The doomsayers were right! Ardern has resigned! No news on UN appointment so far.
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The doomsayers were right! Ardern has resigned! No news on UN appointment so far.
Good riddance to garbage.
Great news...
Although,
I'm afraid nothing will change ... national or labour it's the same outcome ... same climate change, same covid response, same lockdowns, same vaccines... same level of destruction... nothing ever changes we just go back and forward between the two parties...
So in December, that woman proudly states when asked by media, I have no intention of resigning, I want to fight and win the election.... hang on, another of her lies!
She can't help herself.
Sunk the country with excessive lockdowns, now bailing out of her own mess, leaving us to pay the cost.
A great way to start the year.
She made her millions ...knows her time is done ...one of the most hated PMs in NZs history never was going be elected again .
FUTURE. she did visit 'Blackrock" last year .....Klaus Schwab says the world will no longer be run by superpowers like America… it will be run by the World Economic Forum stakeholders, such as Blackrock ....I'd say WEF or UN , WHO will take Jacinda
https://twitter.com/Resist_05/status...PWt0AP0kgCfJjQ
Blackrock>>
https://twitter.com/Bigbird32392741/...PWt0AP0kgCfJjQ
Jbmurc
These days you don't have to win elections to win elections
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Yes I do know people who like her leadership and yes I do know people who would vote for her again. That being said while I think she has been an exceptional leader during some exceptionally challenging times I would not have voted for her again. I believe, as I think many others do as well, its time for a change. That does not mean people hate her although I accept some people do
Hate?
I would use the words ‘anger’ and ‘disgust’.
And rightly so - given how much BS snd spin which came out of her mouth over 5 years.
Be kind.
Most transparent government ever.
100,000 Kiwibuild homes.
One source of truth.
Bad enough she is useless and clueless - unforgivable she lied and lied.
Yes I agree some people are angry with her leadership but rightly or wrongly I believe a lot of people are grateful for how she has handled some very challenging situations.
I dont for a minute think she is useless and clueless but not surprised you think that.
I think she is extremely clever and has exceptional communication skills. She is very much respected around the world and will do well in whatever she chooses to do. Good luck to her.
Agree with you 100% she is extremely clever with using her exceptional communication skill to BS NZers into believing she was going to deliver on the huge promises she made to get elected.
So where is her communication skills in the last 2 years after the 2020 election? Takes a special kind of clueless to lose all that popularity in 2 years.
She leaves behind a socially & racially divided NZ poorer and struggling after her 'leadership'.
Good riddance to her and whoever/whichever is dumb enough to employ her next better pray they do not reap the bad karma she brings with her lies and spin.
She knows she is going to get turfed out comes Oct 2023 so she jumped.
AS one commentator noted - Ardern is like the Captain of the Titanic who decided to jump ship with the only lifeboat available after she disastrously destroyed all the other lifeboats along with the Titanic.
And you think it is good taste for Ardern to lie and spin as she did in the last 5 years to NZers?
She is all set for her plum posting with the UN or some. Other cushy number before she gets turfed out & lose her credibility.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...d-the-election
Watch the rats deserting the sinking ship in the next 9 months before they become dog tucker.
So very very very satisfying.
Well the Labour Govt Blew $72,000,000,000 on COVID mostly lining the pockets of Phama giants and very wealthy NZ Businesses (which we still have no knowledge of the contracts signed up for) ... Didn't deliver on any of the election promises of both elections ... and now well before end of term is doing the runner after making her profile and Millions of kickbacks...
IMHO it like she knows her govt have made a right mess off it and its only going get worse going into Winter23 and they will get hammered at the election ...she doesn't want to tarnish her global image anymore than necessary Kiwis be damned ... her Party certainly was shocked she dropped them today
On 31 October 2022 Jacinda told Melissa Chan-Green on the AM Show that she has no plans to step down, saying - "I've heard this. This rumour has floated around my entire time five years in Government. I have no plans to change my role as leader, I am not going anywhere. I've said this on the show a number of times."
