BLT - Blis Technologies

[simla]

I don't think buying things yourself demonstrates widespread market demand!

[Danzx]

I don't think buying things yourself demonstrates widespread market demand!

Trigger happy

[simla]

The interesting thing about those SSHs above is that already people have snapped up a lot of the company. So people here are sitting around wondering when demand will lift for the shares but it already has. However, most of those seem to have got in at the placement level and the share price reflects retail demand which remains to be seen. Is the current rise real, or is it just crowd activity like a few other shares on the NZX recently?

[Danzx]

lunch time trade again, snapping up the 2c'ers


Good point Simla...i think we will know the answer once this report and so called "announcement" is made

[GR8DAY]

....Ive questioned that myself Simla and come to the conclusion that this time it's "for real".......otherwise we would have seen the 1cSPP shares flooding the market with the obvious result. In fact the complete opposite is happening........strong steady support. Almost 4million changed hands yesterday at an average price of just under 2c. Each block of sales like that just makes the likelyhood of an improving SP just a little bit more likely. Im liking what Im seeing.

[pierre]

. Is the current rise real, or is it just crowd activity like a few other shares on the NZX recently?

Agree - it's not until the half-year report is published in the next week or so that we'll know whether the crowd stays as happy as it currently appears to be.

I hope it does as I'm showing a 44% gain on my total investment so far with - hopefully - much more to come!

[simla]

I'm showing a 44% gain on my total investment so far with - hopefully - much more to come!

Compounding weekly for sure ...

I'm inclined to think this is (mostly) real demand, because there does seem to be a bit of a question of available supply after looking at those SSH's. If some of these purchases are even now being locked in drawers, then the available pool is still dwindling. We don;t know if they are though.

Anyone have any ideas on what is a healthy percentage of a company to be freely trading?

[simla]

Actually, I just checked my own figures above and realised I'd counted the NZPR holding twice, since one of the SSH's mentioned NZPR in the small print. Sorry. These SSHs sure could do with a rewrite. They are hard to read anyway, and it is hard to spot when more than one SSH has been put in for the same interest. Modernisation wouldn't hurt!

So I've edited the post above and it looks like about two thirds of the company might - might - be unlikely to trade. Again, just my calcs, do your own. So more room to maneouevre than it looked.

[clip]

I would be quite happy with a small drop to top up again :D I don't see it happening before the announcement I don't think though

[GR8DAY]

........considering the tone of the whole market today (flat/negative) we can be very proud of our star performer I think!!.....(don't loose sight of the fact that just a .1c gain in the current SP is equal to nearly 2yrs interest at the bank!!)........puts it into perspective a bit ah?

[pierre]

Looks like another upwards move on the cards today. All the stock available at 2.1 has been grabbed - next is just over a million shares on offer at 2.2. That should be gone by lunchtime - to borrow a phrase.

[Danzx]

Looks like another upwards move on the cards today. All the stock available at 2.1 has been grabbed - next is just over a million shares on offer at 2.2. That should be gone by lunchtime - to borrow a phrase.

Heres hoping. I have moved my sell from 2.2 to 2.3

[Danzx]

Looks like another upwards move on the cards today. All the stock available at 2.1 has been grabbed - next is just over a million shares on offer at 2.2. That should be gone by lunchtime - to borrow a phrase.


Chewing up 2.2 now

[evander]

Article in Otago Daily Times this morning, business section re. visiting Sinopharm representatives. Will post it when get time.

[simla]

Danzx, I presume you realise there are two schools of thought on Blis. One group are taking the long term view, and expecting a long compounding return with patience, assuming a competent company strategy. The other is trading through the peaks and troughs, which only is possible so long as Blis has it's periodic volatility.

Which is the better approach to the markets has been debated ceaselessly around the world over time, usually under the names of trading and value investing.

I just mention it because it gets a bit confusing on this group when people's motives aren't clear. I had thought you were long term, for instance, but now you seem to be trading.

Not saying you should be doing one or the other. But periodically this group splits rather dramatically into two motives, and it looks like maybe we're going to have a bout of that now.

Good luck with your aims either way.

[Danzx]

Danzx, I presume you realise there are two schools of thought on Blis. One group are taking the long term view, and expecting a long compounding return with patience, assuming a competent company strategy. The other is trading through the peaks and troughs, which only is possible so long as Blis has it's periodic volatility.

Which is the better approach to the markets has been debated ceaselessly around the world over time, usually under the names of trading and value investing.

I just mention it because it gets a bit confusing on this group when people's motives aren't clear. I had thought you were long term, for instance, but now you seem to be trading.

Not saying you should be doing one or the other. But periodically this group splits rather dramatically into two motives, and it looks like maybe we're going to have a bout of that now.

Good luck with your aims either way.


Absolutely understand this... My main goal is to hold long term and have since week one. But am getting in on the hype shall we say and playing the 'trader' for a play.

[gloworm]

Article in Otago Daily Times this morning, business section re. visiting Sinopharm representatives. Will post it when get time.


The ODT article the evander mentioned. http://www.odt.co.nz/news/business/282277/oral-health-firm-interested-blis-products

[simla]

Thanks, Evander. http://www.odt.co.nz/news/business/282277/oral-health-firm-interested-blis-products

"Sinopharm ... twice the size of New Zealand dairy giant Fonterra."
"[an oral health subsidiary of Sinopharm] said Blis products were ''top class'' for oral health and were leading edge. The representatives believed these had ''real potential'' for the health of the general public in China. "

Seems to have gone well.

[Harvey Specter]

Absolutely understand this... My main goal is to hold long term and have since week one. But am getting in on the hype shall we say and playing the 'trader' for a play.You have a a sell in at 2.3. Are you expecting it to drop after than to buy in cheaply or are you just partially selling down an overweight position.

[Danzx]

You have a a sell in at 2.3. Are you expecting it to drop after than to buy in cheaply or are you just partially selling down an overweight position.

I brought in at 1.8 and wanting to sell at 2.3......if I can't sell I'm happy to sit and hold. It only brings my average holding price up slightly

[Danzx]

Since we had a NZX news release for "GENERAL: BLT: New Shareholding Signals Offshore Market Potential " a few days ago. Are we expecting another news release for the Sinopharm visit?

[Nigel]

Thanks, Evander. http://www.odt.co.nz/news/business/282277/oral-health-firm-interested-blis-products

"Sinopharm ... twice the size of New Zealand dairy giant Fonterra."
"[an oral health subsidiary of Sinopharm] said Blis products were ''top class'' for oral health and were leading edge. The representatives believed these had ''real potential'' for the health of the general public in China. "

Seems to have gone well.

Very encouraging update. I've said it before, I'll say it again - I'm really excited about this relationship with Sinopharm and the doors it will open in China. I really do see it as a "company-making" opportunity.

Looking forward to this next announcement even more now!

[simla]

There you go, Danzx. You rocked the market - 2.2!

There might be a release if there is subsequent news and the company wants to jkeep on with the build up. Otherwise I'd have thought they'd keep it to the report shortly.

The photo looks fairly happy all round, and I thought it sounded a fairly high-powered group too.

[Danzx]

There you go, Danzx. You rocked the market - 2.2!

There might be a release if there is subsequent news and the company wants to jkeep on with the build up. Otherwise I'd have thought they'd keep it to the report shortly.

The photo looks fairly happy all round, and I thought it sounded a fairly high-powered group too.


DANZX
"junior member"



little clarification I have a large holding which is long term but brought a few thousand worth at 1.8 for a trader play

[simla]

To state the obvious, the flow of good news from the company continues.

[GR8DAY]

I brought in at 1.8 and wanting to sell at 2.3......if I can't sell I'm happy to sit and hold. It only brings my average holding price up slightly


.....dont do it DANZX..........change your sell to 4.3c and work out the difference!! Trust me you'll regret selling them that cheaply......Ive done it many times (selling too soon) and it's a sickening feeling watching the SP continuing on and upwards. We are just at the beginning of the turnaround, not the end, not even the middle.

[Danzx]

.....dont do it DANZX..........change your sell to 4.3c and work out the difference!! Trust me you'll regret selling them that cheaply......Ive done it many times (selling too soon) and it's a sickening feeling watching the SP continuing on and upwards. We are just at the beginning of the turnaround, not the end, not even the middle.


Noted.....can you ring the boss and explain this to her!!

but like I say 95% of my holding are for the long term. 5% I brought at 1.8 for a " I can't help myself" trade

[simla]

I'm coming around to your point of view a little, Moosie. On the other hand, the ODT article just said that a company twice the size of Fonterra were pretty happy to launch Blis into China (or that's what it appeared to say, anyway.) Can't be all bad!

[hilskin]

now at 0.023, should be selling half right now but interested to see where this goes.

[aquaman]

This may be a bit left field... but does anyone know if Sinopharm is in the habit of purchasing businesses or do they just focus on purchasing product for their distrubution.

[hilskin]

I'm coming around to your point of view a little, Moosie. On the other hand, the ODT article just said that a company twice the size of Fonterra were pretty happy to launch Blis into China (or that's what it appeared to say, anyway.) Can't be all bad!

Don't worry about our friend Moosie, lots of noise, not always right but fun to have around :)

[fiasco]

I think another interesting point is the relationship they have built (William McQui in particular), it has taken over 2 years to build this relationship. I think it's quite an impressive facet for them to really get infront of an organisation like Sinopharm and potentially have their support in China. That can only help them with further growth strategies into other countries possibly?

[Nigel]

All I can say is they better have some spectaculat news to follow through on the SP rise...

As Simla said, it seems to be all good news right now. We're not expecting stellar sales for this next announcement - most of us just hoping for good news on profitability in the next 12-24 months, and signs that revenues are increasing and markets opening up. For me, the new investors and China potential are massive.

This stock has been priced as a 'failure' for so long, any signs of life will re-rate it. I think the ODT likes to label Blis as a "struggling biotechnology company" and remind readers of its compounded losses over the years. I note that today's article is missing those comments - maybe a sign that even the nay-sayers are starting to see the potential a successful relationship with Sinopharm could bring!

[GR8DAY]

.......I hadnt realized Sinopharm was so huge ($40 billion/year revenue!!).........this is really starting to sound positive now....things falling into place nicely (and not before time). Im more confident now in commercial success than Ive ever been........it may even happen within the next 12mnts??

[simla]

This may be a bit left field... but does anyone know if Sinopharm is in the habit of purchasing businesses or do they just focus on purchasing product for their distrubution.

