Time to start a new thread and hopefully a new brighter chapter in NZ. Start with a list of Ministers. I wish them all luck and good fortune.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/who-ar...CY6SFZ7FHAKAI/
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Time to start a new thread and hopefully a new brighter chapter in NZ. Start with a list of Ministers. I wish them all luck and good fortune.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/who-ar...CY6SFZ7FHAKAI/
The country is doomed …….these people in charge …the cabinet
From National:
Christopher Luxon
Nicola Willis
Chris Bishop
Shane Reti
Simeon Brown
Erica Stanford
Paul Goldsmith
Louise Upston
Judith Collins
Mark Mitchell
Todd McClay
Tama Potaka
Matt Doocey
Melissa Lee
From ACT:
David Seymour
Brooke van Velden
Nicole McKee
From NZ First:
Winston Peters
Shane Jones
Casey Costello
Massive swing to the sensible party, common sense legislation from here on out, 1 VOTE per 1 PERSON, and no more B S . GREAT
best bit of coverage so far
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...agreement.html
Gerry Brownlee to be speaker... hope he doesn't throw his weight around.
What a shambles, didnt look anything like the promised strong stable united coalition.
Luxon lost control of his Deputy's, lost control of the room.
Seymour ran rings around Luxon, completely dominated the introductions hugely irritating Winston & leaving Luxon looking awkward.
Winston alternating between lashing out at the media & Labour govt, and looking bored & not wanting to be there.
Animosity between Winston & Seymour visible for all to see simmering just below the surface.
And the split Deputy role, I just knew Luxon would surrender to this even though in practical terms its such an impractical idea, I thought surely he couldn't, also it makes him look indecisive.
There's a whole apparatus around Deputy Leader, its not just a matter of swapping Seymour for Winston.
Also Brooke Van Veldon, a 1st Term MP, who looks barely out of university, no life experience, never married, no partner, no children, now Minister of Internal Affairs !
That's a huge Ministry covering a diverse range from ICT to Gambling & Citizenship to The National Library & Archives, supporting Local Govt, censorship etc.
There's some very senior, very experienced (& muscular) managers in many of these organisations, now reporting to her. Wow. She had better do a crash course in Te Reo & Te ao Māori fast.
And Judith Collins now Attorney General, just shows how bare the cupboard is.
So much to unpack.
Quite a bit there for aged care in the NZF/Nat agreement.. JAK should have voted for winnie.
Though it could be working groups 2.0 if nothing gets done, at least its being talked about.
The winston effect - Super stays at 65.
Winnie fighting for all the victims here...
NZ First gets new Covid-19 inquiry
NZ First has secured a new inquiry into the Government's Covid response.
The previous Labour Government launched a Royal Commission into the Covid-19 pandemic, but NZ First leader Winston Peters criticised it and questioned its Independence.
In NZ First's agreement with National, the coalition has agreed to urgently establish a "full-scale, wide-ranging, independent inquiry".
This new inquiry would analyse lockdowns, vaccine procurement and efficacy, the social and economic impacts of the alert levels, and the justification of all pandemic regulations and decisions.
The coalition also agreed to urgently "reserve against proposed amendments to WHO health
regulations".
ACT also questioned the terms of reference for the royal commission. It has support to broaden the terms of reference for the ongoing Covid-19 Royal Commission.
Looks like Lux & Dave wanted to freeze the minimum wage too but Winnie said NOPE.. though couldn't stop the unprecedented migration we'll now endure.
This will be a coaliton of house prices to the moon.
Well at last there is a sensible govt, the first in a very very long time , 6 years , now Im sure that most of the Labour party and those from the last Labour Govt will want to climb on board and rectify the mistakes that has been made by them now that there is real direction and leadership.
Well done to this coalition.
And remember/never forget , "the left is a lie " !!
Red skies & red panda leading the charge on the lefty whinge-fest, predictably. Everything is ‘a shambles’ accordingly to them. The shambles is the state of the government books after 6 years of dire left wing mismanagement, with Robbo, Ardern, and Hipkins presiding over a total fiscal disaster.
You keep going on about NZ's total fiscal disaster, but how real is that ?
Or is that just a perception created & hammered by the opposition to capitalise on discontent to win the election.
All govt's run surpluses & deficits over time to smooth out shocks to the economy, e.g. National during the GFC - took 6 years to get back to even.
NZ govt debt to GDP ratio is low by comparison to many many other countries, well below the Asia Pacific average & forecast to trend down steeply from a peak in 2024.
NZ's Fiscal position is constantly evaluated by Global Credit Rating Agencies with S&P and Fitch both reaffirming AAA & AA+ respectively, & Moody's at Aaa.
