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well done. That seems like a big mission. Went for a morning run this morning, drove out of the driveway and cripes, not 50 metres away is a sign saying vote with an arrow pointing. Did not know it was going to be that easy, may have voted today rather than earlier.
Check out betfair.com for some interesting odds if you have the time.
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"IM LEAVING POLITICS",COLEMAN REFUSES TO DISCUSS HOSPITAL MOULD
More than a coincidence Coleman going now?, not by the way he responded and hung up. Lack of maintenance under his watch?
Listenduration 2′ :07″
"Surely a prominent politician couldn’t be that gullible, dumb, or unethical. That would be beyond the bounds of plausibility. Sounds like fake news."
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06...ately-condemn/
This is a new low for Collins, a whaleoil type tactic imo. She has just cemented herself in history as never ever being more than a brief pop up leader at best..
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-th...a-bridges-fail
Contagion from across the ditch, kauri dieback spread to politicians?
Leak saga reveals a party with serious internal problems
Unlike you to jump to conclusions JT. You're normally more unbiased
im watching it unfold and listening to the very awkward speech by Bridges atm. A lot of pauses and arraahs.
Suppose it could be Collins esp after that fake news bit she attached to Jacindas name(a few posts above) which was the sign of a bored person fiddling , messing around, someone with nothing left to lose who doesn't want to just stay on the opposition benches "keeping the govt honest and to account". She knows she has no future as leader and that the national party is in the wilderness for a long time. A person like that would want to be eventually found so that they could find the exit. If there is illness that would make for a sad ending to a very entertaining woman.
Then again Collins would never call Bridges a bully,lol even if she was in a mental state, could be Paula. If anyone does need help i hope they get it fast.
Wasn't his to call off. And if he had then the left would be screaming form the roof tops.
Mallard made the call as he set it up.
He blew it by not preempting Mallard.
agree to disagree , have a nice merlot, i am ,cheers:)
Comment: Timing of MP's departure raises questions
"Jami-Lee Ross is among a handful of National MPs who have been quietly suspected as a potential leaker among colleagues for some time."
Interesting conjectures from the Spinoff
The next few weeks may decide the fate of Simon Bridges
"There’s no pressing need for his caucus to roll their leader; the party’s overall poll numbers are, reportedly, stable. But didn’t Paula Bennett do surprisingly well in that press conference? Judith Collins has been getting good cut-through: maybe she’d win votes with all these culture-war issues? Or, what if National parachuted some high-profile CEO into Parliament via a by-election in the safe seat of soon-to-be-former Botany MP Jami-Lee Ross and they became the next John Key? So many intriguing options for National’s caucus and strategists!"
No surprises Jamie Lee Ross is the leaker.
Anyone got a twitter account as jamie is talking there.
Jamie Lee is denying its him.Says bridges muzzled him from speaking..
Wonder who the new leaker is, about Bridges donations?
Whoah just heard Jamie less is accusing bridges of illegal activities and all will be known soon.
Looks like Jamie Lee is in a hole and digging it deeper. (no twitter here - bad enough copping flak on a ST forum)
Edit - nut look like you can get a feed here: https://twitter.com/jamileeross/stat...22391523110912)
Also looks like Jamie has leaked the donations issue and forced Bridges hand.Messy.
"This evidence led Simon to push me out on medical leave a few weeks ago. It was essentially an attempt to stop me from speaking publicly. "I now have a duty to speak publicly on these matters. I will do so in coming days."
"When I started to become expendable, I confronted him with evidence that I had recorded him discussing with me unlawful activity that he was involved in. Working on his instruction, he asked me to do things with election donations that broke the law."
Jeepers - sounds like he has come off medication.
Innocent until proven guilty. There is no proof of guilt, the PWC report was inconclusive, but didn't stop them pointing the finger at JLR. Then the QC backs the pointed finger, so Bridges shoots from the hip. Anyway you look at it the whole saga should never have got legs, it's so minor, however Bridges has made a complete hash of it and still it's not over with JLR promising more revelations later this week. Bridges must go.
The 21st century doesn't seem to agree with the National Party.
What would Sid Holland think? Keith Holyoake? Jack Marshall? Sir Robert Muldoon? Jim Bolger?