See the previous post on SSHs. There's a few large shareholders to get through to go there. Not to say impossible, but the place looks farily secure to me.

[Nigel]

Danzx, did you sell at 2.3?

[simla]

I note that today's article is missing those comments
Interesting that this 29 October announcement from Blis had a media contact, for the first time as I recall it, suggesting Blis may be doing PR permanently now? https://nzx.com/companies/BLT/announcements/242953

This flurry of publicity could be the result of that. Several points then: Did Blis go down that road because they saw the need due to ongoing success? Or did they just think more publicity would help given the ongoing share price? Etc.

Either way, if we are to see ongoing PR coming out of the company, then that alone is a new permanent factor to consider.

Also, if the previous ODT article was actually an interview mentioning "profitable" in 2015 year, http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9410337/Blis-secures-firm-till-March-2015 then that would be more than nothing, as the company reported a net loss of 1.8m for 2013. So, will the next report substantiate that, either by repeating the expectation, or giving expected figures? Or maybe it only meant operational profit, not net profit?

[Danzx]

Danzx, did you sell at 2.3?

Nope got greddy and sold at 2.5... Kept moving the bar

[pierre]

I think there's a risk that all the punters piling in to BLT at the moment might be disappointed when the half-year announcement is published. There wont be a profit for the last period - or for FY14.

Their willingness to hang on to their shares and sustain the SP will hinge around the commentary about commercialisation in general, the market in China in particular, and whether there is any guidance about the anticipation of a maiden profit. If all those stars are aligned then the possibility of a modest further gain in the SP is entirely possible.

Meantime it's hit 2.5 and I'm up 81.3% - happy holder!

[simla]

Good point, Pierre. On the other hand, if they do predict profit for FY 2015 (if!) then that starts in 19 weeks from now. It's not a lifetime. Depends if they do announce that!

"profitable in the financial year to March 31, 2015." http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9410337/Blis-secures-firm-till-March-2015

[Nigel]

Thin again on the sell side. Never a dull day :)

[clip]

hmm the big question, will we see some profit taking this afternoon/a chance to get in again lower, or will it hold around these levels until the announcement. I have been buying on dips and selling on gains in the past but i think I will hold onto them all until the announcement now.
Can someone remind me, this is due Monday is that correct? Any estimate on morning-afternoon etc?

[pierre]

hmm the big question, will we see some profit taking this afternoon/a chance to get in again lower, or will it hold around these levels until the announcement. I have been buying on dips and selling on gains in the past but i think I will hold onto them all until the announcement now.
Can someone remind me, this is due Monday is that correct? Any estimate on morning-afternoon etc?

The reply I received from the company on Monday 18th to an emailed question about the announcement date said:


"we are still working through the process with auditors and other parties. We will announce prior to the due date later this month."

[clip]

Thanks pierre. To clarify, unless i'm reading it wrong, then going by that sentence they will announce when it is due, before it is due? i.e. they will announce a due date, before releasing it?

[simla]

Short answer: we don't know! It's due this month is the only limit.

[Harvey Specter]

Thanks pierre. To clarify, unless i'm reading it wrong, then going by that sentence they will announce when it is due, before it is due? i.e. they will announce a due date, before releasing it?My interpretation is that they wont be doing a Diligent. That is, unlike DIL, they will announce their result before it is due, not some time in the future that may be delayed even further.

[pierre]

Thanks pierre. To clarify, unless i'm reading it wrong, then going by that sentence they will announce when it is due, before it is due? i.e. they will announce a due date, before releasing it?

They are required to announce within 60 days of the end of the half-year period i.e no later than 30 November.

My interpretation of the comment was that they will be announcing before that deadline - but nothing more specific than that. My pick is that they were waiting for the Sinopharm visit so they could include any positivity relating to that in the half-year report - only a hunch though.

[clip]

Thanks all for helpful info/explanations, I have it clear in my head now :)

[simla]

That ODT article also said, "They came to Dunedin to learn more about Blis' research and how to proceed with promotion of the products." http://www.odt.co.nz/news/business/282277/oral-health-firm-interested-blis-products

Two good points in that. Firstly, "how to proceed" is pretty concrete , isn't it? And secondly, "promotion of the products" is pretty good too. Actually, thirdly, "products" is plural.

[hilskin]

WOW .027 knocked out pretty quickly. Will it hit .03 today???????????

[pierre]

calling a high of 2.6 with fall back on lack of infill in the arvo ;)

2.7 now Moosie - better get your crystal ball in for an overhaul.

Now at 96% gain on my 3m shares. Happy to hold - even if it's likely to continue to be a roller coaster ride.

[Danzx]

2.7 now Moosie - better get your crystal ball in for an overhaul.

Now at 96% gain on my 3m shares. Happy to hold - even if it's likely to continue to be a roller coaster ride.


Good for you Pierre!!!
will this change the stock picking contest top 10?!

Man Oh man how am I meant to be productive at work today!

[GR8DAY]

calling a high of 2.6 with fall back on lack of infill in the arvo ;)


........so says he who claimed the SP would never crack 2c.....ha!...what a joke Moosie, keep talking it up M8. Why dont you just get in and buy like everyone else is??

[Danzx]

Buy 754,997 @ 2.7
sell 100,000 @ 2.8

standby action

[Danzx]

Buy 754,997 @ 2.7
sell 100,000 @ 2.8

standby action

action complete share price 2.8

[hilskin]

probably .03 before I finish my sandwich:t_up:

[Danzx]

probably .03 before I finish my sandwich:t_up:

Lol hope it's a small sandwich

[Danzx]

3c resistance for the day?

[Danzx]

3c resistance for the day?

Ok no... Not at all

[clip]

damnit.. too hungry.. running over road to get a sandwich now. haha

[simla]

Should have eaten a sandwich first, mate.

[gloworm]

Thoughts as to this being a large player accumulating on market, someone with an active interest & would consider this small change. Someone like Sinopharm??

[simla]

Inclined to think this is just "the crowd" now, hoping to be in on thye next thing. I wonder how many of them have actually read a report from Blis?

Could be real, of course, but then if so they had the recent issue to put in about as much as they wanted.

[Nigel]

5mil shares traded again today. Liquidity has improved immensely over the past month or so!

[Nigel]

Inclined to think this is just "the crowd" now, hoping to be in on thye next thing. I wonder how many of them have actually read a report from Blis?

Could be real, of course, but then if so they had the recent issue to put in about as much as they wanted.

It seems like there could be some significant buyers around as any time there has been a lot on offer at one price point, they seem to go in a hurry (eg stock on offer mounts up then is taken out).

[pierre]

Happy to hold - even if it's likely to continue to be a roller coaster ride.

The roller coaster is heading for a bit of a dip right now.

[hilskin]

Sold half at .03 and can now sit back and watch knowing the other half cost me nothing. Bought at .011 so some profit for my troubles. :)

[TimmyTP]

you'd be very correct. look at all those ones on the buy side, not much quantity of buyers. the stock was due a rerating if good news was ahead but $30M+ mCap on ~$600k revenue? hmmmm...
Agreed moosie, I don't see much rationality just now in the valuation.
Not so sure about there being large buyers really, at least based on the depth. Lots of low value orders for multiples of $1,000 or thereabouts.

Disc: had a small play around and happy to have made a few 000s, but out now until I can see some calm return to proceedings.

[GR8DAY]

.......hold onto that stock tightly fellow shareholders and just sit back and watch your investment grow.......simple supply and demand. What's going to happen when the REAL good news is released to the market......this is just the beginning.

[pierre]

The roller coaster is heading for a bit of a dip right now.

I'm enjoying this ride - better than Montezuma's Revenge at Knott's Berry Farm!

[Nigel]

.......hold onto that stock tightly fellow shareholders and just sit back and watch your investment grow.......simple supply and demand. What's going to happen when the REAL good news is released to the market......this is just the beginning.

The way the NZ market is working right now, I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow is actually the big day (in terms of sp increase). I think the Sinopharm news is causing a lot if today's price movement. With PEB it took a day or two for word to spread and then the sp took off even more.

You do need to wonder how much higher this could go before too much 'potential' is priced in, but the same suggestions were made about PEB, XRO etc and look where they ended up!

[TimmyTP]

.......hold onto that stock tightly fellow shareholders and just sit back and watch your investment grow.......simple supply and demand. What's going to happen when the REAL good news is released to the market......this is just the beginning.
I expect to be lambasted for this, but I have observed that the release of good news frequently initiates a sharp drop in the SP.

[simla]

You could be on to something there, Nigel. That ODT story wasn't exactly nothing.

[Nigel]

You could be on to something there, Nigel. That ODT story wasn't exactly nothing.

Just need NZ Herald, Dom Post, Larry Williams to mention it and we're away :)

[Nigel]

6mil volume. Big day :)

[simla]

If this is the market finally discovering Blis, then this should last. If not, ...

[clip]

Another noob question, not having done/needed to do one of these before - how does one set up a stop loss on ASB Sec?

[Minerbarejet]

Another noob question, not having done/needed to do one of these before - how does one set up a stop loss on ASB Sec?
When you go to set an order for buy or sell there are two other options on the pulldown, one is a trigger buy and the other a stoploss.

[Harvey Specter]

Another noob question, not having done/needed to do one of these before - how does one set up a stop loss on ASB Sec?Go to the buy sell screen and choose stop loss. Set the point you want it triggered at, then the amount you are willing to sell down to. Ie. with a SP at 3c, you may set it to be triggered at 2.8 and sell all the way down to 2.5. If there insufficent buys between 2.8 and 2.5, then your order will only be partically complete.

[clip]

thanks guys :) have been buying/selling in the past just by clicking on the stock in question then buy/sell, didn't pay attention to the 'place order' heh.

[Chippie]

I think this could be the moment I thought could happen. BLT is pocket change to serious investors oversea's.

I think someone will hover up as many shares as they can up to 5 cents a share then go for a full takeover at something like 7.5 cents.

[Nigel]

Reasonable sum now on offer at 3c - let's see if a mysterious buyer comes and takes them out. If it does, hold on to your hats!

[stanace]

After all that excitement, this feels like a trading halt!

[Nigel]

Cap forming at 3 cents. Wellington boys have had their fun today, time for a sell down a bit

I'm not so sure - new buyer in at 2.8c for 530k. There's still a lot of interest. And news hasn't even hit the main papers yet :)

[In4a$]

I must admit, some of those on offer at 3c are mine. Prolly end up kicking myself but they're there.
I got a sell in at 0.035 if someone really wants some !! cheers
:t_up:

[jonu]

I think this could be the moment I thought could happen. BLT is pocket change to serious investors oversea's.

