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    NZIER Quarterly Business Opinion and response to pricing intentions sys Adrian needs to increase OCR by a minimum of 50 bps tomorrow

    But he want and he'll get further behind the curve and go down in history as te worst Governor we've had ..... even surpassing Wheller
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    NZIER Quarterly Business Opinion and response to pricing intentions sys Adrian needs to increase OCR by a minimum of 50 bps tomorrow

    But he want and he'll get further behind the curve and go down in history as te worst Governor we've had ..... even surpassing Wheller
    Well, he probably learned in management training that charts always should start at left bottom and move to the top right. Based on this training all looks good - no governor before him managed to create such a beautiful chart.

    But - to be fair ... it is really easy to mock anybody in this positon, and there are probably far more different and not alignable views around what the RBNZ should do in the current situation than there are readers of this thread.

    Given that his objective is not just keeping the rate of inflation in a predetermined window despite him having no control over imported inflation (which is the lions share of the current inflation) ... he has got as well the additional task to keep unemployment numbers low (which is mutually exclusive to objective A).

    I think the worst you can say about Orr (or anybody else in this position) ... they must be pretty stupid, otherwise they would not have accepted their job.

    Ouch - this is concerning, isn't it?
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    BP mentions 'imported inflation' ..... hmmm ....suppose that is what some want us all to believe ....and it says so in the media so must be true
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    BP mentions 'imported inflation' ..... hmmm ....suppose that is what some want us all to believe ....and it says so in the media so must be true
    Given that most of the stuff we consume is either produced overseas (like electronics, cars, fuel, 95%+ of our clothes) - or subject to world market prices (like milk, butter, vegetables, meat, ...) am I not sure why you put the "imported inflation" into the realm of faith (believe)?

    I would have thought that one can see that just by looking at the facts ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    BP mentions 'imported inflation' ..... hmmm ....suppose that is what some want us all to believe ....and it says so in the media so must be true
    Every country in the world has it so it must be global in nature.

    NZ must accept world prices for food so when it goes up it goes up locally (free market, sad for the poor , though).
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    RBNZ made a decision to introduce LSAP programme and extremely low interest rates which are massive contributing factors.

    There's a reason why the Chief Economist at RBNZ decided to resign at convenient time - right when the media started talking about inflation. The same guy who called economic easing as "business as usual".
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    Consumer prices rose 8.5% in March, slightly hotter than expected and the highest since 1981

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/12/cons...-expected.html


    markets were up after the announcement but looks like most people just used that as a selling opp as now they are in the red
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    BP mentions 'imported inflation' ..... hmmm ....suppose that is what some want us all to believe ....and it says so in the media so must be true
    So much of what we need is produced overseas - computers, cars, machinery etc. Sure NZ policies have encouraged investment in land and hence land price inflation, but much of that asset inflation is kept out of the CPI index.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjauck View Post
    So much of what we need is produced overseas - computers, cars, machinery etc. Sure NZ policies have encouraged investment in land and hence land price inflation, but much of that asset inflation is kept out of the CPI index.
    What is disappointing is the lack of imported labour,which means our agriculture sector can not achieve full production.
    https://sendy.tarawera.co.nz/l/J6oLV...qfxv892BwyT3mQSame goes for apples and Kiwi Fruit,

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    Quote Originally Posted by percy View Post
    What is disappointing is the lack of imported labour,which means our agriculture sector can not achieve full production.
    https://sendy.tarawera.co.nz/l/J6oLV...qfxv892BwyT3mQSame goes for apples and Kiwi Fruit,
    Maybe running the economy to hot for too long creates labour shortages.

    Re BPs comments I am sure plenty of the inflation is home grown as well as imported. RBNZ is not the worst money printer in the world but their balance sheet expanded pretty significantly in response to the pandemic.

    Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon, at least it appears to be as inflation has taken off after the biggest money printing binge in history.

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