Not worried >>> maybe next one we will get the Plug in HYbrid
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Tesla bot (humanoid) coming next year.
Replacing manual labour jobs.
Musk predicted universal basic income to those losing there manual labor jobs .
Tesla stock to Mars.
I doubt this technology will be developed for developing nations .
With high scale production these like all technology will eventually come down in price.
The Tesla bots will be far more productive than a human manual labourer from Western society.
They are likely to work 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days of the year with no union members.
This will drive down wage inflation pushing interest rates to negative world wide.
Universal basic income will become a must moving forward.(no need for me I own the company)
And following is another prophecy for you. Just remember, you heard it here first folks! :)
If & when TeslaGod's prophecy fully comes to life (let's face it there's a fair chance - automation & AI is already a well entrenched trend), then Governments will move to protect their tax & "control" base. They will claim to have no choice but to implement Robot levies/payroll taxes AND remove any related interest tax deductibility AND exclude eligibility for a) depreciation on robot/AI assets b) exclude R & D credits on robots/AI.
An interesting world it would maketh. What other unintended consequences will emerge I wonder.
Tesla has begun the end of the internal combustion engine car.
This is the natural next stage of the companies evolution.
https://youtu.be/VsbgCPOW1HQ
I don't disagree the future will see Billions out of work ..because of Tech - ROBOTs etc ...
I don't think the upper classes will care much for UBI .for the masses what will they do we do have climate change issues less humans less emissions ?? .. if their use is gone ?? does the farmer keep the COW when it stops milking ? straight to the Slaughterhouse..
Answers
-Western population as well as China is already declining through lower birth rates
-Humans are very resilient, I retired relatively young and still never seem to have enough hours in the day.
-I guess the cow may go the way of the horse and cart,who knows.
One thing is certain, technology has sent gdp to the moon.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/w...-two-millennia
Whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. (Desiderata - Max Ehrmann)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m-6o41CpHw (Les Crane version)
China definitely needs to add to its population to keep up it's low paid workforce serving the western world as well as servicing an aging population.
Also to keep there economy growing
However
Once Tesla have mass produced these humanoids
the outsourced cheap labour will return to the wealthy western countries leaving cheap Asian labour to eventually evaporate.
Tesla could end Chinas plans of world domination.
I see a prototype in the next 12 to 24 months and mass production beginning in 5 years.
This all plays out over the decade.
I'm Overweight TSLA
I watched A.I day, they are developing technology and batteries no one can dream of, the other ev makers don't stand a chance.
A Tesla ev rarely needs maintenance, so most likely these Tesla bots will either.
The great thing is Elon said he was willing to licence out this technology to other companies.
That's game over,there is no Android vs Apple.
Just Tesla.
I wonder why David Chaston from interest.co.nz didn't once mention Tesla in this clip?
Oh that's right Tesla don't pay for advertising in mainstream media.
https://youtu.be/9o9dqn4PS60
Yes ....I presently reading the book "Capital" on the history and demands India has centred around "Delhi" in the north....
around 17-20mill people try entering the workforce per year in India ... add in China ... thats a massive amount of people looking for work just in two major populations ... if the future is A.I taking away jobs from the present workforce ??
going be some major famines, civil unrest
I wouldn't be investing capital into developing nations ,it sounds like Tesla bots will be able to do jobs most humans can do.
Thankfully we live in a developed wealthy nation
I guess our world class farmers won't need to import low paid labour in the next 10 years.
Tesla is becoming more profitable by the day as free cashflow boom's higher after Capex
Tesla running out of debt fast !
Can't say the same for dying ICE maker's.
Financial year 2021 Tesla 2h free cash flow looking at 3billion.
Forecast financial year 2022 free cash flow 11Billion
No brainer , Tesla will hit investment grade first half 2022 if not earlier.
Still Overweight Tesla
Price target 1000 to 1100 6 to 12 months.