I think someone will hover up as many shares as they can up to 5 cents a share then go for a full takeover at something like 7.5 cents.

Congrats to all those doing well with BLT. I must admit I missed this bus for now. However Chippie, there is ramping and there is pyramid construction, which are you into?:)

[clip]

I got a sell in at 0.035 if you really want some !! cheers
:t_up:

Hehe same. with a stop loss somewhere below 0.27, we'll see if either of them hit :D

[Nigel]

Someone just sold down to 2.8c on a massive $280 trade. Maybe someone trying to trigger a stoploss? Or just playing games. Again, very interesting day.

[clip]

yep i just sold off half my lot too. after slowly averaging up while making a nice profit on the way up over the past 2 weeks, my remaining shares are up 1800%. IT's a good feeling :)

[Nigel]

7m shares traded today, almost an all time high!

[GR8DAY]

.....yep great liquidity coming into the stock also now and that's a sure sign of solid support.

[Nigel]

.....yep great liquidity coming into the stock also now and that's a sure sign of solid support.

And a late run of buying... back up to 2.9c, sellers at 3c. Will it close at/near its high? Will there be any media coverage of this quite impressive rise to spark more activity tomorrow?

[pierre]

.....yep great liquidity coming into the stock also now and that's a sure sign of solid support.

Hmmmm....maybe. Many of today's punters are just buying the day's excitement and could lose their enthusiasm when the half-year result (loss) is announced.

Though, when you look at RYM, maybe news of a loss might be well received - they announce a 22% increase in profit and dividend today and the SP is down 3 cents at this moment.

Still, I think that unless BLT give really positive guidance about turning a profit, as well as the other things I mentioned in an earlier post today, then a drop in SP is almost inevitable following the announcement.

[fiasco]

I guess it is anyone's guess as to how others will react, just look at SUM, all postive announcements and it headed downward like RYM has done today.

Will be interesting to see what tomorrow brings. In relation to the announcement all we know is anytime before Dec ha.

With that said I know I still keep intact my portion, thought about selling for a quick profit, but don't want to go against my strategy, it cost next to nothing, so happy for it to sit and see how they can perform over the coming years :)

[Nigel]

Volume just ticked over 8mil shares for the day. VWAP 2.6c - very strong support. Really looking forward to what tomorrow brings!

[winner69]

You guys really rolling in it now ...well done

After 3 cents comes 4 cents and then 5 cents and so on

[simla]

We're just going for odd numbers after this. 3,5,7 ...

Hard to say what this is. Easy to say its a crowd going mad, but it doesn't quite feel right for that either.

[simla]

One percent is about 10m shares. We've had many times that trading. Are we due some SSHs by now?

[pierre]

One percent is about 10m shares. We've had many times that trading. Are we due some SSHs by now?


....Only if the big boys have been topping up their earlier .7cent and 1 cent SPP purchases. But I think it's mainly small traders and investors having a play over the past few days. After all 8 million shares changed hands today but for only $214k of value - so hardly a major spend up by anyone.



After 3 cents comes 4 cents and then 5 cents and so on

I think anything over 4 cents is a year or two away - depending on how quickly a profit is forecast to materialise - and how much it is!

[Danzx]

Anyone note any media coverage today re:Blis (apart from the ODT article)

Nothing on Radio live Drive......stil too busy talking about XRO

[winner69]

I get RSS feeds for BLT (signed in January this year on the last run), good thing to use.

went home at 2.30 today and fell asleep. nice strong close at end of day, should try to test 3 again tomorrow. congrats to holders, but be mindful this is speculation at these levels, wasn't too long ago we were at this price...

Spikes seem to coincide with varsity holidays

[Danzx]

I get RSS feeds for BLT (signed in January this year on the last run), good thing to use.

Thanks will set this up

[Nigel]

I get RSS feeds for BLT (signed in January this year on the last run), good thing to use.

went home at 2.30 today and fell asleep. nice strong close at end of day, should try to test 3 again tomorrow. congrats to holders, but be mindful this is speculation at these levels, wasn't too long ago we were at this price...

One of the big differences between the last 3c foray and this one is that China is now 'happening'. As Barry said in this morning's ODT, the Chinese market has huge potential for Blis. Earlier in the year it really was speculation about what 'could' be - now it looks like the mechanisms are finally in place to execute the marketing and distribution in this key market. We have the right people involved with the company, and the right distribution partner in Sinopharm.

From the article: "Ms Zhang said Blis products were ''top class'' for oral health and were leading edge. The representatives believed these had ''real potential'' for the health of the general public in China. They came to Dunedin to learn more about Blis' research and how to proceed with promotion of the products. NMPD was always looking for new leading-edge products and what they had learnt about Blis had attracted them to visit, she said."

It all gives me a lot of confidence :)

[Stu]

I get the sense there are 2 sides in this market, a group buying whatever they can and a group of possibly mug sellers thinking that an x2 or x3 gain is a lottery win. This assumes the buyers see potential on the horizon that could feasibly bring the stock to a price where 3 cents would seem very cheap.

The other possibility is that the stock is being run up prior to the statement, but this doesn't seem to gel in my opinion.

We shall see.

[Nigel]

I get the sense there are 2 sides in this market, a group buying whatever they can and a group of possibly mug sellers thinking that an x2 or x3 gain is a lottery win. This assumes the buyers see potential on the horizon that could feasibly bring the stock to a price where 3 cents would seem very cheap.

The other possibility is that the stock is being run up prior to the statement, but this doesn't seem to gel in my opinion.

We shall see.

I don't think we should be putting too much emphasis on the half year report. While I believe we will see increased revenues and some product/market updates, the real value with Blis is in the year ahead and activities in China. As we've said before, discussion of (timing of) profitability will be very interesting.

I won't be super surprised if a positive announcement does impact the price (recent updates have done just that), however in the absence of massive news, I don't see how a huge rise could be sustainable in the short term. But then again, that's what they said about Xero :)

[Nigel]

PS. I'd love to know what a chartist makes of recent BLT movements. Surely it's broken through every moving average in the book, all on rising volumes.

[Stu]

PS. I'd love to know what a chartist makes of recent BLT movements. Surely it's broken through every moving average in the book, all on rising volumes.

The chartists are struggling these days, it's been tough ever since the newspapers stopped printing the horoscopes, and tealeaves were put into teabags, and it's almost impossible to find a decent tarot set.
One boon for the likes of Moosie though is that Magic 8 Ball is now on the interwebs :)
http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~ssanty/cgi-bin/eightball.cgi

[GR8DAY]

The chartists are struggling these days, it's been tough ever since the newspapers stopped printing the horoscopes, and tealeaves were put into teabags, and it's almost impossible to find a decent tarot set.
One boon for the likes of Moosie though is that Magic 8 Ball is now on the interwebs :)
http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~ssanty/cgi-bin/eightball.cgi

LOL STU.......my sentiments exactly!...I personally believe what we're witnessing with BLIS is nothing more than a basic re rating to bring the SP in line with new fresh and i believe GENUINE expectations of what lies ahead. The new relationships that have recently been forged by the 4 cornerstne shareholders (and holding around half the stock on offer) can only add up to one thing in my mind and thats the foundation for great things to come. As far as news releases go today or whenever well we must just take them in our stride.........but i do expect the overall tone to be more positive from now on.......however we must also keep a good eye on the big picture ahead and remember that GOOD THINGS TAKE TIME.

[gloworm]

More ODT action this morning.

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/business/282471/blis-share-activity-grows

Early stages but momentum slowly building.

[clip]

If they don't get a mention in stuff/nzherald today i'm picking there will be a little bit of trading in the morn, lighter in the afternoon closing around 2.6-2.7. happy to be proven wrong :D

[clip]

Thanks moosie - chances of an sp drop near end of day as profit takers cash in their weeks work or people holding until announcement?

[winner69]

Easily outperformed PEB and XRO over the last 3 months - no doubt about it

Certainly has been the stock to be in eh

Market cap now over 30 mill - WOW

financial performance don't matter here ....it is the story hat matters

Keep the story going and 10 cents possible ....punters will become afraid of missing out

[GR8DAY]

If they don't get a mention in stuff/nzherald today i'm picking there will be a little bit of trading in the morn, lighter in the afternoon closing around 2.6-2.7. happy to be proven wrong :D

.......that MAY apply, but only to the short sighted. Think medium/ longterm, think 6c,8,12c...........HOLD.

[clip]

^yep. Was just meaning today. Sold some of my holding yesterday at 0.03, in the hopes of picking up a few more on a drop-back. Seeing volume already (600k @ 0.03) I am now thinking that is less and less likely

[GR8DAY]

.....This is just one extract taken from the Nov.14 press release: JUST A WEE REMINDER OF WHERE WE ARE AT NOW.



"Dr Richardson said that he believes having such well-connected companies with an uninterrupted view of the trends and demands of the markets they operate in will assist in increasing the pace of market development.

“They have a visceral interest in BLIS being successful.”

After placements and the recent share purchase plan, BLIS has four major shareholders and related parties accounting for 45.7% of the total shareholding of BLIS."

[scamper]

ODT two days in a row, but nothing specifically to the markets?
Is it just Dunedinites and forum members who know about this?
Go Otaaaaago!

[clip]

https://nzx.com/companies/BLT/announcements/244159

BLIS Technologies issues further 60 million shares 9:45am, 22 Nov 2013 | PLACE 22 November 2013
BLIS Technologies issues further 60 million shares
Further to the market announcement on 14 November BLIS Technologies Limited advises that pursuant to a private placement it has now issued a further 60,000,000 fully paid ordinary shares at $0.01 per share raising $600,000.
The new shares allotted today rank equally with the existing ordinary fully paid shares on issue.
Notice of Issue of Shares
Class of securities issued Ordinary shares
ISIN NZBLTE0002S8
Number of securities issued 60,000,000
Issue price $0.01 per share
Payment in cash? Yes
Any amount paid up (if not in full) Fully paid
Percentage of total class issued 5.75%
Reasons for the issue Pursuant to private placement
Specific authority for the issue Resolutions of shareholders dated 30 August 2013 and resolution of directors dated 20/11/13
Terms or details of the issue Rank equally with other fully paid ordinary shares
Total number of securities of the class in existence after the issue 1,102,153,565
Date of issue 22 November 2013

[simla]

Still not saying who. But over 5%, so SSH required.