Today's announcement also reminds me of Jacinda's memorable words from 19 March 2020 when she said re Covid - "We will continue to be your single source of truth and we will provide information frequently. We will share everything we can. Everything else you see [take with] a grain of salt."
Hope the Paycheck from the new outfit is commensurate to said abilities or lack thereof ;)
A large price might be extracted for familiar ring tones of everything full steam ahead
while in reality things are sailing backwards by at least the same velocity :)
What a load of bollocks. When was the last preferred Prime Minister poll done? The last one I recall was in December 2022 where Chris Luxon closed the gap With Jacinda Ardern. Admittedly he is not yet prime minister so I guess you could argue currently Jacinda is the currently the most hated PM in NZ, but also the most admired and respected. The polls would say more people admire and respect her than any other contenders, although being the incumbent must help. What basis for the "in NZs history" claim do you have or is it just part of the pile on of bull**** being produced on these threads.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politi...DKAWECMCZPNCQ/
Jacinda Ardern’s preferred prime minister ranking is on 29 per cent, with Christopher Luxon on 23, closing the gap with Ardern.
You should get off the internet and out more a lot of hate for Jacinda on this site but I was hearing that nasty bilious crap was generated by only a small minority online but amplified by social media.
Stop sounding like an incel.
Save the embellishments for ramping stocks.
Yes because of people like David Anthony Ruck.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...against-ardern
If that is the crowd you like to align with and the views you support, good on you.
At least Balance has a party to vote for now.
It is sad because I suspect not everyone is like David Anthony Ruck but from the hate and crap on these political threads a lot of people on here start to sound like him.
Obviously did not read the latest poll which has more NZers against the Clueless one than view her favourably for the first time.
As she sowed, she reaped.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...tive-territory
Karma is a bitch.
Tells more about you than about me.
Very very very satisfying to out poseurs like you & of course, Ardern.
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...pg?format=500w
Cindy's acolytes are hurting Balance. Be kind.
Something Sean Plunkett picked up on....Ardern had no business setting the election date before she walked out the door. What the hell was that about?
Plunkett and some Oz commentators I have noted, have rightly pointed out that Ardern has been extremely selfish in her departure. She leaves no succession plan and a Party screwed over by her own internal disciplinary and policy failures, particularly with regard to the Maoris caucus. Why do they even have a Maori caucus?
By 1% point you drongo - hardly overwhelming
I think this is a very dangerous post and that you should remove it.
Whether what you say is true is a side issue, and I hope you are wrong, but the important issue for me is the effect of your post.
Whether you intended it that way or not, the post normalises the idea that politicians are targets. Even if we haven't yet succumbed to the madness we see oveseas, I think speculating publically that a politician is so hated that it is likely someone will try to harm her just makes it more likely.
I concur - see my comment re another objectionable Thread - it’s deplorable.
Nah - we need to stop this . This sort of posting is actually dangerous.
Please join me in stating clearly and unequivocally that violence and threats of violence are not OK and that however strongly anyone feels about a politician, raising the temperature by talking about violence as "reaping what is sown" is a mistake.
I should have qualified my post. I was just stating a fact, rather than encouraging anything. In fact reading my post I do not state that polititians should be targets. That is waht you have done. That said, I thought about it after I posted it and should have used different wording because hated is not correct. Polarising is probably the better word. She is hated but also loved by many. Probably more to the extremes any politician in NZ has ever been. Key was polarising and certainly hated and there were songs calling for the rape of his daughter etc. But he was also loved.
Jacinda too is even more extreme in the emotion that runs deep both ways. I wish no harm on her whatsoever and would never do anything at all to harm her. I was just stating a fact and we all know it, there are people out there that do wish her harm and that will make her life difficult in NZ. Heck it was already difficult with her protection detail. Going to be nigh on impossible post that.
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Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said, "We will continue to be your single source of truth, unless you hear it from us, it is not the truth."
Did Benito Mussolini who said, "Everything in the State, Nothing outside the State, Nothing against the State." also try his best?
