The question should be what evidence is there that he shouldn't be trusted. I gave reasons why Luxon shouldn't be. You need to do the same or is your glass always half empty.
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So for this post, the self appointed site and thread goon BlackPeter responded with post#233 and a negative rep.
My comment from Morgans days was based on how TOP was generally perceived at the time.
Fast forward to todays NZ Herald, and what do I read?
Labours Ilam Candidate Sarah Pallett says re the TOP candidate "i do think he will split the LEFT vote, and will take votes away from me"
Conclusion: no more likely to be in coalition with National than Labour.
Now while we are on politics, lets take a snap poll.
Hands up everyone who has had a negative reputation from Getty?
Hands up everyone who has had a negative reputation from BlackPeter?
Heck! What a landslide whitewash down trou!
None vs untold!
Getty believes in the interchange of expression and ideas and giving people a fair go.
Thankyou to the providers of the site for enabling this.
BlackPeter believes in suppression and being a control freak, trying to eliminate opposition.
Hey JAK, I think your Poll is well and truely vindicated, only half way through the week 39 votes, 400 replies and almost 9000 views. Well done, good call putting this out there, I'm looking forward to seeing how the results on Saturday compare to the past two weeks.
This may help some of you better understand where TOP is coming from. Obviously it only applies if and when they manage to win a seat(s), but it makes their position very clear and I, for one, support it.
Recently, there has been a lot of discussion around various coalitions that may form a Government after October 14th, and we want to be clear about our position in that respect.The Opportunities Party is a progressive, independent party focused on working collaboratively across Parliament, not just with one side.
Our focus is on providing every Kiwi the opportunity for a good life - ensuring we invest in our future - not pandering to the politics of left or right.
We will sit on the cross benches in Parliament, and support progressive policies that take New Zealand forward, and vote against policy that doesn’t.
After the election should our support be required to provide a stable Government coalition, we will enter into appropriate agreements to deliver that. Regardless of this, we would maintain our independence in legislative matters.
A vote for The Opportunities Party means our values will always be represented in any decision making.
lol what a whole lot of waffle there. Are you aware that investing in the future is like every goal for every political party in NZ? This kind of talk reminds me of the NZ Democracy party that basically says the same thing, but offers no substance, no plan, no action, or any ideas how this can be accomplished.
For eg. when Jacinda Ardern brought in the 1st year uni tuition would be free (as a method to address tuition costs in NZ ; making it affordable), the advisors said that it would be more beneficial to have it done at the last year of uni as it creates the incentive for those to push harder and finish their qualification. They wanted the election bribe instead by keeping it free for 1st year. How is this a plan? Go over in Canada and there you can truly see a proper plan in addressing tuition costs through their RESP scheme. Upon birth of the child, both parents (or anyone) can contribute funds in the RESP (and the gov't does some matching contributions too) which go invested in the stock market. Over the course of 18 years the funds get compounded TAX FREE, the dividends too are TAX FREE. By the time the child reaches university age, the portfolio would have grown in excess to pay for the tuition and cost of going to uni. That my friends is a PLAN of investing in the future. Not a stupid bribe by saying we'll pay the 1st year Uni free or we will give you $5,000 if you do some social pandering that ticks the box for eligibility.
Our focus is on providing every Kiwi the opportunity for a good life - ensuring we invest in our future - not pandering to the politics of left or right.
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So you just instantly believe that? Your gullibility is off the charts. You're not even responding to a policy, just a piece of marketing hyperbole.
I can bang something like that out. Will you vote for FLOP (Future Learning Optimism Party)?
Our vision for Aotearoa New Zealand is of the most caring nation possible, a country where we all feel connected to each other and where everyone feels valued and respected. Aotearoa New Zealand must be a place where everbody can reach their fullest potential, with a fair tax system and fair access to a warm dry house. FLOP have the future focussed policies to turn our vision into the reality that each of us deserves.
