National, or ACT even more so, don't want to even try to resolve inequality in NZ and it will just keep worsening under an NACT coalition.

I do concede under National they are likely to be tougher on crime, but Labour finally seem to have come around to their failing in this area as well. But just being tough on criminals is only a short term solution that creates longer term issues. There has to be a longer term sustainable plan as well.
Either way I agree the crime wave we have witnessed since the pandemic can't be allowed to continue.

[Balance]

How many largely ignored Covid Patients & mounting toll of continuing Covid deaths are there now ? ;)

Quite a few .. and Labour's mob conveniently dont make mention of that now

Why is that Crisis being ignored by a Labour Goon Show who loved every Crisis they could lay their greasy paws on for mileage .. until the mounting Crisis Toll started showing them up for a clue devoid, talent devoid, shallow mob of nincompoops who emptied the tin and p!ssed it and borrowed billions more up against the wall with nothing to show for it ? ;)

No prizes for seeing who really is in Lala Land and denial mode despite all the telling signs reported daily of a Labour trainwreck in progress once again, with no viable forward plans to extract the wreck out of the deep chasm without "Tax you more' .. Yes Labour - the mob who have landed all right in to it .. now saying they want the loyal to let them back in to have another wallow around in the muck for more of same very little achieved and further destruction .. ;)

Everyone enjoying Labour's Crime wave & paying the hiked up prices for it ? .. Many examples here --
https://www.sharetrader.co.nz/showthread.php?12638-Crimes-in-NZ-reach-new-low-under-Labour/page13


Remember next time out Grocery Shopping, Gasing Up or navigating the vast array of Pot Holes - just who the bunch of incompetent clowns were who allowed things to disintegrate in the disgusting shambles you see around you now :)


Labour - the mob of twits who landed all right in it ;)

Here's Sir Ian Taylor's take on the COVID disastrous response after the initial first lockdown by Clueless Cindy :

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/lunch-with-sir-ian-taylor-the-knight-who-went-on-a-crusade-for-new-zealand/FCPIWAPT5ZDEHE4AWANFNBSYE4/

He’s clearly still scarred by his experience with the Labour Government during Covid and their reaction – or lack of action – over his regular Herald columns that urged Jacinda Ardern to use the “bench” for the “team of five million” by bringing in businesspeople and experts to help advance New Zealand’s response to the pandemic, including safe, innovative methods to reopen the borders faster.

At lunchtime on September 12, we published the first of his columns. It was headlined: “Prime Minister, it’s time to bring on the bench in the fight against Delta”.

Over coming weeks and with more columns, Taylor’s frustrations grew, along with those of a sizeable percentage of Kiwis who were finding themselves locked in or out of New Zealand, unable to see family members for the likes of funerals and other milestone events.

Taylor pushed for proper testing, which, he says, would have not only helped with the border issues but avoided the likes of valuable teachers and doctors being lost to their professions because of mandates. He is not, by any means, an anti-vaxxer: one of his visions was for New Zealand to create a vaccine itself that we could export.

Taylor could not understand why politicians and bureaucrats were either too slow to react, or not responding at all.

“She had a wonderful vision... but in my opinion just totally lacked the skills to make it happen and there’s nothing wrong with that. There are a lot of things I can’t do either.

“You started to see the health [response] had taken over entirely and that was the thing that fired me up.”

He says his overriding conclusion from the Covid response was a lack of leadership.

“Everyone talks about leadership and strong leadership but – and this isn’t an attack – it was easy.

“When you’re in a country at the bottom of the world surrounded by water, the easiest thing to do is lock it, especially if you’re the Government. You just say lock all the doors.

“That’s not leadership, that’s the power you’ve got.”

That approach was right for the first lockdown; by the time of the second, there should have been systems in place to get stranded Kiwis home, he says.

“But instead it was this medical-driven thing that says do not open the border. Those people over there, they’re not Kiwis anymore. You know, they’re all on the waka together except for the ones we left stranded.”

[Balance]

And make no mistake about the Greens & the Maori Party rejoicing in Hipkins' Captain call :

"The prime minister and his inner circle clearly hope they struck the election mother lode by ruling out a wealth tax or a capital gains tax on his watch.

After being taunted over tax, election upon election, they have decided a pre-emptive denial is the best way to neuter National’s most potent attack line.

