Winston First

Finally - he's come out with someting sensible.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...omeback-speech

“Who signed up to this plan to change New Zealand’s name? Who was asked. When were you asked?” Peters said.

I'd just about vote for him on the strength of this.

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Originally Posted by fungus pudding

Finally - he's come out with someting sensible.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...omeback-speech

“Who signed up to this plan to change New Zealand’s name? Who was asked. When were you asked?” Peters said.

I'd just about vote for him on the strength of this.

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Let’s see how much support he can gather.

Let’s not forget that it is entirely his fault that the socialist, virtue-signalling Left have been in power since 2017. He was sulking because his pension overpayment was released, blamed National and decided to put Labour in power as an “up yours”.

So, though I agree with a lot of the points he has raised, I would like to see him acknowledge his part in this before any talk of a ‘come back’.

But of course, Winnie is far too slimy for that.

National still a joke. Seymour seems to be the Leader of the Opposition.

Not just government departments being ‘woke’, a lot of business jumping on the bandwagon too so that they can’t be accused of being bigoted.

For example, during homosexual week the banks fall all over each other to see who can make the most poofy looking ATM. Doesn’t actually achieve anything for the homosexual community, but makes the banks look like they really care!

I could go on.

God help us all.

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Let’s see how much support he can gather.

Let’s not forget that it is entirely his fault that the socialist, virtue-signalling Left have been in power since 2017. He was sulking because his pension overpayment was released, blamed National and decided to put Labour in power as an “up yours”.

So, though I agree with a lot of the points he has raised, I would like to see him acknowledge his part in this before any talk of a ‘come back’.

But of course, Winnie is far too slimy for that.

National still a joke. Seymour seems to be the Leader of the Opposition.

Not just government departments being ‘woke’, a lot of business jumping on the bandwagon too so that they can’t be accused of being bigoted.

For example, during homosexual week the banks fall all over each other to see who can make the most poofy looking ATM. Doesn’t actually achieve anything for the homosexual community, but makes the banks look like they really care!

I could go on.

God help us all.

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Couldn't agree more, but I could tolerate a truckload of slime more than I could tolerate a name change for New Zealand.

I'd like to see name change to Aoetearoa put to a vote in a referendum, as it would be defeated. So they won't try it for ten or twenty years.

I think we should respect the names originally given to places and not change them.
Wait we changed them all already!

Maybe change them back? Oh no that would be leftie virtue signalling. Not allowed on ST lol.
Why is this thread even in NZX?

I wish I had voted for him now ,anyone whom stands up to the P C trolls is taking a big risk with the state of the left wing press /media that runs the country's propaganda machine now.

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I think we should respect the names originally given to places and not change them.
Wait we changed them all already!

Maybe change them back? Oh no that would be leftie virtue signalling. Not allowed on ST lol.
Why is this thread even in NZX?

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Thanks for pointing that out.
It was because I had a brain freeze. I have asked moderator to correct it.

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National still a joke. Seymour seems to be the Leader of the Opposition.

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I hope jacinda cancels him by removing the coat-tails rule.

Dave back to a one man band.

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I wish I had voted for him now ,anyone whom stands up to the P C trolls is taking a big risk with the state of the left wing press /media that runs the country's propaganda machine now.

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When you're sub 1% like Winny, not much to lose from saying it like it is (and like many of us might also like to do)

Good on him for straight talking, non PC and non woke.... a breath of fresh air in the current climate. Still wouldn't vote for his mob though.

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I hope jacinda cancels him by removing the coat-tails rule.

Dave back to a one man band.

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Such an undemocratic and unconstitutional act would suit your's and Labour's cancel culture perfectly wouldn't it. Stuff democracy when it doesn't suit you and you know better !

The other side wanted to get rid of MMP (and the flag) and the people said no..

It's known that Winnie gets the most bang for buck in terms of donations.

400k for 8MPs to decide the next NZ government.
vs 1million for a one man band in 2017 and 800k on greens for a permanent opposition party.