You know what? There are scroll bars on your computer screen. If you don't like something you see here, just scroll on by buddy. You guys are major hypocrites. You expect those of us you refer to as "lefties" to respect you and your political views, yet you don't afford us the same respect. I don't expect you to vote for TOP. I am simply sharing information for anyone who may be interested. Given that this is a TOP thread, if you are not interested in the party, and you can't be respectful of those who are, just piss off. There are plenty of "right wing" threads for you to post in. Just stop hijacking every damned thread.
Oh, and btw Logenf***fingers - I didn't highlight that paragraph. It was highlighted in the original. Which you should have known given it was quoted material.
Oh, and btw Logenf***fingers - I didn't highlight that paragraph. It was highlighted in the original. Which you should have known given it was quoted material.
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Yeah, no worries. TOP would have high-lighted that as a particularly juicy bit of bait. "Hey Raf, we reeled in another one!"
Yes I do believe it as their policies reflect that.
A party that is fairly centrist that actually wants to do something about climate change and care for the environment.
The new health of fresh water report just released is unsurprisingly a shocker. Clean / Green yeah right!
Two of our biggest industries amoung others are at risk by not taking environmental responsibility. Dairy & Tourism.
Environmental responsibility is not an issue of the left, it will secure the viability of these two signficant industries & export earners as well as give Kiwis their rivers & lakes back for their own enjoyment.
Dismayingly Climate Change & Care for the Environment have been heavily politicized when a responsible bi-partisan approach is desperately needed.
We can't avoid the fact agriculture contributes around 50% of our emissions & yet National are doing so much damage with slogans like 'Labour & the Greens are the enemy of farmers' & 'Labour hates farmers' when
1) we can't keep kicking the can down the road with these critical emissions targets in 2030 & 2050 coming up,
& 2) unlike other industries, agriculture has been excluded, given concessions to allow time for adjustment which although difficult just have to be made.
Why?
Well apart from the obvious benefits, briefly - if we don't reach our Emissions Targets, its going to cost the govt, us taxpayers a cost estimated at between $3.3 Billion to $23.7 Billion in penalties & it could go higher!
Whereas if we do, revenue from the ETS could provide between $2.4 Billion to $6.2 Billion to the NZ economy.
In the words of Cockney actor Michael Caine, it seems - " and not a lot of people know that".
Here's a BERL summary well worth a quick read, explaining the issues and how Emissions will cost us and not just at the petrol pump.
https://berl.co.nz/economic-insights...new-zealanders
Not quite sure, what you mean with this comment?
Peter Thiel is clearly "right-wing" - or do you see him as a Leftie?
Peter Thiel was as well one of Trumps henchmen, and while the courts established by now better than at that stage that Trump is a crook - it was at that stage clearly visible for anybody with even a miniscule amount of judgement. Peter Thiel still supported him at that stage big way - so, he clearly behaves (or at least behaved at the time of receiving NZ citizenship) like a scumbag.
Thats what I said - a right-wing scum bag. Nothing more, nothing less. What's wrong about this?
What exactly would this say about me, other than that I seem to be better in processing for everybody obvious facts than you seem to be?
And yes, while the discussion about Peter Thiel is not directly relevant to TOP, it was just an example for the immigration policies of your beloved right wing parties.
Personally I do prefer NZ to allow the immigration of decent, hard working and contributing people with the skills we need, as per the TOP proposal. If they include in this climate refugees, what harm does this do?
I don't like NZ to sell NZ Citicenships to scumbags, as per Nationals govenment policy.
I think this is relevant - people really should think about whether they want to support a National government without a moral compass - and neither ACT nor NZF (cough ....) would be able to provide that latter bit.
‘We’ must do something when we contribute a infinitesimal 0.17% of global emissions, while China is approving new coal power projects at the equivalent of two plants every week? Turn it up. China approved 106 new coal fired power plants in 2022, the situation there is out of control.
What we need is for our farmers to get true credit for the amount of carbon capture they are doing, including via their pasture & in the actual products themselves - which are largely exported offshore.