The IMF publishes an international comparison of debt showing NZ at 24.1% of GDP in 2024, versus Australia 38.2%, UK 98.2% & US 99.8%.
Different system of measure will give slightly different results but the relativity remain the same.
After coming through a once in 100 year global pandemic, plus 2 major catastrophic weather events affecting vast areas of the country, & long periods of high immigration combined with chronic under investment in infrastructure, we are not too badly off.
Were you not surprised today to hear National say we're still going ahead with $14.6 Billion in tax cuts & rebates despite the Foreign Buyers tax being canned, but NZ can afford still afford them.
If the economy was a "total fiscal disaster" & you were a responsible Minister of Finance, you couldn't do that could you?
There's just No way.
So maybe you might re-evaluate this idea you have of the govt books being left in a catastrophic state, dire mismanagement, total fiscal disaster.
Compared to many other countries we're not too badly off.
you tell me - you seem to be holding yourself out as some sort of Argentine expert :)
Not trying to tell us that you no longer like the country now by chance ?
If Labour intending modelling their Kiwi 6 year regime on the longer standing Argentine model
or parts of it, then they seem to have certainly ***ked up badly in places ;)
Of course it may be understood some attraction to their Mr Whatshisface appearing a bit
of a populist .. not dissimilar to Labour's Madam who rapidly abandoned the show
at first sign of a shambles in the making unwinding in the hands of the Comrades
Labour have said no CGT & none by that name seen .. are you dreaming or not listening again ? ;)
6 years of Parkerising about and Labour still come up with nothing that even approached efficient
or simple .. a flopsy & a repeat of exactly what Labour dreamed about & screwed up in an earlier term
so bad that even Chipster had to rule it out to save his skinny pimply white azz and to preserve face :)
Shouldn't the LabGreen coalition have been the "Grand Coalition" in Panda speak ?
What went wrong for it to implode into the collection of deep pot holes so fast ? :)
Seymour minister for regulation! Stoked to see this. Cut the tape!!
Will a national govt lead to higher commodity prices?
Farmers were much better off under labour and it's $8 dairy price compared to $6 bargain basement.
So Labour controlled those too and now it's everyone elses fault ? ;)
The Rural Sector are probably glad to to see the backend of the Lab/Green Coalition of Filth where everything
Rural under that Era was starting to set off Warning alarms and future prospects showing hazardous signs :)
Perhaps everyone should blame Ardern, Labour & Chipster for starting the slide in real NZ prosperity, deterioration in global markets / conditions which have their roots within the 6 years of that Govt ;)
If I'm reading correctly, much of it will come from scrapping Nationals policy of lifting the threshold of Working For Families. Read somewhere that will save $ 555 million a year which will go towards the $ 740 million planned from the foreign buyers tax.
Then they have done the sensible and created a new Ministry of Regulations and given it to Seymour. I'm sure that will quickly lead to lots more savings.
Hopefully Carbon Farming schemes being milked by foreign forestry interests will see some attention,
along with full responsibility bestowed where it belongs for follow down consequences..
I quite believe it .. there will be many very happy to see the removal of the disconnected spinning Urban Labour
& Green seatwarmers who by and large either didn't have a rural clue or for those who did chose to largely ignore it. A sad day when those put in Parliament lose touch & disconnect so badly with where the country's bread & butter is coming from & in turn keeping them in a job :)
I said before the election I'd post a lot less on politics and I've been true to my word. But how extraordinary to see the likes of red panda, red skies, and daytr are still going hell-for-leather on the whingeing / snark, & they probably will be at it for the remainder of their lives.
Pot calling the...
I have hardly posted here in weeks.
It's amazing how yourself, Balance & to a lesser degree NZTX can't tolerate that other people think differently to you.
I have heaps of right wing mates, in fact probably the majority are right wingers.
They are all good, deluded but good. 🤣
Did you not listen to or read news today ? National has ministries such as PM, Finance, Health, Education, Immigration, Housing, Infrastructure, RMA reform, Agriculture, Transport, Justice, AG, Defence, Corrections, Police, Conservation, Climate Change, Speaker and a few others. They also have 14 of 20 Cabinet seats and nearly all of their "100 point plan" will be implemented pronto.
Unlike you, I think much of NZ agrees we are off to a good start today which is great as they have a lot to do to clean up the mess.
Wow just wow!
What a fantastic set of policies they have nutted out across that table the last few weeks.
No more 3 waters,
no more Maori Health Authority
No more ute tax
Charter Schools back
Public service numbers back to 2017 levels
Covid Inquiry
Firearms register gone.
