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Major von Tempsky
04-01-2018, 02:53 PM
I expect NZ First to drift down below 5% then it will all be a different ball game :-)

Aaron
06-02-2020, 07:41 AM
Looks like National is not only the Chinese party but the immigration party as well.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/unhappy-indian-voters-eye-shift-to-national/ar-BBZGBKI?ocid=spartanntp

iceman
06-02-2020, 08:05 AM
Looks like National is not only the Chinese party but the immigration party as well.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/unhappy-indian-voters-eye-shift-to-national/ar-BBZGBKI?ocid=spartanntp

Not really that suprising as these recent immigrants are largely hard working people that just want to get on with it and very likely that most of them don't want Winnie near the Government controls. Having said that, I think National should be very careful not to promise to change the new immigration law that so upsets the Indian community. I don't think arranged marriages where the woman often has no say in the decision, should be allowed in NZ

Balance
06-02-2020, 02:16 PM
Looks like National is not only the Chinese party but the immigration party as well.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/unhappy-indian-voters-eye-shift-to-national/ar-BBZGBKI?ocid=spartanntp

And why not?

https://www.msd.govt.nz/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/statistics/benefit/latest-quarterly-results/all-main-benefits.html

Beneficiaries under Labour keep growing so who's doing the hard work in the country to feed the tens of thousands of state beneficiaries who choose NOT to work?

fungus pudding
06-02-2020, 03:19 PM
Not really that suprising as these recent immigrants are largely hard working people that just want to get on with it and very likely that most of them don't want Winnie near the Government controls. Having said that, I think National should be very careful not to promise to change the new immigration law that so upsets the Indian community. I don't think arranged marriages where the woman often has no say in the decision, should be allowed in NZ

That's very sexist. What about the poor **** bridegroom? :scared:

artemis
06-02-2020, 03:20 PM
I expect NZ First to drift down below 5% then it will all be a different ball game :-)

Unless Mr Jones takes Northland. Kingmakers again unless Labour and Greens can form a government. Mr Peters came close in Northland in 2017.

Timesurfer
06-02-2020, 03:26 PM
Unless Mr Jones takes Northland. Kingmakers again unless Labour and Greens can form a government. Mr Peters came close in Northland in 2017.
And how many billion do they have to spend there to take it legitimately right?

iceman
06-02-2020, 07:49 PM
That's very sexist. What about the poor **** bridegroom? :scared:

Purely based on a personal observation of this happening close to me last year where the groom had a say but the bride had no say and no choice. I thought it was awful and totally against New Zealand values.

iceman
06-02-2020, 07:53 PM
Unless Mr Jones takes Northland. Kingmakers again unless Labour and Greens can form a government. Mr Peters came close in Northland in 2017.

Of course it is possible that Jacinda panics closer to the election and tries to gift Northland to Jones. Not sure how that would go down with the Greens though who surely will be demanding a lot more say should she get another term as PM than just being taken for granted like lapdogs like they have been this term. Would also say loud and clear to conservative voters that a vote for Winnie is a vote for the Greens.

fungus pudding
06-02-2020, 08:15 PM
And how many billion do they have to spend there to take it legitimately right?

That won't worry them. It's only the consolidated fund (read taxpayers) that will suffer.

Joshuatree
19-02-2020, 03:40 PM
https://www.interest.co.nz/news/1037...party-revealed (https://www.interest.co.nz/news/103719/three-four-people-facing-sfo-charges-over-200k-donations-made-national-party-revealed)

$200,000 over two years, the Chinese govt funding National.

winner69
19-02-2020, 04:26 PM
https://www.interest.co.nz/news/1037...party-revealed (https://www.interest.co.nz/news/103719/three-four-people-facing-sfo-charges-over-200k-donations-made-national-party-revealed)

$200,000 over two years, the Chinese govt funding National.

Wonder who they funding now?

Joshuatree
19-02-2020, 05:28 PM
Same horse,same race:-)

fungus pudding
22-05-2020, 12:42 PM
Good to see change of Leader for National. In spite of Simon Bridges' undoubted abilities and hard work, he was never going to make P.M. Life is cruel and he just did not have the X factor. Muller is a great orator, and hopefully will make an impression in the short time up to the election. It will be a rocky-ride for both parties up till September elections.

