The Betrayal of NZ by Ardern, Hipkins and Labour

[Balance]

An excellent summary of what Ardern & the Labour Party have been up to and why the majority of NZers have decided enough.

Up to the new government to not only halt all the hidden agendas of Labour & the Greens, but to actively reverse and dismantle the racist and divisive structures put in place by stealth with no transparency & accountability to NZers.

https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/124781/chris-trotter-assesses-labours-disastrous-election-result-noting-when-parties

The highly controversial report He Puapua, for example, proposed wholesale constitutional reform – to a degree which would make the New Zealand of today unrecognisable. Far from being conceived as the starting point for a wide-ranging public debate, the report was prepared in secret and only released by the Sixth Labour Government after it was leaked to the Act Party.


Although disavowed by Jacinda Ardern, sharp-eyed members of the public recognised a remarkable degree of congruence between He Puapua’s recommendations and government policy. They were told, none too politely, that they were seeing things.


But, those taking a close interest in public policy noticed something else: the deep reluctance of Labour ministers to engage in the sort of head-to-head ideological confrontations that were common during the unrolling of Rogernomics.

After 2020, all attempts to debate the future of Te Tiriti o Waitangi and Māori-Pakeha relations tended to be framed as manifestations of racist, white supremacist, prejudice.

Tellingly, a long-delayed discussion document on Treaty-based constitutional reform was deemed too inflammatory for public release by Māori Development Minister Willie Jackson – it still hasn’t seen the light of day.

Even more concerning was the mainstream news media’s extreme reluctance to entertain any debate over the many contentious issues – “co-governance” in particular – that were growing out of the Crown’s newfound commitment to “indigenisation” and “decolonisation”. Increasingly, voters came to understand that there were topics which could not be questioned or debated without “consequences”.

Around this new ideology they further observed the erection of a complex array of protective barriers. Those who attempted to breach these barriers were accused of spreading “misinformation, disinformation and malinformation” or, worse still, of deploying “hate speech”.

Thirty-three years later, voters threw their support behind National, Act and NZ First with much higher hopes of achieving something positive. While freezing works could not be re-opened or privatised state enterprises repurchased, the indigenisation and de-colonisation of New Zealand society can still be halted at the stroke of a ministerial pen.

It is to be hoped that New Zealand’s new Prime Minister, Christopher Luxon, understands this. That among all the other things he has to do, he must not fail to honour the expectation of his conservative voters to defend democratic “New Zealand” from Te Tiriti-Centric “Aotearoa”.

[moka]

An excellent summary of what Ardern & the Labour Party have been up to and why the majority of NZers have decided enough.

Up to the new government to not only halt all the hidden agendas of Labour & the Greens, but to actively reverse and dismantle the racist and divisive structures put in place by stealth with no transparency & accountability to NZers.

https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/124781/chris-trotter-assesses-labours-disastrous-election-result-noting-when-parties

The problem with populism is it all about pandering to grievances, not solutions. It fosters division, not unity.
Balance is still talking about Labour who are out of government now.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL2210/S00004/on-why-new-zealand-isnt-heavily-taxed.htm
(https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL2210/S00004/on-why-new-zealand-isnt-heavily-taxed.htm)
We also happen to be living in an era of right wing populism. Having an integrated persona and a coherent policy platform is not seen as much of a political priority. So long as the candidate can regularly land somewhere along the spectrum of existing grievances confirmed by focus group research, the inconsistency between those landing points won’t be much of a disqualifying factor.
The problem for the rest of us with the micro-targeting of grievances by National and ACT, is that this strategy to get elected does not include sustainable alternatives.

[Balance]

Yup - I am still talking about Labour because the damage they have done to NZ is going to take decades to repair.

And btw, why were you so tolerant of them (Labour) blaming all their failures in the last 6 years on previous administrations? Why was that ok with you?