3k to 4k PT in 48 to 60 months.
What about all the EV comp coming.Tesla was way ahead of the pack.The pack is increasing hugely and making big gains. You can order a Ford F150 EV ute for re US$ 40,000 , 300 mile range.
few key F-150 Lightning specs:
- The 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning is a five-passenger SuperCrew cab with a 5.5-foot bed. These are the same dimensions as its conventional counterpart, meaning common accessories and equipment will work and fit just the same.
- Maximum payload of 2,000 pounds, of which 400 pounds can go in the frunk where the engine used to be.
- It can tow up to 10,000 pounds.
- With extended battery: 563 horsepower, 775 lb-ft of torque, and a driving range of about 300 miles on a single charge.
- With standard battery: 426 hp, 775 lb-ft, and a range of about 230 miles.
- Front and rear motors provide standard all-wheel drive, and skidplates protect the underbody while off-roading.
- It retains the full-size spare tire in the back.
Just as sudden as an actual lightning strike, the F-150 Lightning becomes the quickest and most powerful F-150 in the lineup. Ford estimates it can accelerate from 0 to 60 mph in 4.4 seconds. The quickest Ford F-150 MotorTrend has tested was the previous-generation off-road Raptor model, with a best time of 5.2 seconds.
Another key point: The 2022 Ford Lightning becomes the first F-150 to get an independent rear suspension—necessary for packaging the rear motor—along with its corresponding benefits to ride and handling. The truck does not have air suspension.
In other words, the Lightning not only goes electric but also addresses common complaints people have of most trucks: fuel economy, ride, and handling.
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How Else Does The Lightning Differ From The Standard F-150?
Riding on a new EV platform, with the latest electrical architecture and fourth-generation electronics, the F-150 Lightning becomes the smartest and most connected truck in Ford's lineup, offering a new wealth of features and apps, along with a giant 15.5-inch touchscreen to access many of them.
It also makes it easier to receive over-the-air software updates throughout its lifetime to address potential issues and to also update and add new features, such as better maps, seamless charging and payment, or enhanced BlueCruise, Ford's hands-free highway-driving assist system.
Please Repeat That Starting MSRP Again …
Perhaps the most startling Lightning feature is its starting price. As mentioned, the base work truck starts at $41,669 and is available for both retail and fleet customers. It is one of four trims; the others are the popular XLT (which starts at $54,669), Lariat (starting price forthcoming), and Platinum (about $90,000).
For comparison, the 2022 GMC Hummer EV electric pickup launches this fall with the fully loaded Edition 1, which starts at $112,595. The lowest trim, the EV2, runs $79,995 and won't be available until 2024. You can buy two Lightning XLTs for the price of a Hummer Edition 1. Another competitor, the 2021 Rivian R1T that goes on sale next month, starts at $67,500. Teslacontinues to develop the Cybertruck, which it wants to sell for $39,900, but past experience suggests it will sticker for much more, and the launch date, potentially by year end, may be fluid going on late.
Ford is taking reservations for the Lightning now, requiring a $100 deposit to get on the list. Officials won't say how many orders will constitute a sold-out first model year, but the company expects strong demand. About 2,300 of Ford's 3,000 U.S. dealers are certified to sell and service EVs, and the Lightning initially will only be available in North America.
Meet Ford's New Skateboard (And Battery)
The 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning has been in the works for about three years, and it is the first vehicle on a new dedicated electric-vehicle platform. The skateboard was designed from the ground up with a new frame positioning the battery pack between the rails, extending between the front and rear motors. There are no plans to add a third motor for performance. An exoskeleton, waterproof casing, and full-body metal skidplates protect the battery.
Ford did not reveal the size of the Lightning's pouch-style lithium-ion battery packs. The high-energy-density cells use a nickel-manganese-cobalt cathode chemistry with particularly low cobalt loading. They will come from the new SK Innovation battery plant in Georgia. For repairs, technicians will be able to remove suitcase-sized sections of the battery.