JACINDA did here job interview several months ago with "Blackrock" ...the company that has the largest holdings in Media / Phama / military in the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOlx83zqhG0
I get it but I re- read Blackcaps so called apology - it’s hollow and insincere for me and it’s I’m sorry but…one swallow doesn’t make a summer for me.
Well yes hated. But also loved. So she was polarising. Thats it really. What have I to be quilty about? I just stated what I thought how she was viewed by others. I am not particularly fond of her myself as she has been a bare faced liar and deceiver. Duplicitous in nature and damaging for NZ. No I do not particularly like her. But I acknowledge there are plenty of people that like her and love her. Thats fine. We live in an open society where differing opinions are permissible. And that is great. Diversity of though is a good thing.
I was not actually apologising to davflaws, more clarifying that my post was intended as a statement of fact, not intending anyone to do anything. Violence is not the answer.
I can say what I like, and hold any opinion that I like. That is the privilidge of living in a free country. The media is constantly speaking about what others may think. There is nothing incorrect in my post and it certainly is not mysoginistic as you like to state on another thread.
Piggy Muldoon was also polarising. He even came to blows with opponents. He was also loved by a certain segment of the population. But yeah he was constantly threatened as was John Key's family. Politics is a dirty game.
Jacinda is no different, just more polarising for whatever reason. Probably because society, due to social media and other influences, is becoming more polarising and that is not a good thing. We need to hold onto shared experiences and shared interests and not let the differences divide us.
It's an interesting observation I have with others, that my 2 best friends are rabid lefties (one a green voter the other a labour acolyte) but due to shared experiences and interests (outside of politics) we can get on very well. If I had met them in a forum we would probably be at each other hammer and tongs.
Anyway lets all celebrate that Jacinda is gone and all hail Nanaiah Mahuta as the new New Zealand PM!
Jacinda Ardern, as captain of the Titanic after it has hit the ice, has said she does not have it in her to try and save the passengers, crew or ship and has taken the first lifeboat.
What a great leader she proved to be - NOT.
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Precisely - which is why Useless Ardern decided to abandon ship before she gets guillotined at the polls come October 2023.
You know of course that Ardern never met a single voter (outside of the TV staged events) in the Hamilton by election and even worse, did not bother to turn up at all in the Tauranga by-election? That's how scared she was to be associated with losing.
She does not fool those of us who judge a leader by their DEEDS, not words. Words are cheap.
"It is not just her caucus Jacinda has abandoned. She has abandoned Labour’s activists, donors and voters - the supporters who had the right to expect her to at least fight for what she believes.
Then there are the voters of Mt Albert. The PM is cynically leaving them without an elected representative for six months."
Here's a prime example of the mess left behind for NZers as she abandons ship after championing co-governance :
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...pg?format=500w
You do realise that NZ does not have a presidential election? We vote for MPs and in a general election our preferred Party. The Previous PM, who had been the Party leader at the previous general election time, John Key, also resigned while in office. English never was leader of a winning Party.
That’s the NZ system for you.
So more popular Key - in your words - didn’t abandon Party activists, donors and voters - by leaving them with A less popular leader? Who knows but Ardern’s replacement may improve Labour’s chances of getting a bigger vote.
With Ardern gone, it leaves open the possibility of Peters supporting Labour again, should he ever be in that position:ohmy:
Key left National when the party was in good shape and the proof is the 44% vote it polled in 2017.
Possibility indeed that Hipkins may improve Labour’s chances for as we know, many NZers are as gullible as they come - preferring words over deeds.
I say - bring on the election and let Labour stand on its record and agenda of the Maorification of NZ.
None of the ‘most transparent government ever’ while implementing hidden agendas.
Key left a succession plan in place. I think NZ missed an opportunity with Bill English, but sadly a combination of Winnie's feud and a form of rot that had set in the wider Nats Party put paid to that, and left us with an ineffectual opposition for 4 years.
As the dust settles many of Ardern's gushing supportive commentators in media and politics will look forever foolish as the huge mess she leaves behind becomes more evident.