That may be magical thinking.

The Greens and Te Pāti Māori are doing their best to keep the issue alive, by refusing to pledge fealty to Chris Hipkins’ pledge. They will likely keep that going until the election, given it can fatten their vote at the expense of Labour."

So on election day, expect to see Labour bleed votes to the Greens & the Maori Party - Labour 25%, Greens 8% and the Maori Party 7%.

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[davflaws]

Not at all.

I was simply referring Hippo must not treat Robbo like a dog!

I call bull****. It was Homophobic dog whistling and I don't believe it wasn't deliberate.

[Balance]

Major miscalculation by Hipkins to rule out the envy taxes of wealth and capital gains. Can you hear the knives being sharpened to the chorus of condemnation by opinion leaders?

A sample :

"When Jacinda Ardern ruled out a capital gains tax in 2018 it was a major turning point for her reputation with leftwing activists and opinion leaders. There had been hope that Hipkins wouldn’t go down the same route. So there will be anger with Labour amongst some on the left, and it’s hard to rally the troops for the election campaign when the troops have lost faith in the leadership, or ponder what the point of a re-elected Labour Government is."

"Political journalist Richard Harman writes today that Labour’s decision “infuriates its left-wing base”. Similarly, BusinessDesk’s Pattrick Smellie says “it’s likely that a goodly chunk of Labour supporters will be wild, seeing what Hipkins ditched.”

"Leftwing blogger No Right Turn typified the angry leftwing response yesterday, writing: “Labour, ‘the party of the workers’, has sided with the ultra-rich to f*** over normal people, as usual. But then, should we really expect anything different from a man paid $471,049 a year, who owns three houses? Bluntly, he’s not one of us – he’s one of them. Of course he stands for their interests rather than ours”, and now it’s clear that Hipkins is “not going to offer us anything – just the awful, unequal, rusting status quo.”

https://democracyproject.nz/2023/07/13/bryce-edwards-labour-keeps-the-status-quo-on-tax-but-has-it-shot-itself-in-the-foot/

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/dAQv4CunecNMVRG-Dmw8-nn6f_Q=/1440x860/smart/filters:quality(70)/cloudfront-ap-southeast-2.images.arcpublishing.com/nzme/LSCT6TYQLJDZDDOFNRIMRZFTYE.JPG

[Daytr]

Major miscalculation by Hipkins to rule out the envy taxes of wealth and capital gains. Can you hear the knives being sharpened to the chorus of condemnation by opinion leaders?

A sample :

"When Jacinda Ardern ruled out a capital gains tax in 2018 it was a major turning point for her reputation with leftwing activists and opinion leaders. There had been hope that Hipkins wouldn’t go down the same route. So there will be anger with Labour amongst some on the left, and it’s hard to rally the troops for the election campaign when the troops have lost faith in the leadership, or ponder what the point of a re-elected Labour Government is."

"Political journalist Richard Harman writes today that Labour’s decision “infuriates its left-wing base”. Similarly, BusinessDesk’s Pattrick Smellie says “it’s likely that a goodly chunk of Labour supporters will be wild, seeing what Hipkins ditched.”

"Leftwing blogger No Right Turn typified the angry leftwing response yesterday, writing: “Labour, ‘the party of the workers’, has sided with the ultra-rich to f*** over normal people, as usual. But then, should we really expect anything different from a man paid $471,049 a year, who owns three houses? Bluntly, he’s not one of us – he’s one of them. Of course he stands for their interests rather than ours”, and now it’s clear that Hipkins is “not going to offer us anything – just the awful, unequal, rusting status quo.”

https://democracyproject.nz/2023/07/13/bryce-edwards-labour-keeps-the-status-quo-on-tax-but-has-it-shot-itself-in-the-foot/

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/dAQv4CunecNMVRG-Dmw8-nn6f_Q=/1440x860/smart/filters:quality(70)/cloudfront-ap-southeast-2.images.arcpublishing.com/nzme/LSCT6TYQLJDZDDOFNRIMRZFTYE.JPG

We actually agree on something.
Not sure why you are so worried about what Labour voters think. Or maybe you are just worried about Labour voters full stop.