The skateboard is flat and low, which makes loading items into the front trunk (frunk) easier. The front suspension was also bolstered to give the frunk a payload of 400 pounds.
Batteries are heavy, and the truck weighs about 6,500 pounds, roughly 1,000 more than the same truck with the 3.5-liter engine. The batteries alone weigh about 1,800 pounds, Ford officials told President Joe Biden during a tour of the Rouge Complex in Dearborn, Michigan, where the truck will be assembled. Biden later took one of the Lightnings for a spin in an empty lot, with a U.S. Secret Service agent in the passenger seat. "This sucker's quick," the commander in chief said afterward.
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Charging The 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning
All trucks come with a mobile charger that can either plug into a standard 240-volt outlet, which provides about 13 miles per charging hour at 32 amps, or into a regular 120-volt outlet to charge at 3 miles per hour. The new 80-amp home charger, Ford Charge Station Pro, is the better way to go, charging up 30 miles of range in an hour and getting the larger extended-range battery from 15 to 100 percent charge in about eight hours.
At a DC fast charger, the extended-range Lightning can gain 54 miles of range in 10 minutes and charge from 15 to 80 percent in about 41 minutes. The charge port is on the front driver's side of the vehicle, as opposed to the Hummer, which puts the port at the back of the truck on the assumption owners will back into the charger stations.
The Lightning uses 400-volt charging, as compared with 800-volt charging for the Hummer.
Ford has cobbled together a network of 63,000 charge plugs from assorted partners, and the number grows. On-screen apps help find available chargers and are supposed to show, in real time, if they are working and available. Customers can use the FordPass app to access them. Buyers will receive the first 250 kW free, which should be good for about four full charges. The onboard Intelligent Range feature will figure out the best places to recharge, factoring in weather, traffic, payload (determined by onboard sensors), towing weights, your driving habits, and more, to adjust the range accordingly.
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Ford and all ICE vehicle maker's will have to run at a loss for a decade to catch up to Tesla.
How can an ICE vehicle manufacturers change 50 to 100% of there core business that they have been running for 50 to 100 years and not expect to hurt there bottom lines.
Tesla is becoming profitable by the billions.
Ford has to rely on Investors and government handouts accepting a loss for years while Tesla has already been through this stage over a decade ago.
By the time these dinosaur companies catch up TESLA will be in full production mode of there TESLA bot, and will have solved fully automated driving.
@Joshuatree
I just don't think people realise how hard it is to manufacture electric vehicles , then do it at a large scale at TESLA'S rates.
Most will fail as has shown in the history of ICE maker's.
Musk has said he only wants 20% of the world market share, I think he's just being polite because he already knows what's going to happen to TESLA'S competitors this decade.
Your not building a smartphone to compete with Apple, your trying to mass produce a robot on 4 wheels that is beginning to think for itself.
I like a lot of these EV companies.
The problem is, which is going to make it through , how and why.
Most believe they will follow Tesla's success, most people don't realise how many car maker's have failed.https://stacker.com/stories/5360/50-...o-longer-exist
If you're into gambling on the next Tesla you might as well put that capital into crypto , the chances of finding the next Tesla are slim at best.
Tesla has much safer odds , all financials show the company is only increasing its compacity.
Tesla is a growth company with a story, trying to replicate that is next to impossible.
Ah yes I fondly remember my first Saturn...
Have small holdings in NIO, Lucid Motors & Hyliion. It's a very crowded space and all current manufacturers have been developing their own EVs. I do wonder when Apple will launch their own car, it's very public knowledge that they've been stealing Tesla engineers for years. One things for certain Tesla will be at the front of the train.
Ford says reservations for F-150 Lightning electric pickup top ...https://www.cnbc.com › 2021/07/28 › ford-says-reservati...