The Green lobby on New Zealand is made up of vile and hypocritical anti-farming activists who constantly attack a vital New Zealand industry while saying nothing about the absolute tragedy unfolding in China. The NZ public are consequently in the dark about this important issue.
This is the Left for you, they hate certain groups for political reasons and need to see them destroyed to advance the aims of ‘democratic socialism’.
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https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...e-goals-carbon
China continues coal spree despite climate goals
World’s biggest carbon emitter approving equivalent of two new coal plants a week, analysis shows
Helen Davidson
Tue 29 Aug 2023 11.04 BST
‘China is approving new coal power projects at the equivalent of two plants every week, a rate energy watchdogs say is unsustainable if the country hopes to achieve its energy targets.
The government has pledged to peak emissions by 2030 and reach net zero by 2060, and in 2021 the president, Xi Jinping, promised to stop building coal powered plants abroad.
But after regional power crunches in 2022, China started a domestic spree of approving new projects and restarting suspended ones. In 2022 the government approved a record-breaking 106 gigawatts (GW) of new coal-fired power capacity. One gigawatt is the equivalent of a large coal power plant.
This run of approvals is continuing, potentially on track to break last year’s record, according to analysis by the Global Energy Monitor (GEM) and the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air, published on Tuesday.
It said in the first half of 2023, authorities granted approvals for 52GW of new coal power, began construction on 37GW of new coal power, announced 41GW-worth of new projects, and revived 8GW of previously shelved projects. It said about half of the plants permitted in 2022 had started construction by summer.
The analysts said: “Unless permitting is stopped immediately, China won’t be able to reduce coal-fired power capacity during the 15th five-year plan (2026–30) without subsequent cancellations of already permitted projects or massive early retirement of existing plants.”’
This is all part of your ongoing arrogance and superiority complex. You determine who is a ‘scumbag’ and who has a ‘moral compass’ and act astonished and indignant if anyone has the temerity to question you.
IMO, Hipkins and Robertson are a couple of scumbags who are looking to overburden New Zealand with debt as part of their drive to advance the aims of ‘democratic socialism’. To the Left, the ends justify the means, hence they have readily abandoned their moral compass and given themselves over to the telling of lies and the playing of dirty tricks. Labour are truly wallowing in the gutter in this campaign, it has been pitiful to behold.
Well, it appears that you have a very limited capability to comprehend the complexity of the real world :p ; Things are not just "left" or "right", there is as well a centre, there are many shades in between - and there are as well plenty of other dimensions (like e.g. honest - corrupt or like caring for the environment or destroying it or like behaving human or behaving like raging animals). Nothing of that is correlated to political right or left.
I never condoned Hipkins and Robertson wasting our tax dollars (and yes, they did). Its probably debatable, whether they did that by purpose (in this case your characterization would be correct), or whether they did that by lack of competence. I think it might be more the latter.
Having said that - there are light years between some politicians who increased our public debt for ideological reasons (and lets face it, NZ's debt is still very low in international comparison) - and one Superrich puppetmaster supporting a candidate and later president who not just bragged about being a sexual predator, but who was as well constantly trying to destroy the democratic and legal framework of the country he promises(d) to protect.
I think you need to learn at some stage that there is a wide and complex world outside of your political rabbit hole. Calling everybody not agreeing with your limited view of the world either "Left-wing" or "socialist" is wrong and sounds plain stupid.
These aggressive negative Reputation comments NEED TO STOP.
Just had a look at the latest poll summary in business desk (probably paywalled):
https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/p...-but-act-slips
I note that TOP's rating is rising (up to 2% now) while ACT keeps declining.
Clearly - the raging hard right trolls (probably not just on this thread) do make their dent. Not many want to vote for a party supported by (and probably dependent on) such creatures.
Keep continuing your good work and show your real face ... it is appreciated ;) ;
Given that voting has now been underway for 4 days and TOP are on 2%, BP has 2 hopes for his beloved motley crew of chancers and grifters reaching Parliament….slim and none.