What Ardern has done is abandon ship and left the Labour party in a position where it will likely implode due to the free reign she gave the Maori caucus. She also hamstrung her successor by announcing the election date before walking out the door. She has left a bunch of broken policies half done that have sunk her party even if they abandon those policies.
History will show her to be an example of leadership failure in most respects, and also highlight the danger of vacuous charisma politics.
Their Treaty policies in preference to some more basic traditional Labour policies may well be their undoing IMO.
Ardern allowed herself to be beholden to the Maori cabal. She wanted power and wanted to stay in power so she needed to appease them for their support.
Basically, she ran out of spin and BS to cover and hide the hidden Maorification agenda - hence, ‘the tank is empty’ comment from the useless spin mistress.
Never thought she would run out of spin and BS but she thought she did!
I feel sorry for davflaws - who our friend keeps on quoting in subsequent replies :)
What am I wrong about? Did Ardern leave a succession plan? Did she leave her party in a better place than the last election? Did she leave it with a suite of policies that will win them the next election? Did she hamstring her successor by naming the election date on her way out the door? (arrogance personified right there)
If her leaving is a nett positive in your view, you must have acknowledged that something is rotten in the State of Denmark and that Ardern was political poison, an albatross around the neck of Labour's hopes of winning the next election.
Churchill was UK PM during WW2 during which he kept morale up and helped forestall an invasion. Yet he was a liability for the British Conservative Party in the first election after the War had ended. So in similar vein, the right PM for a pandemic, may no longer be the right person for the job in the aftermath.
A motormouth would suggest I've said nothing of substance. There would be plenty to rebutt in my post if I wasn't stating facts, but clearly you can't respond with a substantive answer because what I have said is true.
Ardern had her strengths. I've said it before, she was the world's best press secretary. She had no idea when it came to formulating and implementing policy. She also let Mahuta run roughshod all over her. Mahuta is a playground bully with less clue than Ardern, but that's where she has left the Labour party. The Maori caucus in charge and a rout on the electoral horizon.
I have now thanks for that. I would still question "the most hated PM in NZ" claim by JBmurc.
The article does not seem to support the claim.
Opposition leader Christopher Luxon was also on -1%, while ACT leader David Seymour was on -4%.
I applaud the Taxpayers Union for providing a bit of Balance in the article.
Also I apologies for suggesting you would vote for the Pakeha Party. Immediately after posting I realised you would never vote for a party with "Pakeha" in the name.
Jacinda Ardern will need 'more ongoing protection than any PM in NZ's history' - expert
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...Pos=2#cxrecs_s
Only because of a small number of extreme d*ckheads (maybe a couple on this site). Not because the general population hate her anymore than any other PM.
Unfortunately the internet means we get to hear about them, when once we would not have known they even exist. Don't forget the crazy anti-vaxxers who come across as very extreme.
I just thought "the mosted hated PM ever" claim seemed extreme. Still have not seen a compelling argument to support this statement.
Probably better to look to the future as Chris Hipkins recommends. Jacinda will not be around to enrage us anymore.
I respectfully disagree Aaron. I have never seen a PM more loathed and disrespected (sadly) than Jacinda. She has run a very divisive Government in turbulent times when inclusiveness was needed. She is reaping as she has sowed and it is not at all due to a "small number of dickheads" . Her and her Government assumed that last year and have finally realised the dissatisfaction and frustration with her is a lot broader than that. I'm surprised you haven't seen it !
We know there is a section of the population who despise Jacinda Adern & understand this is how you see things, but that's the same for just about every incumbent political leader around the world right now.
However, Adern is also the most widely admired politician on the planet right now. (that's not just opinion, its fact). No one else comes close.
That's good for her, assuming she can and will leverage her admiration, but it hasn't helped New Zealand unfortunately. If the planet looked into what and how New Zealanders felt about their current situation under this Labour government, they might reconsider.
I have no particular beef with Adern per se, she didn't screw this country up all by herself, people attribute too much responsibility on the leader of the party. So many things are just not right anymore, it takes a concerted blindness to reality, to get to where we are now.
LOL!