As per Chris Trotter’s piece above, let’s hope National/ACT act decisively on the mandate for change given to them in this election and cut out the cancerous divisive and racist policies put in place by Ardern, Hipkins and Labour.

That’s why it is important to remind NZers what Labour had been about until the cancer is removed.

You savvy, moka?

[blackcap]

The problem with populism is it all about pandering to grievances, not solutions. It fosters division, not unity.
Balance is still talking about Labour who are out of government now.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL2210/S00004/on-why-new-zealand-isnt-heavily-taxed.htm
(https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL2210/S00004/on-why-new-zealand-isnt-heavily-taxed.htm)
We also happen to be living in an era of right wing populism. Having an integrated persona and a coherent policy platform is not seen as much of a political priority. So long as the candidate can regularly land somewhere along the spectrum of existing grievances confirmed by focus group research, the inconsistency between those landing points won’t be much of a disqualifying factor.
The problem for the rest of us with the micro-targeting of grievances by National and ACT, is that this strategy to get elected does not include sustainable alternatives.

I guess we have gone from Left with populism to Right wing populism right?

[whatsup]

Six wasted years thanks to Winston !

[moka]

Yup - I am still talking about Labour because the damage they have done to NZ is going to take decades to repair.

And btw, why were you so tolerant of them (Labour) blaming all their failures in the last 6 years on previous administrations? Why was that ok with you?

As per Chris Trotter’s piece above, let’s hope National/ACT act decisively on the mandate for change given to them in this election and cut out the cancerous divisive and racist policies put in place by Ardern, Hipkins and Labour.

That’s why it is important to remind NZers what Labour had been about until the cancer is removed.

You savvy, moka? I’m very savvy Balance, and thank you for asking.
We have had a change of government, so no longer Labour = democracy, but what hasn’t changed is the demonisation of the Labour party on these threads by some people, as demonstrated by the title of this thread: The Betrayal of NZ by Ardern, Hipkins and Labour.
So what we see displayed here is populism, not democracy. Populism is the politics of resentment.

Ray Dalio talking about populism. We can learn from history about what happens when populism flourishes.

27:19 So in the 1930 to 1945 period four democracies chose to be autocratic leaders that was Germany, Italy, Spain and Japan because the conflict became so great and each side had populism. By populism I mean not willingness to accept losing, they believe the system isn't fair and that they want to fight, find the people who will fight and win for them, and when they have those people who will fight and win for them you have irreconcilable differences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jVJMD9xNUk
Ray Dalio on the Great Wealth Transfer and Rising Internal Conflict

[Balance]

Populism = Ardern, Hipkins and Labour blaming the previous National government for everything wrong in NZ for the last 6 years.

Thanks, moka for making the connection.

Why it is so important to keep reminding NZers even 9 years from now how this last Labour government screwed up NZ for all NZers.

[BDL]

Six wasted years thanks to Winston !

Don't blame Winston, blame Labour, Maori and Dame Ardern. (silly, naive and malicious)

NZ is as close as you would ever want to come to some serious civil strife.

Dame Ardern is no leader. True leaders know how to unite people, not divide, like she has done.

[BDL]

So what we see displayed here is populism, not democracy. Populism is the politics of resentment.

Ray Dalio talking about populism. We can learn from history about what happens when populism flourishes.

27:19 So in the 1930 to 1945 period four democracies chose to be autocratic leaders that was Germany, Italy, Spain and Japan because the conflict became so great and each side had populism. By populism I mean not willingness to accept losing, they believe the system isn't fair and that they want to fight, find the people who will fight and win for them, and when they have those people who will fight and win for them you have irreconcilable differences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jVJMD9xNUk
Ray Dalio on the Great Wealth Transfer and Rising Internal Conflict

Sounds just like Dame Ardern and the rest of the woke silly crowd of the last few years. All theory, no practise with the classic "victim" mentality thrown in.

[justakiwi]

So you're going to continue to ram this down our throats forever, rather than focus on the new government you wanted, and rooted for, for the last god knows how many months?