Balance
22-05-2020, 12:48 PM
https://www.interest.co.nz/news/1037...party-revealed (https://www.interest.co.nz/news/103719/three-four-people-facing-sfo-charges-over-200k-donations-made-national-party-revealed)

$200,000 over two years, the Chinese govt funding National.

Nothing compared to who have been funding Winston & NZF, and getting favours a plenty from them.

Balance
22-05-2020, 12:50 PM
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12334016

An excellent start.

There is only Team National and policies are to benefit all New Zealanders, not just the beneficiaries which St Cindy & her incompetents are hell bent on growing & cultivating for votes.

Panda-NZ-
22-05-2020, 01:28 PM
Paul Goldsmith still the alternative finance minister. ick. The new leader seems ok we'll see.

Hopefully they can deliver an example of a policy soon rather than a monolouge. Winston could make him pm maybe some here would like that.

artemis
22-05-2020, 03:05 PM
Paul Goldsmith still the alternative finance minister. icky. The leader seems ok.

Hopefully they can deliver an example of a policy soon rather than a monolouge.

There are a whole lot of policy proposals published by National, most detailed and most asking for feedback. Some policies have been announced. If you are not aware then you haven't looked.

Balance
22-05-2020, 03:11 PM
There are a whole lot of policy proposals published by National, most detailed and most asking for feedback. Some policies have been announced. If you are not aware then you haven't looked.

Donít expect Panda-NZ to understand the policies. He does not know a wage subsidy from wages paid, and how the subsidy does not go to the business.

Balance
22-05-2020, 03:13 PM
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12334074

A good speech from Simon. A good man but he is not the right person as National Party leader.

Onwards and forwards for him - there is plenty of time ahead for him.

macduffy
22-05-2020, 03:46 PM
Yes, well said by Simon - but the change will give National a boost and a chance to claw back some ground.

winner69
23-05-2020, 02:17 AM
The Todd look a like probably wonít lead National now

Spose Chris committed to continue with his efforts to win Botany

ynot
23-05-2020, 08:03 AM
Status quo for Winston. He can't loose under MMP. As much as I dislike him I would be happy to see him back National. Anything to remove Ardern.

Balance
23-05-2020, 08:12 AM
I thought Todd came across really well in the various interviews last night - confident, quick, clear minded and humorous. Great credentials too - excellent business background.

Or is it because Simon was so bad?

winner69
23-05-2020, 08:57 AM
Is that guy Hooton going to be Mullerís Chief of Staff?

winner69
23-05-2020, 08:58 AM
Whose Hamish Price?

fungus pudding
23-05-2020, 09:31 AM
Is that guy Hooton going to be Muller’s Chief of Staff?

That is confidential.

And Google will tell you about Hamish Price.

ynot
23-05-2020, 10:45 AM
I thought Todd came across really well in the various interviews last night - confident, quick, clear minded and humorous. Great credentials too - excellent business background.

Or is it because Simon was so bad?

I think all of the above !

fungus pudding
23-05-2020, 11:05 AM
I thought Todd came across really well in the various interviews last night - confident, quick, clear minded and humorous. Great credentials too - excellent business background.

Or is it because Simon was so bad?

Yes. That's pretty much it. Simon is undoubtedly clever and has plenty to offer - but lacking in charisma to appeal as leader - particularly following years of Key, then Jacinda. Both brilliant bringing NZ to world attention. Muller will be fine - not quite so sure about Goldsmith as finance minister. Excellent fellow, but might not be the best slot for him. Will soon know. And it's about time David Seymour accepted a portfolio. That is assuming Labour get booted out - a distinct possibility.

blackcap
23-05-2020, 11:48 AM
That is assuming Labour get booted out - a distinct possibility.

I hope so but the market totally disagrees with you. National according to the market now are a 1 in 7 chance. I managed to pick up some 8.00 on National overnight. If you want to make some money.. betfair.com and you can bet/invest on the NZ election. You can also make millions by going against Trump if you are so convinced... you can back anyone but Trump to be next president at about $1.90.

ynot
23-05-2020, 11:54 AM
I hope so but the market totally disagrees with you. National according to the market now are a 1 in 7 chance. I managed to pick up some 8.00 on National overnight. If you want to make some money.. betfair.com and you can bet/invest on the NZ election. You can also make millions by going against Trump if you are so convinced... you can back anyone but Trump to be next president at about $1.90.