Named after a Dutch province,ridiculous! So dumb and incongruous,embarrassing even,what an insult to all kiwis(no disrespect to the Dutch).
Aotearoa (land of the long white cloud)is so apt and correct. Tim Finn's great song"Aotearoa,rugged individual,glisten like a pearl,at the bottom of the world....) Says it all.

It was never called aoetearoa. Just as they had no name for themselves taken as a group until after the Europeans arrived, when tangata maori or ordinary people began to be used, since shortened to maori, there was no name for the islands as a whole. Certainly no politically united country by any name whatsoever.

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The other side wanted to get rid of MMP (and the flag) and the people said no..

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Exactly. They took it to a referendum. Very different to what you're suggesting

It's not such a fundamental change that it requires a referendum.

5% should mean 5%.

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Let’s see how much support he can gather.

Let’s not forget that it is entirely his fault that the socialist, virtue-signalling Left have been in power since 2017. He was sulking because his pension overpayment was released, blamed National and decided to put Labour in power as an “up yours”.

So, though I agree with a lot of the points he has raised, I would like to see him acknowledge his part in this before any talk of a ‘come back’.

But of course, Winnie is far too slimy for that.

National still a joke. Seymour seems to be the Leader of the Opposition.

Not just government departments being ‘woke’, a lot of business jumping on the bandwagon too so that they can’t be accused of being bigoted.

For example, during homosexual week the banks fall all over each other to see who can make the most poofy looking ATM. Doesn’t actually achieve anything for the homosexual community, but makes the banks look like they really care!

I could go on.

God help us all.

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oh damn it, i have missed homosexual week again.
what a bummer

As one myself maybe I should put it on the CV to climb through the ranks more rapidly?

Surely asking about sex orientation is discriminatory.

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Exactly. They took it to a referendum. Very different to what you're suggesting

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Maybe take it to a referendum anyway, dave will lose.

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Named after a Dutch province,ridiculous! So dumb and incongruous,embarrassing even,what an insult to all kiwis(no disrespect to the Dutch).
Aotearoa (land of the long white cloud)is so apt and correct. Tim Finn's great song"Aotearoa,rugged individual,glisten like a pearl,at the bottom of the world....) Says it all.

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Read the Treaty of Waitangi, Maori version, and see what the actual Maori name for New Zealand is. It is NOT Aotearoa, but Nu Tirani. Aotearoa only applied to part of the North Island, and not the whole country.

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Read the Treaty of Waitangi, Maori version, and see what the actual Maori name for New Zealand is. It is NOT Aotearoa, but Nu Tirani. Aotearoa only applied to part of the North Island, and not the whole country.

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Those Dutch cartographers were the first to give one name to this archipelago - Nova Zeelandia - so I see we should stick to that and ignore the subsequent anglicized version of it. My vote goes to Nova Zeelandia although for some inhabitants of the islands it did indeed usher in a New Tyranny.

I think Zealandia should be retired from the coat of arms. She is too much of a cultural cringe to Britannia? The warrior should be replaced by an IT consultant and Zealandia by a realtor.

Fellow Commonwealth province - Nova Scotia - kept its Latin name.

one word M@ggot !

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Those Dutch cartographers were the first to give one name to this archipelago - Nova Zeelandia - so I see we should stick to that and ignore the subsequent anglicized version of it. My vote goes to Nova Zeelandia although for some inhabitants of the islands it did indeed usher in a New Tyranny.

Fellow Commonwealth province - Nova Scotia - kept its Latin name.

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New Zealand is well established as the country's name. What have Ceylon, Burma, Bombay etc, acheived by changing names - other than confusion?

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New Zealand is well established as the country's name. What have Ceylon, Burma, Bombay etc, acheived by changing names - other than confusion?

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I am not confused by any of their current names. In fact it is less confusing, as I know if an old name is used it is easier to place it into context - similarly with Byzantium/Constantinople/Istanbul. Name changes are part of historical evolution.