Luxon 20% 🤣🤣🤣

[Balance]

We actually agree on something.
Not sure why you are so worried about what Labour voters think. Or maybe you are just worried about Labour voters full stop.

Luxon 20% ������

Me worried?

Me most happy!

Me thinkth more and more Labour voters think Hipkins no good - time he goes.

Almost as satisfying as the lie about 12,000 new state houses built by Labour. :D

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[Bill Smith]

Hipkins is polling less than Muldoon did in 1984. (July of election year TV1 data).

[Daytr]

Hipkins is polling less than Muldoon did in 1984. (July of election year TV1 data).

Luxon even less again.

[Balance]

Hipkins is polling less than Muldoon did in 1984. (July of election year TV1 data).

Hipkins at 24% and Luxon at 20% in latest poll. Margin of error 3.1%.

On current trend, the real position is Luxon 23% and Hipkins 21%.

Hipkins has dropped in polling faster in less than 4 months as PM than Clueless Cindy in 2.3 years as second term PM!

To be expected as more and more NZers see Hipkins for who he really is - a nasty piece of political woke.

[FTG]

Preferred PM polls should been taken with a big dose of salt. A subjectively based 'question' will nearly always produce rather meaningless polling results.

History clearly shows that in >95% of preferred PM polls, that the incumbent will gain the biggest share of the poll. This is regardless of who they are, what party they lead and how well or not the voter feels that they have performed. Furthermore, even if the party they lead is polling lower than the main opposition party, history again shows, that the incumbent will still usually poll higher than the opposition leader.

If one wants to extract any sort of meaningful 'value' from 'preferred PM' polls then the best option is to look at the trends printed, over a series of polls. On that basis you can be assured that Hipkins/Labour Party should be worried, very worried.

[Bill Smith]

Preferred PM polls should been taken with a big dose of salt. A subjectively based 'question' will nearly always produce rather meaningless polling results.

History clearly shows that in >95% of preferred PM polls, that the incumbent will gain the biggest share of the poll. This is regardless of who they are, what party they lead and how well or not the voter feels that they have performed. Furthermore, even if the party they lead is polling lower than the main opposition party, history again shows, that the incumbent will still usually poll higher than the opposition leader.

If one wants to extract any sort of meaningful 'value' from 'preferred PM' polls then the best option is to look at the trends printed, over a series of polls. On that basis you can be assured that Hipkins/Labour Party should be worried, very worried.

Exactly. Not that that notorious labour shill daytr wouls recognise though.

[Daytr]

Exactly. Not that that notorious labour shill daytr wouls recognise though.

Funny how you all call me some Labour puppet etc. Does it make you feel better even though it's blatantly incorrect.

I have openly stated I am unlikely to vote Labour this time. I say unlikely as they have only just kicked off their campaign & my vote is policy driven. Serious brave & ground breaking policy unfortunately is absent from both of the major parties.

Someone needs to counter the amount of misinformation, very one eyed and sometimes extreme commentary on here.

Of course preferred PM polls matter. Leaders get rolled on them, so both leaders of the main parties should be worried. But hey that's just a balanced view that I don't expect even of the right wing glee club to take notice of.

[Balance]

Funny how you all call me some Labour puppet etc. Does it make you feel better even though it's blatantly incorrect.

I have openly stated I am unlikely to vote Labour this time. I say unlikely as they have only just kicked off their campaign & my vote is policy driven. Serious brave & ground breaking policy unfortunately is absent from both of the major parties.

Someone needs to counter the amount of misinformation, very one eyed and sometimes extreme commentary on here.

Of course preferred PM polls matter. Leaders get rolled on them, so both leaders of the main parties should be worried. But hey that's just a balanced view that I don't expect even of the right wing glee club to take notice of.

12,000 new state houses built by Labour - only a Labour indoctrinated wokester would fall for that LIE and regurgitate it.

But this from Chris Trotter's latest piece sums up Hipkins' disastrous call on wealth tax best :

"The upshot of all this political caution is that Labour will go into the election with very few achievements to boast of, and with next to no policies bold enough to persuade the electorate to overlook its many failures. Hipkins’ refusal to risk his own and his party’s future on a policy platform that would’ve helped to make New Zealand a fairer and more hopeful country, coupled with his refusal to let the Greens and Te Pāti Māori make the same promises with any credibility, have made the victory of fear and greed a near certainty."