4 months is a long time when staring down the barrel of depression.

Panda-NZ-
23-05-2020, 11:57 AM
All that has to be done is to compare the two parties. If the opposition are not any better then there's no point being that enthused about them. they can't change the fundamental aspects of this situation.

blackcap
23-05-2020, 12:05 PM
4 months is a long time when staring down the barrel of depression.

Agree, a week is a long time in politics. That is why I took some of the 8's on offer.

ynot
23-05-2020, 12:10 PM
All that has to be done is to compare the two parties. If the opposition are not any better then there's no point being that enthused about them. they can't change the fundamental aspects of this situation.

Labour could dig us a fairly large hole given the purse strings for another 3 years.

Panda-NZ-
23-05-2020, 12:13 PM
Labour could dig us a fairly large hole given the purse strings for another 3 years.

Cool, so what are the policies to address it? They want to increase the deficit even more so far. Again, picking between two imperfect alternatives.

winner69
23-05-2020, 01:47 PM
That is confidential.

And Google will tell you about Hamish Price.

Jeez, it is confidential ...Iíll withdraw the speculation that hooton is working for Muller:D:ohmy:

fungus pudding
23-05-2020, 01:53 PM
Jeez, it is confidential ...I’ll withdraw the speculation that hooton is working for Muller:D:ohmy:

That is a highly unusual display of wisdom from you.

Balance
23-05-2020, 02:21 PM
Labour could dig us a fairly large hole given the purse strings for another 3 years.

Exactly - quality of spending is so critical in the next 3 years - where, how and who to spend the billions of dollars of budget deficits on.

We know Labour will continue to squander the opportunities to spend wisely and effectively so let's see what plans Todd & National come up with in the next 4 months.

One thing for sure - Todd will get a decent hearing while as the public had given up on Simon.

Jury is still out.

ynot
23-05-2020, 02:28 PM
Exactly - quality of spending is so critical in the next 3 years - where, how and who to spend the billions of dollars of budget deficits on.

We know Labour will continue to squander the opportunities to spend wisely and effectively so let's see what plans Todd & National come up with in the next 4 months.

One thing for sure - Todd will get a decent hearing while as the public had given up on Simon.

Jury is still out.

There is a possibility the state of the nation may not quite be up to neck in dodo in 4 months but my guess is we'll be in enough strife by then for most punters to get the picture.

fungus pudding
24-05-2020, 08:11 AM
There is a possibility the state of the nation may not quite be up to neck in dodo in 4 months but my guess is we'll be in enough strife by then for most punters to get the picture.

Muller was quite interesting on the Nation yesterday. Repeated this morning on Channel 3 and 3+1.

Sir Ten
24-05-2020, 11:08 AM
Muller was quite interesting on the Nation yesterday. Repeated this morning on Channel 3 and 3+1.

Thanks for the prompt FP - an interesting interview. I watched it a couple of times. Second time around, I only watched Simon Shepherd - I don't think he truly listened to any of Muller's responses. Bunch of cliche segways between a list of questions intended to undermine any attempt by Muller/National to challenge the status quo... so just the usual I guess.

I thought Muller's inaugural speech on Friday was promising. As you'd expect, he was well prepared. However, I do worry that the constant and repetitive questioning from the media about his personal views on topics like abortion, gay marriage etc. will provide a barrage of sound bites intended scare voters away from supporting National for fear of being accused of supporting said personal views. I thought his response to such questions on Friday were well handled by referring to Nikki Kaye's more progressive stance, but at the end of the day, he is the leader and we all know how important a leader's views, allocution, smile, looks and references to Easter Bunny are... unfortunately trivial things like policies, experience, execution and team don't matter to the majority at the moment (although I expect that to change when the inevitable tax increases are floated, however this will be post-election once we're staring down the barrel of 3 more years)

The way in which the question around the 4m10s mark is asked is comical but worrying in its implication (i.e. that National has some sort of a problem with women)... "Is it that the National party just can not handle having a female leader... you've only had one in your history?". Prior to Cindy, Labour had had only one female leader as well? Quite sad how gender has become the first major focus of any candidate's suitability for key roles within politics and business.

