You'd have to know where to DIG. I don't think NTL does - they have holes all over the place and still they can't get the stuff out. If you're a gold mining company and rate yourself as a wannabee producer, and the price of gold goes up 50% and your share price goes down 33%, and you still can't make any money while the going is good, then what are you actually ? Just a bunch of Charbel-tains - not looking into holes, but staring into the abyss.