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    Quote Originally Posted by Lola View Post
    Forbar discretionaries and FNZ and management will probably “underwrite “ this.
    Price?
    1.55....just a guess
    This has that whiff of eau de intueri about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hectorplains View Post
    This has that whiff of eau de intueri about it.
    And perhaps a hint of eau de Feltex too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hectorplains View Post
    It appears he invested some of that in obtuse writing classes. What an impenetrable announcement... So many words to say, what Benaud would've given in 5, "He got his sums wrong." The worry is no mention of how this happened.
    Yep, makes you wonder if “he got his sums wrong” extends to their ‘ability to assess risk’

    Bit of a worry going forward
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    My god this has been a dodgy story for quite some time.Not looking forward to the future here.

    CBL update on RBNZ review, CBI, and rating downgrade 2 pages 547.9KB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    My god this has been a dodgy story for quite some time.Not looking forward to the future here.

    CBL update on RBNZ review, CBI, and rating downgrade 2 pages 547.9KB

    MMM... this report states that CBL took a strategic decision in Feb 2017 to move away from Elite.
    Then in April came the 20m shares sell down.

    Agree more to come as this unfolds.

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    Reading those announcements suggests they need heaps more capital ....seeing RBNZ and Ireland thought they needed more andvthats before the big loss was known.

    Maybe new shares less than $1.15 eh Lola
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    Regulators coming into play, solvency margin of 170% is now required ( not sure where the bar was beforehand )

    The big reserve strengthening "exercise" is there to adequately cover risks taken on, not Armageddon.
    You have to take on a lot more risk to kick revenues up 30+%

    1H17
    CBL Insurance
    Solvency Capital 160,440
    Solvency Margin 150.2%
    ASSET INSURE
    Solvency Capital 46,130
    Solvency Margin 351.9%
    CBLIE
    Solvency Capital 22598
    Solvency Margin 186.7%

    Definitely a bad time to have shares in CBL... It is not the end of the world kind of stuff though ( a lot of you are so dramatic ).

    The existing long-term risks that came with the SFS Acquisition and not their core business risks that are causing the headache here, SFS was underestimated and alas we are here.

    The precautionary measure of increased solvency margin is required to keep regulators happy with the higher levels of risk found to have been taken on unknowingly.
    Last edited by hardt; 07-02-2018 at 07:23 PM.

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    Forsyth reckon NZ$150-200m needed maybe a 1 for 3 on the cards?

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    could be quite a bit of dilution, and might be hard to sell to instos...

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    wasn't there meant to be a ann today ?

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