From Aaron Gilmore to the complete flake that took over from Mister English in his electorate and now this.
It's just embarrassing.
This isn't an embarrassment. Its a very real concern that the person has mental health issues - so worrying the police and Speaker essentially didnt want to push the person over the edge.
Gilmore was a twit, no doubt about it - but this is at a totally different level.
Jamie is speaking to media. link to listen on national radio now.
What an absolute nutcase
Ahh convicted already, typical,We will see. Lets not prejudge.
Richard Harman may have his finger on the pulse http://politik.co.nz/en/content/poli...suspension.htm
A very detailed calm , creditable and thorough hour of answering all questions with names ( the $100,000 chinese donor for 1) , explanations and details. No evasiness at all.A bombshell .
Richard harman has been discredited as inaccurate and being fed national party smear/spin which will be full flowing; by jamie lee r in the interview.
Very short fuse reactive and misreading with a hair trigger as usual. Have you listened to the complete interview , can you actually focus that long?. Im not prejudging, those are jamie lees words, not mine. There is a lot of info and detail there which needs to be honestly answered.
These are your words "Richard harman has been discredited as inaccurate " not Jamie's and show you've prejudged by believing everything the mentally disturbed JLR says. Quite incredible how you seem completely unable to debate on this forum without personal abuse against everyone that disagrees with you. Don't care when you do it against me but find it annoying and pathetic when you regularly do it to others. Grow up a little !
Unfortunately one brings it on one self , going off half cocked like that.
Bridges interview very unconvincing.Unlike jamie lee ross he repeated the same line over and over and refused to answer reporters questions.
Bridges is a gonner…… mud sticks.
None at all. This is what caused his mental breakdown according to him, accusations but no details, no chance of defending himself; to get rid of him he said. He also said they said they can make it 15 women if they want to. All will be revealed hopefully about who is right and who isn't.
"I was pushed out on medical leave and I have now recovered" - theres inconsistencies in that one statement. The rest of them are certainly career limiting. Any chance of him retaining Botany are nil. Sure hes lucid - but how much says is true remains to be seen.
Edit. OK I've watched most of JLR's press conference. Quite clearly he has it in for Bridges. Much of what he says about Bridges poll ratings isnt news - National is no doubt managing that. JLR going rogue says more about him than Bridges or NAtional on that point.
JLR also keeps saying Bridges has committed electoral fraud (out of the safety of Parliamentary Privilege as well). JLR ought to know that its fair enough to accuse bridges of fraud, but he cant say he has committed fraud. That's an offence and the verdict is decided by a judge on evidence presented. Not on JLR's opinion. JLR might want to spend a little less time swatting up on electoral fraud and start reading up on defamation law.
True to be sure.
Jeez it would be interesting living in the Ross household. His wife, Lucy Schwaner, is the one who got voted onto the Howick Local Board. She attended the first meeting a few weeks later and then when she wasn't voted in as Chair she threw her toys and quit the board. Caused a $100,000 by-election. Seems to be two people who have an over inflated view of their own abilities
Remember - this is JLR's version of events. Also worth noting that Bridges is an ex Crown Prosecutor. He is going to have a bit of an understanding of natural justice, evidence and likely outcome of a verdict when the light is shone on that evidence. I think it highly unlikely Bridges would have acted in the way alleged - especially in light of the Clare Curran, Mika Waiteri and Brett Kavanaugh meltdowns that were occurring around the same time. And given Paul Bennet was somehow involved as well - she also has a reasonably clear head on her.
Are you talking about Kavanaugh or JLR?
Kavanaugh is innocent, Ford is guilty of lying. The evidence points to that, its not conclusive but the weight would support it.
As for JLR or Soimon Bridges, I think JLR is going down in flames and is lying. Simon has handled this badly and needs to resign.
HEDPAS calling for blood ...
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12143511
National moved into survival mode today. No way all those standing behind him actually support him, it was just concealing the knives behind his back. They've been here before and spent a long time in opposition as a result of in-party devision. I reckon it will be the end of Simon, and the patient calculating politician will emerge soon enough as the new leader. She might not be the most popular but she will galvanise the party and ensure a robust opposition and position going into the election. It may even test the notion that a populist always wins an election. Better someone with substance imho, galvanise the electorate. Meanwhile the current mis match in government will be laughing their heads off, a welcome respite from the real issues they face. National will act quickly imo to do the best thing for the party and revert to being effective opposition. With Bridges at the helm that can't happen. So he's a goner, end of. JLR will win the battle, but neither of them will win the war. Sionara babies.