[ynot]

Exactly. Not that that notorious labour shill daytr wouls recognise though.

The NZ woke left have been riding on the coat tails of the current woke wave rippling around the planet instigated by the likes of Soros and Schwab have ignited for their own gains. The Kiwi wave is about to disintegrate.

[Daytr]

The NZ woke left have been riding on the coat tails of the current woke wave rippling around the planet instigated by the likes of Soros and Schwab have ignited for their own gains. The Kiwi wave is about to disintegrate.

Thank you. Case in point of the type of extreme commentary. You can't make this stuff up!
Well actually ynot can obviously. 🤣

[davflaws]

The NZ woke left have been riding on the coat tails of the current woke wave rippling around the planet instigated by the likes of Soros and Schwab have ignited for their own gains. The Kiwi wave is about to disintegrate.

But Soros and Schwab don't really have an option. Since the reptilians from Draco altered their DNA, they need Adrenochrome from sexually abused children to maintain their life force. If they are unsuccessful in their plans to enslave us all they will die!

[Balance]

But Soros and Schwab don't really have an option. Since the reptilians from Draco altered their DNA, they need Adrenochrome from sexually abused children to maintain their life force. If they are unsuccessful in their plans to enslave us all they will die!

Not as good as NZers not having any culture or heritage unless they are Maori or they embrace Maori culture - according to you & your Wokester losers.

[ynot]

But Soros and Schwab don't really have an option. Since the reptilians from Draco altered their DNA, they need Adrenochrome from sexually abused children to maintain their life force. If they are unsuccessful in their plans to enslave us all they will die!
You are right to a point. The Ardernachrome departure has not aided their cause down under. She was far more devious than the rest of Labour put together. Shame she had to make a fast exit.

[Balance]

And here’s David Parker, Revenue Minister, openly expressing his displeasure at Hipkins’ scrapping of the wealth tax.

Obviously doing so to gauge how much support is out there to roll Hipkins.

And like Robbo, he says he is a team player!

Whatever happened to what is said in cabinet, stays on cabinet? :D

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/07/labour-s-david-parker-disappointed-in-chris-hipkins-tax-decision.html

"I am a team member. Everybody knows my position. I obviously was intimately involved in the design of the proposal. My ministry, Inland Revenue, was one of the two ministries that lead and Grant [Robertson] and I did the design work," said Parker.

"I am disappointed in that decision. As is clear from the papers, I supported it. That is life and I am a loyal member of the Labour Party."

He said he had "no current intention" to resign.

[fungus pudding]

And here’s David Parker, Revenue Minister, openly expressing his displeasure at Hipkins’ scrapping of the wealth tax.

Obviously doing so to gauge how much support is out there to roll Hipkins.

And like Robbo, he says he is a team player!

Whatever happened to what is said in cabinet, stays on cabinet? :D

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/07/labour-s-david-parker-disappointed-in-chris-hipkins-tax-decision.html

"I am a team member. Everybody knows my position. I obviously was intimately involved in the design of the proposal. My ministry, Inland Revenue, was one of the two ministries that lead and Grant [Robertson] and I did the design work," said Parker.

"I am disappointed in that decision. As is clear from the papers, I supported it. That is life and I am a loyal member of the Labour Party."

He said he had "no current intention" to resign.

Be a laugh if Parker made it to the top. He'd be NZ's answer to Liz Truss.

[Balance]

Be a laugh if Parker made it to the top. He'd be NZ's answer to Liz Truss.

He is an arrogant prick who actually believes that he has what it takes to be PM.

Remember he stood for the leadership position before.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fu6D0mfaMAAlFAX?format=jpg&name=medium

[Bill Smith]

David Parker is a REAL team player. Ask Chris Knox.

[Balance]

David Parker is a REAL team player. Ask Chris Knox.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politician-linked-to-knoxs-longtime-love/HYVFCTHPSM6TSXYPSKOEMSGQOU/

He was quick to take advantage of the situation?

[nztx]

Labour probably know too well already that Nosey Parker is no better than the useless
sidekick holding crayons out of sight .. How many warnings and removed out back under
a muzzle has this dopey numbskull already received on his recent antics ? ;)

[Blue Skies]

The idea that either Luxon or Hipkins would get rolled at this stage, a couple of months from the election with both parties roughly even in the polls, is absurd, pure fantasy.