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oh damn it, i have missed homosexual week again.
what a bummer

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What a wonderful post.?.!.lol.

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What a wonderful post.?.!.lol.

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I could be worse, in the US homosexual week has become pride month.

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Read the Treaty of Waitangi, Maori version, and see what the actual Maori name for New Zealand is. It is NOT Aotearoa, but Nu Tirani. Aotearoa only applied to part of the North Island, and not the whole country.

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Thanks for that, shame i love Aotearoa. Nu Tirani then .Maybe New Zealand in smaller letters under it for a few years.

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I am not confused by any of their current names. In fact it is less confusing, as I know if an old name is used it is easier to place it into context - similarly with Byzantium/Constantinople/Istanbul. Name changes are part of historical evolution.

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oops - error

https://nopunchespulled.com/2021/06/21/winstons-back/

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https://nopunchespulled.com/2021/06/21/winstons-back/

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I agree with Sir Bob that a referendum should be held. At least JK held two of them, no less, on his pet project of changing the flag. I am sure they could find the money for the process of voting on and then changing the name.

Short name Options:
Aotearoa New Zealand
Aotearoa
New Zealand
Nu Tireni
Nova Zeelandia

Long name prefix:
Kingdom of..
Realm of..
Regnum Novae Zeelandiae
Dominion of..
Commonwealth of…
Rangatiratanga o..

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I could be worse, in the US homosexual week has become pride month.

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Far more liberal than us! They spend a whole month being proud of their homosexuals before it is back to BAU!

Slimy Winston has been ducking and diving as predicted. The question was asked about whether he regrets going with Labour in 2017 (and therefore starting this whole mess).

Well, low and behold! He didn't go with Labour as an FU to National over his pension overpayment after all! No indeed! It seems that Winnie already knew that National was a party of sex addicts! He never alerted anyone to the sin and debauchery at the time of course! But he damn well knew want a bunch of sickos they were, and THAT is why he went with Labour. No choice at all really, completely out of his hands!

Silly me! Here I was thinking he was at least partially to blame for our current mess! Thanks for straightening out my thinking Winnie!

Selling off our assets and farmland to overseas investors was too much for winnie.

Look at Germany and Israel for how MMP should work.
Too much entitlement culture within National, no one is "entitled" to govern.

Which is partly why national could drop out of contention while NZ first and act work to earn votes.

Let's not forget it was national who put up this woke form of legislation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine...oana)_Act_2011

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Read the Treaty of Waitangi, Maori version, and see what the actual Maori name for New Zealand is. It is NOT Aotearoa, but Nu Tirani. Aotearoa only applied to part of the North Island, and not the whole country.

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I'm not on the woke side but ... Hawaii is only the name of one island of the archipelago but the whole state takes that name.
Michael King's history is very interesting on these and related matters. Eg The United Tribes and their flag of 1834 was entirely organized by the British resident Busby who wanted a flag selected so NZ ships could be flagged. Out of politeness the assembled chiefs initially voted for all the flags until a missionary intervened.
Also, the stories of Maori pupils being punished for speaking Maori come from the schools set up especially for Maori under the 1867 act - where at the request of the parents instruction was in English.

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...Also, the stories of Maori pupils being punished for speaking Maori come from the schools set up especially for Maori under the 1867 act - where at the request of the parents instruction was in English.

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Wouldn't that be because many parents wanted their children to avoid the discrimination from English speaking colonisers/Employers/government? It would not be because of intrinsic preference for or love of the English language.

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Wouldn't that be because many parents wanted their children to avoid the discrimination from English speaking colonisers/Employers/government? It would not be because of intrinsic preference for or love of the English language.

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Of course it wasn't. They were simply being pragmatic.

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Of course it wasn't. They were simply being pragmatic.

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Of course it was pragmatic action. Punishing the children for speaking Maori would have meant they may have been more likely to keep a full belly in the NZ of that era - a step in trying to avoid the discrimination they would have faced for speaking Maori in their own land.