You are really asking to have a stroke or heart attack Balance. Fortunately I won't be here to see it, because the temptation to say "I told you so" would be bloody hard to resist.

The past is gone. The future hasn't arrived yet. All any of us have is the present. That's where you need to be living.





Populism = Ardern, Hipkins and Labour blaming the previous National government for everything wrong in NZ for the last 6 years.

Thanks, moka for making the connection.

Why it is so important to keep reminding NZers even 9 years from now how this last Labour government screwed up NZ for all NZers.

[Balance]

So you're going to continue to ram this down our throats forever, rather than focus on the new government you wanted, and rooted for, for the last god knows how many months?

You are really asking to have a stroke or heart attack Balance. Fortunately I won't be here to see it, because the temptation to say "I told you so" would be bloody hard to resist.

The past is gone. The future hasn't arrived yet. All any of us have is the present. That's where you need to be living.

The past is indeed gone and if NZers forget about the past 6 years, they could make the mistake again of voting in a clueless spin mistress, big on promises but completely useless on delivering on anything save disasters and failures.

"Lest We Forget"

[dln]

The past is indeed gone and if NZers forget about the past 6 years, they could make the mistake again of voting in a clueless spin mistress, big on promises but completely useless on delivering on anything save disasters and failures.

"Lest We Forget"

*cough* Luxon & Willis *cough*

[Balance]

*cough* Luxon & Willis *cough*

On cue, out comes the vomit swallower.

[dln]

Meaning what, exactly?

[Balance]

Meaning what, exactly?

Means you regurgitate the same garbage over and over.

[justakiwi]

Take a breath. Read what you just wrote. Read it out loud. Then stand in front of the mirror and read it again. Your total lack of insight into your own behaviour is unbelievable.


Means you regurgitate the same garbage over and over.

[Balance]

Take a breath. Read what you just wrote. Read it out loud. Then stand in front of the mirror and read it again. Your total lack of insight into your own behaviour is unbelievable.

If you seriously ever care to read and understand what has been written about Ardern & the Labour government in the last 3 years, you will know that everything written about how incompetent, clueless and useless they were - ARE ALL TRUE.

Hence, the resounding rejection of them in the election on 14 October.

I take pride in highlighting those truths here on ST (and in other mediums as well) and along with countless others, we know we changed a few minds out there to vote out Labour.

Meanwhile, all the Labour shills had/have been doing here is making excuses and blaming previous government for the disasters created by Ardern, Hipkins and Labour.

The only disappointment we have is that Ardern did a runner before she got the kick on the backside from NZers to show that she has been a waste of space.

Don't expect you to understand though as you voted for her. But then, who can understand why you voted for the hypocrite and self-serving red *itch in the first place!

Savvy?

[Balance]

And note that Ardern's pending book is now all going to be her life experiences and not on leadership?

Remember how she was going to write about leadership because that's what she excelled at?

Imagine the damage to her credibility is she wrote about her time as PM and on leadership!

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1691100335060-VCWQ5NZMSCF2M6DZKW7L/The+Book.jpg?format=500w

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1689200616209-S6MEH78TJNIHLBLE9U63/The+coming+book+copy.jpg?format=500w

[ynot]

And note that Ardern's pending book is now all going to be her life experiences and not on leadership?

Remember how she was going to write about leadership because that's what she excelled at?

Imagine the damage to her credibility is she wrote about her time as PM and on leadership!

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1691100335060-VCWQ5NZMSCF2M6DZKW7L/The+Book.jpg?format=500w

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/1689200616209-S6MEH78TJNIHLBLE9U63/The+coming+book+copy.jpg?format=500w
Would be nice to think the left woke wave could be extinguished. Nice to see we have lead a shift for a change. Many other nations have also had a guts full so fingers crossed.

[dln]

Means you regurgitate the same garbage over and over.

Hahahahahahaha ... <breathe in> ... hahahahahahaha.

Dipsh1t.