Ford share price in May 9 1997 $13.29
Ford (F)@ Market close today $13.17
Imagine if you invested in this company if you were born in 1997.
Ford has to run there company at a loss to change the make up of there company into EVs.
They will most likely go bankrupt unless they rely on government support, as we have seen with Holden in Australia (and NZ) government support will eventually dry out.
Most of these legacy ICE manufacturers will eventually go under in the next decade or so.
Ford PE 15.56
Tesla PE 387 ish
I hope so for my mate who has all his money in tesla and is amultibagger atp, but alot of contenders snapping at the wheels, lifting legs even;). Ford has a huge following of ICE F100 owners, they will switch to the EV version through all the dealerships and relationships they have with those country wide dealers.
Im very sad you said those last 4 words.
711 today my PT 1000 to 1100 in 6 to 12 months.
Catalyst
Berlin open
Texas open
Cyber
Tesla A 25k model
FSD next year released
Roadster
Semi
First million produced year
3k to 4k in 48 to 60 months.
All the above catalyst plus 50% yoy growth.
As Wall Street wakes up to this, stock becomes more stable.
Ignore Fud Ignore politics
I take profit's when prices are frothy like February this year, I'll do the same next year.
I'm overweight now but get greedy when it falls.
The EV market in the USA can grow 10 fold and still not catch up with much of the world. There is plenty of room for Ford to go EV, the trouble they will have with the Ford EV truck is that it eats their most profitable market - ICE trucks. Cybertruck will take some of Tesla's traditional sales, but will not appeal to all Tesla owners.
My current conservative earnings model through 2023 gives the following EPS:
2021FY: $4.65 EPS
2022FY: $12.09 EPS
2023FY: $19.45 EPS
At current share price of $700, it’s trading at ~35x my 2023 earnings estimate. Fairly cheap for such a high growth company.
Wall st hasn't caught on yet
Set up looking like a break out to upside will begin our summer after earnings report and deliveries
Fed taper talk already priced in
Fed not looking at raising OCR possibly until 2nd half 23
This is the problem with the new EV maker's like Rivian .
The want to go public with an IPO valuation of 80b.
... without selling a single car? they believe they are already bigger than Ford ?
I hope they do well but to get up to even a quarter TESLA'S scale across the world it's a VERY VERY long hard road.
When mainstream media say opposition is coming, I'm not losing sleep over my large investment in Tesla.
"Don't look for buybacks here.. Tesla's expenditure on solving transport and autonomy is on track to surpass that of NASA by mid decade.."
Morgan Stanley.
GAAP Basic.
pasted model below, but this forum pixelises it quite a bit (slightly better resolution if you click on image)
but you’ll see I’m quite conservative on things like Energy and assume a slow ramp up of new models (and no $25k model included yet)
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US 10y treasury sold off on Jerome Powell taper talk over night down -2.24% to 1.312 my 1100 PT has TNX to aprox 2.00 (inflation looking transitory Fed) so still looking strong for Tesla and other growth stocks.
Reports coming out of India Tesla may be setting up shop there.
TSLA 50 day MA crossed the 200 day moving average, should be bullish sign with my catalysts
Although Tesla is the market leader in EV.
Autonomous driving is a must.
Competitors will have there version in 5 to 10 years.
It will be a must and apart of your requirement to enter this space..it will also be very expensive.
Tesla already ahead in Technology and price.
Tesla received approval for 4 models in India.
There's over 10million people with an income of $30,800 USD and up in India.
Rumors India may cut import tax to have Teslas made or imported in India.
US 10 year treasury falling (again) to 1.271%
Tesla up in pre market to $735 most likely on news coming out of India.
Equities higher on U.S August ADP payroll data of 374k versus estimates of 625k
RBNZ may pay attention to this
PT TSLA 1000 to 1100 6 to 12 months.
Woke up at 4am to buy Lucid Motors dips this morning. Will continue to DCA into Tesla each month.