Muller has his work cut out for him. Poor polling, a voting public that appears naive to the fact that smiles and good vibes won't pay the bills and a media unwilling or unable to hold the current Government to account.

Look forward to watching it all play out.

fungus pudding
24-05-2020, 11:32 AM
Thanks for the prompt FP - an interesting interview. I watched it a couple of times. Second time around, I only watched Simon Shepherd - I don't think he truly listened to any of Muller's responses. Bunch of cliche segways between a list of questions intended to undermine any attempt by Muller/National to challenge the status quo... so just the usual I guess.

I thought Muller's inaugural speech on Friday was promising. As you'd expect, he was well prepared. However, I do worry that the constant and repetitive questioning from the media about his personal views on topics like abortion, gay marriage etc. will provide a barrage of sound bites intended scare voters away from supporting National for fear of being accused of supporting said personal views. I thought his response to such questions on Friday were well handled by referring to Nikki Kaye's more progressive stance, but at the end of the day, he is the leader and we all know how important a leader's views, allocution, smile, looks and references to Easter Bunny are... unfortunately trivial things like policies, experience, execution and team don't matter to the majority at the moment (although I expect that to change when the inevitable tax increases are floated, however this will be post-election once we're staring down the barrel of 3 more years)

The way in which the question around the 4m10s mark is asked is comical but worrying in its implication (i.e. that National has some sort of a problem with women)... "Is it that the National party just can not handle having a female leader... you've only had one in your history?". Prior to Cindy, Labour had had only one female leader as well? Quite sad how gender has become the first major focus of any candidate's suitability for key roles within politics and business.

Muller has his work cut out for him. Poor polling, a voting public that appears naive to the fact that smiles and good vibes won't pay the bills and a media unwilling or unable to hold the current Government to account.

Look forward to watching it all play out.

I agree - promises to be the most interesting election since 1984. (Muldoon's Schnapps election)

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/barry-soper-35-years-later-behind-the-scenes-of-robert-muldoons-snap-election/

Of course this was back in the days of First past the post, not MPP; but Bob Jones' NZ Party made it interesting and great entertainment.
This coming one will be just as interesting, although for quite different reasons and not as entertaining

artemis
24-05-2020, 12:04 PM
National only needs a decent lift in the party vote for Mr Muller to stay in the top party job. That seems probable, and would have been the case under Mr Bridges' leadership as well.

artemis
24-05-2020, 12:05 PM
Duplicated post

Sir Ten
24-05-2020, 12:21 PM
https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018747615

Lisa Owen asked Muller whether Nikki was better placed to be leader - no mention of gender... there is hope.

fungus pudding
24-05-2020, 12:24 PM
National only needs a decent lift in the party vote for Mr Muller to stay in the top party job. That seems probable, and would have been the case under Mr Bridges' leadership as well.

Could you explain 'top party job'?

fungus pudding
24-05-2020, 12:25 PM
https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018747615

Lisa Owen asked Muller whether Nikki was better placed to be leader - no mention of gender... there is hope.

? Hope for what?

Sir Ten
24-05-2020, 02:03 PM
? Hope for what?

Journalism... maybe I'm the naive one

fungus pudding
24-05-2020, 02:25 PM
Journalism... maybe I'm the naive one

Seems a dopey question. Doesn't demonstrate hope for anything.

Sir Ten
24-05-2020, 03:35 PM
Seems a dopey question. Doesn't demonstrate hope for anything.

Why do you say that? Before Friday, I had barely heard of Muller.

The question as to whether Nikki Kaye would have been a better leader seems a good one, so long as that proposition it isn't premised purely on her sex.

fungus pudding
24-05-2020, 03:38 PM
Why do you say that? Before Friday, I had barely heard of Muller.

The question as to whether Nikki Kaye would have been a better leader seems a good one, so long as that proposition it isn't premised purely on her sex.

It just seems a silly question to ask Muller. What did she expect him to reply!

winner69
24-05-2020, 03:51 PM
Seems I was wrong with that speculation Hooton being MuLlerís CoS