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Of course it wasn't. They were simply being pragmatic.

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Maori is a dead language with zero relevance in the modern world. End of story.

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Maori is a dead language with zero relevance in the modern world. End of story.

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It may be a dead language with little or no relevance in the modern world, but it certainly isn't the end of the story. Dixi (Latin)

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Of course it was pragmatic action. Punishing the children for speaking Maori would have meant they may have been more likely to keep a full belly in the NZ of that era - a step in trying to avoid the discrimination they would have faced for speaking Maori in their own land.

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I'm not sure how you conclude protecting them from discrimination, which is perfectly sensible parenting, was punishment.

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It may be a dead language with little or no relevance in the modern world, but it certainly isn't the end of the story. Dixi (Latin)

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Reports of its death are highly exaggerated; to wit this discussion for one example. Language is always evolving. English itself has not been a static language. The use of Te Red Maori is indeed growing. However I think what may also be likely will be the growth of the NZ dialect of English, incorporating a growing number of Maori words and expressions. Aotearoa may yet become the name for the country in both English and Te Reo Maori, in popular use if not by legal promulgation.

Welsh/Cymraeg usage is growing in the UK, and many of the ways it is taught and used are similar in NZ with Maori/Te Reo

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I'm not sure how you conclude protecting them from discrimination, which is perfectly sensible parenting, was punishment.

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We live in different realities.

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I'm not sure how you conclude protecting them from discrimination, which is perfectly sensible parenting, was punishment.

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The English language brought education and civilization to the Maoris. They had zero chance in hell of joining the modern world with their dead language which did not even had a written form.

End of story.

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The English language brought education and civilization to the Maoris. They had zero chance in hell of joining the modern world with their dead language which did not even had a written form.

End of story.

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The Te Reo language is not dead despite the best efforts of some British colonisers. Surely there had been a similar situation with the English language. Scholarly texts and governance was in Latin and French. with English being the language discriminated against. In fact the way English survived was to incorporate Latin and French. The current English lexicon contains so many Latin and French words. Similarly current Te Reo has many transliterated borrowings from English.

There are many multilingual and bilingual countries. I have confidence that a bilingual Aotearoa-NZ would thrive unimpeded.

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The Te Reo language is not dead despite the best efforts of some British colonisers. Surely there had been a similar situation with the English language. Scholarly texts and governance was in Latin and French. with English being the language discriminated against. In fact the way English survived was to incorporate Latin and French. The current English lexicon contains so many Latin and French words. Similarly current Te Reo has many transliterated borrowings from English.

There are many multilingual and bilingual countries. I have confidence that a bilingual Aotearoa-NZ would thrive unimpeded.

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So much fuss made about Maori children not being allowed to speak in Maori in school in the old days. Surely that was an important consideration and function of wanting them to be fluent in English as much and as quickly as possible/

Go to Asia and you will see the same even today - students are in school to better their education in their chosen language because they can speak their individual languages at home. The failure of Maoris to teach their kids at home was and is still the real problem. And please do not try and woke correct me - I have had this told to me by Maoris elders themselves this year.

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Go to Asia and you will see the same even today - students are in school to better their education in their chosen language because they can speak their individual languages at home. The failure of Maoris to teach their kids at home was and is still the real problem. And please do not try and woke correct me - I have had this told to me by Maoris elders themselves this year.

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My emphasis.

I aspire to being “woke” whatever it means. It sounds better than being “asleep”.

Can these people in “Asia” really chose the language in which they are educated?

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My emphasis.

I aspire to being “woke” whatever it means. It sounds better than being “asleep”.

Can these people in “Asia” really chose the language in which they are educated?

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I guess a frog in a coconut shell will always think the shell is the world.

Good on you being woke - confirms why you think & write the way you do. Good one. Bravo.

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I guess a frog in a coconut shell will always think the shell is the world.

Good on you being woke - confirms why you think & write the way you do. Good one. Bravo.