Tesla FSD beta 10 rolls out next Friday to testers, 10.1 may be released to U.S customers publicly if successful in approximately a month.
Every step is closer to saving countless lives world wide.
Car's don't kill people, the people operating the car's do.
I think you should do more of your own research instead of reading mainstream media headlines.
Between 2018 and 2021 there were 11 Tesla crashes involved with first responders emergency vehicles.
On average with internal combustion engine vehicle's there are per year in the US
6500 ambulances are hit
31600 fire trucks are hit
Obviously leading to many deaths.
Most media have an interest in being anti Tesla because they don't pay for advertising.
Government departments have been told to be strict on Tesla because of there non union stance.
When Tesla has solved fully automated driving it will save countless lives.
Nice stat quote and conspiracy claim, but those 'estimated' figures from the first search hit are for ALL accidents, not just stationary ones being plowed directly into.
I also don't think the type of power train of the vehicle has much to do with it.
Regardless, there has been a weak spot identified in Tesla's system that they seem reluctant to admit/address - an ongoing pattern of behaviour that may hurt their future prospects.
And not many tesla's compared all other vehicles on the road - which may have a bearing on the numbers
The government official being interviewed drive's a Tesla but has to act dumb considering they are the biggest ev manufacturers in the world..it's no conspiracy theory it's a well known fact.
https://youtu.be/hMVSFDoZcmU
ICE vehicles have collision avoidance systems too, which is what the issue here is.
If any other make/model with these systems was also showing the same tendency, they would rightly be investigated too.
FWIW, FSD isn't something to be 'solved' - there will be an ongoing evolution of the systems to handle more and more situations and 'edge cases'.
There isn't a "finished" box to tick, indeed as per human drivers.
The point where that is "good enough" to use on public roads is up to legislators in each jurisdiction, not Tesla.
Wow, maybe I should leave you to your ongoing discussion with yourself....
Collision avoidance??
It's called a break used in conjunction with human sight, if you're driving an Ice vehicle or an EV there is no such thing as legal full self driving vehicles, you need to be in control of the vehicle at ALL TIMES, it legally state's this on the Tesla disclaimer app.
I suggest you back out of this debate before you make yourself sound even more stupid.
I see you are following the standard internet argument handbook issued to all Tesla / crypto fanboi's.
I'm not the one in danger, but feel free to carry on - I can't be bothered.
Somehow I think your the odd one out.
https://www.money.co.uk/investing/po...tment-searches
Outstanding!
You can certainly follow a checklist, just not a rational discussion.
I'm more than capable of a constructive discussion, just not with people who Google something just to paste on this thread without even bothering to research the genuine facts.
Anything I post on this forum, anywhere, I have a good to advanced understanding of the topic.
2021 fastest growing brand...Tesla.
Rank Brand Brand Value % Growth Category
1 Tesla 275% 🚗 Cars & Transportation
2 TikTok 158% 📱 Media & Entertainment
3 Pinduoduo 131% 🛍 Consumer Goods & Retail
4 Meituan 119% 💻 Technology
5 Moutai 103% 🍺 Food & Beverages
6 Instagram 100% 📱 Media & Entertainment
7 Uniqlo 88% 🛍 Retail
8 Lululemon 85% 🛍 Retail
9 Chipotle 82% 🌯 Food & Beverages
10 JD.com 75% 🛍 Retail
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/fas...g-brands-2021/
Cyber truck delayed until late 2022
Giga Berlin approved to begin manufacturing next month.
25k model Tesla ( possibly) may not come with steering wheel or foot pedals, FSD
Tesla expected growth of 10x(company)
US August payroll major fail with only 235k jobs added compared to estimates of 720k
This is good news for Tesla and other growth stocks
Lowers the chances of Fed raising the OCR, and tapering off asset purchases early
Delta possibly the main cause
I wonder if the RBNZ is paying attention to this.
