Yes, what I'm saying is nothing new - it's all been said one way or another, just like NTLs announcements and SPP plans for the last decade too - copy and paste jobs, exactly how you like them ;) - so I thought I'd regurgitate the same counter points as well. I don't doubt yours or any others experience, and I'm not saying you can't make money from NTL by trading it. This SPP may work in your favor, infact I hope it does although it doesn't invalidate any points I've brought up regarding the management of NTL and performance to date and they are worth at least considering before ploughing more money into it.