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    Common sense from Mohamed El-Erian. “I understand people who bet on moral hazard, on the Fed backstop. I don’t do it. I don’t think it is good way to invest. I’d rather invest on the basis of fundamentals.
    Why has the Fed continually conditioned markets to expect them to step in and repress any volatility? And isn’t it time to stop doing that because you end up not only undermining the system itself but you undermine the credibility of an institution that is critical to the well-being for this and future generations.
    We are increasingly in a lose/lose/lose situation for central banks.
    You lose if try to undo what you’ve been doing.
    You lose if you do more, and that’s what markets are pushing for. Markets are pushing for negative interest rates, for yield curve control, for even stronger forward guidance. Why? Markets are functioning fine.
    And you also lose if you don’t do anything because you have this massive disconnect.
    You focus on people. We have done a great job restoring the markets. Companies are laying off people. The Main Street program hasn’t got off the ground. Otherwise the social elements will start impinging on the economic elements.
    Unless we take that seriously this economy is going to be so unbalanced it is going to be difficult to produce high economic growth.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9GicM9Qtc8

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    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/citi-...163549682.html

    Citibank advises that wealthy clients are sitting on too much cash.

    Guess they are all still waiting for that massive crash which happened 3 months ago?

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    us markets on fire

    ECONOMYMay sees biggest jobs increase ever of 2.5 million as economy starts to recover from coronavirus


    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/05/jobs...-may-2020.html

    heres a chart of the NZX interesting it never really fell out of its bull market trend the bear market ended at point c on the chart and briefly only fell out of the bull trend but as defined by what everyone says you had to talk about it as a bear as that is how a 20% fall is characterised in the media to the masses.

    guess all those people who opened new accounts and the sharesis crowd busy buying frantically during the bottom or just above were better gauge of what to do than the gurus on sharetrader lol



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    the best gains on the NZX last mth have been the beaten up stocks just like in the US

    in order of best gains

    thl
    vgl
    sko
    kmd
    air
    oca

    some beaten up ones that havnt really bounced yet

    awf
    erd
    zel
    sek
    bgp
    tra
    gxh

    and the atm and fph ones that were the safe harbours during the worst of the bear are now selling off as people take there gains and recycle into other stocks

    anyway as ive been saying for quite a while its momo that matters not fundamentals , fundamentals mean jack at the moment





    Last edited by bull....; 06-06-2020 at 04:45 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bull.... View Post
    us markets on fire

    ECONOMYMay sees biggest jobs increase ever of 2.5 million as economy starts to recover from coronavirus


    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/05/jobs...-may-2020.html

    heres a chart of the NZX interesting it never really fell out of its bull market trend the bear market ended at point c on the chart and briefly only fell out of the bull trend but as defined by what everyone says you had to talk about it as a bear as that is how a 20% fall is characterised in the media to the masses.

    guess all those people who opened new accounts and the sharesis crowd busy buying frantically during the bottom or just above were better gauge of what to do than the gurus on sharetrader lol



    Attachment 11660

    the best gains on the NZX last mth have been the beaten up stocks just like in the US

    in order of best gains

    thl
    vgl
    sko
    kmd
    air
    oca

    some beaten up ones that havnt really bounced yet

    awf
    erd
    zel
    sek
    bgp
    tra
    gxh

    and the atm and fph ones that were the safe harbours during the worst of the bear are now selling off as people take there gains and recycle into other stocks

    anyway as ive been saying for quite a while its momo that matters not fundamentals , fundamentals mean jack at the moment





    Fundamentals always matter, institutions thought the price of those distressed companies you listed went well below intrinsic value and they got pumped as opportunistic buys / contrarian pickups by the big institutes

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    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dumb-...173646487.html

    Wonderful to see the doom & gloom merchants proven wrong, and in the most resounding way.

    The game is still not over of course but those who heed the warning ‘Don’t fight the Fed’ have done well.

    Congratulations are in order - Well Done to those who invested well in the last 2 months.
    Last edited by Balance; 06-06-2020 at 09:33 AM.

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    No comment
    “ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”

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    Market is ruthless eh Master winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dumb-...173646487.html

    Wonderful to see the doom & gloom merchants proven wrong, and in the most resounding way.

    The game is still not over of course but those who heed the warning ‘Don’t fight the Fed’ have done well.
    So which is it? Bears proven wrong or the game is not over Balance? I'm assuming you've locked in profits to be fully of such puffery.
    Instead of gloating I'd rather give a congratulations to those who bought/held through this period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dumb-...173646487.html

    Wonderful to see the doom & gloom merchants proven wrong, and in the most resounding way.

    The game is still not over of course but those who heed the warning ‘Don’t fight the Fed’ have done well.

    Congratulations are in order - Well Done to those who invested well in the last 2 months.
    I read somewhere it was the biggest one month jobs gain since 1939 and it shocked Wall St....
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/unemp...aign=dwtwitter

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