If Luxon loses, can't see him wanting to stay & like several of his MP's they will not hang around for another 3 years in opposition, & Willis is ambitious for the top job.
If Hipkins loses, I can't see him wanting to quit or being challenged for leader.

[fungus pudding]

If Luxon loses, can't see him wanting to stay & like several of his MP's they will not hang around for another 3 years in opposition, & Willis is ambitious for the top job.
If Hipkins loses, I can't see him wanting to quit or being challenged for leader.

You're probably right with both those predictions.

[Balance]

Hipkins and Labour getting ever more desperate, rushing out hastily conjured up policies, shooting from the hips now and hitting themselves in the foot and mouth.

Hipkins getting more nervous too as can be seen with how flustered he got when asked about the policy muck-up.

He hears the knives being sharpened.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/07/kelvin-davis-reveals-no-business-case-undertaken-to-determine-cost-timeframes-of-new-youth-justice-policy.html

" Kelvin Davis says a business case still has to be completed to determine the cost and timeframes of a newly-announced youth justice policy."

" ..... the Government failed to answer questions about how much the new facilities would cost or how long the policies would take to implement."

This is after Hipkins muddled up his get tough on crime policy announcement yesterday :

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/07/jenna-lynch-analysis-embarrassing-correction-to-youth-crime-policy-shows-rush.html

But an hour-and-a-half later, the Prime Minister's Office issued a correction saying the Government wasn't creating a new offence and instead it would make encouraging young people to commit a crime an aggravating factor. Judges weigh up aggravating factors when considering sentences. "Embarrassingly the Government hurried this out in such a fluster they mucked up their own policy," said Lynch."

Hipkins talking tough on crime is like a chihuahua growling at a rottweiler. :D

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/portrait-barking-puppy-chihuahua-front-white-background-30246450.jpg?w=576

[iceman]

The idea that either Luxon or Hipkins would get rolled at this stage, a couple of months from the election with both parties roughly even in the polls, is absurd, pure fantasy.

If Luxon loses, can't see him wanting to stay & like several of his MP's they will not hang around for another 3 years in opposition, & Willis is ambitious for the top job.
If Hipkins loses, I can't see him wanting to quit or being challenged for leader.

I think you're right about both, as FP says. Luxon should go if he fails to form a Government after the October election and so should a good chunk of the front bench. Let Erica Stanford and Nicola Willis take over but the crazy fact is that the wokeness and sensitivity we have now in our society is such that they would probably not dare to run with two white women, both from big cities, in the 2 top Leadership positions.
However, the fact that you (and I) believe Hipkins would like to hang on even after being rejected by voters, says a lot about him and how desperate he is. After all he has no skill or experience outside of politics.

For the record, I'm disappointed in National not having Erica Stanford higher ranked but believe she would make an outstanding Education Minister in the next Government. She has put the hard opposition work in and is on top of the issues in my view. She's ready to run with the portfolio.

[Logen Ninefingers]

The idea that either Luxon or Hipkins would get rolled at this stage, a couple of months from the election with both parties roughly even in the polls, is absurd, pure fantasy.

If Luxon loses, can't see him wanting to stay & like several of his MP's they will not hang around for another 3 years in opposition, & Willis is ambitious for the top job.
If Hipkins loses, I can't see him wanting to quit or being challenged for leader.

If Hipkins loses you can’t see him being challenged for leader??

What a bizarre comment.

[Daytr]

I think you're right about both, as FP says. Luxon should go if he fails to form a Government after the October election and so should a good chunk of the front bench. Let Erica Stanford and Nicola Willis take over but the crazy fact is that the wokeness and sensitivity we have now in our society is such that they would probably not dare to run with two white women, both from big cities, in the 2 top Leadership positions.
However, the fact that you (and I) believe Hipkins would like to hang on even after being rejected by voters, says a lot about him and how desperate he is. After all he has no skill or experience outside of politics.

For the record, I'm disappointed in National not having Erica Stanford higher ranked but believe she would make an outstanding Education Minister in the next Government. She has put the hard opposition work in and is on top of the issues in my view. She's ready to run with the portfolio.