US economy slowing a long with China and developing nations, why the RBNZ wants to raise the OCR in this international climate doesn’t make sense.
To be fair, you are quoting an article form Russ Mitchell - a widely discredited Tesla Troll. Just Google “Russ Mitchell” and “incorrect Tesla claims” to see how useless he is.
To the topic at hand - There is no “Full Self driving” Tesla system in operation yet outside of a handful of beta testers. Every Tesla ships with “Autopilot” - which is not FSD, but instead a driver assist feature, much in the same way as most other manufacturers have cruise control and lane keeping systems on their cars. All these system require the driver to pay attention to the road as they are still considered to be 100% in control of the vehicle. Like other manufacturers, Tesla cars have alerts and feedback checks in operation to confirm drivers are paying attention. If someone crashes into a parked vehicle while using autopilot - then they are responsible for the crash, pretty simple really. I would bet heavily that will be the resulting findings of the safely investigation - because it’s already been the official result of every investigation of a single crash where the autopilot system was engaged.
Stories that Tesla has to deal with on the regular.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/motoring/30040...-him-faking-it
Damage already done.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ng-texas-limit
On a brighter note TSLA up today 2.64% compared to the Nasdaq 0.1%
Despite chip shortage Tesla posted record China sales in August should be good 3rd quarter results to come.
Proof the Union's and politicians are as corrupt as each other
Although Tesla being non union . but pay there workers well and with Shares in the company, Tesla will still kill it when Texas Giga opens even with $4500 less tax credit than the corrupted Union car maker's Ford GM
The US government bailing out these dieing Zombie companies yet again
They are so far behind, they have to bribe politicians to catch up... good luck with that.
https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/202...-vehicles.html
Morgan Stanley analyst on Tesla
https://youtu.be/7tY8yDvbeFA
5 green day's for TSLA this week.Set up looking like 2019
Futures down in Asia with Fed meeting this week to decide when to taper back asset purchases.
Elon Musk mocks President Biden after SpaceX completes first all-civilian mission
Elon Musk mocks President Biden after SpaceX completes first all-civilian mission
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/19/elon...ndroidappshare
Elon mocks Jeff Bezos for anti aging focus:
...then donates $50m to anti-cancer efforts
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/19/b...ewmarketribbon
Stating the obvious.. but young people dont get cancer.
Lot of red pre market, Im cashed Up and ready to pick up some bargains should the market drop this week ahead of the Fed meeting and fear in China market.
If Tesla drops below 700 as global markets panic I'm going in another 100k easy, no fear, no emotion, no doubt just conviction in my largest holding.
2022 is going to be a repeat of 2020 as compacity doubles with Giga Austin and Berlin.
Add 8k EV credit from sleepy Joe Biden and it's all free cake considering its 0 EV credits at the moment
I'm not even pricing in FSD either .
I just bought more,I'm hoping for a much bigger pull back this week fingers crossed.
Confirmed reports by ministry Trade and Chamber of commerce Tesla may be building a Giga factory in Korolov Russia. Musk talked about this earlier this year.
US 10 year treasury down 4.45%!!
The markets pricing in deflation.
This is good for growth stocks like Tesla.
TSLA soldier's on up %1.70 compared to the Nasdaq up %1.02 after Fed indicated it would start tapering soon although didn't indicate when.
Fed members remain split on when there OCR will increase looking at 2nd half 2022.
Inflation still seen as transitory although more stubborn than predicted this year.
Tesla announced that it has broken ground on a new facility called ‘Megafactory’ in Lathrop, California.
It will be used to produce Megapacks, Tesla’s biggest batteries for stationary energy storage
Tesla up 2.75% on close compared to Nasdaq flat on 0.03%
TSLA has now broken through April resistance of $762.
3rd quarter results looking strong/
Sleeping Joe Biden EV 8k Tax credit /
FSD 10.1 expansion .
$1000 to 1100 Per share price target 6 to 12 months.