Goodbye He Pua Pua
Bye Bye UNDRIP being binding
I could go on and on, as there is so much more, but this large list is so satisfying!
Ok a few more that came to mind that are so good. (thanks Taxpayers union for reminding me)
o Auckland Light Rail
o Let’s Get Wellington Moving
o The Income Insurance tax
o Lake Onslow Pumped Hydro – This was a Think Big scale boondoggle that has screwed up investment in electricity generation for too long. Good to get certainty on this.
• Remove co-governance from delivery of public services and ensure government contracts awarded are based on value, not race – T
• Repeal the Natural and Built Environment Act 2023 and the Spatial Planning Act 2023 by Christmas. –
• Replace the RMA with new laws focused on property rights. –
Gawd where is everyone's sense of humour today. Lighten up its Friday!
National got PM? There's a surprise.
Luxon lost his prized foreign buyer tax which was always a joke anyway & the numbers didn't stack up, so no real loss as the numbers weren't real,.however there is that hole in their budget now to fill.
Winston is Foreign Affairs & Shane is RDM.
So they are representing the Government to the World & National's heartland the regions.
I would say they got exactly what they wanted.
The real loser out of this though is Seymour & ACT.
On another note, I agree with others, once NAF get their feet under the table I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of ugly stuff uncovered.
Time will tell.
If you think this coalition government is not going to be subjected to the same level of scrutiny as the last Labour govt, you'd better turn off your TV, radio, & cancel all your newspaper & media subscriptions pronto.
The 3 leader press conference today was pretty extraordinary, Luxon unable to control his Deputies, Seymour dominating the introductions & looking Prime Ministerial, Winston looking irritated & not wanting to be there, Luxon getting frustrated with an antagonistic Winston & trying to shut him up with an "alright, alright" then later hastening him off the platform.
Even later this afternoon on ZB Seymour admitting, "I don't have to like the people I go to work with" a post announcement reaction to Winston.
I presume you want this govt to work so it just doesn't bode well that the very first time we see the 3 leaders together after forming the government, there's obvious friction & tension, & they really don't trust each other.
And if you saw the Herald photo of the 3 leaders walking away after the announcement, the expressions on Luxon & Winston's face said it all!
No chemistry there at all.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politi...AEJMHDSLPQQ6I/
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The review of every single Treaty clause in legislation is probably intended by NZF as a word search-delete all exercise but to the extent it will involve codifying existing rights at all it is a *massive* piece of work
bound to get Marama the Greenie squawking loudly but the next encore will likely be when Winston spots her ;)
how fast can she ride her tricycle backwards ? :)
ASH 'shocked' Smokefree laws will be repealed
Good riddance to this BS too :)Quote:
Action on Smoking and Health NZ (ASH) says it is dismayed at the new coalition government’s announcement today that it will repeal the country’s Smokefree laws.
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Hipkins reacts: Claims new Government’s policies “will ultimately take New Zealanders backwards”
Poor Chipkins still hasn't woken up to what backwards is ;)
and that's after tossing how many overboard out over the side in just 9 or so months .. ? ;)
before himself being sent unceremoniously packing by the Greater New Zealanders ..
I do wonder if the foreign buyers tax with its fantastical revenue raising was only introduced as potential post-election sacrifice when bargaining with NZF. It will be good to see some of the more apartheid-like policies of the previous government nipped in the bud.
All the best to Cluxon’s Coalition as they govern Aotearoa NZ.
All the juicy stuff to come out of the Covid inquiry.
Eg. How did NZ went from #1 in the vaccine queue to one of the very last?
Eg. Why was the initial quarantine regime so porous and chaotic?
Eg. Why did Hipkins try to shut down Charlotte Bellis by using confidential and private information?
Because we are all tolerant of each others views and can debate without getting all up tight about it.
Believe me I debate as much with my Greenie / Lefty mates as well and get it pretty much from both sides which is a pretty clear recognition that I am fairly centrist. Lefty on some issues, right on others.
Now all we need is a Captain Cook day on the 8th October (the day the colonialists landed) to really get the lefties unhinged.
In all seriousness though, maybe a change from Waitangi day to NZ day is on the cards as well. There is good precedent for this as happened in the 70's. Waitangi day is just so divisive and is holding the country back.
They're getting rid of the productivity commission, not sure about MBIE but dave wants it axed
Probably should be renamed "The Unproductivity Commission" before being thrown on the bomb fire..
Must be a large raft of these bureaucratic bunkum commissions and other similar structures with their straws out
the chainsaw will be really busy removing the legs out from under all the useless deadweight :)
same story every time Labour get given the boot, isn't it ? :)
Sorry I must be the only one that don’t see your posts oozing with humour & celebration. I suggest you stay out of the rowdy partying wool and cowsheds around NZ tonight and the numerous pubs of celebrating people.