Meanwhile, decent centre-right folk are being stripped of their humanity and described as ‘creatures’, a new low for this thread.
These aggressive negative Reputation comments NEED TO STOP.
They are attempts to try and intimidate someone by sending them individual attack messages straight into their inbox.
The ability to place negative Reputation needs to be turned off for everyone. It is a being used as a system of harassment.
Absolutely - there is decent folks (and yes, some are centre right). Nothing wrong with that. I consider myself to be centre-right as well :) ;
There are as well trolls. Some of these creatures are hard-right. So, yes - they might share some political views with other decent people, but this does not make them decent.
You need to learn to properly read before you attack other posters about things only in your imagination rather than about things other people have said.
Bad habit.
I think you will find that others have given you negative rep from time to time, including me. I have also been on the receiving end of negative rep at times, but I don't take it to heart. Sometimes it is a good reminder to think before I speak, or to double check the tone of my posts. I have looked at Black Peter's rep to you - I wouldn't call it intimidating. I wouldn't even call it an "attack." You should see some of mine ;)
... deleted .... looks like Youtube playing up on me :)
You do nothing but attack posters. You are the worst attack poster there is. You call anyone who disagrees with you a "troll". You go off on people nearly every post.
And that isn't enough for you - you place multiple attack comments into individual inboxes via negative Reputation.
You are harassing and attacking and quite frankly destroying this place.
Recent content from BlackPeter:
"the raging hard right trolls"
"Not many want to vote for a party supported by (and probably dependent on) such creatures."
"You are parroting misinformation and you repeated several times already debunked statements. That's what trolls are doing."
"research before you parrot the misinformation some right wing trolls"
"You are basically a caricature of Donald Trump."
"This is unproductive, it is trolling"
"I guess he is doing what every troll does"
"or do you just talk about the chatter you hear in your right wing rabbit hole?"
"you are trolling."
"You are spreading misleading information."
"I thought you might be better than a troll."
"great to see the extreme right wing trolls so active"
Azz, do you have a mirror at home? Take a look.
You are constantly either on the attack of the defense.
Its very childish behaviour.
JustaKiwi gave you some good advice.
You need to chill out man as its doing you nor the quality of these threads any favours.
It can't be everybody else that's wrong...
"Everybody?" BackPeter is the one placing the negative Reputation. And you cowardly placed the first one today. Is that what you want? A negative Reputation war? Where scum attack people into their inboxes, and in retaliation those people being harassed start placing their own negative Reputation?
Well done BlackPeter nailed it.
Anyway, I think it was BaaBaa that asked to stay on point on these threads otherwise Faar% Cough.
You are splashing this self-indulgent crap over all the threads, very irrational & paranoid behaviour.
Please speak to someone and get help.
Why don’t you steer the thread onto the right course by making some cogent points, rather than tearing into Azz? I’ve tried to discuss the TOP policies and been attacked relentlessly for it.
For the record, the latest poll this week looks like being the final nail in coffin for TOP’s chance at this election.
Actually, you haven't in a lot of instances, and you are hardly the person to lecture anyone on attacking the poster.
As for Azz, if he stops trolling me and acting like a petulant child, I will stop sending him to the naughty chair.
It makes me laugh that you defend him. Very flawed judgement.
I'm not worked up at all, well as much as a mosquito buzzing in my ear works me up.
‘What TOP proposes
We have a vision for a world-class Christchurch and Raf Manji wants to help deliver it.
Our investment proposals include:
A new South Island Cancer Center and Laboratory ($580m)
A new Mental Health and Trauma Center ($20m)
Shift to a Zero Emission Urban Bus Fleet by 2030 ($130m)
Roading and Footpath Repair Fund ($70m)
Hospital Car Parking ($30m)
150 new Community Constables ($45m)
10 new Police Kiosks ($5m)
A new South Island Police Training College ($40m)
Christchurch Cathedral and Arts Centre Repair Fund ($40m)
A new Primary/Secondary School ($40m)
The Christchurch Pitch is all about making sure our city gets the attention - and investment - it needs and deserves.‘
And if you lived in Invercargill and he proposed showering $1 Billion on Invercargill you’d be tripping over yourself to give to ticks to TOP there as well. ‘Excellent’ = ‘a massive spend-up’ in daytr’s world. Fiscal prudence be damned, just stick it on the big credit card for the next generation to deal with.