[Nigel]

ODT two days in a row, but nothing specifically to the markets?
Is it just Dunedinites and forum members who know about this?
Go Otaaaaago!

Both NZ Herald and stuff.co.nz ran the earlier ODT article, but neither seem to have picked up yesterday's news - even though it's a much better story! They may still stumble across it and do something for the weekend.

[clip]

Still not saying who. But over 5%, so SSH required.

I don't fully understand that release, does that mean they are releasing additional shares now, on top of the previous capital raising? Any likelihood of them going to sinopharm?

[Harvey Specter]

I don't fully understand that release, does that mean they are releasing additional shares now, on top of the previous capital raising? Any likelihood of them going to sinopharm?HOpefully that is just the last of the current round of capital raising at 1c. I assume they still had a pool of unissued shares left after the SPP didn't raise the full amount.

[Nigel]

These extra shares were part of the $4.33m figure mentioned in the 14 Nov release:

A total of $4.33 million has been raised. This includes funds for share
placements already received of $2.33 million. A share purchase plan available
to all shareholders generated $1.39 million. A further $0.60 million has been
pledged in subscription agreements with funds due to be received in late
November, 2013.

Someone obviously just had to free up the funds, and now they have arrived. Not sure who it is - there's the possibility that it could be an initial stake by Sinopharm. Only speculation, but it's possible they 'pledged' the money based on a satisfactory trip to Blis HQ in mid/late November?? Maybe we'll find out soon (or not!).

[GR8DAY]

.......Yep that's probably correct HS....so that means they must have raised close to $5m cash now I think, ready to propel this forward.??

[simla]

Existing shareholder more likely if the funds were pledged before the visit.

[clip]

thanks all for explanation :)

[Nigel]

Right, market has caught its breath for 5 minutes, now back in action. 3.1c :)

[GR8DAY]

.....HA!......as expected a few of the "short sighted ones" have appeared........they will be left with a little small change in profits but a whole lot of regrets come the next few months...IMHO

[clip]

Last price 0.025 now - even though there were asks at 0.027, someone just dropped 15k at 0.025 - any thoughts as to the reasoning to this? trying to start a panic sell-down/downtrend to pick up more shares at a lower price?

/edit I see you are watching as closely as I :). This suits me just fine - took some nice profit yesterday, remaning shares less than .15c cost to me. Looking towards another chance to get back in at a nice price today

[jonu]

Last price 0.025 now - even though there were asks at 0.027, someone just dropped 15k at 0.025 - any thoughts as to the reasoning to this? trying to start a panic sell-down/downtrend to pick up more shares at a lower price?

/edit I see you are watching as closely as I :)

Dropping for the same reason it went up Clip. Now that is a bit of a worry.

[JohnnyTheHorse]

Last price 0.025 now - even though there were asks at 0.027, someone just dropped 15k at 0.025 - any thoughts as to the reasoning to this? trying to start a panic sell-down/downtrend to pick up more shares at a lower price?

/edit I see you are watching as closely as I :). This suits me just fine - took some nice profit yesterday, remaning shares less than .15c cost to me. Looking towards another chance to get back in at a nice price today

Looks like a small order was traded at that, which then likely triggered a larger stop loss.

[clip]

Dropping for the same reason it went up Clip. Now that is a bit of a worry.
Not a worry to me :D

[GR8DAY]

......BUY ON THE DIPS! ( only fools do the opposite)

[Bilbo]

Dropping for the same reason it went up Clip. Now that is a bit of a worry.

Dropping because the 6 month report is out and does not say anything we don't already know. They do state "Accordingly although a further operating loss is anticipated in the current financial year our expectations are for the Company to move to profitable operations during the course of the 2015 financial year."

[GR8DAY]

......just the usual panik selling Moosie by the nervous nellys who dont appreciate the BIG picture. Happy to just watch the stupidity and BUY into it......come to mamma!!

[clip]

Thanks Bilbo - had not seen the report just come out :)

[simla]

Upbeat report, as hoped. In particular: "Accordingly although a further operating loss is anticipated in the current financial year our expectations are for the
Company to move to profitable operations during the course of the 2015 financial year." (P7)

[Bilbo]

Thanks Bilbo - had not seen the report just come out :)

I will be interested in reading what everyone in here makes of the report. Revenue increase of 24% but also note: "Also the prior reporting period included turnover of $180k from the discontinued operations of BLIS Functional Foods („BFF‟) and therefore the underlying increase in sales of ingredients and finished consumer products was significantly higher at 86%."

That sounds like good progress to me, but I guess the market needs to see sustained increases in sales before getting excited about BLT.

[simla]

"The formal approval (export accreditation) of our nutritional formulations plant (expected in December) will be a significant milestone in the implementation of this strategy. Upon receipt of export accreditation these products will be marketed in Australasia, Asia and parts of Europe." (P5)

That includes NZ then.

[clip]

I like this as well "Sales will be further boosted when the nutritionals plant is certified for export (expected in December 2013)"

[Harvey Specter]

Reality just hit at about 200km/h...I assume it was stop losses being triggered. Anyone here caught.

I predict it will drift north again though the day as those that are buying see the opportunity to top up at the lower price.

[simla]

" we anticipate strong growth in our ingredients and finished consumer products sales over the next 12 to 18 months." p3.

[simla]

This appears to support expectations of excellent progress very soon. Share price seems of the opposite opinion just now.

[Latama]

"... and has recently appointed Sinopharm, the largest pharmaceutical company in China, to distribute our products."

Happy with this comment amongst many others. Very much in the growth stage and taking positive steps.

[simla]

So, bad news: didn't see any really. Anyone else?

Good news. Expecting Dunedin plant to begin exporting within a few weeks. Expecting to start making a profit some time next year. Volumes could be significantly boosted even during the next 6 months (6 to 18 months). Anticipate needing more staff. New M18 lozenge and gum products for ASEAN IV countries.

In short: sales volumes and profit looking very imminent. Is that what others saw?

[winner69]

I will be interested in reading what everyone in here makes of the report. Revenue increase of 24% but also note: "Also the prior reporting period included turnover of $180k from the discontinued operations of BLIS Functional Foods („BFF‟) and therefore the underlying increase in sales of ingredients and finished consumer products was significantly higher at 86%."

That sounds like good progress to me, but I guess the market needs to see sustained increases in sales before getting excited about BLT.

So $180k of those discontinued BFF sales in h1 last year .....what was the full year figure last year?

Was this the icecream experiment?

[clip]

Picked up another bundle at 2.3 to replace the ones sold yesterday afternoon. Stuck to my tactic and seems to be working thus far. Interested to see if my prediction of a2.6-2.7 close from this morning will still hold :) Wonder if those bids at 2.3 will get hit or if they'll need to be raised

[GR8DAY]

......all sounding pretty spot on to me, couldnt be better and exactly as expected.....ie...a solid foundation has been established by way of the new off shore partnerships which will start contributing next year IF NOT the current year (ending march 2014)........BRING IT ON!!!



"Overall expectations are for turnover for the year to 31 March 2014 to grow by in excess of 50% despite the
discontinued operations of BLIS Functional Foods."


"The recent capital raising has provided the Company with the capital base necessary to support its business
strategies. In this respect, marketing alliances with Asia Pacific Partners and NZPR Group have been cemented
through their participation. These trade partnerships have yet to contribute meaningful sales but are expected to
deliver a significant boost to volumes in the ensuing six to eighteen months."

[GR8DAY]

......all sounding pretty spot on to me, couldnt be better and exactly as expected.....ie...a solid foundation has been established by way of the new off shore partnerships which will start contributing next year IF NOT the current year (ending march 2014)........BRING IT ON!!!



"Overall expectations are for turnover for the year to 31 March 2014 to grow by in excess of 50% despite the
discontinued operations of BLIS Functional Foods."


"The recent capital raising has provided the Company with the capital base necessary to support its business
strategies. In this respect, marketing alliances with Asia Pacific Partners and NZPR Group have been cemented
through their participation. These trade partnerships have yet to contribute meaningful sales but are expected to
deliver a significant boost to volumes in the ensuing six to eighteen months."

[Minerbarejet]

And all nicely done in stereo:)

[Harvey Specter]

NZPR Group were issued 50m of the 60m issued today so good show of support from them (I assume they had committed prior to the recent price rise.

[pierre]

Hmmmm....maybe. Many of today's punters are just buying the day's excitement and could lose their enthusiasm when the half-year result (loss) is announced.

Though, when you look at RYM, maybe news of a loss might be well received - they announce a 22% increase in profit and dividend today and the SP is down 3 cents at this moment.

Still, I think that unless BLT give really positive guidance about turning a profit, as well as the other things I mentioned in an earlier post today, then a drop in SP is almost inevitable following the announcement.

The traders panicked as expected - but the investors are now moving back in - SP back to 2.6 at this moment.

[GR8DAY]

And all nicely done in stereo:)


HA!..... couldnt help myself Miner...(I ve been told off for using all caploks too often).....so found another way to make a point m8!!



ps.........well done to those clever bas/&^#ds that picked some bargains up at 2.3/2.4 this morning

[Nigel]

NZPR Group were issued 50m of the 60m issued today so good show of support from them (I assume they had committed prior to the recent price rise.

Yes, just saw that as I skimmed through the report. Good that these guys have even more skin in the game.

I was also pleased to see the notification about profitability: "our expectations are for the Company to move to profitable operations during the course of the 2015 financial year."

My interpretation of that is that they won't necessarily post a profit next year, but somewhere during that year will cross the line into operating profitably, i.e. depending on the timing timing of when they cross that line, there may or may not be an overall profit for the year. That fact that it's even a possibility for next year is all I wanted to see. "Foreseeable future" could have been - for example - in their five year plan!

[Nigel]

I'll go through the report over the weekend and see what else stands out. At first glance, pretty pleasing.

[Nigel]

looks like a sell down to trigger stops, heart buying at 2.2 as support. expect a close around 2.5 today and consolidation next week.

report seems all good, may actually be walking the walk now...

Moosie - does this mean you're back in?? :)

[winner69]

Did they say well positioned?

Jeez they use a lot of words to say not much .... and this was only the half year

Hear about that dump of a house that got some 'dressing up' and sold for $1.2m - a few hundred though than what somebody had paid a month or so before

[simla]

......all sounding pretty spot on to me, couldnt be better and exactly as expected...