Your “humour” is highly likely to be misunderstood by the people who voted for and got a return to common sense 😀
So you just described blinkered thinking.
I said long before the election Labour had to go.
I'm not exactly celebrating as there will be areas that will improve & others I fear won't.
Let's see the proof in the pudding.
I hope the new Government does well for NZ as that's what we all want.
Very very pleased to see Mike King’s mental health charitable trust Gumboot Friday given a $6m boost.
Absolute disgrace that te WTF Ora under Labour spent $1.9 billion on mental health and over $200m on consultants in the last two years to achieve bugger all while Gumboot Friday got nothing despite helping hundreds of youngsters cope with mental health issues.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/happy-...I6WR7LBUFEB3Y/
It sure was spent. In fact, $200m more was added to the mental health budget in 2022.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/budget...L6T4IHECSCTCA/
All wasted like everything under Ardern & Hipkins & Little.
Good news that te WTF Ora is going back to Health NZ - emphasis back to frontline services rather than woke tokenism.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/incomi...OVMRPKSRZO6PM/
Incoming-Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters blasts te reo Māori names for government departments
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Incoming-Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters has slammed te reo Māori names for government departments, saying “communications is about comprehension and understanding”.
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'How can you have a waka on the road?': Peters slams te reo Māori names
Whoa - Go easy Brother -- before decapitating them, everyone wants to know whose spelling it was that was so bad that they missed out a Letter, how many pot holes they fell into and what they were drinking the night before to produce such an outstanding effort ... and of course the size of the Consultancy fee ; )
I listened to Winston interviewed by HDPA today. He said a lot about the changes coming regarding the "Treaty industry" including:
# Government funding of cultural reports for court cases cancelled
# Change all Government departments names to English language
# Remove any references to the "principles of the Treaty of Waitangi" in new and existing legislation
# Cancel the Maori Health Authority
# Remove the 2 unelected maori seats on Ecan
# Remove favoured status on hospital waiting lists for any race
# Cancel any 3 Waters organisations and return assets to councils
He mentioned quite a few more but it is good that we go back to what Winston called "common sense policies"
Health and safety legislation is being weakened by pro-life luxon.
Removal of cycleways funding is another disappointment. This will put cyclists at a safety risk even though E-bikes are far more environmentally friendly and economically desirable than the American-made tesla he loves to brag about.
Go Winston!
Give the woke leftist hypocrites & losers who have had a free rein under Ardern & Hipkins to implement dumb, divisive and wasteful policies, HELL!
National needed steel in its spine to tackle the stupid & senseless creeping Maorification of NZ and only NZF & ACT can provide that steel.
By all means adopt & embrace what works for NZ with Maori culture and Maorification but not token Woke policies for the sake of gathering Maori votes for Labour.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/incomi...OVMRPKSRZO6PM/
“How can you have a waka on the road?” Peters said of Waka Kotahi going back to using an English name.
“On Te WTF Ora Health New Zealand, Peters said, “It’s back to Health New Zealand”.
“How can you have a waka on the road?”
A helluva good question & one that the moronic Lefty’s have never been able to answer.
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I actually think that if this coalition policy platform had been presented to the electorate prior to the election then the coalition may have got a greater share of the vote. However nothing is perfect. I don’t think plans to repeal the tobacco sales restrictions us a good idea, either. Even the right wing government in the UK were considering copying what was going to happen here.
You have a waka on the road when it's on a trailer, towed by a motaka.
I don't know why the Smoke-free legislation has been scrapped.
I thought that was one of the better things Labour did.
Like English, maybe Te Reo instead should continue to use transliterated French words “vehicle” and “car”? If Te Reo had done what the English language has done and absorbed a French word, I think Winston Peters would probably object to that too. Would he accept “Kā” or “motokā”?
If English used only “English” words, its dictionaries would be only half the size, at most.
This outcome is like a wet dream for those on the centre right.
But of course as the rich got there by being smart, hard working, diligent and by creating wealth for society.
The left? Dumb, stupid, lazy and comprises mostly of parasites, losers, freeloaders like Ardern & Hipkins and breeders of beneficiaries.
Very very satisfying to put the left where they belong with - the trash can.
Meanwhile, clueless as to what to do with vaping which is now going gang busters out there.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-66448563
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Same sort of woke waka which went nowhere under Hipkins and Ardern - dumb as dumb does.
