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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post

    Most bank depositors would be using it as a place to store money and make transactions they would be hardly classified as investors as blackcap classifies them. Gosh they may not even know their own banks credit rating.

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    I do not care. If you are putting your money with a 3rd party it is incumbent on you to do due diligence. No such thing as a free lunch. Having a govt guarantee is not equitable. Why only for banks? Why not on stocks? Or property? Or any other asset class? Anything outside your weekly wage $2,000 or so should not be guaranteed in my opinion.

    They are not using banks as a place to store money anyway. They are using banks to get a return on investment. If banks offered 0% return then anyone would be nuts putting their money in the bank. It would be safer in a fire proof deposit box in a vault or such like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    I do not care. If you are putting your money with a 3rd party it is incumbent on you to do due diligence. No such thing as a free lunch. Having a govt guarantee is not equitable. Why only for banks? Why not on stocks? Or property? Or any other asset class? Anything outside your weekly wage $2,000 or so should not be guaranteed in my opinion.

    They are not using banks as a place to store money anyway. They are using banks to get a return on investment. If banks offered 0% return then anyone would be nuts putting their money in the bank. It would be safer in a fire proof deposit box in a vault or such like.
    Incumbent on me to do Due diligence??? I suspect even Phd economists don't fully understand all the risks in our new financialised world. If you know what might cause the next crisis and when it will occur or what the future holds please tell me I would be most appreciative as I obviously lack your intellect and foresight.

    I agree a govt guarantee for the banks is not equitable and we don't have one, do we? I thought that is why they brought in the Open Bank Resolution to dispel the notion depositors have a taxpayer guarantee for their deposits. We don't even have depositors insurance as many countries do.


    A return on investment?? anyone with money in a savings account is in theory losing at a .25% interest rate that means with a 1.9% inflation rate they are losing 1.65% per annum and as we know anything worth saving for, such as a house or shares is rising at a rate much faster than the CPI. To anyone starting out without support the chance of upward mobility looks pretty bleak in the current world, no wonder people are getting angry.

    I digress. The issue was what I think of no guarantees for bank depositors I agree with blackcap I don't think a govt guarantee for banks is fair but wonder how depositors insurance works in other countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    Incumbent on me to do Due diligence??? I suspect even Phd economists don't fully understand all the risks in our new financialised world. If you know what might cause the next crisis and when it will occur or what the future holds please tell me I would be most appreciative as I obviously lack your intellect and foresight.

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    So you just buy stocks without doing any research or anything? Just like the name and park it there?

    Anyway you don't need to do any due diligence with banks. That is the whole reason for the transparency and reporting requirements. So everyone can have a good look and you would hope the experts would pick up if banks were transgressing too far or if things were getting a bit dodgy.

    Yes there is a return on investment. The one that just preserves your capital and ensures inflation does not erode it. What if banks gave you 0% on your deposits. Would you put money in the bank then? Off course not, it would be safer in a fire proof safe.
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    Most people are dumb. Most people don't have time or knowledge to be able to work out whether a bank is safe. The general public need to be looked after, as is the purpose of a government. Bank regulation is required.

    Finally, banks don't give a return on money, after tax they barely cover the inflation. Bank is not an investment. It's a company that offers services in exchange for using your money to invest for itself. A pretty good deal for all involved, really. But as banks are required, they have a monopolistic hilt, so again, another reason for regulation. Additionally, they can put economies at risk. One more reason to regulate. Of course over regulation reduces profits and increases customers costs or opportunity cost.

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    the banks are really starting there scare campaign about the proposed new capital requirements

    The Reserve Bank seems to hope the impact would be on bank shareholders, but acknowledges banks could reduce lending or push up prices.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112...r-with-farmers

    I dont believe for a minute the banks will stop lending ( kiwibank could lend more lol steal there market share) , there s/h will be up in arms about reduced divs , anyway guess its all part of there game to get the RB to back down and if they do we will have the status quo no protections for depositers in nz when the current global party comes to an end.

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    World debt at $250 trillion is 3x global GDP – an all-time record. And if we add unfunded liabilities and derivatives, total debts and liabilities amount to over $2 quadrillion which is 25x global GDP.

    This is not going to end well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBmurc View Post
    World debt at $250 trillion is 3x global GDP – an all-time record. And if we add unfunded liabilities and derivatives, total debts and liabilities amount to over $2 quadrillion which is 25x global GDP.

    This is not going to end well.
    Wow that is a lot of debt over-hanging the world. The housing market in Australia with all those high-priced houses is already crumbling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBmurc View Post
    World debt at $250 trillion is 3x global GDP – an all-time record. And if we add unfunded liabilities and derivatives, total debts and liabilities amount to over $2 quadrillion which is 25x global GDP. This is not going to end well.
    Be interested to know what's the source for this information? Can you post a link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Left field View Post
    Be interested to know what's the source for this information? Can you post a link?
    Try this :

    https://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    That webpage is so old the clock stopped in 2015 apparently....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aarrgghh View Post
    That webpage is so old the clock stopped in 2015 apparently....
    Haha - good catch!

    Try this one then :

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-faster-growth

    (US$244 trillion)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Left field View Post
    Be interested to know what's the source for this information? Can you post a link?
    https://talkmarkets.com/content/bond...=207760&page=2
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    sp500 just hitting new highs , see if we close at a new high
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    Quote Originally Posted by bull.... View Post
    sp500 just hitting new highs , see if we close at a new high
    Hope the speculators keep on speculating eh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Hope the speculators keep on speculating eh.
    be careful what you wish for .. shorters are speculators as well ;
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