I think you're on the nail there, GR8DAY.

Not a few of us have sat through six years of this strategy, both with funds we could have used elsewhere and with gritting of teeth from time to time, and it is extremely satisfying to see victory only inches away. It wasn't easy sitting through some of those tough times, but it is a matter of pride to be so close to having hatched a valuable NZ business and a very valuable scientific breakthrough.

I'm very grateful to all the good folks of Blis, including our long-suffering, and very hard-working, CEO who put together this audacious plan, and his team of willing workers. I'm very grateful to the Board for sitting through this, thick and thin. Well done Dunedin.

And I'm very grateful for those fellow shareholders who have stood the distance. Well done, blokes.

And obviously I'm in awe of Professor Tagg for those very long years in the laboratory.

Having said all of which, we still have to wait for next year to see if this really is the win we've been hoping for! Odds definitely in our favour now though.

[clip]

If they don't get a mention in stuff/nzherald today i'm picking there will be a little bit of trading in the morn, lighter in the afternoon closing around 2.6-2.7. happy to be proven wrong :D

pretty happy with myself :P5080

[Harvey Specter]

pretty happy with myself :P5080Your "lighter in the afternoon" was a bit of an understatement". I see you picked some up at 2.3 so well done.

[clip]

Nothing is still less/lighter than something? clutching at straws hah. Probably a pretty easy guess but first one i've made correctly, pretty new to this. happy to have proven myself right :) and yes did well to get at 2.3 - replaced the ones gone for a bit higher yesterday

[In4a$]

pretty happy with myself :P5080
Great prediction, well done. I was going to get some more, but didnt think it would climb back so quickly. see what next week brings.

[GR8DAY]

I think you're on the nail there, GR8DAY.

Not a few of us have sat through six years of this strategy, both with funds we could have used elsewhere and with gritting of teeth from time to time, and it is extremely satisfying to see victory only inches away. It wasn't easy sitting through some of those tough times, but it is a matter of pride to be so close to having hatched a valuable NZ business and a very valuable scientific breakthrough.

I'm very grateful to all the good folks of Blis, including our long-suffering, and very hard-working, CEO who put together this audacious plan, and his team of willing workers. I'm very grateful to the Board for sitting through this, thick and thin. Well done Dunedin.

And I'm very grateful for those fellow shareholders who have stood the distance. Well done, blokes.

And obviously I'm in awe of Professor Tagg for those very long years in the laboratory.

Having said all of which, we still have to wait for next year to see if this really is the win we've been hoping for! Odds definitely in our favour now though.


.......very nicely put SIMLA, indeed it's easy to loose sight of the founding visionaries and their goals as we all get caught up in the hype surrounding such an overdue re-rating of the SP. Indeed it's been a very longhaul for some but now closer than ever for that vision to become reality. This is only my second stock (other than WDT) that I intend locking away for the longterm.......and for similar reasons ie........ beginnings of a much awaited turnaround.

[simla]

Just for fun, 52 weeks according to the NZX site:

BLT 200%, PEB 223%, ATM 12%, DIL, -12%, XRO 450%

Which one will top that list in 12 months, I wonder?

[Harvey Specter]

Just for fun, 52 weeks according to the NZX site:

BLT 200%, PEB 223%, ATM 12%, DIL, -12%, XRO 450%

Which one will top that list in 12 months, I wonder?with DIL hopefully coming right once it restates, that would have been a fomidable pick list for the stock pick comp.

[croesus]

Its guesswork....but if we have no news.... I would expect a slow drift to 1.4c over the next 8 weeks.. then I will buy more.

[croesus]

Hi Moosie .. Female Finnish Volleyball team actually,

that was a Cpl of months ago, just back from 3 weeks in India... trains mostly, Tea Plantations and F1 at Nodia ( near New Delhi ) and Trekking in Darjeeling region .. plus Diwali.. ( Big festival lots of fireworks )

Now back trying to earn a $.

Cheers

[blobbles]

Just for fun, 52 weeks according to the NZX site:

BLT 200%, PEB 223%, ATM 12%, DIL, -12%, XRO 450%

Which one will top that list in 12 months, I wonder?

I have got 4 of them in my portfolio and 3 in the stock picking contest, lucky me!

Not sure its entirely useful using that sort of point in time analysis as it is completely opening to choosing starting and ending points which insinuates data manipulation. I prefer cold hard data which only two of those on the list have (XRO does but its difficult for me to ascribe future value to a loss making company and for other reasons). Interestingly the two that have good data based on fundamentals instead of potentials are the ones with the lowest 12 month capital gains. That should tell you something about the current state of the market - that it is pricing in a lot of blue sky that may not eventuate.

[simla]

Its guesswork....but if we have no news.... I would expect a slow drift to 1.4c over the next 8 weeks.. then I will buy more.

Maybe. But it would be a risk to sell for a cent only to have the company issue an update in February saying they are exporting yoghurt or whatever to China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Australia and NZ, and Europe ("Upon receipt of export accreditation [(expected in December)] these products will be marketed in Australasia, Asia and parts of Europe.") And they did talk of launches "in major international markets" without stating how soon that was, or whether it was the same subject. A risky time to sell cheaply?

[GR8DAY]

.....agree Simla, just as I warned that the biggest risk with PEB was NOT owning them and what happens?......just a couple of weeks later the shareprice rockets from 49c through to about $1.75!!! I really do believe the same applies here to Blis esp. with the new well established shareholders....not like they spend millions buying into this story just to sit on their hands. You can bet your bottom dollar they are working away right now setting up marketing/supply/ distribution lines to get the product onto shelves in one form or another AND remember we are now talking CHINESE shelves (not to mention the rest of ASIA). Dont get caught up in the SP movements folks, focus on the BUSINESS POTENTIAL in front of us and I think you will not only end up holding tightly onto your stock but maybe even topping up along the way......just enjoy the ride.

[croesus]

Cheers Simla.

I agree, if I owned any ( not currently) I wouldn't sell under 2 c, but I think I have a good chance of buying some around 1.4c... if no news forthcoming over the next few months.

I have been in and out of BLT many times, and I like the product.. its great on Long Haul Flights..... but prepared to take the risk of not paying 2.7c...

I realise that decision could bite me on the rump... if they announce a massive deal... but life is about weighing risks.

Regards Croesus

ps You have been a believer and advocate for this stock for many years and I applaud you for that..... fingers crossed 2015 is the year.

Hopefully AOR/CRP will be the same....

[simla]

Thanks, Croesus. Personally, I see no reason why 2014 shouldn't be a great year. I'd be fairly surprised if the first half isn't at least operational profit, and pretty likely to be showing strong gains in income.

[simla]

You have been a believer and advocate for this stock for many years
I'm certainly not the only one, and I have very much enjoyed all those who have chipped in over the years. This would be a good time for a few names not often heard now to chip in. Anyone?

[neopoleII]

page 2 of this thread from 2007 when the shareprice was 9.9cents and the board was promising the earth ......... things havent really changed.
more cash goes in...... the "new" board promises the world.... and punters buy the free cheap shares that the "board" or big holders pass on to the
new generation of punters.
where is the profit?
EVERY SINGLE YEAR from first listing they have said they will be profitable next year.
and here we go again.
the "board" gets cheap 1centers and offloads to punters for a profit.
just read this thread from the beginning and you will get an understanding.
PS ..... this thread starts at the halfway point of BLT's history....... the first half is really sad, but has been deleted.
once the board can produce genuine sales figures ....... then yes...... its time to move on this stock.
otherwise........ read this thread and learn what is happening............
its your money that is being taken.
or at least risking it on rose tinted official news.

[winner69]

Deal with Swiss giant near

Good article in the Dom this morning.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4154865a13.html

Back on Page 1 Neopole

What happened to this deal

[pierre]

page 2 of this thread from 2007 when the shareprice was 9.9cents and the board was promising the earth ......... things havent really changed.
more cash goes in...... the "new" board promises the world.... and punters buy the free cheap shares that the "board" or big holders pass on to the
new generation of punters.
where is the profit?
EVERY SINGLE YEAR from first listing they have said they will be profitable next year.
and here we go again.
the "board" gets cheap 1centers and offloads to punters for a profit.
just read this thread from the beginning and you will get an understanding.
PS ..... this thread starts at the halfway point of BLT's history....... the first half is really sad, but has been deleted.
once the board can produce genuine sales figures ....... then yes...... its time to move on this stock.
otherwise........ read this thread and learn what is happening............
its your money that is being taken.
or at least risking it on rose tinted official news.

Good things take time
Rome wasn't built in a day
Good things come to those who wait
Even a snail will eventually reach its destination
etc, etc

[GR8DAY]

......agree Pierre, I guess we all have the choice to look to the future or live in the past (as Neopole clearly does)......new blood, new direction and re-newed hope. I can only presume he missed out on the v cheap/ free? (LOL) SPP shares and had a very bad weekend.......you'll come right Neopole as will/is BLIS TECHNOLOGY.

[Nigel]

I went through the half year report on the weekend. Overall satisfied with what I read.

I don't have time right now to detail all my thoughts, but one quick thing I noticed was some of the timeframes for their guidance. references to 12-18 months and 6-18 months give a lot of breathing space 'just in case' things don't happen quite as soon as they'd like. 12 months from now we still may be waiting for results and it's still within guidance.

The good news is that everything does look in place to make this happen, my only fear is that we still need to wait to see if it's going to work!

I think today's decrease down to 2.3/2.4c (and depth now dominated by sellers) may reflect some disappointment that things aren't happening 'now' and the shareprice was maybe getting ahead of itself a bit. But, as Gr8day (?) pointed out, good things do take time. An announcement about the success of the Sinopharm visit would certainly inject some excitement back into the shareprice!

[pierre]

I agree Nigel. It's the traders taking a quick profit now because it is going to take a while before there's any news of significance again.

The 1/2 year report was generally positive but it wont be until we see the full-year result that the market will have any real confidence that the company is finally on the right path.

However, I'm prepared to hold on for the ride - I'm convinced BLT will eventually be a winner. And yes, some good news about China would be definite fillip for the SP.

Maybe Rachel also had BLT in mind when she said "It wont happen overnight - but it will happen."

[GR8DAY]

I agree Nigel. It's the traders taking a quick profit now because it is going to take a while before there's any news of significance again.

The 1/2 year report was generally positive but it wont be until we see the full-year result that the market will have any real confidence that the company is finally on the right path.