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Read his post - he doesn't claim to be woke, and like me he isn't quite sure what it even means -although, unlike me, he aspires to become woke - presumably so he can then find out what he has turned into.

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I guess a frog in a coconut shell will always think the shell is the world.

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...and an ant in a marshmallow pie needs for nothing.

"N.Z. Future Forest Products Limited"
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/11/n...s_limited.html
NOVEMBER 20, 2019 7:00AM BY DAVID FARRAR
N.Z. Future Forest Products Limited
Let’s have a careful look at N.Z. Future Forest Products Limited. It was established on 27 March 2019.

It is a company 100% owned by Kinleith Continuation LP. That is a limited partnership where all we know is the public partner is David Henry, son of NZ First lawyer Brian Henry. It is normal for an LP to be set up to hide detail of foreign investors.

The address of both NZFFP and Kinleith is a flat owned by Brian Henry.

It has four directors. The three initial directors are Brian Henry, David Henry and Michael Rann (based in UK). A 4th director appointed on 27 August 2019 is Jan Trotman, partner of Winston Peters.

Within days of being formed it applied for $15 million from the provincial slush fund for a feasibility study for a new engineered timber operation in Gisborne. Yes $15 million for a study! Luckily Labour Ministers turned it down a few days ago.

They also applied for $95 million from the Billion trees fund to buy farmland to convert to commercial forestry.

Yes a possibly foreign owned company run by NZ First people tried to get over $100 million out of taxpayers so it could buy up NZ owned farmland and convert it to forestry land.

No wonder Winston called a journalist a psycho for daring to ask him questions about it. Because there is clearly nothing at all to see here.

It isn’t just about the unsuccessful attempt to get $110 million from taxpayers. NZ First has been responsible for policy changes exempting forestry companies from overseas investment restrictions on land. So even without the grant applications, we have the potential for people intimately involved with NZ First to benefit from NZ First policy.

And we don’t know who the actual owners are. They have a corporate structure which hides the foreign investors.

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"N.Z. Future Forest Products Limited"
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/11/n...s_limited.html
NOVEMBER 20, 2019 7:00AM BY DAVID FARRAR
N.Z. Future Forest Products Limited
Let’s have a careful look at N.Z. Future Forest Products Limited. It was established on 27 March 2019.

It is a company 100% owned by Kinleith Continuation LP. That is a limited partnership where all we know is the public partner is David Henry, son of NZ First lawyer Brian Henry. It is normal for an LP to be set up to hide detail of foreign investors.

The address of both NZFFP and Kinleith is a flat owned by Brian Henry.

It has four directors. The three initial directors are Brian Henry, David Henry and Michael Rann (based in UK). A 4th director appointed on 27 August 2019 is Jan Trotman, partner of Winston Peters.

Within days of being formed it applied for $15 million from the provincial slush fund for a feasibility study for a new engineered timber operation in Gisborne. Yes $15 million for a study! Luckily Labour Ministers turned it down a few days ago.

They also applied for $95 million from the Billion trees fund to buy farmland to convert to commercial forestry.

Yes a possibly foreign owned company run by NZ First people tried to get over $100 million out of taxpayers so it could buy up NZ owned farmland and convert it to forestry land.

No wonder Winston called a journalist a psycho for daring to ask him questions about it. Because there is clearly nothing at all to see here.

It isn’t just about the unsuccessful attempt to get $110 million from taxpayers. NZ First has been responsible for policy changes exempting forestry companies from overseas investment restrictions on land. So even without the grant applications, we have the potential for people intimately involved with NZ First to benefit from NZ First policy.

And we don’t know who the actual owners are. They have a corporate structure which hides the foreign investors.

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but there's more:

Look at the website for the company on the right at page under

https://coys.co.nz/:entity?no=732953...ODUCTS+LIMITED

http://www.nzffp.com

There we have some further references to more companies:

FFPG Holdings Ltd at foot of the page

Under, using the search, we see two more companies:

https://coys.co.nz/:entities?q=FFPG