[Balance]

Hahahahahahaha ... <breathe in> ... hahahahahahaha.

Dipsh1t.

Thanks for describing yourself so very well. :t_up:

[Daytr]

If you seriously ever care to read and understand what has been written about Ardern & the Labour government in the last 3 years, you will know that everything written about how incompetent, clueless and useless they were - ARE ALL TRUE.

Hence, the resounding rejection of them in the election on 14 October.

I take pride in highlighting those truths here on ST (and in other mediums as well) and along with countless others, we know we changed a few minds out there to vote out Labour.

Meanwhile, all the Labour shills had/have been doing here is making excuses and blaming previous government for the disasters created by Ardern, Hipkins and Labour.

The only disappointment we have is that Ardern did a runner before she got the kick on the backside from NZers to show that she has been a waste of space.

Don't expect you to understand though as you voted for her. But then, who can understand why you voted for the hypocrite and self-serving red *itch in the first place!

Savvy?

What self congratulatory BS.
Most of you posts have about hurling insults and asking people to kiss your ass and then your true desires came out when you asked people to lick your ass!

Proud? You set a very low bar for yourself.
JAK was right, look at yourself in the mirror, however I suspect you do that alot already, over your shoulder... and quite fancy what you see as you have certainly been infatuated with it.

[Balance]

What self congratulatory BS.
Most of you posts have about hurling insults and asking people to kiss your ass and then your true desires came out when you asked people to lick your ass!

Proud? You set a very low bar for yourself.
JAK was right, look at yourself in the mirror, however I suspect you do that alot already, over your shoulder... and quite fancy what you see as you have certainly been infatuated with it.

The truth hurts you woke leftist losers, doesn’t it?

No apologies as you Ardern indoctrinated guys and gals (& in between) cannot handle the truth. You only like her BS and spin laced generously with false promises.

[moka]

If you seriously ever care to read and understand what has been written about Ardern & the Labour government in the last 3 years, you will know that everything written about how incompetent, clueless and useless they were - ARE ALL TRUE.

Hence, the resounding rejection of them in the election on 14 October.

I take pride in highlighting those truths here on ST (and in other mediums as well) and along with countless others, we know we changed a few minds out there to vote out Labour.

Meanwhile, all the Labour shills had/have been doing here is making excuses and blaming previous government for the disasters created by Ardern, Hipkins and Labour.

The only disappointment we have is that Ardern did a runner before she got the kick on the backside from NZers to show that she has been a waste of space.

Don't expect you to understand though as you voted for her. But then, who can understand why you voted for the hypocrite and self-serving red *itch in the first place!

Savvy?You and several others on these threads certainly meet this definition of populists.

Populists claim a kind of monopoly of representing the people with the consequence that all other contenders for power are deemed fundamentally illegitimate, corrupt, and, to coin a phrase, crooked.

https://kpu.pressbooks.pub/political-ideologies/chapter/9-3-history-of-populism-populisms-relationship-to-democracy/
(https://kpu.pressbooks.pub/political-ideologies/chapter/9-3-history-of-populism-populisms-relationship-to-democracy/)
Populism also has significant negative effects on democracy as well. It often results in an intense moralization of politics, whereby reaching agreements between disparate groups becomes very difficult. In lieu of agreement and compromise, majority rule is used to suppress minority opinion and circumvent minority rights. The will of the people – often demonstrable by the will of a majority in a plebiscite or election – becomes authoritative and infallible. Populism is democratic because it abides the wishes of ‘the people’ yet authoritarian because not all citizens count as ‘the people’ (and those who do not have no political legitimacy whatsoever).

In effect, populism advocates for an authoritarian form of democracy, and it fundamentally rejects liberal and representative democracy.

[moka]

Would be nice to think the left woke wave could be extinguished. Nice to see we have lead a shift for a change. Many other nations have also had a guts full so fingers crossed. When you say would be nice to think the left woke wave could be extinguished it sounds like you don’t agree with democracy and free speech for all, not for the left in this case. And that is a kind interpretation of your comment. But plenty on here were quick to demand “their” version of democracy for them over Maori cogovernance issues.