Agree re Stanford she seems one of the better Nat candidates.

[Logen Ninefingers]

Blue Skies seeming to admit that Chipkins is ‘as good as it gets’ in the parliamentary Labour party: there is simply nobody with charisma, talent, and ambition to challenge him in the event that he loses the election.

[Balance]

Blue Skies seeming to admit that Chipkins is ‘as good as it gets’ in the parliamentary Labour party: there is simply nobody with charisma, talent, and ambition to challenge him in the event that he loses the election.

David Parker reckons he has what it takes to be leader. Robbo and he will do the knifing of Hipkins to get Labour back on track - CGT, wealth tax, income insurance, more centralisation, more big spending on welfare and more delivery to Maoris.

[Logen Ninefingers]

David Parker reckons he has what it takes to be leader. Robbo and he will do the knifing of Hipkins to get Labour back on track - CGT, wealth tax, income insurance, more centralisation, more big spending on welfare and more delivery to Maoris.

Parker is about as charismatic and talented as a plank of wood.

[Panda-NZ-]

Luxon is like an introductory AI model, which has been trained on data from the 1950's.

[nztx]

Luxon is like an introductory AI model... which has been trained on data from the 1950's.


Strange .. some think someone from Nelson exhibits all those traits in their AI postings on here .. ;)

Probably missing most of the AI advanced upgrades since the start ..

[Balance]

Cannot be any clearer about how Parker (self-proclaimed team player) feels about Hipkins’ captain call on scrapping the proposed wealth tax.

“In other ministerial moves, Hipkins also revealed David Parker has requested to be relieved of his revenue portfolio to focus on transport.”

This is of course after Parker made a liar of himself in April, denying that there was any intention to introduce a wealth tax.

Knife is being sharpened more openly now.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/david-parker-hoses-down-tax-speculation-while-nicola-willis-says-labours-covid-economics-to-blame-for-tax-unfairness/V6WZ5CZ5KBGA7FGIR4UFUKFLXU/

"David Parker hoses down tax speculation, while Nicola Willis says Labour’s Covid economics to blame for tax unfairness."

[nztx]

Oh dear .. thinly diced Chumpies and tossed out crisply burned sausage rolls could be coming :)

[Balance]

Cannot be any clearer about how Parker (self-proclaimed team player) feels about Hipkins’ captain call on scrapping the proposed wealth tax.

“In other ministerial moves, Hipkins also revealed David Parker has requested to be relieved of his revenue portfolio to focus on transport.”

This is of course after Parker made a liar of himself in April, denying that there was any intention to introduce a wealth tax.

Knife is being sharpened more openly now.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/david-parker-hoses-down-tax-speculation-while-nicola-willis-says-labours-covid-economics-to-blame-for-tax-unfairness/V6WZ5CZ5KBGA7FGIR4UFUKFLXU/

"David Parker hoses down tax speculation, while Nicola Willis says Labour’s Covid economics to blame for tax unfairness."

Glad the media is picking up on the rebellion building up to oust Hipkins :

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/claire-trevett-david-parkers-ill-timed-bout-of-principle-on-taxes-delivers-a-headache-for-chris-hipkins/2R5I3YCCKJEM3JLBMLI3STGFEU/
paywalled

Minister David Parker has created quite a headache for Chris Hipkins by asking to be relieved of the revenue portfolio – an ill-timed bout of personal principle that carries a whiff of petulance and selfishness.

There should be a time for a minister to stand on principle or opt to step out of a portfolio. However, 11 weeks before a general election is not that time - especially when your party is, quite frankly, looking very ragged.

The initial attempt to paint the move as Parker’s great desire to focus on his transport portfolio was never going to work. It immediately raised suspicion Parker was mounting a little insurrection, his Revenue Revolt if you like.

In the end, Parker simply accepted that and said that, given his views, it was “untenable” for him to continue in the portfolio.

His stand was always going to be seen as a bit of a vote of no confidence in whatever Labour’s new tax policy is – and disunity at a time when discipline and a single song sheet is very important.

“A senior minister has asked to be relieved of a major portfolio because he fundamentally disagrees with Labour’s core tax policies – but yet he remains in Cabinet.”