Note who was standing behind bridges back ,the other applicants for the leadership . Which one is holding the proverbial knife. I think collins would be another big mistake for national , she has serious baggage (reading Dirty Politics by Nicky Hagar was a real eye opener) . Mitchell (to my recollection)won't confirm or deny he killed the enemy as a sniper in an army, def not a good look for leader here..
Guess who was playing this on his phone and chortling?
https://youtu.be/kgeIINs1TrQ
winston of course.
All we need is JLR to hand his evidence to the Police. They will investigate quickly - we know they can because they were pretty quick getting involved in politics when they cleared the PM's partner of various rumours. Leave it for the investigation and see what happens - or the release of the audio by JLR tomorrow.
I think Bridges has done the right thing - JLR was clearly a cancer that needed to be found and cut out. If JLR wasnt happy with Bridges leadership there were options open to him to get change - he was the numbers man. The numbers were either for or against change at current time. He obviously has had a hissy fit over the numbers
Weird distraction for a change
All this carry on should raise concerns about the (unhealthy) influence that the PRC is having on our elected officials
Totally with you on this one. And that goes for Labour just as much as National. (sorry you said elected officials I just realised). It is a worry the influence that communist China is trying to exert on smaller nations around the globe. NZ is obviously not exempt.
MPs Raymond Huo and and Jian Yang seem to be ‘influencers’
This Yikun Zhang got something in the Queens Birthday Honours. Besides his more high level activity seems to have done a bit of work for the Southland District Council as well.
It’s a worry both Labour and National never really want to talk about their relationship with these people.
Its a fact of life and one that has been around for ages. Nothing new here. Nothing to see here.
The Chinese, generally take a very long term view on things. This is at odds with our short term views. There will be no need for China to exert military might. They will have done so through economics.
Some may see this as a bad thing. But if we are going to be in a "global Market" or Global village" it goes with the territory. Additionally if you have investments more demand on a constriend supply equals better prices. There wil be much more value have Chinese in the school curricula than there will be for te reo.
I posted this below earlier on labour thread. It is something to be concerned about, a soft invasion.Fragrant palm greasing, insiders etc. And we are very vulnerable to such a powerful and large trading partner we rely on for our exports. Things like having to hide protestors for tibet away when a chinese delegate visits.Subtle threats re goods being held up at ports due to "documentation" etc.
"Great article and a concern i often think about. Many Chinese immigrant residents here are very patriotic to China ahead of NZ. They have been indoctrinated continuously since birth to always support the Chinese govt for the GREATER good and dont even think about it(esp their leaders growing power over all), its programmed. And with many years of growth and boom times for China who would argue with that.Except they live here now.
They use WeChat here (and there)for connecting with each other gathering info and doing payments separately to anything the rest of us use. Cash is used for many purchases and payments. They cant use facebook, google etc in China,its blocked is my understanding.
They can download many programmes/ movie/music/DVD to watch for free that most of us have to pay/subscribe for.
I have heard the Chinese govt pays for flights or accomodation back home where they share stuff about nz, i know not what, maybe build networks, connections ,alliances , cultivating bank managers etc? These can be"cultural" trips back home to update traditional dance etc, teach english whilst back there etc. I have no problems with diversifying NZ,s multicultural population ,its a recent new norm and healthy, sometimes i just am a little concerned about how much is contributed to our country and how much may be stealthily taken away. Just my opinion and observations."
Poor Maureen Pugh
Wonder if she had been told she’s f... useless, if not knows now
She knows now winner after having a conversation with Simon. More importantly, why did JLR take this setup recording to the Police ? I hope for his sake, he’s got something better than this to back up his big and defamatory claims !!
I think this was his big revel - kinda like ole dotcom and the big reveal he was going to do. Both have ended up damp squibs.
JLR is clearly deranged. There is nothing in that recording that will get Bridges charged let alone convicted.
It strikes me as an ultimate betrayal of trust from Bridges and loyalty to National.