Right-wing populists define the enemy of the people to be “other” people, such as Maori, the Left, Greenies, beneficiaries, immigrants, refugees, etc.

Right-wing populism’s incompatibility with democracy is clear when one carefully considers who “the people” often are in the populist imagination. They are not all the people. They are the minimum winning coalition of the people, and usually a part of the people that are defined in terms of their ascriptive characteristics (e.g., white).

Such an exclusionary view of “the people” cannot be reconciled with democracy’s requirement of political equality.

[blackcap]

You and several others on these threads certainly meet this definition of populists.

.[/I]

why use the word "populist' as a pejorative Moka?

[davflaws]

why use the word "populist' as a pejorative Moka?

Because, as the post suggested, "populist" very accurately describes the position and political attitudes of many posters on this forum. It discounts, "otherises", and marginalises the interests and concerns of a very large proportion of the population. It seldom ends well.

[jonu]

Because, as the post suggested, "populist" very accurately describes the position and political attitudes of many posters on this forum. It discounts, "otherises", and marginalises the interests and concerns of a very large proportion of the population. It seldom ends well.

Doesn't that description fit Ardern's methods? Snuck He Puapua into policy and as a result with, Mahuta as the bulldozer, nek minute....5 Waters and co-governance. Notice how Mahuta disappeared from public view once Ardern abandoned ship?

Ardern completely betrayed this country to her Marxist tendencies, and once the public woke up to her control freak extremism, the knives came out from within the senior Cabinet to save their skins. So what does Cindy do? Bullsh*ts her way off to Harvard for her meal ticket for life as reward from the WEF club. Expect Trudeau to follow her before long.

[blackcap]

Because, as the post suggested, "populist" very accurately describes the position and political attitudes of many posters on this forum. It discounts, "otherises", and marginalises the interests and concerns of a very large proportion of the population. It seldom ends well.

I'm a populist and quite comfortably one. Thanks for your explanation.

[moka]

why use the word "populist' as a pejorative Moka?Because in this context on these threads populism is divisive, pushing a them and us view of New Zealanders. Populists appeal to emotions rather than reason. Populists use name calling, belittling and demeaning as divisive tactics.

Because populism and democracy are not the same thing, although they share some similarities.
Although there is no single definition of populism, a number of characteristics can be attributed to it, including the idea that there is only one people and thus only one opinion.
Populism can lead to polarization and division.

Populism can lead to a decline in democratic values: Populist leaders often appeal to nationalist or authoritarian values and reject the principles of liberal democracy, such as individual rights and freedoms.
Populism can undermine democratic institutions and norms: Populist leaders often portray themselves as the only legitimate representatives of the people and attack other institutions, such as the judiciary, the media, and civil society, as corrupt or illegitimate.

[moka]

Doesn't that description fit Ardern's methods? Snuck He Puapua into policy and as a result with, Mahuta as the bulldozer, nek minute....5 Waters and co-governance. Notice how Mahuta disappeared from public view once Ardern abandoned ship?

Ardern completely betrayed this country to her Marxist tendencies, and once the public woke up to her control freak extremism, the knives came out from within the senior Cabinet to save their skins. So what does Cindy do? Bullsh*ts her way off to Harvard for her meal ticket for life as reward from the WEF club. Expect Trudeau to follow her before long. Populists appeal to emotions rather than reason. Populists use name calling, belittling and demeaning as divisive tactics.

[jonu]

Populists appeal to emotions rather than reason. Populists use name calling, belittling and demeaning as divisive tactics.

It's not my fault all the descriptors you have highlighted are true of Ardern and Mahuta. She did sneak He Puapua into policy. She even hid it from her coalition partner. She did use Mahuta to bulldoze 5 Waters and co-governance, while marginalising the rights and concerns of the majority of the population. That is just one instance of her betrayal.