However, I'm prepared to hold on for the ride - I'm convinced BLT will eventually be a winner. And yes, some good news about China would be definite fillip for the SP.

Maybe Rachel also had BLT in mind when she said "It wont happen overnight - but it will happen."


.......can I be so rude as to suggest she probably had Rod on her mind at the time?? (he was getting on in years after all)


Anyway a bit of a pull back in SP this morning, (no surprises there) and we could see it floating around these levels for a while BUT IF/WHEN more good news starts flowing (like directors topping up for example , hint hint directors) come 6-12mnths im picking the SP to have doubled if not trebled BUT more positives are needed (like sales figures in China and preferably by the millions, which is possible). Going to be my top-of-the list for the 2014 ShareTrader comp.

[pierre]

.......can I be so rude as to suggest she probably had Rod on her mind at the time?? (he was getting on in years after all)


Anyway a bit of a pull back in SP this morning, (no surprises there) and we could see it floating around these levels for a while BUT IF/WHEN more good news starts flowing (like directors topping up for example , hint hint directors) come 6-12mnths im picking the SP to have doubled if not trebled BUT more positives are needed (like sales figures in China and preferably by the millions, which is possible). Going to be my top-of-the list for the 2014 ShareTrader comp.


Nice one Gr8day - but I don't think Rod's rod has been much of a problem to him over the years - I think he just about needs a bus to take his whole family out to the football!

I'm thinking along similar lines to you about the prospects for BLT - will be nice to prove all the doubters wrong.

[GTM 3442]

page 2 of this thread from 2007 . . . where is the profit?
EVERY SINGLE YEAR from first listing they have said they will be profitable next year.
and here we go again. . . .

A quick question Neopole - has it been the same reason "every single next year" when they haven't been profitable ?

Do they constantly sell below targetted margin, sell below budgeted volume, blow out manufacturing costs, overrun the marketing budget, or whatever ?

Or mix'n'match these with other reasons/excuses ?

[Nigel]

A quick question Neopole - has it been the same reason "every single next year" when they haven't been profitable ?

Do they constantly sell below targetted margin, sell below budgeted volume, blow out manufacturing costs, overrun the marketing budget, or whatever ?

Or mix'n'match these with other reasons/excuses ?

Hey maybe it's just my dodgy memory, but I don't remember promises of profitability every year. There were often quite upbeat reports talking about how we were close to regulatory approvals or talking to suppliers or getting the product into new markets/stores, but I don't recall constant promises if profitability.

One of the key differences of Blis now to Blis 3 years ago is that now some well-monied, well-connected third parties have taken equity stakes in the company and are helping move things along. I think this will be the catalyst for taking what had always been awesome science, and nailing the commercialisation aspect which (even though it has made progress in recent years) has never taken off.

I wasn't excited that the headline revenue number was only up 24% although I note that this would be much higher if BFF revenues from the previous period were excluded and if development costs were capitalised instead if expensed as they were last time.

I wasn't excited about the prospect if the annual loss only reducing by a third - that's still a sizable loss.

And he wording along the lines if 'profitable operations in FY15' doesn't leave me certain that they will actually post a profit that year.

Failure to fire in the US market is disappointing but looks like whatever market access issue they had is largely resolved now.

On the positive side, NZ revenue was up 158%. A successful capital raising has massively strengthened the balance sheet and they now have new marketing alliances with well-networked groups who each have 'skin in the game'. Their new plant will be exporting soon and revenue growth will follow. Good to see more studies underway too.

The share price took a bit of punishment yesterday and may continue to fall back a touch, but it will also respond well to future announcements about China progress. I'm expecting something to come out about Sinopharm and these Chinese strategy (could be wrong but surely they'll want to tell us how well it went). This could be what we need to get the next decent price movement (in the right direction).

Good luck to all holders.

[simla]

Blis's strategy for the last 6 years has been based on their not having enough resources to go out and conquer the world alone. The plan was hatched to sell market sectors in return for the other companies to do the marketing. NZ sales have grown and grown (that Blis have influence over) thus proving the model is quite workable.

Since very nearly the start of this strategy (which you notice is also the time of the GFC, not an ideal backdrop!) almost the entire world has simultaneously created massive legal barriers to selling probiotics. Frankly this is bizarre in its heavy-handedness (in Europe, almost none of the large firms can now make any claims at all, much anger) and seems to coincide with attempts to limit the supplements industry as a whole, which is in line with a clamp down on all sorts of consumer "eaten" products like additives etc.

This clampdown has caused Blis huge problems and expense in two ways. Firstly, it is hard in most countries to legally claim your supplements actually do anything at all. Talk about helping consumers! So Blis has had to work very carefully to pick up consumer awareness in much slower and harder ways. Do not underestimate the difficulty this produces with advertising. Secondly, Blis always said food based product (yoghurt, beverages etc) were always going to be the king-hit markets. But gaining permission for these has taken years, and cost, and Blis is now just gaining access to that market. They brought out an ice cream in NZ that sold very well last/this year, but did not want to spend a lot of money competing on reducing ice cream production costs (see WDT for example of how expensive that is) when a high-fat ice cream presumably struck them as the weaker end of the market for supplements. I assume they opened with that because it was an easy test partner they had available in Dunedin. Recently they invested in other plant instead, the exact use of which is not yet clear to us, but appears maybe to be yoghurt or yoghurt powders, who knows.

Additionally, they had a global distributor to help find the various world-wide commercial customers they needed. Blis decided a couple of years ago (or more) to swallow the cost and difficulty of changing that distributor, presumably as they felt the result would pay off later. It has however involved a couple of years of tight times at Blis. I have anecdotally heard that changing distributor is very common with startups as it is common to find the initial distributor did not really believe how much growth was intended, or maybe just aren't geared for that sort of scale - and that the changeover is usually hard every time. But who knows what was the case here. Blis have understandably said little about the process publicly so we had a difficult time as shareholders for a couple of years in understanding what was happening.

And do not underestimate the difficulty, time and cost of developing the technology to include Blis products in the food.

As we understand the situation now, those problems appear to have largely been put behind the company. The new distributor appears to be bringing sales on line. And food sales look like they will come on line soon too, after much progress in legal permissions and technological prowess. And most food regulations DO allow advertising of the properties of the probiotics to some extent (as I read it, anyway). And happily, the company is also not talking about having any other problems as far as I can see.

All of which is just my understanding, naturally.

Which is why quite a few of us are now hopeful. Others understandably take the view that any explanation that long and complicated is obviously a desire to see things that aren't really there! We'll see.

[simla]

I would add, however, that NZ seems to be coming to understand that it takes time to launch companies. BLT (2001) is starting to look good. PEB (2001) seem to be getting out to market. WDT (1986!) seems to be coming right now. ATM (2000) has just started making profits. Even XRO was 2006 and has yet to profit. DIL started on Boardbooks in 2000 and only recently toook off.

There just seems to be a period of years during which work is necessary and during which the school of hard knocks seems to be required too.

[GR8DAY]

http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/2576843


.....if anyone has any doubts over the current and future applications for Blis' Technology, you might want to have a CAREFUL listen to this. Just another small reminder of what this little company is all about and the profound impact that the "over-prescription" of antibiotics is already having on the human race. Blis products may well be an answer (if not THE answer) to this growing issue of pan-resistant bacteria, as evidenced by our first fatality, caused by a "SUPERBUG"........and they talk of another possible case. This is very scary stuff and I personally stand firmly behind this company, Professor Tagg and his dedicated team. What the SP does or doesnt do, really becomes incidental when considering the broader implications to this "specie-threatening" problem and Im glad to be part of such an ethical, exciting and cutting-edge company.......it has all the INGREDIENTS I look for.......not to mention phenominal commercial potential should our worst nightmares come to fruition......and worryingly this could be happening right now.

[Nigel]

Thanks for the link Gr8day. I'm not a medical guru so forgive my ignorance... but how would taking BLIS save someone from the perils of a superbug? Is it just the 'crowding out bad stuff with good stuff' argument? Or is there more to it?

[GR8DAY]

........hi Nigel and I dont profess to be a medical guru either (in fact probably as ignorant as you.....with all due respect) but yes my understanding (or lack of) is that by strengthening our own GOOD bacteria (accounting for about 70% of bacteria) by taking Blis, we naturally improve our chances of "crowding out" the bad bacteria (as you put it)....BUT i guess the real strength with Blis lies in the "preventive" applications ie actually avoiding the use of antibiotics in the first place?? Im trying to understand it all better myself so welcome further input in this regard. Lets throw this open for discussion because I really do think the whole thing (including the business model) is going to be huge.

[clip]

that you in there with an ask at 1.6 moosie? :P

[Rego55]

Thanks for the link there Gr8day. I'm a new entrant to the share market having only really started trying to put together my own portfolio in the last month or so. I've read a lot of commentary on Blis with great interest. John Tagg was my lecturer when I studied for a zoology degree at Otago in the mid to late '90s. I took a few papers in microbiology and one or two pre-med papers. Professor Tagg was, without doubt, the lecturer that had the most profound effect on me and I remember him vividly. I assisted with Blis as did all of his students who agreed to take oral swabs to before/after taking the Blis formula. At least, I think that's how it worked - it was a long time ago. Anyway, I remember thinking back then that it seemed revolutionary and am proud to be a shareholder now. You're right to point out also, that investing in Blis goes beyond just looking for a monetary return - what they do could be very important for us as humans. The gentleman who died the other day after coming back from Vietnam is a terrifying example of what can happen.

[GR8DAY]

After having a talk with Croesus (good to meet you mate!) and doing some homework I will be looking to actively buy below 2 cents (won't say exactly what price though). this will be a buy and hold as well, not trading, on the assmption the company can turn around here. will notify all when I start buying so you can all start selling on my contrary indications :p

.....FINALLY!!!........welcome aboard Moosie as a "believer".......now go put that clever young brain of yours to good use and start reading (and sharing) any info you can on this technology and its applications. I too was a trader for a while but now have every intent on holding and following with interest all future developments attached to BLIS......I honestly believe this could become bigger than TEXAS!! ps......good luck trying to pick up shares under 2c, but I dont think you will be alone !!

[Nigel]

Welcome back Moosie (well, nearly). I agree - if this retreats to 1.5/1.6 etc, I'll definitely be buying more. Although things seem to have re-rated a bit, and I doubt it will head under 2c, but then again stranger things have happened. You so realise that if you sit around waiting for it to drop, you may miss out on the next jump if an announcement comes out. What's that old adage about "time in" the market rather than "timing" the market?