I don't do reputations either positive or negative, and I don't are too much about the ones I get.
But if I did give them out, you would get plenty of negative ones. Your posta consistently attack other posters and/or whine and complain about the way other people react to your nonsense. These threads would be a more pleasant and informative ploace if you would think a bit more deeply and take a number of deep breaths before you post.
You are missing proportionality.
CHC is NZs second largest city, Invercargill, is well Invercargill and yes a proportional spend might be appropriate, although CHC is a major not only regional center but South Island one so more would be spent there.
NZF allocated $400M on Northland alone under the PGF. Not all of it went ahead & not all of it wisely I might add, but there has been a huge amount of benefit come from the projects and still is.
We've been hammered with the narrative the NZ economy is stuffed & we have this massive debt for future generations to pay off.
But how true is this?
Im not so interested in what the debt figure alone is, but what the debt to GDP ratio is, because smaller economies should carry smaller debt while larger economies, can carry larger debt.
No one compares different countries debt figure alone, they compare the Ratio taking into account different size economies.
It's the job of govt's to use surpluses & deficits to smooth out shocks to the economy, e.g. the GFC, Christchurch earthquake, Global Pandemic, & 2 devastating Cyclones.
National ran a deficit for 6 years, 2009 - 2014, took them 6 years to just scrape into a surplus after the GFC & at the highest point, National's Debt to GDP ratio was about the same as we have now.
Ask yourself if the economy is as bad as National paint it, why is their recipe for fixing it so mild, & un-ambitious (all just about further increasing the cost cutting already underway) & why are they only projecting a return to surplus in the same year as Labour, just 4 years from now 2027.
No one would describe 4 years time as "the next generation"
And why - when NZ's Debt to GDP ratio is low compared to most OECD countries.
I think you will find it's National’s figures that don't add up. I am yet to find anyone qualified outside the National Party that agrees on their foreign buyer figures.
TOP want to overhaul the tax system to make it fairer. Get rid of their land tax & replace it with a CGT then we are all good. I'll get a letter off to Raf.
I’m a big fan of reducing out-of-control spending, Labour has increased government spending by 80% since taking office & has failed to deliver better outcomes. You want to rake in more tax, and under it Labour it will just be money down the drain & the rampant borrowing will continue. A lot of the money has been blown on management fat cats in the public service. Time to get the razor out and start cutting, cutting, cutting. We need doctors & nurses, not bureaucrats at Te Whata Ora who are on obscene salaries of anywhere between $450,000 and $750,000. The Maori Health Authority is goneburgers, a duplication of the health bureaucracy that hasn’t delivered 1 additional doctor or nurse. There is waste everywhere you look, the razors must come out. The Left are driven by envy to pursue a remorseless drive for more tax, tax, tax. It’s time to make a stand and stop the socialists here and now, this lunacy must cease!
Simply keeping taxes as they are will be an improvement over National's plan.
He isn't saying he is not voting for TOP because he doesn't live in Canterbury. He is saying - if he were one of the people who do live in Ilam, he would give TOP both votes. If he was one of the people living in the rest of ChCh/Canterbury, he would give them his party vote. He is looking at it from the perspective of other voters, not himself.
If I lived in Ilam that is exactly what I would do. But as someone who lives in Canterbury, I will give them my party vote - there is no TOP candidate in my electorate unfortunately.
Is TOP only for people in Canterbury? This is big news.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows...hurch.amp.html
‘Christchurch's Ilam electorate was a safe National seat until three years ago when Sarah Pallett flipped it for Labour during the red wave.
According to Pallett, if National wins Ilam, it won't be because of Campbell.