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...pg?format=500w
Is Maori absorbing English and French words then? Of course it isn’t. So an existing English word gets transmogrified into a Maori one. Motor car becomes ‘motoka’. Maori behaves as a ‘dead language’ in that there are conventions and constraints that cannot be breached, while at the same tome behaving like a ‘living language’ by creating new bastardised words out of existing templates laid out by English - such as the above example. The ultimate example of this idiocy is ‘Hato Hone’ for Saint John. Will this ridiculous template be followed as regards other historical figures? Napoleon becomes ‘Hahomone’ perhaps? We’ll have Te Reo history books discussing Charlamagne (‘Hahahamene’), the Vikings (‘Te Hikine’), and the Huns (‘Te Hune’).
We will see how long the likes of St Johns and Plunket keep up their woke pretenses of using Maori when the new government starts to cut back their funding even while more and more donors stop giving money to them.
They are there to help and service those who need their help - instead they spend more effort incorporating woke policies into their operations to appease Labour under Ardern & Hipkins than doing their jobs.
You are actually describing the development of English too. It “bastardised” (as you put it) plenty of words from French, Latin etc. Languages may or may not adopt words from other languages or may choose to repurpose an existing word. So in English we drive a (French) car or vehicle instead of a (repurposed old English) coracle, boat or ship.
At the time some may have criticised those who started to use the vulgar “Saint John” instead of “Sanctus Johannes” . Hato Hone is equally as ridiculous as Saint John, in your parlance.
Don’t ever expect the leftist parasites to ever do anything except breed beneficiaries and losers by stealing ideas and wealth from the hard working and smart NZers.
Remember Labour‘s motto : ‘Study hard, work hard and save hard so we can take from you to give to those who don’t.’
The repeal of the Labour governments world leading Smokefree 2025 Action Plan announced by previous Health Minister Dr Ayesha Verrall in December 2021, is extraordinary & a massive step backwards.
The National Party campaigned on "better Health outcomes" & said they would "focus relentlessly on results" yet this would be a major loss for Public Health & a huge win for the tobacco industry !
The move to repeal, even more astounding considering Dr Shane Reti's previous stated support of the goals of the Smokefree 2025 Action Plan.
How on earth will our next government's new Minister of Health Shane Reti justify, rationalise repealing this legislation ??
Apart from the numbers of Kiwi's dying each week from entirely preventable smoking related causes, the cost in lost productivity & to the Public Health system is in the $billions.
Of course the govt gains back $billions in excise tax from the sale of tobacco.
https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/article/u...et-back-health
They want the tax revenue to fund their tax cuts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSDxETyLiBk
Panda you continue to make stuff up. Nowhere in the 2 coalition agreements does it say funding of cycleways will be "removed". It says the costs will be reduced which is way overdue as costs had ballooned out of all proportions under Labour. This simply means that contractors have been put on notice not to rip us taxpayers off.
FYI, Tesla's coming into NZ are made in Shanghai, which is not in America.
Agree. This is one policy I don't understand. Read the 2 coalition agreements but they don't shed much light on this issue. Is it possible that they are doing this to allow dairies to continue selling tobacco, many of which would not survive without those sales ? I just can't quite figure out the reasoning behind this but seems to have been pushed by ACT
Let’s hope the education policies are fully funded so that young people can make informed choices. Provided business and tax policies provide the skilled jobs for them so that they remain in NZ. Then the extra tax from cigarette sales may help fund the required health services for those that chose to become smokers. Provided the tax raised is not diverted to pay for tax cuts for others, so that they can invest even more in residential properties….
Seymour pretty much answers the tobacco question here https://youtu.be/HueLAXBxzWc?si=V-09prMQfJ0G46wI
Year 10 school kids & adolescents often don't make 'good choices'.
The numbers of school age kids taking up smoking has been trending downwards & research shows if young people don't start smoking before the age of 25 yrs, they are unlikely to ever start.
Repealing the Smokefree 2025 Action Plan will be welcomed by the tobacco companies whose business model relies on getting young new customers addicted to replace the more than 5,000 per year, 13 per day who are dying in NZ from smoking related causes.
It's beyond belief, an outrage this coalition govt could repeal this legislation in the year 2023/24!
I'm hoping the reasoning to repeal it is to replace it with something better, much like the RMA repeals. Kids are often taking up smoking far earlier than year 10 and always have done. Labour's complete ignoring of the vaping issue had left a truck sized loophole.
Let's hope common sense prevails.
Absolutely an outrage Labour has done bugger all to stop kids from vaping.
Australia acted decisively while Labour under Ardern & Hipkins happily close both eyes to the problem.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-z...nce-hears.html
Te WTF Ora, anyone?