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23/11 13:42 NZT
15 12 15 15 15 8,207 $1,231
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Oh, there are still buyers and sellers then!
Last VWAP Buy Sell High Low First Volume Value
15 ¢
(NZD)
23/11 13:42 NZT
15 12 15 15 15 8,207 $1,231
Minimoke
A word to the wise, Feely has his place in our society and it is good to know there are people like him looking out for us but in my observation, people like him are salaried and have their targets to meet and need public support to keep office, nothing new or particularly wrong about that except when their targets are met and their persona are achieved by going after the easy fish, who on a scale of 1 to 10, are maybe about a 2.
This was very evident when they prosecuted Brian Clegg of Clegg and Co, in terms of wrong doing, he was on a scale of about 2, maybe 3, his company was very small, he was trying to balance his covenents between the finance company and capital notes ratios, when a capital notes investor needed an urgent early withdrawal to assist his situation, the covenent was breached (although not greatly) and the trustee pulled the plug, Brian Clegg was then prosecuted albiet they did deals behind the scenes of course to get him to plead guilty! Is this really equitable justice or is it just moving the cards around!
I am sure you and I will know quite a number of disgraced finance company directors and others who are still at large, many of them are still lenders under some newly invented vehicle, some of the most nortorious are part of property lending syndicates, some are asking for a 10% fee up front and charging 17% interest rate.
I am currently reading the "Southern Octypus", this a a book about the inception and growth of our Australasian merchant shipping industry, it was a ruthless and calculating industry, nothing has changed in this country, its all about who has the most influential friends, the most money and the best lawyers, another good book on this subject is lawyers, guns and money by Ian Wishhart.
In my mind, Peter Huljich is the next easy target!
I agree. I think the evolution of the SFO along US District Attorney lines is a very unfortunate development. In certain cases this office is an elected position and becomes mired in the political process. I think Feeley has abandoned the NZ character (measured, fair) in favour of some Hollywood "image".Quote:
Originally Posted by invessi
Look at the web site, the key performance indicators emblazoned front and centre:
http://www.sfo.govt.nz/
I wonder if Adam gets confused from his role at Eden Park Redevelopment and believes the SFO is managing some kind of sporting event.
Given the catastrophic collapse of the mezzanine finance sector (how many company failures is it now? how many billion$?) you would have to say the Commerce Commission and the Securities Commission need to be investigated for gross negligence.
If this was expressed in civil engineering terms - we lose all major structures built by Fletcher, Mainzeal and a host of others due to civil works failure; do you think there would be an investigation into the enforcement of the building code (or even a bit of a look at the code itself)? Not in New Zealand - we would put anyone else with buildings that did not fail under the microscope and pursue them with US DA style "prosecution".
I just hope the civil works at Eden Park are up to the mark.
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We are pleased to announce that NZF is in the final stages of negotiation with a new business partner which was a strategy announced late last year. Since then we have looked at a number of options and narrowed these to one party which we believe offers the most effective solution for NZF.
We are currently involved in the final stages of the due diligence process and as a consequence we must suspend all new originations from NZF HomeLoans until these negotiations and the necessary due diligence is complete.
This means that we will not be writing any new business for the next few weeks, while this process is being undertaken. All existing loans will continue to be serviced in the usual manner, and for those loans where full solicitor documentation has been completed but have yet to settle, these commitments will be honored.
We will keep you informed once origination can recommence.
This is a very exciting step for NZF, and one that will enable us to grow the business to a scale that under existing structures would not have been possible.
As always, if you have any questions, please give us a ring – otherwise, stand by for further news as it comes to hand.
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Awww, come on, don't be harsh.
We're all mates inside-ere.
:-)
Clearly NZF is being "invested in" or "taken over". (Why else would you suspend writing new loans during a due diligence).
Any ideas who the new partner is?
As an exercise - I compared the latest numbers from Dorchester (DPC) to NZF. NZF is in infinitely better shape and yet in normalised share price terms - NZF is a bargain. NZF is also multiple brands - Mike Pero mortgages is such a dominant brand and NZF owns 50% - yet there is not much market consciousness about the significance of MPM.
A new equity partner and a restructure would be a great development.
Yes, they are a bargain, I think "invested in" is the likely scenario, looks like it might be a new line of bank funding for home loans and the finance company arm, once they get the liquidity ratios right for the finance company, expect to see a investment grade S&P rating! And yes, MPM has been underrated by the market, they are profitable and a great distribution chain, distribution is key!!
Hi Guys,
I have been the NZF010s for some time.
Your comments above are not specific about NZF v NZF010.
Do you see this as positive for both the shares and bonds, or are there negatives for the bonds? I can't see how, but you seem more up with the play on these than I am.
Thanks,
Alan.
It will be positive for both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan3285
NZF shares are under pressure because of the percieved lack of capital adequacy. The basic businesses are under pressure - but are intact and recovering. (This is a near miraculous track record given what has happened to other businesses in the sector).
NZF010 are under pressure because people are fearful they will convert to shares because of the point above. These were selling in volume at 75cents per dollar face - insane (low of 50cents or so). The margin has narrowed, recently. I would love mine to convert to shares at 14.5cents per share - the noteholders would end up controlling the company. However, for this reason, I do not believe that they will convert to shares.
I'm wondering if its actually a takeover. I can't figure out why you would suspend new loans if you are the one doing due diligence. It makes sense if your the one subject to due diligence. I'd have thought that a new investor would be encouraged by a growing loan book. And why would you make this statement to people on your email list and not to the market at large - unless you just want to spin a positive yarn to depositors.
Perhaps the share price is depressed because they aren't making a profit. Perhaps its because one of their Directors is up on charges. Perhaps its because their Kiwi saver fund is showing negative returns when pretty much every on else is positive: (their diversified plan is down 5.28% when the average is up 6.36%) Perhaps punters see highs of $1.60 and the are now trending consistently down to $0.14 and wondering if the bottom has indeed been reached - especially now there is no Govt Guarantee golden parachute. Perhaps its because the property market is looking pretty rocky at the moment - reduced lending on falling values)
Minimoke Prospectous would be Invalid in my opinion If it did not detail possible changes in ownership.
Trust Mini to make sure every silver lining has its cloud ...
BTW the final year loss is due to a write down in intangibles - MPM is not making as much money as it used to. Operations is profitable.
Huljich and HWM are probably part of the solution rather than part of the problem.
The punters don't seem keen to sell any - the liquidity over the past year has been minimal. There does not seem to be any evidence for a rush to the door.
The government guarantee never applied to the ordinary shares.
Apologies for that - I guess I tend to see the cloud when thats self obvious. Distinguishing diminishing storm clouds from a smoke screen is often the challenge.
?? Finance Div -= $1.7m loss, Home Loans 1.7m profit, Finance $0.18 profit, Consumer finance $0.16m loss, management 1.1m loss. Operations actually made a $818,000 interim loss compared with a $2m profit for the previous period.Quote:
BTW the final year loss is due to a write down in intangibles - MPM is not making as much money as it used to. Operations is profitable.
There have never been too many punters wanting to buy either. Its a good day if there are more than a couple of buy bids.Quote:
The punters don't seem keen to sell any - the liquidity over the past year has been minimal. There does not seem to be any evidence for a rush to the door.
Thats a given. But during the guarantee depositors could support the share price knowing they would get their cash back. We only need to look at SCF to see how a company was artificially propped up. All credit to NZF - at least they are standing on their own two feet.Quote:
The government guarantee never applied to the ordinary shares.