[GR8DAY]

Thanks for the link there Gr8day. I'm a new entrant to the share market having only really started trying to put together my own portfolio in the last month or so. I've read a lot of commentary on Blis with great interest. John Tagg was my lecturer when I studied for a zoology degree at Otago in the mid to late '90s. I took a few papers in microbiology and one or two pre-med papers. Professor Tagg was, without doubt, the lecturer that had the most profound effect on me and I remember him vividly. I assisted with Blis as did all of his students who agreed to take oral swabs to before/after taking the Blis formula. At least, I think that's how it worked - it was a long time ago. Anyway, I remember thinking back then that it seemed revolutionary and am proud to be a shareholder now. You're right to point out also, that investing in Blis goes beyond just looking for a monetary return - what they do could be very important for us as humans. The gentleman who died the other day after coming back from Vietnam is a terrifying example of what can happen.

.......my pleasure REGO and good to have someone on board with maybe a better understanding behind the science (which is, after all, what we're trying to sell to the world).
Yes Professor Tagg certainly sounds like a man with tremendous foresight and vision........I think one day mankind will be extremely grateful for his on-going efforts......I hope he is well rewarded (acknowleged).

[simla]

this will be a buy and hold as well, not trading
The taming of Moosie!

[simla]

Gr8day, I'm not sure of the relationship of Blis and superbugs. Anitbiotics are mainly aimed at bugs that penetrate the body via a wound or whatever, I believe. I imagine they can certainly get in there via the mouth, but I wouldn't pick that as the main entry point. However, the general need for hygiene and protection would seem likely to push probiotics, and oral ("gateway to the body") seems likely to pick up on that desire.

Personally, I can't believe that we're running out of anhtibiotics and yet the free-marketeers who run most governments are still pushing for the free market to solve it! I'm surprised they don't think the free market should be left to deal with wars too - "Oh look, there's tanks in the street outside. Won't be long before some entrepreneur deals with it! Top hole, what?"

[Harvey Specter]

Gr8day, I'm not sure of the relationship of Blis and superbugs. The problem with Antibiotics from my limited understanding is that we take far to many of them, so when we really need them, they use is more limited.

[GR8DAY]

Gr8day, I'm not sure of the relationship of Blis and superbugs. Anitbiotics are mainly aimed at bugs that penetrate the body via a wound or whatever, I believe. I imagine they can certainly get in there via the mouth, but I wouldn't pick that as the main entry point. However, the general need for hygiene and protection would seem likely to push probiotics, and oral ("gateway to the body") seems likely to pick up on that desire.

Personally, I can't believe that we're running out of anhtibiotics and yet the free-marketeers who run most governments are still pushing for the free market to solve it! I'm surprised they don't think the free market should be left to deal with wars too - "Oh look, there's tanks in the street outside. Won't be long before some entrepreneur deals with it! Top hole, what?"

...hi Simla. Well MY understanding is that is precisely what is happening (running out of antibiotics) as evidenced by the evolution of the "SUPERBUG"......there are no known antibiotics that can resist these nasties.........so maybe all too late for our generation(s) but if mankind survives long enough and becomes smart enough (not that you have to be very clever) and acknowledges the implications of freely prescribing ABs (the pills!) then maybe we will look at things differently by preventive measures instead ie strengthening our oWn immune systems by strengthening the "good bacteria brigade"........giving us a chance naturally. This can be done by taking Blis. Remember oral infections have been linked to heart and inflammation issues ALSO......

[simla]

I had a look at resistent pneumonia, which doesn't have to enter the body. Blis may help with that, as an example. The two ways you catch pneumonia are from droplets from other people and from complications from bacteria already in your mouth. Blis would appear to help with either of those. Also, a weakened immune system opens the door to pneumonia too, and Blis helps strengthen immune systems we're told.

So you may be right. However, a bit of a challenge for Blis to demonstrate the effect! Still, if it helps regardless of public claims that would certainly be good.

[GR8DAY]

....not to mention the link between recurring STREP THROAT and RHEUMATIC FEVER .......(currently a NZ goverment study is underway in Kawerau involving over 1500 school children to explore this)

PLUS (and this alone could be huge).......a strong correlation between poor oral health (gum disease, tooth decay) and ALZHEIMERS. Brain studies have shown that the release of bad oral bacteria from these 2 oral health issues, enter the blood stream then enter the brain to cause the death of healthy neurons. Just imagine if/when this sort of info' reaches the masses by way Doctor Oz or similar?!! Could and should happen IMHO.

[goldfish]

Ive been following this thread for a while, some informative posts, thankyou. However until they make some money i probably wont be investing, to many times they have been about to break into this market or sell this without it happening.
However i may get some on speculation if it drops to under say 1.5ish.
Keep up the informative postings though.

[croesus]

You are on to it Goldfinger.... every year for the last 6 at least... its been could ev should ev would ev... but.. oops... I can not see 2.2 c being sustainable unless we get real news.. will buy at 1.2c approx.... look at the 2 year chart... why people paid 3 c is beyond me...

[blobbles]

You are on to it Goldfinger.... every year for the last 6 at least... its been could ev should ev would ev... but.. oops... I can not see 2.2 c being sustainable unless we get real news.. will buy at 1.2c approx.... look at the 2 year chart... why people paid 3 c is beyond me...

Completely agree, one of those companies constantly "on the cusp", but with no follow through. I really hope they do though...

DISC: Sold out at 3c, might look at buying in if they actually start selling something! But TBH, with such a small amount of money in their capital raising, I don't see them doing a big marketing push into say China. Although hopefully one of their Chinese investors can use some guangxi to leverage one of their pharmacies to sell it. I will keep my eyes peeled on pharmacy shelves over here in China and tell everyone if I see 'em (probably right after I buy them!) :)

[Longhaul]

Absolutely new to BLT, and haven't read all 264 pages of this thread but I have a simple question (not trying to ruffle any feathers here). This sounds like a good product, but who is going to buy it? Has anyone on ST bought their product before and does anyone buy it frequently? Perhaps it is a solution looking for a problem, hence many years later people are still waiting for sales to eventuate.

[GR8DAY]

.......i think they currently sell around $30,000 of product per week......and I hope/expect this figure will treble over the next 12mnths. I base this not only on my own optimism and enthusiasm but big steps having been made recently with much much more to come. Who buys it?....well clearly we should all be buying it for both general AND specific health issues........for both curative AND preventative reasons. If/when the Asian market is "cracked" the sales growth could well be exponential. ps......I may be wrong on those figures, just off the top of my head. Simla??

[simla]

I think you are right that about $30k/wk is their expected target for the current year.

As to whether the product is any use, it is a rare day I don't take one or both of K12 and M18 myself. On the one hand my dentist really likes my mouth. And on the other we used to have colds here a lot and now pretty well never. And the M18 makes your teeth feel wonderfully clean.

[In4a$]

Absolutely new to BLT, and haven't read all 264 pages of this thread but I have a simple question (not trying to ruffle any feathers here). This sounds like a good product, but who is going to buy it? Has anyone on ST bought their product before and does anyone buy it frequently? Perhaps it is a solution looking for a problem, hence many years later people are still waiting for sales to eventuate.

Yes I tried and like it, certainly notice the effects of K12 & K18, no colds and teeth feel better. Being an old scrooge though, I feel its a bit expensive to take daily all year round, if they can break into the affluent Asian / European markets sales could soar. I am a trader in this stock, sold at a good profit last week but will buy again.

[croesus]

A weak close..... more news needed.

[hling88]

A weak close..... more news needed.

Bad news this morning. It seems the directors are dumping.

[clip]

Good chance to buy or something they know that we don't aka stay away you think?

[Harvey Specter]

Bad news this morning. It seems the directors are dumping.Its one director but still concerning. He and associated entities are in the top 20 shareholding and the amount sold is minimal.

[GR8DAY]

......needed a bit of christmas money probably??

[GR8DAY]

......needed a bit of christmas money probably??

[Harvey Specter]

......needed a bit of christmas money probably??Probably. Directors fees are only $5k so no gravy train there.

[GR8DAY]

......LOL. Im seeing another "top-up" opportunity coming up......any day now!!

[Bobcat.]

Bad news this morning. It seems the directors are dumping.

I calculate ~2m from a holding of ~13m. Anybody concur?

Either way, I agree - not a good look having directors dumping, and we wonder why.

Look at the chart for the past 12 months and you'll see after the sp's exponential rise Jan/Feb, there was a steady sell off...and that time it had risen to 3.4c. The is some risk that this could drop further before the next bit of good news sends it north again.

Discl: No longer holding but I do now have a bid sitting not far from market price.

[GR8DAY]

......as I said bob, he needed some xtra Xmas money! 2m out of 13m is hardly a "dumping".......we all have different reasons for buying AND selling. Agree tho not a good "look" but then again there are many different ways of "looking" at it. His call.......maybe the wife or kids needed a new car?? Good luck mopping up these cheapies!

[Harvey Specter]

......as I said bob, he needed some xtra Xmas money! 2m out of 13m is hardly a "dumping".......we all have different reasons for buying AND selling. Agree tho not a good "look" but then again there are many different ways of "looking" at it. His call.......maybe the wife or kids needed a new car?? Good luck mopping up these cheapies!And 'his' holidings are in multiple trusts so he may not even be the beneficiary. The trusts investment rules may also have come into play.

[GR8DAY]

.......Pacific Edge Bio (PEB) currently turns over about $650 pw (not a misprint). BLIS currently turns over about $30,000 pw (not a misprint) PEB has a market cap of about $406million,........Blis about $22million............hmmmm??? (that's a lot of catching up to do for BLIS, OR is it a lot of catching down to do for PEB) Both successful DUNEDIN based companies, both cutting edge, both with massive potential. At only 2c for a share of BLIS I know which one Im betting on at current SPrices.........lets see if Im right or wrong in 12mnths!

[simla]

Hear, hear.

[Nigel]

Looks like 2c may be the bottom of this little fall... (watch me now be proved wrong!)

I'm still wondering how the Sinophram visit went. I'd love to hear an update about what the next steps look like.

[GR8DAY]

........have you tried Emailing them direct NIGEL? ( that's your job today and let us know!)

Re:Shareprice........I suspect you might be right. I also suspect there will be some new SP action come the new year.......wouldnt be at all surprised to see it creep back over that quiet NewYear period......maybe back up to that 3c mark. Still sitting well underpriced in my opinion.