[causecelebre]

Parker is obsessed with wealth. As Orwell says (paraphrased) its not that he cares for the poor. He hates the rich

[Balance]

What is David Parker up to?

Political scientist from Victoria University comments on what's happening.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/07/david-parker-s-resignation-as-revenue-minister-huge-spanner-in-the-works-for-labour-bryce-edwards.html

He told AM Early host Michael O'Keeffe for Parker to resign from the revenue role just 79 days before this year's election was "extraordinary".

"To have a minister resign from their portfolio 11 weeks before an election and at the same time saying he's disappointed with the Government's direction on tax and he's essentially giving a vote of no confidence in his government on one of the biggest policy areas in the election," he said.

"So this is a huge spanner in the works for Labour and it suggests there is dissent within Cabinet, within the caucus on this key issue."

"When things start to fall apart, dissent becomes more obvious and you start getting more leaks, you start getting disunity and there's no doubt there are a lot more people in Labour in the rank in file, in caucus, in Cabinet that are also disappointed," he said.

"But of course, there could be a time when Chris Hipkins actually is no longer the leader and maybe that will come sooner rather than later and David Parker might be well-positioned to even be that candidate for being the leader of the Labour Party."

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1676347241377-SYMXYIA2D3DWZXS7AHS3/Recidivist+driver.jpg?format=500w

[Balance]

And David Parker was never a supporter of Hipkins becoming PM :

David Parker’s mysterious tweet

Attorney-general David Parker has sent #nzpol Twitter into a spin with a simple, two word tweet: “For Grant”.

If Parker was attempting to endorse his colleague Grant Robertson for prime minister, he will be very sad to learn Robertson has ruled out a tilt at the Labour leadership.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/19-01-2023/emergency-podcast-gone-by-lunchtime-resignation-special

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Knives are sharpened so any day now when Labour and Hipkins drop below 25% ratings, Hipkins will be a gone burger.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/08/election-2023-labour-does-absolutely-not-have-plans-to-replace-chris-hipkins-before-voting-day-ginny-andersen.html

Notice Ginny is not referring to ‘Chippie’ anymore?

Before the latest polls, she was ‘Chippie’ this and ‘Chippie’ there. :D

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David Parker refuses to endorse GST removal on fruit & veges, or to comment on whether it is workable.

Target on Hipkins back getting bigger and bigger.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/david-parker-will-not-say-whether-he-thinks-labours-gst-policy-will-work/MTL47X3XIBAIRNB2IMDVW5IX44/

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David Parker refuses to endorse GST removal on fruit & veges, or to comment on whether it is workable.

Target on Hipkins back getting bigger and bigger.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/david-parker-will-not-say-whether-he-thinks-labours-gst-policy-will-work/MTL47X3XIBAIRNB2IMDVW5IX44/


If the 16% Trojan faction get slightly p!ssed off with Labour and decide to jump overboard, then it might be a very small party of the clueless & sundry misfits left over, indeed..

They might have only enough attending to fill a small table in Parker's living room ;)

Parker might have to do the honours of putting the clause into recess after that and most have decreed too hopeless to be bothered with :)

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Biggest dead rat yet - swallowed by the one and only HOLED Robertson :

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Second MP to openly call for wealth tax in defiance of Hipkins’ captain call - can you see the sharpened knives ready to stick into you, Chippie?

So who will make the first stab, Robbo or Clark?

Guess Robbo will be more than eager, given the GST dead rat he had to swallow. That rat is still stuck in his hole?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/499312/election-2023-national-mischief-making-over-claims-ingrid-leary-backs-wealth-tax-hipkins

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Second MP to openly call for wealth tax in defiance of Hipkins’ captain call - can you see the sharpened knives ready to stick into you, Chippie?

So who will make the first stab, Robbo or Clark?

Guess Robbo will be more than eager, given the GST dead rat he had to swallow. That rat is still stuck in his hole?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/499312/election-2023-national-mischief-making-over-claims-ingrid-leary-backs-wealth-tax-hipkins

Hipkins is just there until the election is over, then he is dog tucker either way.
He’ll be the scapegoat for his ‘captains call’ on the CGT & wealth tax if they lose.
He can’t be PM of a govt with the Greens and Te Part-Maori because they have made a wealth tax a ‘bottom line’.
These are his last days as Labour leader.