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    And on that note ANZ today ann. raising 3B in a placement

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwitrev View Post
    And on that note ANZ today ann. raising 3B in a placement
    But we only get to line up for a share of 500m

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTM 3442 View Post
    But we only get to line up for a share of 500m
    When you say we are you talking about bond holders as well as SH? I might have missed something in the ann. but the only reference I noticed was "eligible" SH. In any event limited to $15k and not sure if NZ holders in the mix.

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    Australian and NZ shareholders qualify. Not bond holders. But as the current SP is below the SPP price is doesn't look as if the SPP will be rushed. Unless things change, of course.

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    Interesting article

    Things may have changed?

    Mind you punters still like them - the 7.2% ANZ jobs are yielding 4% odd if you buy them today


    http://www.interest.co.nz/personal-f...ies-issue-same
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Interesting article

    Things may have changed?

    Mind you punters still like them - the 7.2% ANZ jobs are yielding 4% odd if you buy them today


    http://www.interest.co.nz/personal-f...ies-issue-same
    This is absolutely crazy. Do people not realise that as a Tier 2 capital note these in tandem with shares are first cab off the rank when it comes to the Reserve Bank's open bank resolution ?
    Are people unaware that the ANZ bank has had the sharpest fall in its ordinary SP of any of the major Aussie banks and that they have MASSIVE exposure to the mining and dairy sectors with many of their customers unable to pay their bills ?

    I thought these things were stupid at the issue price...at 4% that is a completely ludicrous situation IMO most especially in light of what is a pretty serious correction in banking shares globally. Have grannies and orphans really had the risk explained to them properly ????? or is this the next Credit Sails situation where people sue the bank for misrepresenting the risks involved ?
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    It would appear that you have fallen into the trap of assuming that the SP somehow is a valid indicator of a company's worth and viability and then further compounded this by making a grandiose statement "that they have MASSIVE exposure to the mining and dairy sectors with many of their customers unable to pay their bills ?".. what's the question mark for? Not quite sure of the facts so covering your nether regions? "MASSIVE" implies a dangerously large amount...where are you getting that information from? Or is it a hypothetical adjective based on your assumption that (A) mining sector has been suffering generally so therefore a majority of this sector are at the bankruptcy level...and /or (B) that the ANZ is more affected by this than Westpac or ASB etc. AND that if this is the case that they have somehow managed to hide this from everybody...except you of course. LOL A lot of stocks and shares have had their SP drop...this happens all the time and is normal. Why is it normal? Because people of similar ilk jump on and off based on emotion and the latest market sentiment. Seen it all before and no doubt will see it all again. If holders of these bonds knew anything they would be selling...appears not...so falls upon you to warn us all. Thanks. If you could back up your statement with some cold hard evidence would certainly be interested but hyperbole and panic doesn't convince me.
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    This is absolutely crazy. Do people not realise that as a Tier 2 capital note these in tandem with shares are first cab off the rank when it comes to the Reserve Bank's open bank resolution ?
    Are people unaware that the ANZ bank has had the sharpest fall in its ordinary SP of any of the major Aussie banks and that they have MASSIVE exposure to the mining and dairy sectors with many of their customers unable to pay their bills ?

    I thought these things were stupid at the issue price...at 4% that is a completely ludicrous situation IMO most especially in light of what is a pretty serious correction in banking shares globally. Have grannies and orphans really had the risk explained to them properly ????? or is this the next Credit Sails situation where people sue the bank for misrepresenting the risks involved ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIRMANBOY View Post
    It would appear that you have fallen into the trap of assuming that the SP somehow is a valid indicator of a company's worth and viability and then further compounded this by making a grandiose statement "that they have MASSIVE exposure to the mining and dairy sectors with many of their customers unable to pay their bills ?".. what's the question mark for? Not quite sure of the facts so covering your nether regions? "MASSIVE" implies a dangerously large amount...where are you getting that information from? Or is it a hypothetical adjective based on your assumption that (A) mining sector has been suffering generally so therefore a majority of this sector are at the bankruptcy level...and /or (B) that the ANZ is more affected by this than Westpac or ASB etc. AND that if this is the case that they have somehow managed to hide this from everybody...except you of course. LOL A lot of stocks and shares have had their SP drop...this happens all the time and is normal. Why is it normal? Because people of similar ilk jump on and off based on emotion and the latest market sentiment. Seen it all before and no doubt will see it all again. If holders of these bonds knew anything they would be selling...appears not...so falls upon you to warn us all. Thanks. If you could back up your statement with some cold hard evidence would certainly be interested but hyperbole and panic doesn't convince me.
    Hi Birman - woken up from your nap - good for cats to snooze through a warm lazy summer?

    Suppose if ANZ have suspended your interest payments and you have become the proud owner of tens of thousands of cheap ANZ shares we ALL will have many other things on our mind.

    But why worry as Mark Knopfler said there should be sunshine after rain / these things have always been the same / so why worry now
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    Hah....I'm sure Roger would say that "Dire Straits" is a most appropriate choice. I'll go for Cream, (I like full fat dairy after all) and "the sunshine of your love"..snooze away.
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    Hi Birman - woken up from your nap - good for cats to snooze through a warm lazy summer?

    Suppose if ANZ have suspended your interest payments and you have become the proud owner of tens of thousands of cheap ANZ shares we ALL will have many other things on our mind.

    But why worry as Mark Knopfler said there should be sunshine after rain / these things have always been the same / so why worry now
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    I haven't got the time like Snoopy does but it seems quite obvious from ANZ's significantly more serious decline in SP relative to the other Australasian banks the market is concerned by questions about their asset quality. If people are silly enough to continue to hold these capital instruments when they could book a capital gain and get out then good luck to them.
    I was actually thinking Dire Straits...Money for Nothing and..well you know the rest of the title, probably too sexist in these politically correct days.
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