"I think it's going to be a matter of splitting votes to be honest," she said.
"We've got a lot of competition on the left-hand side of the vote."
This competition is from leader of The Opportunities Party (TOP), Raf Manji, a former Christchurch Councillor.’
Ahhh you finally got it... after rant after rant.
If you had actually read what I was responding to I.e comments from Logen Ninefingers about the $1Bln for CHC in TOP's policy then you would have got the context.
Mind you Logen Ninefingers didn't get it either and it was in response to his own post.
Jeepers you ACT voters aren't the sharpest pencil in the box are ya!
And you try and take credit for something where there is no credit to be taken... What you wrote is there in black and white: people utilizing their party vote according to where they live; and either these people are very dim, and/or this TOP party is a regional party only.
A post in jest & it's not even directed at you, but you feel obligated to respond.
And yet you think I have tickets on myself.
I'm not the one here thinking I have the answer to everyone's posts even when not directed to you!
Oh the irony!
I've had enough sport for now & food gets cold if you play with it for too long...
Wrong thread to express your dismay about Labour, but to bring it back on subject:
If National would have any brains they would work with TOP instead of approving the conspiracy theorist Winston Peters and his bunch of populists living in La la land!
Not good for NZ's future, and not good for ACT either I am afraid. Remember - no coalition with Winston survived so far more than one term. Where is ACT going after the catastrophy of ACT, NZF and National tryiung to form a government? How is an auterity party like ACT fuding Winstons slash and bribe regional fund? Where do we have this money in the budget? Not important? Ah, right - if National, ACT and NZF burn money, than it doesn't matter, does it? However - a sensible investment in the future instead would be a problem?
Lets better hope National still grows some brains (here is hoping).
Two more negative reputation attacks from vile troll BlackPeter, he is clearly someoe who uses this system as a way of targeting others he wishes to silence.
Nobody else behaves the way this person does, it seems nothing is beneath him.
I think it was Baa_Baa who mentioned it (apologies if it wasn't) but negative Reputation seems to be unlimited whereas positive Reputation has some form of limit when trying to give to the same user too quickly or however it works. I've never given negative Reputation to anyone and I never will; it needs to be removed from the site, it's only being used to attack people.
"look, I suggest you whine about your personal problems in a relevant thread. And hey- negative reputation has a poiint ... its to keep the trolls somewhat under control." -- More disgusting negative Reputation into my inbox from the psycho BlackPeter
Interesting that you call Logan Ninefingers an extremist, but on reflection I agree. He does not use negative rep to mark deviations from the forum standards (as I tend to do), but he uses it only as a weapon of retribution and to deflect from his inappropriate behaviour.
Interesting as well that you are quite happy with Azz and Logan's name calling competition of other posters ... and you are even calling the others extremists.
On the other hand - good to see you guys exposing yourself prior to the elections, this way everybody can see which people will be empowered with a vote for ACT. Better play safe ...
Another negative reputation attack from BlackPeter, this time seemingly because someone else called me a 'dickhead'. BlackPeter is skulking out there somewhere, nursing its twisted hate and reading everyones posts like a demented HAL-9000 computer, as seen in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
It's going to be very, very enjoyable watching grifter Manji and his manufactured 'TOP' outfit of dope smokers and policy egg-heads flop on election night.
Manji's slogan should be 'In it for ME'.
OK - Logan the Ninefingers gave me just a negative rep for this post. He said:
"Calling people 'scumbags' because of their political views is disgraceful, you should be well and truly ashamed of yourself."
Dear Logan, I would really aprreciate if you would first try to comprehend other peoples posts before you go on your rampage. Feels like you are an angry man - and your reptile brain is now in control, is it?
I called Peter Thiel a scumbag for supporting a crook, not for his political views - and this is clearly visible in the post above.
Logan, as so often you are wrong and you have proven yourself as a hypocrite (when you gave Azz positive rep for calling me a psychopath". You are an embarrassment for any decent conservative person.
Egg all over your face ...