[emearg]

FYI I went to the dentist yesterday. It was the quickest and least painful dentistry appointment ever. Feedback was my teeth are in excellent condition. This is different to last year when I had lots of tartar and was told to floss several times daily.

What has changed? Not the flossing as I still only remember to do it once or twice a week. Not the brushing and I still do that twice a day. It could be the M18 which I started taking it in Feb 12. As noted previously I have seen far less tartar build up on a tooth where it used to be extreme!

Even if you think Blis is a terrible investment I recommend you start using M18. I take one lozenge a day of the following product. They say take two but I figure one is plenty based on the number of bacteria in each lozenge.
http://www.betterlife.com/product/adults-dental-care-probiotic-lozenges-peppermint/34888


My dentist appointment for 2013 went very smoothly last week! A quick clean was all that was required. X-rays show no change since the last one two years ago which is excellent news!

My dentist was full of praise. This is the same guy that was very unimpressed two visits ago. Threats of all sorts of nasty things if I didn't get my act together. As stated above (this time last year), the only change has been M18.

[GR8DAY]

.......yesterday I was searching specs on a Motorbike and guess what popped up?..........a window advertising the benefits of Blis!!.........couldnt believe it (this was not a NZ site).......so guess what?........I went and bought the motorbike!!!

ps...this is the second time this Blis POP-Up has happened to me so good to see the co. being proactive in promoting the products worldwide using the latest platforms.

[clip]

Its targeted advertising - the more you read about blis on here and elsewhere the more blis adds you will see. It does show they are approaching their online advertising in a good way though

[Longhaul]

ps...this is the second time this Blis POP-Up has happened to me so good to see the co. being proactive in promoting the products worldwide using the latest platforms.

GR8DAY, if you've visited the Blis website (or a website they own) they can target their ads to you as you browse other sites by placing a cookie on your internet browser. It's called 'remarketing' and I do it for the website I manage in my day job. They (probably Google in this case) could also target you based on your demographic profile, or your interests based on the types of websites you visit. (Scary huh).

[GR8DAY]

......hell's TEETH that's scary alright!!

[Harvey Specter]

I quite often get targeted advertising based on the companies I research. Has no one seen GeoOp ads despite not being a trades person. I also see lots of Xero ads.

Google knows what we look at but they arne't smart enough to know why yet.

[simla]

Addons for Firefox, Chrome, Internet Explorer, Safari: DoNotTrackMe. (Also for Firefox, NoScript, but which requires some user input.) (Obviously use these at your own risk, but they seem to have a good reputation.)

[GR8DAY]

......the BLIS one is following me everywhere now. Just went to check a site for my daughters sleep issues (lack of) and up pops Mr BLIS again.........maybe it's GOD telling me to top up again??

[skid]

......hell's TEETH that's scary alright!!
Ive even heard of people doing research on unsavory activities like child trafficking and having it turn up on their interests on facebook or somewhere similar

[skid]

......the BLIS one is following me everywhere now. Just went to check a site for my daughters sleep issues (lack of) and up pops Mr BLIS again.........maybe it's GOD telling me to top up again??

Now you will probably have pop ups for every church in NZ

[Nigel]

Meanwhile, volumes have calmed down, new base seems to have formed at 2-2.3c, and we wait for more news. All very dull compared to recent madness :) Could be a reasonable time to accumulate in anticipation of the next burst.

[blobbles]

......the BLIS one is following me everywhere now. Just went to check a site for my daughters sleep issues (lack of) and up pops Mr BLIS again.........maybe it's GOD telling me to top up again??

Only if you worship Sergey and Larry :)

[patrick]

Since joining the shareholders about 2 years ago i have ashed every chemist i have visited about the product and all have been very positive. Often mention of the reps from the Company who have been educating staff.
With this info i have been surprised local sales have not done better as there has been plenty of time to get "the message" out.
Took up the max entitlement in the issue so hope the new shareholders can push sales along.
My wife swears by the k12 for her cough.
dyor
Pat

[croesus]

Went on website today.. purchased approx. $120 worth of M18 and K12... .seamless. have been buying K12 for years as I fly often.. and its great for not getting sore throats etc.. looking forward to trying the M18

cheers

[Nigel]

Patrick, I too ask chemists about the product quite regularly. A few years ago, many staff hadn't heard of it, or described it incorrectly to me. I'm pleased to say the last few pharmacy staff I've spoken to were much more knowledgable about the product, and spoke very highly of it. It looks like word is getting out :)

[aquaman]

Patrick, I too ask chemists about the product quite regularly. A few years ago, many staff hadn't heard of it, or described it incorrectly to me. I'm pleased to say the last few pharmacy staff I've spoken to were much more knowledgable about the product, and spoke very highly of it. It looks like word is getting out :)

12 months ago I was in a pharmacy here in AK picking up a prescription of antibiotics when the chemist recommended that I take a probiotic after completion of script. Blis was recommended. I had never heard of Blis but this interested me enough to do some research and I have been a supporter and share holder since with increasing my holding over this period,of time. I still use everyday. Interesting that I brought up the name at work recently and a surprising number of people new of the product. I believe this will continue to grow and will be looking for any reduction in share price to increase my shareholding.
Disc.holding about 4mil

[Rego55]

Right, well I've decided that I've had enough of just being a shareholder and have ordered my first product as well as sending the website to a few people to encourage them to buy. Why not eh? As each shareholder holds a little part of the company we might as well get in there and do some marketing as well! Planning to increase my holding as I just think that products like this will become more and more important and I'd rather get in whilst the price is low!

[GR8DAY]

.......well I too have to admit I have yet to try our products (no need thus far).......however I went to the dentist on Tuesday, being the first visit in about 6 yrs! (after having all amalgam removed) to discover my teeth are not in great shape (a lot of fine cracks) . The dentist talked about the risks attached to bad bacteria entering your blood stream thru these cracks and then into your heart muscles.......gave me a bit of a fright to say the least! I immediately thought of Blis naturally......the dentist hadnt heard about it but wrote the name down and is going to do some research. This should be a major area that Blis could and should be pushing........every dentist in the country should know about it. I agree to the above that as shareholders we could be doing a lot more ourselves to promote the products........any marketing gurus out there that might have ideas? Even if we were all just to send info/links to our friends, families and associates this thing could snowball like topsy. Im ordering mine today also.

[Harvey Specter]

Just checked out their website - good but a bit overwhelming - what am I suppose to buy. I just went for the 1 pack of each special.

Why does only K18 have a 60 pack?
Why specials with mismatched quantities 3xK18 and 1xM18 (is that the proportion they are meant to be taken in?
Is the travel one different to the normal? and the Boost?

Why not a monthly subscriber service. Recurring revenue and builds a loyal following.

[skid]

You guys have some great ideas and observations but I guess the elephant in the room is --Why has'nt the people who are paid to manage this co. thought of these things?
If there are a few more like you maybe they wont have to do anything.

[skid]

Send your info to them.
Their web site has been a continual source of frustration.
Why dont they just spend a few bucks and get a real professional to design something that is clear and user friendly--Im sure it would pay for itself many times over.
As it is, they are their own worst enemy in terms of promoting a good product.

[fungus pudding]

Send your info to them.
Their web site has been a continual source of frustration.
Why dont they just spend a few bucks and get a real professional to design something that is clear and user friendly--Im sure it would pay for itself many times over.
As it is, they are their own worst enemy in terms of promoting a good product.


They certainly are. I have tried K12, was not impressed with that, and also tried the ice-cream they played with (yuk) and after reading this site, decided to try M18, thinking perhaps one out of three might be alright. Unfortunately the chemist I went to told me I would have to buy it online. He was keen to stock it but said they had enquired and couldn't get it from the rep. Unbelievable. And I'm in Dunedin.

[GR8DAY]

......just received the following after I asked them to simplify the uses for the 2 main products (K12&M18). Their response was concise and very prompt.....top marks in that regard.


"Hi XXXXXX

Thanks for contacting us - I see Mukesh has actually done a very good job of differentiating the products for you so I will just add a couple more specifics for you.

BLIS K12
This strain was originally selected for its ability to protect children against sore throats caused by the pathogenic bacterium Streptococcus pyogenes during a large trial on schoolchildren conducted in Dunedin. Since that time studies in Italy have confirmed that it is very effective at preventing sore throats with a 90% reduction in rates of Streptococcal sore throats observed for children who regularly experienced infections.

Additional studies have shown that Streptococcus salivarius K12 (BLIS K12) can help prevent bad breath in people who have severe halitosis and is now also likely to help prevent oral thrush (supported by animal studies) and influence the immune system to enable it to better clear up infections as well as reduce inflammation such as that present in gingivitis.

BLIS M18
This strain was selected for its ability to kill Streptococcus mutans which is the bacteria most commonly associated with dental caries (holes in the teeth). It has also been shown to reduce the build up of plaque and reduce inflammation in cell lines representative of the gums - meaning that it is likely to prevent gingivitis.

Therefore as Mukesh has said K12 is for preventing sore throats, alleviating bad breath and improving the immune systems ability to deal with infection (viral and bacterial) while M18 is targeted at preventing tooth decay and alleviating/preventing gum disease.

Kind regards
Philip



Dr Philip Wescombe
Scientist



BLIS Technologies Ltd
PO Box 5804
Moray Place
Dunedin
9058
New Zealand

Telephone: +64 3 4793061
Fax: +64 3 4798954
E-mail: philip.wescombe@blis.co.nz
Website: www.blis.co.nz

ENDS

[Minerbarejet]

No trouble signing in today and placing an order - everything all straightforward and also plenty of politeness, thank you etc. Seeing as Im in it may as well support it.
Cheers

[Minerbarejet]

Obviously a case of win win and putting your money where your mouth is.

Shear blis:)

[Nigel]

Obviously a case of win win and putting your money where your mouth is.

Or putting your mouth where your money is?

[Minerbarejet]

Doubt it- usually keep mine in the back pocket - bit hard to reach.:)

[Minerbarejet]

Has Blis gone marketing mad? Just about everywhere I go blis keeps popping up on the tablet or is that just because I bought some and google has found out and now I will blistzed for all eternity.

[bonne vie]

Has Blis gone marketing mad? Just about everywhere I go blis keeps popping up on the tablet or is that just because I bought some and google has found out and now I will blistzed for all eternity.

I know the feeling been blissed for months now - since I made my first purchase.

[skid]

Maybe google will stop doing that if you start inquiring about funeral arrangement for yourself:)