Slighting parliament protestors by saying "it feels imported" is another. Failing to upbraid Michael Wood for his "river of filth" comment is another.

So his political demise and Ardern and her government's comeuppance is sweet reward.

And the fact she was so quickly given an honorific by her own government that she had just abandoned was one hell of a slap in the face to the country she had divided, manipulated and taken to the edge of financial ruin.

Good Riddance! Now that's popular given the election result!

[nztx]

Populists appeal to emotions rather than reason. Populists use name calling, belittling and demeaning as divisive tactics.


What did the last lot of Labour populists deliver ?

Where is the head populist now & what is she up to ?

Why is there very little to show for it, aside from the very deep holes Robbo dug ?

Why did Labour's populist regime start failing & crumbling as soon as Ardern ran away ?

Why did Kiwi's at large realise earlier this month that they had been sold a farce in such great numbers
that it resulted in a Labour Bloodbath washing the clueless from power ?

[Balance]

What is it with the woke leftists and their degrees?

First James Shaw tried to fake his bachelor degree and now, we have Clueless Cindy attempting to downplay her 'PR' degree. Something to do with her 5 years of spin and BS while PM?



What subject did former PM Jacinda Ardern major in at University? Waikato, the Beehive & Bologna University in Italy all suggest different things.

Waikato University features PM Ardern as a "success story" on its website as follows:

KEY INFO
Qualification(s):

* Bachelor of Communication Studies

Subject(s):

* Public Relations


The University also states, "Waikato's Bachelor of Communication offers a choice of five subject majors in Applied Digital Communication, Creative Media, Public Relations, Marketing, and Media Production". My understanding is that you may be able to pick up the odd paper in another subject, like Political Science, but that in no way remotely forms the focus of your studies. Sometimes people call such a subject a "minor". So it looks like Ardern majored in Public Relations, since Political Science is not offered as a major when you do a Bachelor of Communication.

Which brings me to how Ardern's qualifications were described when she spoke at Bologna University this week:

Jacinda Arden was born in Hamilton, New Zealand. She graduated in Political Sciences and Public Relations at the Waikato Management School in 2001 ..

The Beehive Website also puts "Politics" first in Ardern's Bio, saying her Bachelor of Communication Studies was in "Politics & Public Relations". However Waikato University states she completed a Bachelor in Communication in "Public Relations & Political Science". In University circles like mine this wording is no small thing. It matters a lot. By putting "Politics" first, it infers you majored in politics. If you did a Bachelor of Commerce in marketing, for example, and then applied for jobs, saying you had studied "Economics & Marketing" when you had just done one first year paper in economics, then folks like me would get revved up. Why? Since you'd be giving the wrong impression about what you did to employers.

Could Ardern be emphasizing political science and de-emphasizing PR, even though the latter is what her studies were primarily about? Could it be good PR to downplay PR? Ardern should clarify exactly what papers she studied & whether Political Science was indeed her major, since that's the impression given by the Beehive and her Bio as described on Bologna University's website (speaker bios are usually supplied by the speaker).

Sources:
https://www.waikato.ac.nz/study/success-stories/jacinda-ardern
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/biography/jacinda-ardern
https://www.waikato.ac.nz/study/qualifications/bachelor-of-communication
https://www.waikato.ac.nz/study/subjects/public-relations

"Good news, hapless fool. I am handing the government over to you in great shape to win the 2023 election." Ardern

"Thank you, clueless one. I know what you are doing but this is too good an opportunity not to take - becoming PM!" Hipkins


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Election night 2023 :

"The *itch sure stitched me up good." Hipkins

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/10/election-2023-labour-leader-chris-hipkins-concedes-defeat-reveals-partner-toni-in-speech-to-supporters/_jcr_content/par/image.dynimg.full.q75.jpg/v1697280912848/NEWSHUB_HIPKINS_141023_1120+%281%29.jpg