He probably has more recordings containing the likes of the Pugh (who is she??) comment that will be damaging to Bridges. But no more damaging if any person happened to record private conversations between people.
Now hi is unemployed I cant see him winning Botany. I cant see him being employable full stop. Who in their right mind would employ a person who so deviously and self-servingly betrays trust. (Hopefully teh missus is working - but I wouldn't employ her either).
Gotta hand it to him though. If their are ratbags in Labour, National has cleaned out the King of The Rats. A new benchmark has been set.
Sure has been the UTU of all UTU's atp,destroying himself in the process.
JLR going down in flames. The mind boggles https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/10/1...omen-speak-out
it is amazing how this ratbag, who sounds to have been so unstable at times, got to such a senior position in a NZ political party. How many others like him are lurking in their midst?
Not many are coming out well from this:
Simon Bridges: judges people’s ethnicity depending on how useful it is for his purposes!
Interesting fact I learned from this brou-ha-ha....according to 2013 census over 50% of his electorate were born overseas. It could well be higher now especially with the number of housing developments having been built.
I live in a contiguous electorate and there are many from the Indian sub-continent who could be somewhat taken aback by Bridges phone call comments. Lots of Bridge building to be done I would guess!
I think i heard on national radio that JLR has Lusk as an advisor
Seriously happy to upset the status quo | Stuff.co.nzwww.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8717357/Seriously-happy-to-upset-the-status-quo
You'll enjoy dirty politics by nicky hagar then.
A very good read from Gordon Campbell on Scoop with some good footnotes.
"Supposedly, it is never a good idea to see how sausages are made. What Ross has done is take us into the political sausage factory and rub our noses in it. Ultimately, it could be seen as a public service to portray politics in this realistic light, but few people will find it pleasant, or will be thanking Ross for the experience."
Gordon Campbell: On Jami-Lee Ross (And The New Hobbit Law)
Judith always right behind him and unlike all the others BOTH her hands are concealing.:t_up:
A word to simon,stand at the back on a box for the new photo shoot and tell paula not to wear any snappy outfits with predatory spots on it.Showing her new stapled figure a good idea though.
The cynic in me wonders if crosby/textor are involved here, throwing a dead cat on the table to divert from Jamies accusations and smear him. The Me Too movement being so to the fore ( and thats great) would make it the right subject to attack jamies credibility for sure. 4 anonymous women who were consensual? I have no idea just throwing this out there as i have read "dirty politics" and have learnt what goes on .
OMG. Crosby Textor again. You mean working for your mates JLR/Whaleoil or your nemesis National ?
Says it all .. No real analyst or understanding.
This government has left us " ALL " wanting..
Both .. The FAT and the THIN.. The rich pricks and the welfare bludgers..
The one's that go for a run.. Morning or night.. And those that waddle...
Only one side will win... The Realist's..
Katrina Bungard appears to be one of the four. She has now "outed" herself and her complaints and the way Nationally professionally handled them.
Just for clarity it seems complainants were involved in a consensual sexual relationship which then tuned into a misogynistic brutal sexual relationship - who knows where consent ceased.
So there is now at least one fully documented complaint and resolution against Ross.
objectively - a marriage has legal force and implications between the two people involved. When a third party gets involved in areas covered by this legal institution, they are crossing the boundaries. It has implications and will usually end in tears for one or more people in the triangle.
National do need to answer for the coverup.
"Goodfellow is hardly being forthcoming about his role, saying only that "any issues that we were aware of that were raised, were dealt with at the time" - a statement that hardly seems adequate."
Answers for Ross 'cover-up'
I cant figure out if the recent donations scandal means the New Zealand National Party are fellow travelers with the Chinese Communist Party and will kow tow to them or are they rice Christians just after the money.
Boop boop de do
Marilyn
The tort of breach of promise is different from contractual breach.. Divorce isn't the cancellation of a contract. Its the formal termination of a registered union (marriage or Civil Union) followed by a registration change. For those in a non- registered marriage (ie those "living in sin" but where relationship property laws apply) they can very easily "divorce" and "marry" again. The "mariage" is the easy bit - arguing over the property is the hard bit.
Anyhow - gettign off topic. Maybe JLR and his wife had an "agreement" that he could get under someone elses bed sheets