BTW. Come on BS....Surely the avid devotees like you would at least spell her surname correctly?
Perhaps the admiration is nowhere as wide as you claim. Instead being highly concentrated amongst the vocal left-leaning media org's, WEF cohort and Chardonnay/Champagne drinking Wokesters. Even if your claim was a 'fact'. So what?
Regardless, one doesn't need to wear glasses to clearly see that there are also plenty of folk in NZ (and that ultimately counts more for our country) who don't admire Ms Ardern, and more importantly don't admire what she 'supposedly' stands for.
At best, one could claim that admiration of her is VERY polarised.
Sorry, not buying what you are selling BS.;)
Certainly my UK contacts have put her on a pedestal. However they know zilch about what she has done other than the initial Covid response and the Christchurch hugs. They also talk of her as if she were an antidote to the shocking leaders they have had - Johnson & Truss.
You might at least spell her name correctly while you're at it - BS ;)
I'm not selling anything, obviously some don't want to hear it but just stating an interesting fact.
And since she has resigned, there's no hidden agenda, it just is what it is.
Of course she is polarising & of course there's sectors of the population here that don't like her & overseas as well.
But do you think President Biden, Emmanuel Macron, Rishi Sunak, Barack Obama, Pierre Trudeau, Olaf Scholz, Vladimir Putin, etc aren't polarising ?
Around half or more in every country surveyed, say Social Media has made us more divided in our political opinions than ever.
We're not unique.
But Ardern (sorry about the spelling earlier) is a global icon & an inspiration for millions of young women. She is admired by millions around the world.
More than any other NZ politician she has put NZ on the global map.
She opened doors overseas for NZ business like no other leader before.
You know she got us 5 FTA's (Free Trade Agreements) in 2 years, when National only managed 2 in 9 years.
At a recent promotion in New York to attract wealthy investors to NZ, all the foreign media & reporters who were coming didn't bother to turn up when they found out she wasn't coming.
And just look at the tributes to her which have poured in from leaders both political & in other fields from around the world.
And she was still the most preferred PM in this country by quite a wide margin, well ahead of Luxon.
Foreign investors all but dried up - BS .. a sum total of just 2 in last report I was reading :)
What happened ? - did the rest all see writing on the wall ? ;)
The same social media Labour was so scared of that they tried desperately to muzzle it some time back
now it's coming back to bite Labour badly on the Azz for continuous poor performance ?
Do you think people are so stupid or blind to think that a simple change of deckchairs
and basically mostly the same bums plonked in them is going to fool anyone
while the earlier issues persist and further worsen ? ;)
I think everyone can clearly see what's happening, especially when the more sinister sides
keep hitting the Ordinary people on the street even harder and brutal reality of a regime
that has failed in almost everything it has laid hand to starts becoming abundantly clear
to all, in their daily lives :)
Remember the fools that swallowed the tripe once may not be fooled into swallowing
a second or third time, if they dont like or agree with what they are seeing ;)
Labour have a very bad habit of alienating significant numbers of once fooled then
very much awake etc, which only grows in numbers until a certain demise occurs .. ;)
Ask the former Leader, if you dont believe it - her mentor learnt that lesson before her
and there is bound to have been some background jostling going on - The new Captain
admitted it today - that conversations were going on since last November.
That wouldnt have been happening for a simple Menu change at Bellamy's or
for that matter very good reason :)
It's surprising that yourself and/or the fiercely faithful weren't aware of it last year :)
Yes my wife wasn't allowed to see her mother on her deathbed ... locked down not allowed to travel etc ... (J.A= be kind!!) ..... I couldn't continue to do the seasonal fishing job I'd been doing for 26yrs because I didn't take JAB ... thank the sharemarket GODs I had some cracking good months prior so could walk away ... I know many that didn't want it ...but were forced ..
well she TALKED a BIG game >>> Ardern stated that child poverty was the most important issue facing her new government. Five years later, family poverty is in a terrible state. In opposition Ardern was rightly appalled about the number of children living in cars; after five years of her government, that number has quadrupled.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/01...acinda-ardern/